Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey)
I have almost the identical setup. I have NT, DOS and WARP 4 installed and then installed Mandrake 7.1. All 4 work fine. I do not use system commander but Powerquest's Boot Magic to switch between them. I tried TurboLinux 6 before Mandrake and Mandrake is by far the easiest install. I suspect it has to do with where you ask the install to put your lilo. Do not put it in the MBR (which I think is the default). Put it in your / partition and I think that will work. Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered (Newbie) Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey) > > - Original Message - > From: "Torrey Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey) > > > > My system is setup the same way, with Win98 and Win2000 on hda, and Linux > > on hdc. With Mandrake 7.0, I was using LILO to boot either Linux or > > "Windows" - the NT boot loader - from which I could select either version > > of Windows. I tried installing 7.1 both as an upgrade (once) and as a New > > Installation (three times). Prior to doing that, I had installed System > > Commander, and made sure I could boot into Windows with it. Then I > > disabled Sys Commander, and proceeded to install 7.1 - and that's when my > > wonderful adventures with GRUB first began. I still need to use a boot > > floppy to access Linux. I am thinking of trying another distribution, > > which hopefully will handle these matters more gracefully. > > > > Torrey >To me one of the Big differances between 7.1 and 7.0 is that neither Grub > nor Lilo is effected by the 1024 restriction and Neither uses a Boot > partition. >I still believe that if you removed rather than disabling SC, booted to > Linux and re-installed Lilo, Lilo would be able to write itself to the > proper sector of your hda and would therefor function properly. Or if you > did not wish to do that then add the Lilo info to SC and use SC as your main > bootloader. >Howerver you choose to proceed, either with Mandrake or with another > Distro good luck to you. Should you ever wish my imput I will be happy to > offer it. > >Charles :-) > >
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey)
My system is setup the same way, with Win98 and Win2000 on hda, and Linux on hdc. With Mandrake 7.0, I was using LILO to boot either Linux or "Windows" - the NT boot loader - from which I could select either version of Windows. I tried installing 7.1 both as an upgrade (once) and as a New Installation (three times). Prior to doing that, I had installed System Commander, and made sure I could boot into Windows with it. Then I disabled Sys Commander, and proceeded to install 7.1 - and that's when my wonderful adventures with GRUB first began. I still need to use a boot floppy to access Linux. I am thinking of trying another distribution, which hopefully will handle these matters more gracefully. Torrey At 09:47 PM 7/23/00 -0400, Charles wrote: >Torrey >My reference to installing Lilo on hdc was if you were using SC to boot >your OSes not if you were going to use Lilo to do so and even then you have >to manually add it to SC. >I also have a triple boot system. My main boot loader is Grub. It gives >me the boot options of linux, safe, windows, or floppy. If I choose to boot >Windows it gives me the Win 2000 bootloader where I can choose to boot >either Win2000 or Win98.I installed in this order 1)Win98 then 2)Win2000 on >one hd and then 3)7.1 on a second hd. >There will be those who say they use it all the time, but Please if you >are running Win2000 and definitly if you are using the Win2000 bootloader Do >Not use fdisk/MBR it will wipe the 2000 boot loader. But that puts us >between a rock and a hard place because you can not remove(uninstall) Grub >from within Linux as you can Lilo you have to use fdisk/Mbr. >I have a couple more questions if you don't mind. >1) When you were running 7.0 which were you using as your main bootloader SC >or Lilo? >2) Did you install 7.1 as an upgrade or as a New Installation? >2a) If you did as a New install did you remove Lilo prior to the >installation and verify that Win would still boot. Or if using SC disable it >and see if Win would boot. > >Even though you had disabled SC I still think that your miss-adventure was >caused by the fact that Grub needed to install in the drive space already >occupied by SC.
