Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
John Richard Smith wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? John: Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings. -- cmg A truely crazy state of affairs. If this is the current state of affairs in regard to the patent law industry then it would seem the problem is more than an EU law making affair and some kind of international decision making forum needs to be got to work on it to straighten out the purpose of patenting at all. John Call for Kofi! Mine's a large espresso ;-) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? John: Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings. -- cmg A truely crazy state of affairs. If this is the current state of affairs in regard to the patent law industry then it would seem the problem is more than an EU law making affair and some kind of international decision making forum needs to be got to work on it to straighten out the purpose of patenting at all. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:41, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > > >>> whack > > > Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the > > arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the > > Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand > > in the works ? > > John: > Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to > a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the > normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old > grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and > swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board > on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a > single rope swings. > > -- cmg > Basically a patent is just a license to sue, unfortunately the bastards have > both the money AND the Lawyers. > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: >>> whack > Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the > arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the > Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand > in the works ? John: Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:55, ed tharp wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:33, John Richard Smith wrote: > snipped all sorts of content, but you won't miss it > > I'm concerned that at some stage we will encounter technobabble answers > > we don't know how to question and counter. It's not the MEP's one has to > > be concerned about, they know nothing , and are even more ignorant of > > these things than the average list member. It's after the MEP's start > > challenging the highly paid technical experts . These fellows will be > > paid by the industries and vested interest groups who seek this > > legislation . They are well paid full time patent/software types who > > know how to argue their case for themselves to an extent that will pull > > wool over legislators eyes, and I'm just aware that as they present > > their case they will have to be countered with just as strong counter > > arguements . > It does not matter, once the MEPs catch on that this is something a > simple person who is paying attention, but may not spell like an master > of Modern English Literature, or format documents like an attorney > (kinda like the average person driving) they will either begin to show > interest, or (more likely, imo) try to figure out how they can make > money on this too, and if they are only interested in how _they_ profit, > there might not be any point. other than to learn who those pols are and > not vote for them again. ***Thats how we got the digital millennium copy right act in this country*** > > > > > > Still at least the politicions in Europe will know that > > there are concerned people out there, voters, who need to be persuaded > > of change, so at least that much helps, but at the end of the day you > > need good technical based counter arguements to persuade the legislators > > to rewrite their law. *** But will they care? > or good legal based, or profit based. if they need tech answers, be > honest, and say "that is not _my_ area of expertise, but I can get > someone who is a true expert in that area who will answer your > questions, as well as can be". > > How could your MEP begin to know if he was being bullshitted anyway, he > does not know the 'right' answers if it is that technical anyway? *** Actualy They know when they are being bullshitted they just don't care** > > > > Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the > > arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the > > Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand > > in the works ? *** Yes it is true tho copyrights are a bigger problem** > I suggest you offer that 'just because the Americans do it' is a poor > reason for anything, and leave that at that. > > > > Also, The whole point about patenting code is that it prevents anyone > > else from creating their own version, whereas if I have understood this > > correctly, while someone may own copywrite of their piece of computer > > code , there is nothing to stop anyone else from writing their own > > independently produced version of that code. So by way of example , > > Robert Louis Stevenson may of written Treasure Island but there is > > nothing to prevent another Author from writing another Book called > > Treasure Island with a similar story , provided it is writen as a fresh > > novel and in his own words, and not just a carbon copy of Stevenson version. > not quite. > there is nothing to prevent someone else writing a book about buried > treasure, islands, and a peg leg ship capt. > so there should not be a patent on writing a bit of code to send out a > fax from a PS document just not everyone can call it 'hylafax'. but it > would be wrong to not allow any one else to have the right to use the > idea of a blinking text in a web page, while it is fine to prevent the > blinking text from being the text of 'RLS's Treasure Island' (Treasure > island may not be the best example as I believe it is in the public > domain, therefor not copyright protected any longer). > *** Under the old copyright law Mickey Mouse would be in the Public Domain However Disney Corp. Has lots of money them and Sony got the law changed** > > Can't hurt. > If anyone in the EU has a lug in their area, amybe copying a few links > from this thread and forwarding them around might be a nice idea too. > > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:33, John Richard Smith wrote: snipped all sorts of content, but you won't miss it > I'm concerned that at some stage we will encounter technobabble answers > we don't know how to question and counter. It's not the MEP's one has to > be concerned about, they know nothing , and are even more ignorant of > these things than the average list member. It's after the MEP's start > challenging the highly paid technical experts . These fellows will be > paid by the industries and vested interest groups who seek this > legislation . They are well paid full time patent/software types who > know how to argue their case for themselves to an extent that will pull > wool over legislators eyes, and I'm just aware that as they present > their case they will have to be countered with just as strong counter > arguements . It does not matter, once the MEPs catch on that this is something a simple person who is paying attention, but may not spell like an master of Modern English Literature, or format documents like an attorney (kinda like the average person driving) they will either begin to show interest, or (more likely, imo) try to figure out how they can make money on this too, and if they are only interested in how _they_ profit, there might not be any point. other than to learn who those pols are and not vote for them again. > Still at least the politicions in Europe will know that > there are concerned people out there, voters, who need to be persuaded > of change, so at least that much helps, but at the end of the day you > need good technical based counter arguements to persuade the legislators > to rewrite their law. or good legal based, or profit based. if they need tech answers, be honest, and say "that is not _my_ area of expertise, but I can get someone who is a true expert in that area who will answer your questions, as well as can be". How could your MEP begin to know if he was being bullshitted anyway, he does not know the 'right' answers if it is that technical anyway? > Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the > arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the > Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand > in the works ? I suggest you offer that 'just because the Americans do it' is a poor reason for anything, and leave that at that. > Also, The whole point about patenting code is that it prevents anyone > else from creating their own version, whereas if I have understood this > correctly, while someone may own copywrite of their piece of computer > code , there is nothing to stop anyone else from writing their own > independently produced version of that code. So by way of example , > Robert Louis Stevenson may of written Treasure Island but there is > nothing to prevent another Author from writing another Book called > Treasure Island with a similar story , provided it is writen as a fresh > novel and in his own words, and not just a carbon copy of Stevenson version. not quite. there is nothing to prevent someone else writing a book about buried treasure, islands, and a peg leg ship capt. so there should not be a patent on writing a bit of code to send out a fax from a PS document just not everyone can call it 'hylafax'. but it would be wrong to not allow any one else to have the right to use the idea of a blinking text in a web page, while it is fine to prevent the blinking text from being the text of 'RLS's Treasure Island' (Treasure island may not be the best example as I believe it is in the public domain, therefor not copyright protected any longer). Can't hurt. If anyone in the EU has a lug in their area, amybe copying a few links from this thread and forwarding them around might be a nice idea too. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 07:30, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:20:27 +0100 > Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > stereotypical unwashed geeks > > Hey, I just took a shower the other day... that was March 12. 1998 -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:26 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 4:45 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 > > > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: > > > > Hello Anne and others, > > > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: > > > > Patenting of Software Code]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only > > > > 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as > > > > listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short > > > > introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for > > > > this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly > > > > attributed to you). > > > > > > > > Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being > > > > contacted by their constituentsgo figure. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > =Dick Gevers= > > > > > > At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! > > > > > > Anne > > > -- > > > Registered Linux User No.293302 > > > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? > > > > I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately > > got 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most > > of them since. > > > > Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. > > > > Lee > > It doesn't matter too much whether they respond or not. If they > wake up from their snores and think 'Isn't this what that pesky > woman was on about' I might still have achieved something. > > Anne > -- > Registered Linux User No.293302 > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? > > > True.You may start a landslide. -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 4:45 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: > > > Hello Anne and others, > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: > > > Patenting of Software Code]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 > > > show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by > > > the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in > > > Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted > > > verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). > > > > > > Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being > > > contacted by their constituentsgo figure. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > =Dick Gevers= > > > > At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! > > > > Anne > > -- > > Registered Linux User No.293302 > > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? > > I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately got > 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most of them > since. > > Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. > > Lee It doesn't matter too much whether they respond or not. If they wake up from their snores and think 'Isn't this what that pesky woman was on about' I might still have achieved something. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: > > Hello Anne and others, > > > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: > > Patenting of Software Code]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 > > show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by > > the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch > > and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your > > letter in English (duly attributed to you). > > > > Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being > > contacted by their constituentsgo figure. > > > > Best regards, > > =Dick Gevers= > > > At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! > > Anne > -- > Registered Linux User No.293302 > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? > > > I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately got 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most of them since. Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. Lee -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: > Hello Anne and others, > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: > Patenting of Software Code]: > > > > > > > Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show > e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I > wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope > you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in > English (duly attributed to you). > > Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted > by their constituentsgo figure. > > Best regards, > =Dick Gevers= > At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: > Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= .> Mandrake visibility? See headers <. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/ftnGwC/zk+cxEdMRAqPSAKDZ4bzsUHisb8OBssHdlAVedxg/wQCg0RIW B8fPSrsbmwdP2+5BL9rUKZ0= =dhYR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:20:27 +0100 Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: stereotypical unwashed geeks Hey, I just took a shower the other day... Thank you for sharing that with us. Have you informed the European Parliament? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:53:37 -0400 Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > At long last. I gave that one away for free. I thought Stephen would take it, but I guess you beat him to it... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If a guru falls in the forest with no one to hear him, was he really a guru at all? -- Strange de Jim, "The Metasexuals" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 16:46, John Richard Smith wrote: > Margot wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > > > >> I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I > >> have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the > >> European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will > >> let you know what if any reply I get. > >> > >> John > >> > > > > > > Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK South > > East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU countries? > > > > Margot > > Yep, I've started the ball rolling , but quite honestly I'm going to > find it difficult to argue the technical aspects of the arguement. We > will need help in that regard. please note. > > John I do not believe it is the tech aspects your Government is the least bit concerned with, as long as the common man is not aware, then they are not aware, when the common spoken person speaks up, then they become more attuned to what is being said. especially in an area with so many paid experts of differing opinions/factoids. not every letter that gets counted is in perfect form. just my $.02USD worth -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Friday 03 October 2003 03:59 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > I'm speechless. At long last. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
Margot wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will let you know what if any reply I get. John Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK South East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU countries? Margot Yep, I've started the ball rolling , but quite honestly I'm going to find it difficult to argue the technical aspects of the arguement. We will need help in that regard. please note. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 8:06 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:05:42 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > I'll tackle them. > > Now *that* I would pay a *lot of money* to see! Wouldn't charge a penny Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 7:55 pm, Margot wrote: > > Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK > South East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU > countries? > > Margot > OK - I decided to go for all 7 of them This is what I have said: It is with mounting alarm that I have read of the proposals to implement Software Patents. I would ask you to consider the following: Software is written by individuals and groups of individuals. As authors they normally have and retain copyright (except, I presume, where they are working for a company who would then own the copyright). Existing laws are adequate to protect their copyright. Patent law was, I understand, intended to protect inventors, requiring that the object to be patented was an original idea. It is common knowledge that 'prior art' generally precludes such a patent being granted. It is difficult to see how writing computer code can be classed as an original idea. Logically, if software were to be patentable, then so could a book. It is also a consideration that patents are expensive, create a great deal of administrative work, and are granted slowly and for a lengthy time period, while the life cycle of software is short. This would stifle creative work. The passing of software patent