Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
OK Optiples S3 --USE the SVGA Driver, NOT the S3. The S3 driver is superannuated and the SVGA driver now includes facilities for S3 You switch to the SVGA server by loading it using rpm of Kpackage (or a clean install) and setting it as your default server in /etc/X11/XF86Config, usually by running Xconfigurator and choosing S3 Trio 64 generic. I have two old Leo Aries III All-in-ones that use the S# chipset ending in 764 on the chip and they run fine under the SVGA server. Civileme Sean McMains wrote: Thanks to all for the suggestions! Here's the state of affairs: > I'm not an expert but I would suggest that you also make sure the settings > for your monitor are correct. It would not matter what your video card can > deal with if you're driving your monitor at the wrong refresh rates and may > actually be harmful for some monitors. > I had that problem once when I had the scan rate/sync set too high for > the monitor see if you can adjust that a bit. I'm pretty sure these are fine. My monitor generally refuses to display if the settings aren't correct. (I've tried to drive it at the wrong frequency with my Mac, and it just goes into power-saving mode to protect itself.) Also, if it were matter of the wrong sync, I'd rather expect to see problems all the time, not just when things are moving around on screen. I guess I could try another monitor to help narrow it down, though. > What brand is your video card? I have noticed hardware instability on some > under all op systems, often first apparent under X, but also presenting > problems under win95 (sometimes a line of rainbow dots, sometimes a line > of text underscored or mudded out, always a LOT of 95 crashes, which is why > it is harder to notice there, since it is difficult to tell if a crash is > Win95 or hardware) The worst offender seems to be the Cirrus Logic 9436 > and others of the 9xxx series. The video is that which is built-in to the Dell Optiplex GMT5133 hardware. Xconfigurator identifies it as an Trio 32/Trio 64 and wants to use the S3 X Server for it. This brings up a good point: maybe I should try installing one of those foul Windows operating systems to see if it's similarly afflicted. > It's throughly posible that you have a card thats never been tested, are > you useing the SVGA server? (check 'ls -l /etc/X11/X') /etc/X11/X -> ../../usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3* Should I try switching to the SVGA server and see what happens? Anderrr...how would I go about doing that? Thanks again, all! Sean -- Civileme Say: "One who buys dual scan display soon gains Optometrist for best friend."
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
Thanks to all for the suggestions! Here's the state of affairs: > I'm not an expert but I would suggest that you also make sure the settings > for your monitor are correct. It would not matter what your video card can > deal with if you're driving your monitor at the wrong refresh rates and may > actually be harmful for some monitors. > I had that problem once when I had the scan rate/sync set too high for > the monitor see if you can adjust that a bit. I'm pretty sure these are fine. My monitor generally refuses to display if the settings aren't correct. (I've tried to drive it at the wrong frequency with my Mac, and it just goes into power-saving mode to protect itself.) Also, if it were matter of the wrong sync, I'd rather expect to see problems all the time, not just when things are moving around on screen. I guess I could try another monitor to help narrow it down, though. > What brand is your video card? I have noticed hardware instability on some > under all op systems, often first apparent under X, but also presenting > problems under win95 (sometimes a line of rainbow dots, sometimes a line > of text underscored or mudded out, always a LOT of 95 crashes, which is why > it is harder to notice there, since it is difficult to tell if a crash is > Win95 or hardware) The worst offender seems to be the Cirrus Logic 9436 > and others of the 9xxx series. The video is that which is built-in to the Dell Optiplex GMT5133 hardware. Xconfigurator identifies it as an Trio 32/Trio 64 and wants to use the S3 X Server for it. This brings up a good point: maybe I should try installing one of those foul Windows operating systems to see if it's similarly afflicted. > It's throughly posible that you have a card thats never been tested, are > you useing the SVGA server? (check 'ls -l /etc/X11/X') /etc/X11/X -> ../../usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3* Should I try switching to the SVGA server and see what happens? Anderrr...how would I go about doing that? Thanks again, all! Sean