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
First of all, fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix the damage that the installer had done. I got an invalid media type on drive c:. The directories wouldn't list. Norton 2000 wouldn't fix it either. How do you figure it is user error, when GRUB wiped my mbr and it wasn't repairable. I tried all to get that drive back, but couldn't. Harry Tom Brinkman wrote: > > -- >bottom line in most of these install complaints I've see in this > thread is user error/misunderstanding (ie, 123, where 3 = not a > Linux or Mandrake (7 or 7.1) problem at all). > >In this case if he had successfully run (DOS) fdisk /mbr, his > system couln't possibly have booted GRUB, since the entire mbr > would have been overwritten, and Winblows would then boot, since > if it finds a blank mbr on boot, it writes one. Since he can still > 'see' his Windoze files from Linux, a Winsux re-install isn't > neccessary.. a proper fdisk /mbr from a clean dos prompt is. > >there's 3 levels of dos prompt in Winsux... DosMode, Dos by > mashing F8 on boot, and a real DOS 7.1 prompt obtained by > preventing any win files from loading during the initial boot up. > The latter is suitable for flashing your bios, or successfully > overwriting the master boot record, or running old DOS games that > W9x doesn't get along with anymore. > > The boot disk made during a Winblows install should produce a > clean DOS 7.1 prompt (W95 = DOS7.0). If that's not available > there's sites on the Net where a DOS (5.0 thru 6.22) boot disk > containing fdisk can be downloaded. > > -- > ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey)
Torrey My reference to installing Lilo on hdc was if you were using SC to boot your OSes not if you were going to use Lilo to do so and even then you have to manually add it to SC. I also have a triple boot system. My main boot loader is Grub. It gives me the boot options of linux, safe, windows, or floppy. If I choose to boot Windows it gives me the Win 2000 bootloader where I can choose to boot either Win2000 or Win98.I installed in this order 1)Win98 then 2)Win2000 on one hd and then 3)7.1 on a second hd. There will be those who say they use it all the time, but Please if you are running Win2000 and definitly if you are using the Win2000 bootloader Do Not use fdisk/MBR it will wipe the 2000 boot loader. But that puts us between a rock and a hard place because you can not remove(uninstall) Grub from within Linux as you can Lilo you have to use fdisk/Mbr. I have a couple more questions if you don't mind. 1) When you were running 7.0 which were you using as your main bootloader SC or Lilo? 2) Did you install 7.1 as an upgrade or as a New Installation? 2a) If you did as a New install did you remove Lilo prior to the installation and verify that Win would still boot. Or if using SC disable it and see if Win would boot. Even though you had disabled SC I still think that your miss-adventure was caused by the fact that Grub needed to install in the drive space already occupied by SC. Charles - Original Message - From: "Torrey Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey) > At 08:40 AM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > A couple of question on your problem. > >Did you run SCIN and remove Sys Command before you installed 7.1? > >If not did you use the Sys Command Add OS Wizard when you installed 7.1? > > > >Sys Command and Grub are basicly the same type of boot program and will Not > >happily co-exist, and LILO if used with Sys Command needs to be installed on > >hdc Not hda. > > > >I have in the past used SC Deluxe but removed it from my system prior to > >installing either 7.0 or 7.1 and I will be glad to help if I can. > > Its helpful to know that System Commander is probably not compatible with > GRUB. I don't have good results with the OS Wizard, so I don't tend to use > it. SC was *disabled* - not removed - before installing Mandrake > 7.1. According to the SC docs, it is possible to use with LILO on hda, and > this worked OK with Mandrake 7.0. Neither LILO nor SC could boot Linux > with LILO on hdc - still needs to have some start-up files on the first > hard disk, it seems. I also have Windows 2000 Pro, in its own partition, > so this is really a triple-boot system, and that adds some complexities of > its own. I am using SC 2000, with the latest patches. > > Torrey > >
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA (Torrey)
At 08:40 AM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: > A couple of question on your problem. >Did you run SCIN and remove Sys Command before you installed 7.1? >If not did you use the Sys Command Add OS Wizard when you installed 7.1? > >Sys Command and Grub are basicly the same type of boot program and will Not >happily co-exist, and LILO if used with Sys Command needs to be installed on >hdc Not hda. > >I have in the past used SC Deluxe but removed it from my system prior to >installing either 7.0 or 7.1 and I will be glad to help if I can. Its helpful to know that System Commander is probably not compatible with GRUB. I don't have good results with the OS Wizard, so I don't tend to use it. SC was *disabled* - not removed - before installing Mandrake 7.1. According to the SC docs, it is possible to use with LILO on hda, and this worked OK with Mandrake 7.0. Neither LILO nor SC could boot Linux with LILO on hdc - still needs to have some start-up files on the first hard disk, it seems. I also have Windows 2000 Pro, in its own partition, so this is really a triple-boot system, and that adds some complexities of its own. I am using SC 2000, with the latest patches. Torrey