legislation would naturally benefit big business and penalise the small and medium-size enterprise, as there is no possibility of his competing in a legal argument. The ability of any enterprise to patent a method of presentation, a method of training, or a 'look' of software is not in the interest of the consumer. Certain large businesses in the field of operating systems desire to outlaw reverse engineering of their software. However, without this practice it is impossible for third party software and hardware drivers to be written without the co-operation of the originators. Like many others, I have suffered from finding that drivers for my hardware was unavailable, since the manufacturer of the hardware did not wish to co-operate with writers of my chosen operating system. It would appear that the proposals for EU legislation would have grave implications for the General Public License. It is a matter of grave concern that individuals would be denied the right to decide the conditions under which their work is released. The GPL gives clear rights and responsibilities to users of the software concerned. The original author owns copyright, but this is essentially a model of co-operative working. If yoiu are unfamiliar with the GPL, may I refer you to http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html ? I ask your help in protecting our rights, as citizens of the European Union, to own our own work without hindrance, and to make our own decisions about the future of our work. Please protect us from the vested interests that seek to take away our rights. Anne Wilson I hope that Caroline will forgive the plagiarism in the fourth paragraph For others that intend writing, I would just suggest that it is a good idea to append your address, or at least postcode, so that it is clear that you are from their constituency. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:05:42 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I'll tackle them. Now *that* I would pay a *lot of money* to see! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Death is God's way of telling you not to be such a wise guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 7:55 pm, Margot wrote: > > Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK > South East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU > countries? > > Margot > Hmmm. Yorkshire and Humberside. I see there are 7 in our area. There's probably not much point in writing to the one dealing with 'Regional Policy, Transport and Tourism', but all the others have interests in either Human Rights, Citizens' Freedoms and Rights, Justice and Home Affairs, Consumer Policy, Legal Affairs and the Internal Market, Consumer Policy or Constitutional Affairs. Right - I'll tackle them. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
John Richard Smith wrote: I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will let you know what if any reply I get. John Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK South East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU countries? Margot Subject: Patenting of Software Code From: John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:09:18 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many people on the Internet are expressing concerns about the way that the European Commission is introducing new laws to assist in the Patenting of Software Code. It is being suggested by many very concerned people that allowing the patenting of Software code is like allowing an author to patent their own book, when of course an author owns the copy right to that book, but cannot patent something that is not a novel invention. If someone invents a novel device it can be patented, if someone creates a work of liturature they may own that piece of liturature, but one may not patent it. Software code is said to be a similar situation. So that allowing software code to be patented is akin to allowing the patenting of a language which would be absurd, would you not agree. What is the current situation? Is this concern being addressed ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will let you know what if any reply I get. John LATER == Maybe it's too much for me to understand but here at this address , http://www.jeanmonnetprogram.org/papers/96/9608ftns.html I found a summary of the situation. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Begin Message --- Many people on the Internet are expressing concerns about the way that the European Commission is introducing new laws to assist in the Patenting of Software Code. It is being suggested by many very concerned people that allowing the patenting of Software code is like allowing an author to patent their own book, when of course an author owns the copy right to that book, but cannot patent something that is not a novel invention. If someone invents a novel device it can be patented, if someone creates a work of liturature they may own that piece of liturature, but one may not patent it. Software code is said to be a similar situation. So that allowing software code to be patented is akin to allowing the patenting of a language which would be absurd, would you not agree. What is the current situation? Is this concern being addressed ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End Message --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will let you know what if any reply I get. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Begin Message --- Many people on the Internet are expressing concerns about the way that the European Commission is introducing new laws to assist in the Patenting of Software Code. It is being suggested by many very concerned people that allowing the patenting of Software code is like allowing an author to patent their own book, when of course an author owns the copy right to that book, but cannot patent something that is not a novel invention. If someone invents a novel device it can be patented, if someone creates a work of liturature they may own that piece of liturature, but one may not patent it. Software code is said to be a similar situation. So that allowing software code to be patented is akin to allowing the patenting of a language which would be absurd, would you not agree. What is the current situation? Is this concern being addressed ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End Message --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