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Sean McMains wrote: > > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution > > or try a lighter windowmanager.. > > Sorry about the ambiguity. It's more like bad TV reception. The icons are > briefly visible about an inch to the right of where they normally are, but > not for every scanline. So it looks a bit like ghosting, only more digital, > if you know what I mean. I tried a lower resolution to no avail. Besides, if > the card supports that resolution, shouldn't it work if the driver is > properly written? Or are we still in the process of working out bugs for the > various video cards? > > Like I said, I'm new to all of this, so be gentle if I'm being dopey. :) > > Sean > It's throughly posible that you have a card thats never been tested, are you useing the SVGA server? (check 'ls -l /etc/X11/X')
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
drek wrote: > > I'm seeing the same effect with the Mandrake 6 distro under both fvwm and kde, > and it occurs at all resolutions. > > Whenever I move a window, it develops ghost windows that are displaced about > one inch to the left, right, and top. They appear and disappear rapidly, > giving a flash effect. As soon as I let the window go, the effect goes away. > It doesn't happen nearly as often with animated GIFs. > > This doesn't occur with RH6, COL22, or SUSE 6, same hardware and resolutions. > > It doesn't seem to hurt anything, but it is weird looking. Haven't seen it > since the bad old days of DOS3.3. Haven't swapped the build of XFree for the > one in RH6 just to see if it's there. > > I guess this is one for the people who compile kernels. What compile time > option could cause this? > > > sliding that tool > > > bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the > > > animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I > > > > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution > > or try a lighter windowmanager.. I had that problem once when I had the scan rate/sync set too high for the monitor see if you can adjust that a bit.
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
What brand is your video card? I have noticed hardware instability on some under all op systems, often first apparent under X, but also presenting problems under win95 (sometimes a line of rainbow dots, sometimes a line of text underscored or mudded out, always a LOT of 95 crashes, which is why it is harder to notice there, since it is difficult to tell if a crash is Win95 or hardware) The worst offender seems to be the Cirrus Logic 9436 and others of the 9xxx series. VERY GOOD X servers are available free from www.XFree86.org, and most of them are already on your distribution CD. Sometimes timing loops in the modeline in /etc/XF86Config need to be tuned slightly, but more likely you can clean up the video by getting better hardware for a very modest price. I have made OLD CyrixGX and SiS on-board videos work like champions, but I have never found anything that will work for Paradise or Cirrus Logic Cards once they start to deteriorate. The Jaton cards are available lots of places for modest prices and use pedestrian Trident chipsets which produce good video under stock Xfree86 drivers. www.carlind.com is one such site, (No, I don't work for them.) and you can actually order on line from them with your file manager -- Yes, their shopping cart works fine with kfm. Civileme Sean McMains wrote: > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution > or try a lighter windowmanager.. Sorry about the ambiguity. It's more like bad TV reception. The icons are briefly visible about an inch to the right of where they normally are, but not for every scanline. So it looks a bit like ghosting, only more digital, if you know what I mean. I tried a lower resolution to no avail. Besides, if the card supports that resolution, shouldn't it work if the driver is properly written? Or are we still in the process of working out bugs for the various video cards? Like I said, I'm new to all of this, so be gentle if I'm being dopey. :) Sean -- Civileme Say: "One who buys dual scan display soon gains Optometrist for best friend."
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
I'm seeing the same effect with the Mandrake 6 distro under both fvwm and kde, and it occurs at all resolutions. Whenever I move a window, it develops ghost windows that are displaced about one inch to the left, right, and top. They appear and disappear rapidly, giving a flash effect. As soon as I let the window go, the effect goes away. It doesn't happen nearly as often with animated GIFs. This doesn't occur with RH6, COL22, or SUSE 6, same hardware and resolutions. It doesn't seem to hurt anything, but it is weird looking. Haven't seen it since the bad old days of DOS3.3. Haven't swapped the build of XFree for the one in RH6 just to see if it's there. I guess this is one for the people who compile kernels. What compile time option could cause this? > sliding that tool > > bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the > > animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I > > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution > or try a lighter windowmanager..