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
Harry Can you access Windows with a boot disk? If so you will need to re-install to repair your MBR unless one of your utilitiy programs can do it otherwise I am afraid that you will need to do a New Install of Windows. I don't know why you got the syntac error with Lilo but when you installed Grub it did not properly repalce your old Lilo or it's boot contents. When Lilo tried to operate at your re-boot it could not and though fdisk/MBR removed it , it also removed your Win MBR. So that you were left only with Grub, and 7.1 as the only bootable OS. I know you said that fdisk would not do anything now but have you tried fdisk/MBR again. Just as a matter of info you can remove Lilo from within Linux, you Can Not do so with Grub. The only way to remove Grub is fdisk/MBR. - Original Message - From: "Harry Flaxman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mandrake Newbie List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA > Well, here's another problem I ran into upgrading to 7.1. I tried > specifying LILO when DrakConf asked me which bootloader to use. The > lilo configuration returned a syntax error. I went ahead and chose > GRUB. when I booted to my first hard driveLILO stopped after the I, > so I used my handy dandy dos boot disk to do a fdisk /mbr. C: drive > returned an error, and I couldn't get a directory listing on it. Upon > rebooting...I got GRUB, and tried to choose windows to boot from, and I > get a loop...no winslows boot. GRUB booted me into linux, and upon > examining HDA1 there, all of the winslows data files are accessible. I > just can't get fdisk to do anything to the drive now, and can't boot > into winslows. There are a couple of utilities there that I use from > time to time. > > Has anyone run into a similar situation? > > Thanks. > > Harry > > -- > ___ > Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 > http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman > ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769 > >
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
Torrey Peacock wrote: I have had the exact same situation. I have two hard disks, with Windows on hda, and Linux on hdc. Normally, I install LILO to the MBR of hda. After installing Mandrake 7.1, I could boot into Linux through GRUB, but Windows was inaccessible. I could boot DOS with a floppy disk, but the C: drive was no longer readable from DOS. Using System Commander, I was able to restore the Windows boot record, but System Commander can't do anything with GRUB (it recognizes LILO just fine). Quite a mess. I can boot Windows normally again, but have to use a boot floppy for Linux. I tried resetting GRUB, and also using LILO, but it just trashes the boot record, and I have to restore with System Commander once again. Whatever GRUB does is apparently not so easy to undo, and there is no way I can find to uninstall it. I have *never* had these problems with any other distribution, including Mandrake 7.0 Seems rather irresponsible of Mandrake to use alpha software for its default boot loader, but that's what they did. Sure doesn't seem ready for prime time to me. Torrey At 06:48 PM 7/22/00 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote: >Well, here's another problem I ran into upgrading to 7.1. I tried >specifying LILO when DrakConf asked me which bootloader to use. The >lilo configuration returned a syntax error. I went ahead and chose >GRUB. when I booted to my first hard driveLILO stopped after the I, >so I used my handy dandy dos boot disk to do a fdisk /mbr. C: drive >returned an error, and I couldn't get a directory listing on it. Upon >rebooting...I got GRUB, and tried to choose windows to boot from, and I >get a loop...no winslows boot. GRUB booted me into linux, and upon >examining HDA1 there, all of the winslows data files are accessible. I >just can't get fdisk to do anything to the drive now, and can't boot >into winslows. There are a couple of utilities there that I use from >time to time. > >Has anyone run into a similar situation? I had the exact same problem, I was running Linux7.0/Win on a second box and decided to format and run only 7.1. After doing so my daughter missed windoze(her computer by the way)so I tried to reinstall win95 off of a restore disk, I had to use System Commander to help resize my partition but it still would not work. Everytime after the initial install of Win95 and it rebooted to update the new configuration I got a prompt from Grub> not allowing me to access drive c: Currently I run only 7.1 on this machine but installed a network card to access my Win98 partition on my box. If you find the fix to undo what Grub did to my MBR, I would be very interested. --ooO---OO---Ooo-- (_) Linux / Java Rule :>) Series60 begin:vcard n:Morse;Jeffrey x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note:Good things come to those who wait :>) x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Jeffrey Morse end:vcard
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
