Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 03 December 2004 11:18 am, Keith Powell wrote:
> I am very pleased that you say the Asus motherboard and the
> on-board Ethernet chipset both work well with Mandrake. I will
> use that, rather than my SMC card.
>
> Why I asked is because, if I remember correctly, there have
> been comments on the list in the past, that there are problems
> with some on-board Ethernet chipsets. I may have mis-remembered
> though. Fortunately those comments don't apply in this
> instance.

The onboard 3c940 uses the sk98lin driver. This driver did not 
work well with the 3c940 in _early_ inceptions, but it should be 
fine with Mandrake 10.0 (and newer) and 2.6.x kernels used. I 
don't know if current 2.4.x kernels support it.

I have an Asus A7V600 with the same onboard NIC. At the time, 
the sk98lin driver (9.x IIRC) was alpha quality and provided poor 
thruput. So I used a d-link NIC I already had. This is no longer 
a problem tho, the 3c940 is well supported.  In any event, should 
you choose to, the onboard nic can be easily disabled in bios.
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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Wojciech Podgórni]

Użytkownik Keith Powell napisał:
On Friday 03 December 2004 7:47 pm, Wojciech Podgórni wrote:
 

I am running my Mandrake 10.1 on Asus A7V600-X motherboard.
Wojciech Podgórni
   

Thank you for your reply, Wojciech.
The general answer is that I will have no problems with it, which is good to 
know.

Keith 
 

Well, the last time I have had significant troubles with my Asus 
motherboard was when I was using Mandrake 9.2. I had to download and 
compile the latest version of ALSA drivers - because Mandrake 9.2 was 
shipped with non-working, earlier version. It was a time for me when 
each kernel update was quite an adventure - I had to recompile ALSA 
driver (fortunately, everything else ALSA related more or less worked), 
Sagem driver (without it - no ADSL), Zoltrix (Conexant HSF from 
Linuxant.com) driver, and, of course, NVIDIA driver. But now I only have 
significant problems with Zoltrix driver (didn't load on my Mandrake 
10.1 for some reason when I tried about a month ago).
It shows that Mandrake has gone a *long* road when it comes to a 
hardware support.
That's why I have still hope for Linux getting better (despite recent 
USB-related problems at startup).

Wojciech Podgórni


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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Keith Powell]

On Friday 03 December 2004 7:47 pm, Wojciech PodgÃrni wrote:
>
> I am running my Mandrake 10.1 on Asus A7V600-X motherboard.
>
> Wojciech PodgÃrni

Thank you for your reply, Wojciech.

The general answer is that I will have no problems with it, which is good to 
know.

Keith 


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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Wojciech Podgórni]

Użytkownik Keith Powell napisał:
My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the 
specification of which looks good.

At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question, please.
Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this motherboard, 
or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I don't know what chip is 
used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web site.

Many thanks
Keith
 

I am running my Mandrake 10.1 on Asus A7V600-X motherboard.
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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Keith Powell]

Dan Gordon wrote:
On Friday 03 December 2004 11:19 am, Keith Powell wrote:
My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
specification of which looks good.
At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
please.
Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I
don't know what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web
site.

Here is how Mandrake 10.1 installed it on my M/B  Asus P4P800
Vendor: 3Com Corp.
Description: 3C940 10/100/1000 LAN
Media class: NETWORK_ETHERNET
Module name: sk98lin
Mac Address: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Bus: PCI
Location on the bus: 2
Thanks Dan.
Keith


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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Keith Powell]

Derek Jennings wrote:
On Friday 03 December 2004 16:19, Keith Powell wrote:
My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
specification of which looks good.
At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
please.
Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I don't know
what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web site.

So long as you have the 'harddrake' service enabled you should be able to just 
swap motherboards and Mandrake will auto detect the new hardware and 
configure itself accordingly. 
The only exception would be if you changed video cards at the same time when 
you would have to run XFdrake after it booted.

Thanks very much for the information, Derek. It will be very useful, so 
I have made a note of it.