RE: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
I'm not an expert but I would suggest that you also make sure the settings for your monitor are correct. It would not matter what your video card can deal with if you're driving your monitor at the wrong refresh rates and may actually be harmful for some monitors. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean McMains > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 3:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X > > > > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the > resolution > > or try a lighter windowmanager.. > > Sorry about the ambiguity. It's more like bad TV reception. The icons are > briefly visible about an inch to the right of where they normally are, but > not for every scanline. So it looks a bit like ghosting, only > more digital, > if you know what I mean. I tried a lower resolution to no avail. > Besides, if > the card supports that resolution, shouldn't it work if the driver is > properly written? Or are we still in the process of working out > bugs for the > various video cards? > > Like I said, I'm new to all of this, so be gentle if I'm being dopey. :) > > Sean >
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
> I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more > like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution > or try a lighter windowmanager.. Sorry about the ambiguity. It's more like bad TV reception. The icons are briefly visible about an inch to the right of where they normally are, but not for every scanline. So it looks a bit like ghosting, only more digital, if you know what I mean. I tried a lower resolution to no avail. Besides, if the card supports that resolution, shouldn't it work if the driver is properly written? Or are we still in the process of working out bugs for the various video cards? Like I said, I'm new to all of this, so be gentle if I'm being dopey. :) Sean
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
lower your resolution Sean McMains wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm just starting with Linux and really like what I'm seeing so far. A few > questions, though: > > 1. I got the sound working ok, but it's really tinny, and the bass slider in > the mixer doesn't seem to make much difference. Does this just mean I've got > a cheesy sound card, or is it possible it's just misconfigured? I bought the > machine used, and I can't tell anything about the sound card's make or > model. > > 2. Xconfigure has done a decent job finding settings that will work, but > whenever anything on screen animates (minimizing windows, sliding that tool > bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the > animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I'm using the monitor for several > other machines, and it works fine. The video is the built-in video on the > Dell OptiPlex GMT5133 with 2MB of VRAM running at 1024x768 at 16 bits. How > do I stop the jitters? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Sean McMains Sean McMains wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm just starting with Linux and really like what I'm seeing so far. A few > questions, though: > > 1. I got the sound working ok, but it's really tinny, and the bass slider in > the mixer doesn't seem to make much difference. Does this just mean I've got > a cheesy sound card, or is it possible it's just misconfigured? I bought the > machine used, and I can't tell anything about the sound card's make or > model. > > 2. Xconfigure has done a decent job finding settings that will work, but > whenever anything on screen animates (minimizing windows, sliding that tool > bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the > animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I'm using the monitor for several > other machines, and it works fine. The video is the built-in video on the > Dell OptiPlex GMT5133 with 2MB of VRAM running at 1024x768 at 16 bits. How > do I stop the jitters? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Sean McMains
Re: [newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Sean McMains wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm just starting with Linux and really like what I'm seeing so far. A few > questions, though: > > 1. I got the sound working ok, but it's really tinny, and the bass slider in > the mixer doesn't seem to make much difference. Does this just mean I've got > a cheesy sound card, or is it possible it's just misconfigured? I bought the > machine used, and I can't tell anything about the sound card's make or > model. Yes, > 2. Xconfigure has done a decent job finding settings that will work, but > whenever anything on screen animates (minimizing windows, sliding that tool > bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the > animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I'm using the monitor for several > other machines, and it works fine. The video is the built-in video on the > Dell OptiPlex GMT5133 with 2MB of VRAM running at 1024x768 at 16 bits. How > do I stop the jitters? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Sean McMains > I'm not clear what you mean by jitters, is it slowing down or is it more like bad tv reception. Judgeing from the hardware i'd lower the resolution or try a lighter windowmanager..
[newbie]: Audio and Video Under X
Hi Folks, I'm just starting with Linux and really like what I'm seeing so far. A few questions, though: 1. I got the sound working ok, but it's really tinny, and the bass slider in the mixer doesn't seem to make much difference. Does this just mean I've got a cheesy sound card, or is it possible it's just misconfigured? I bought the machine used, and I can't tell anything about the sound card's make or model. 2. Xconfigure has done a decent job finding settings that will work, but whenever anything on screen animates (minimizing windows, sliding that tool bar thingy in and out) the screen goes kind of jittery. As soon as the animation finishes, the jitters stop too. I'm using the monitor for several other machines, and it works fine. The video is the built-in video on the Dell OptiPlex GMT5133 with 2MB of VRAM running at 1024x768 at 16 bits. How do I stop the jitters? Thanks in advance for any help! Sean McMains