Thanks for the response Torrey. This is the third time I've wiped winslows in a year. I have all my critical stuff on cd/rw..so it won't be a big deal getting what I need back. I hate to use that os anyway...it's too slow and inflexible. Norton 2000 couldn't fix the GRUB problem. I just reformatted the whole 20 gigs. Let this be a warning to anyone upgrading a dual boot system to 7.1. Harry Torrey Peacock wrote: > > I have had the exact same situation. I have two hard disks, with Windows > on hda, and Linux on hdc. Normally, I install LILO to the MBR of > hda. After installing Mandrake 7.1, I could boot into Linux through GRUB, > but Windows was inaccessible. I could boot DOS with a floppy disk, but the > C: drive was no longer readable from DOS. Using System Commander, I was > able to restore the Windows boot record, but System Commander can't do > anything with GRUB (it recognizes LILO just fine). Quite a mess. I can > boot Windows normally again, but have to use a boot floppy for Linux. I > tried resetting GRUB, and also using LILO, but it just trashes the boot > record, and I have to restore with System Commander once again. Whatever > GRUB does is apparently not so easy to undo, and there is no way I can find > to uninstall it. I have *never* had these problems with any other > distribution, including Mandrake 7.0 Seems rather irresponsible of > Mandrake to use alpha software for its default boot loader, but that's what > they did. Sure doesn't seem ready for prime time to me. > > Torrey > > At 06:48 PM 7/22/00 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote: > >Well, here's another problem I ran into upgrading to 7.1. I tried > >specifying LILO when DrakConf asked me which bootloader to use. The > >lilo configuration returned a syntax error. I went ahead and chose > >GRUB. when I booted to my first hard driveLILO stopped after the I, > >so I used my handy dandy dos boot disk to do a fdisk /mbr. C: drive > >returned an error, and I couldn't get a directory listing on it. Upon > >rebooting...I got GRUB, and tried to choose windows to boot from, and I > >get a loop...no winslows boot. GRUB booted me into linux, and upon > >examining HDA1 there, all of the winslows data files are accessible. I > >just can't get fdisk to do anything to the drive now, and can't boot > >into winslows. There are a couple of utilities there that I use from > >time to time. > > > >Has anyone run into a similar situation? -- ___ Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769
Re: [newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
I have had the exact same situation. I have two hard disks, with Windows on hda, and Linux on hdc. Normally, I install LILO to the MBR of hda. After installing Mandrake 7.1, I could boot into Linux through GRUB, but Windows was inaccessible. I could boot DOS with a floppy disk, but the C: drive was no longer readable from DOS. Using System Commander, I was able to restore the Windows boot record, but System Commander can't do anything with GRUB (it recognizes LILO just fine). Quite a mess. I can boot Windows normally again, but have to use a boot floppy for Linux. I tried resetting GRUB, and also using LILO, but it just trashes the boot record, and I have to restore with System Commander once again. Whatever GRUB does is apparently not so easy to undo, and there is no way I can find to uninstall it. I have *never* had these problems with any other distribution, including Mandrake 7.0 Seems rather irresponsible of Mandrake to use alpha software for its default boot loader, but that's what they did. Sure doesn't seem ready for prime time to me. Torrey At 06:48 PM 7/22/00 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote: >Well, here's another problem I ran into upgrading to 7.1. I tried >specifying LILO when DrakConf asked me which bootloader to use. The >lilo configuration returned a syntax error. I went ahead and chose >GRUB. when I booted to my first hard driveLILO stopped after the I, >so I used my handy dandy dos boot disk to do a fdisk /mbr. C: drive >returned an error, and I couldn't get a directory listing on it. Upon >rebooting...I got GRUB, and tried to choose windows to boot from, and I >get a loop...no winslows boot. GRUB booted me into linux, and upon >examining HDA1 there, all of the winslows data files are accessible. I >just can't get fdisk to do anything to the drive now, and can't boot >into winslows. There are a couple of utilities there that I use from >time to time. > >Has anyone run into a similar situation?
[newbie] 7.1 Upgrade & MBR of HDA
Well, here's another problem I ran into upgrading to 7.1. I tried specifying LILO when DrakConf asked me which bootloader to use. The lilo configuration returned a syntax error. I went ahead and chose GRUB. when I booted to my first hard driveLILO stopped after the I, so I used my handy dandy dos boot disk to do a fdisk /mbr. C: drive returned an error, and I couldn't get a directory listing on it. Upon rebooting...I got GRUB, and tried to choose windows to boot from, and I get a loop...no winslows boot. GRUB booted me into linux, and upon examining HDA1 there, all of the winslows data files are accessible. I just can't get fdisk to do anything to the drive now, and can't boot into winslows. There are a couple of utilities there that I use from time to time. Has anyone run into a similar situation? Thanks. Harry -- ___ Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769