Yes, I am changing the old video card as well.
Cheers
Keith

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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Dan Gordon]

On Friday 03 December 2004 11:19 am, Keith Powell wrote:
> My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
>
> I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
> specification of which looks good.
>
> At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
> please.
>
> Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
> motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I
> don't know what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web
> site.
>

Here is how Mandrake 10.1 installed it on my M/B  Asus P4P800

Vendor: 3Com Corp.
Description: 3C940 10/100/1000 LAN
Media class: NETWORK_ETHERNET
Module name: sk98lin
Mac Address: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Bus: PCI
Location on the bus: 2

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 03 December 2004 16:19, Keith Powell wrote:
> My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
>
> I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
> specification of which looks good.
>
> At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
> please.
>
> Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
> motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I don't know
> what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web site.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Keith

So long as you have the 'harddrake' service enabled you should be able to just 
swap motherboards and Mandrake will auto detect the new hardware and 
configure itself accordingly. 
The only exception would be if you changed video cards at the same time when 
you would have to run XFdrake after it booted.

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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Keith Powell]

On Friday 03 December 2004 11:19 am, Keith Powell wrote:
My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
specification of which looks good.
At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
please.
Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I
don't know what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web
site.
Thanks, Anne and Dan for your very prompt replies. 15 minutes between 
my sending the question and your replies. Not bad service, that :)

I am very pleased that you say the Asus motherboard and the on-board 
Ethernet chipset both work well with Mandrake. I will use that, rather 
than my SMC card.

Why I asked is because, if I remember correctly, there have been 
comments on the list in the past, that there are problems with some 
on-board Ethernet chipsets. I may have mis-remembered though. 
Fortunately those comments don't apply in this instance.

Thanks again for the replies.
Keith

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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Anne Wilson]

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On Friday 03 Dec 2004 16:19, Keith Powell wrote:
> My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
>
> I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
> specification of which looks good.
>
> At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
> please.
>
> Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
> motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I don't know
> what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web site.
>
Hi, Keith.  I like Asus motherboards - I've bought a few.  I have one box with 
an A7V8X-X which has on-board ethernet, and both 10.0 and 10.1 were found and 
configured easily.  The chipset it uses is Realtek.  OTOH, you can always 
disable it and put the SMC card in if you do have any real problems - which I 
don't expect - but then I'm fairly sure the SMC 10/100 cards use the Realtek 
chipset as well. :-)

Anne
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Re: [newbie] Asus motherboards

[Dan Gordon]

On Friday 03 December 2004 11:19 am, Keith Powell wrote:
> My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.
>
> I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the
> specification of which looks good.
>
> At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question,
> please.
>
> Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this
> motherboard, or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I
> don't know what chip is used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web
> site.
>
Yes it works fine under Mandrake,  this is the board i have and it has 
worked well for me.  The onboard 10/100 ethernet also works just fine 
under Mandrake no problems here with this board at all.  Mandrake 10 
and up should find the ethernet for you without problems.  The only 
thing I have changed was the onboard sound which works no problem but I 
wanted to put my live card in and disable the onboard and it also 
worked just fine.

Regards,
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[newbie] Asus motherboards

[Keith Powell]

My computer is badly showing its old age and it needs replacing.

I have been recommended to have an Asus P4P800-x motherboard, the 
specification of which looks good.

At the moment, I am using an SMC ethernet card, and have a question, please.

Does Mandrake "find" the on-board 10/100 ethernet chipset of this motherboard, 
or would I be better off still using my SMC card? I don't know what chip is 
used, as it doesn't tell on the Asus web site.

Many thanks

Keith


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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Sunday 14 December 2003 03:04 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > >>I just got an Asus A7V600.  It works nicely with 9.2,
> > >> though only three of my five speakers work with onboard
> > >> sound.  What the hell, my sound card should be arriving on
> > >> Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with that instead
> > >> ;-)
> > >>
> > >>Sir Robin
> > >
> > > That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin!   Consider
> > > your hand slapped 
> >
> > [rubs hand]
> > OK, it's up there.
>
> Seen it, thanks.  We'll get that list to a really usable size
> before long.
>
> Anne

I'm just gonna reiterate some previous cautions I've mentioned 
about TWiki (for which I'm probly still in the doghouse). 

   First of all the intention and effort is laudable. It will only 
continue as such if it's totally constantly maintained and 
changed. It has no advice (opinions) contained that are carved in 
stone. It should prominently mention that the suggestions 
contained in various parts, are just that suggestions, opinions, 
ie, 'worked for me' and 'YMMV'. Not giving the impression of real 
world real time solutions. One of the reasons MandrakeUser became 
ineffectual and in many parts wrong and dated. 

For hardware, well idiots like me know that's a changing deal, 
month to month. Case in point, I suspect Robin might'a got an 
AV7600 due to my referrences to it on the OT_her list. With 
latest 2.4.23 kernel's the board needs 'nolapic' passed to it to 
avoid kernel panics, specially under a load like sound or video 
encoding/decoding. A board difficiency or a need for the new 
kernel to mature more? To state either would be just an opinion. 
The board is great for 9.2 an early 10.0, but will it still be 
good for 10.0 final? Can prior kernel releases function with it? 
I've all but completely eliminated panics by moderating ram 
timings, increasing Vcore and IO voltages a touch, and using 
2.4.23 kernel versions cautiously. Could be try'n to change PCI 
slots I use for the one card in the system. Point is, variables, 
and the permutations are a real problem. Then add in users.

   Before I got an AV7600 I researched it's components. I didn't 
use twiki's or hardware sites. I use Google and mailing list 
archives. Particularly the current linux-kernel ml (lkml). The 
study requires searching by components. Searching by mobo model 
number is mostly useless. For example, the integrated NIC is very 
new to market, 3c940. It has a 3com/Asus Linux driver for it, 
that doesn't work with (compile against) newer kernels. NBD for 
me, I had an old D-link card sittin around, and the onboard 3c is 
easily disasabled in bios.

   Similar deal with the integrated sound. The (separate, not part 
of the VIA south bridge chipset) is an Analog Devices Inc. 
ADI-1980, AC97 codec compliant. Fortunately, the VIA driver in 
current kernels works for this chip. For me, and my speaker 
system. It's a 6-channel sound device, that as Robin seems to 
have found, doesn't support more than 2 chl. for his use. Works 
for me, not for him. Variables.

Nothin on the board is of any other particular interest, other 
than the KT600 chipset with 400Mhz cpu support. Since this isn't 
really new to the Linux kernel, VIA chipset support is almost a 
sure thing goin in. A read of lkml would probly be more 
discouraging for any other chipset vendor, specially nForce*. 
Well there are also SATA ports, but anybody who's a bit savy 
would know to avoid SATA anyhow, any OS.  Does an opinion like 
that reflect TWiki 'documentation'?  I think not but Google or 
lkml will lead you too it.

Now these motherboard, hardware and such are particulars, and 
involve opinion. The info doesn't belong in a TWiki, and probly 
won't be valid longer than next month.  Same deal with 
applications and configuration. How to do it in the X.1 version 
is completely wrong for X.11. Google and the lkml are by nature 
not as susceptible to such degeneration. Opinons are always 
inescapable.

   So IMO, TWiki should prominenty be displayed as "At the current 
time, this is a best guess from various contributors, mostly 
gathered from mailing lists. It is not supported or endorsed by 
anyone. Use at your own risk."
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[robin]

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 14 Dec 2003 2:31 pm, robin wrote:

Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote:

On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

Yep!!!

Not those but

Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!)

Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2!

For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages!

Even the sound sounds great! ;-))
I just got an Asus A7V600.  It works nicely with 9.2, though only
three of my five speakers work with onboard sound.  What the hell,
my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun
wrestling with that instead ;-)
Sir Robin


That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin!   Consider your hand 
slapped 
[rubs hand]
OK, it's up there.
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Anne Wilson]

On Sunday 14 Dec 2003 2:31 pm, robin wrote:
> Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
> >
> > Yep!!!
> >
> > Not those but
> >
> > Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!)
> >
> > Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2!
> >
> > For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages!
> >
> > Even the sound sounds great! ;-))
>
> I just got an Asus A7V600.  It works nicely with 9.2, though only
> three of my five speakers work with onboard sound.  What the hell,
> my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun
> wrestling with that instead ;-)
>
> Sir Robin

That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin!   Consider your hand 
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[robin]

Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote:
On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

Yep!!!

Not those but

Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!)

Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2!

For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages!

Even the sound sounds great! ;-))

I just got an Asus A7V600.  It works nicely with 9.2, though only three 
of my five speakers work with onboard sound.  What the hell, my sound 
card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with 
that instead ;-)

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

Yep!!!

Not those but

Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!)

Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2!

For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages!

Even the sound sounds great! ;-))

[]s Ricardo Castanho

> I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards:
>
> - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard)
>   
>
> - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP)
>   
>
> They are both "all-in-one" types of motherboards with integrated LAN,
> audio, graphics etc.
>
> Question:
>
> - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake?
> - Do they work 100% with Linux?
>
> Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as
> saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the
> motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website.
>
> -j

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 04:31, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 8:59 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 December 2003 07:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI
> > > > Express.
> > >
> > > You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along
> > > together 
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. 
> 
> Sorry, Tom.  Old British joke. ;-)
> 
> Anne

I see the truth of it.

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

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Sunday 07 December 2003 1:59 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

> Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the
> various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the
> old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using
> various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of
> course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x
> the thruput  til reality sets in.
>
>Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a
> gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while
> imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a
> detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's
> just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec.  Once that cat was out of the
> bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x.  An
> they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy
> Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production
> server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way
> as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd
> pleasers.
>
>I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately,
> but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz
> PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next
> corner tho  ;)But 
>
> Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be
> adequately supported in Linux.  As it stands, better HDD
> performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger
> bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully
> exploited yet.

This is actually fairly readable and understandable:

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.html?i=1830

If you want the specs they're here for download:

http://www.pcisig.com/specifications

You need to register to get the specs I think.

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 07:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI
> > Express.
>
> You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along
> together 
>
> Anne

Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the 
various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the 
old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using 
various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of 
course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x 
the thruput  til reality sets in.

   Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a 
gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while 
imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a 
detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's 
just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec.  Once that cat was out of the 
bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x.  An 
they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy 
Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production 
server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way 
as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd 
pleasers.

   I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately, 
but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz 
PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next 
corner tho  ;)But 

Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be 
adequately supported in Linux.  As it stands, better HDD 
performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger 
bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully 
exploited yet.  
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Anne Wilson]

> Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI
> Express. 

You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along together 

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 05:29 pm, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
> > So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has
> > ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only
> > ATA/100 IDE ports.  I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I
> > think the P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with
> > Linux with ATA/133 drive(s).
>
> What is SATA?

Serial Advanced Technology Attachment  (for IDE harddrives). 
It's theroretical thruput is 150mb/s compared to ATA/133's 
133mb/s.  In reality this synthetic marginal gain doesn't often 
happen, specially with Linux. People with SATA happily report 45 
to 50mb/s from 'hdparm -t'. Big deal. My ATA/133 drives get 47+.  
Real world average performance is less than half that. Many 
problems and high cpu load are reported with SATA/Linux. 

   Currently there's only good full kernel support for VIA and 
Intel controllers. Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI 
Express. Best definitive source for research into this is the 
lkml (linux-kernel mailing list) archives. Ignore (windo$e) 
hardware site reviews. Actually 'burst' numbers like hdparm -t 
are pretty much useless too.  Just a synthetic bench that has 
very little relevance to various real world IDE operations.

   IMO, better to stick with ATA/133 for now.
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 09:47, Tom Brinkman wrote:

> Neither would make for a multimedia machine, so the decision
> comes down to their suitability for office type apps, email and
> surfing for which they should be adequate. So AGP
> capabilities are sort'a moot. Integrated graphics should be
> adequate, but remember to pass a mem= append to the kernel,
> subtracting 8mb for video.

I will start with the integrated graphics, but plan to buy a decicated graphic 
card later. This is just to get started with. First of all I will just be 
foing Office work. Later I get bigger needs and wants.

> So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has
> ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only ATA/100
> IDE ports.  I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I think the
> P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with Linux with
> ATA/133 drive(s).

What is SATA?

>  You should'a mentioned if you have existing parts you wanna
> re-use or if the new system will be built from scratch.  Could
> have alot to do with which board you use.

I am planning on buying this machine:



- Intel Pentium 4, 2.66 GHz med 512 KB cache
 - ASUS P4BGL-MX/533 motherboard med i845GL chipset
 - 512 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (400 MHz)
 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.7, 120 GB, 7200 rpm, 683 Mbit/sec, 8.5 ms
 - Intel Extreme Graphics
 - 10/100 Mbit Fast Ethernet
- Lite-On Combo DVD/CD-RW

But as said: I am not sure about the motherboard. The most important thing for 
me is that it work 100%. 

If a Motherboard without integrated graphic, sound and lan can be bough at a 
similar price, I will find a solution for LAN, graphic, sound etc. Either by 
buying cheap parts of use some of the parts I have around. Sound and LAN is 
no problem.

I have theese motherboards to choose from:



-j

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 02:29 am, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
> I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two
> motherboards:
>
> - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard)
>  
> .htm>
>
> - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP)
>  
> m>
>
> They are both "all-in-one" types of motherboards with
> integrated LAN, audio, graphics etc.
>
> Question:
>
> - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running
> Mandrake? - Do they work 100% with Linux?
>
> Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not
> the same as saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in
> real life? I can't find the motherboard in the hardware
> database at the Mandrake website.
>
> -j

 Neither would make for a multimedia machine, so the decision 
comes down to their suitability for office type apps, email and 
surfing for which they should be adequate. So AGP 
capabilities are sort'a moot. Integrated graphics should be 
adequate, but remember to pass a mem= append to the kernel, 
subtracting 8mb for video.  Usually Asus recommend ram brands to 
use, if you can't find this info, Crucial/Micron is always a safe 
bet for Asus boards.

   So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has 
ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only ATA/100 
IDE ports.  I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I think the 
P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with Linux with 
ATA/133 drive(s).  My experience with vendor drivers is that 
you'll be better off using native Linux kernel drivers to 
maintain kernel compatibility.

 Now to qualify, I don't have experience with either of these 
(or any ITX) boards, and IMO, don't think Intel 8xx chipsets are 
mature yet, but better than SiS chipset boards for Linux use. I'd 
be lookin for a VIA chipset solution.  I wouldn't be concerned 
too much with Mdk's hardware database. It's woefully behind and 
unmaintained.  My bet is the graphics, lan and sound will have 
kernel support, altho you might need to update to newer kernels, 
even if Mandrake 9.2 is used. But I doubt it, Realtek items are 
well supported, and to a little lesser extent, so is the i8xx 
video (XFree drivers).

  You should'a mentioned if you have existing parts you wanna 
re-use or if the new system will be built from scratch.  Could 
have alot to do with which board you use.
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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Janus Sandsgaard]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:46, Dan LaBine wrote:

> Janus; I'm running many Asus boards without problems. The new (?) Asus
> P4S533-MX is 110% Ok for Mandrake 9.2. If it doesn't work for you, I'll buy
> it from you. 

Thank you. That's good news! Does anybody know about how well the Asus 
P4P800-VM works with Mandrake?

> One word of caution though. Break down and buy a Video Card!
> Most boards run like Doggy-Doo-Doo using on-board video controllers, so do
> yourself a favor and beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise acquire a good video
> card.

The PC will primary be for "Office"-applications, but I know that the build-in 
video controller is not top of anything. This is why im am considering  the 
Asus P4P800-VM which has AGP-port.

-j

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Dan LaBine]

Janus; I'm running many Asus boards without problems. The new (?) Asus P4S533-MX is 
110%
Ok for Mandrake 9.2. If it doesn't work for you, I'll buy it from you. One word of 
caution though.
Break down and buy a Video Card! Most boards run like Doggy-Doo-Doo using on-board 
video
controllers, so do yourself a favor and beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise acquire a 
good video card.

There. You should be all set now! Grin!

Lanman

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On 12/6/2003 at 3:29 AM Janus Sandsgaard wrote:

>I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards:
>
>- Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard)
>  
>
>- Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP)
>  
>
>They are both "all-in-one" types of motherboards with integrated LAN,
>audio,
>graphics etc.
>
>Question:
>
>- Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake?
>- Do they work 100% with Linux?
>
>Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as
>saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find
>the
>motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website.
>
>-j
>
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[newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

[Janus Sandsgaard]

I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards:

- Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard)
  

- Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP)
  

They are both "all-in-one" types of motherboards with integrated LAN, audio, 
graphics etc.

Question: 

- Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake?
- Do they work 100% with Linux?

Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as 
saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the 
motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website.

-j

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