Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
Abraham Pinzur escribió: > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. I've compared NS475 with Konqueror and i cannot find any difference... well, the pop-up window doesn't appear under Konqueror 8-? -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > > > Perhaps your Konqueror is flaky... > > Let me just ask then - how do I go about making sure I've got the latest > iteration of, say, Konqueror? Mandrake Update doesn't list any updates, but > does that mean anything? > > Real newbie question, here, I know... > LOL...ask a newbie like me a question, no matter how newbie the question is, and I'm usually left scratching my head. My version of Konqueror is 1.9.8, if thats any help... -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
> Perhaps your Konqueror is flaky... Let me just ask then - how do I go about making sure I've got the latest iteration of, say, Konqueror? Mandrake Update doesn't list any updates, but does that mean anything? Real newbie question, here, I know... - Av - -- Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman > Sent: Thursday, 07 December, 2000 05:47 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > > > > > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less > than adequate > > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. > > > Perhaps your Konqueror is flaky...I'm looking at them side by side in > Netscape and Konqueror, and they look identical; I'm pretty picky myself, > btw... > > > > > > - Av - > > > > -- > > Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav > > > > > > > > > > -- > > peace, > > Rog > > http://www.slammingrooves.com > Registered Linux user #190719 > >
Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
In other words, your definition of "typical HTML" is the non-standards compliant (according to the W3C) variety. Remember that Konqueror (along with other newer browsers like Mozilla/Netscape 6 and Opera) aims to support standards-based HTML. The browser wars saw both Netscape and M$ deliberately create non-standards compliant HTML engines for their browsers as a means of "innovation". It also meant that web designers had to make sure that their pages looked good in both browsers, since they were (and still are) slightly incompatible. This puts other browsers, which have a far smaller market share, at a disadvantage, since no-one checks whether their pages work in them. A great example of this is zdnet.com. Despite supporting Linux in many ways (they have a large Linux section and they own the Linux Hardware Database, among other things), their pages look horrible outside of Netscape 4.x and M$IE. It was only relatively recently that standards-based browsers have become prominent. It will take some time for most sites to comply. For this to happen we need compliant web authoring tools, in addition to compliant browsers. Currently many people use software like M$ FrontPage, which I doubt will become standards-compliant any time soon. In the meantime, several standards-compliant browsers have implemented compatibility modes that can parse malformed HTML. Konqueror does this, but I don't expect it to be good until KDE 2.1. On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:37, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. > > - Av - > > -- > Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. Perhaps your Konqueror is flaky...I'm looking at them side by side in Netscape and Konqueror, and they look identical; I'm pretty picky myself, btw... > > - Av - > > -- > Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav > > > > -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
*Cries* As a web developer I want to kill anyone else who produces a none standards compliant browser. Already we have to test multiple versions of Netscape, Mozilla, and IE on Mac, Windows, (and for Netscape and Mozilla in Linux) as well as testing in Lynx to try to check usability issues for those who can't see pictures, tables, etc (blind people for instance), and we're probably going to start testing in Opera too. We don't even do anything fancy like Javascript and there are still a crapload of issues to work through. I like Mozilla the best so far but even it still has some issues and the fact that the majority used browsers are Netscape and IE means we must check them too. In all about a dozen platforms between the two of them that we watch. Netscape I can forgive since Mozilla is their effort to be more compatible across multiple platforms but what is with IE! IE5 has been a total nightmare for us on all platforms and it acts differently on Win95, Win98, NT, and the Mac. We haven't even gotten to testing Win ME (what a dumb name.. almost as bad as WinCE) or Win2000. :P If Konqueror is making a shot at being a browser I sure as hell hope they work hard to be 100% standards compliant. For that matter why don't they, if they don't, use the Mozilla gecko rendering component? *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Adam Many wrote: > CNN.com looks fine to me, using Konqueror. I find Netscape (IE's not > really an option under Linux) less than adequate when it comes to speed > and privacy. > > Adam > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > > > > > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate > > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. > > > > - Av - > > > > -- > > Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav > > > > > >
Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
I spent ages almost a year ago trying to find a good browser for Linux. Netscape 4.5 was annoyingly unstable, but in the end I had to admit defeat. Netscape *was* the best browser for Linux then. Today, Linux has a whole range of browsers to choose from. Netscape 4.76 is now quite stable (your own milage may vary), and is a must-have whether you use it or not simply because it is a standard browser. Konqueror (www.konqueror.org), a core part of KDE2, is rock solid for most people (I on the other hand had to get an alpha version of KDE 2.1 to have any stablity). I have not had any success with running Netscape 6, but I quite like Mozilla M18 (www.mozilla.org), upon which Netscape 6 is based (well actually it's based on a CVS version of Mozilla that's a bit newer than M18, but let's not get into technicalities...). If you want something lean 'n mean, Galeon (galeon.sourceforge.net) can fit the bill. It uses the Mozilla M18 Gekko HTML rendering engine, but it doesn't have Mozilla's bloat. Opera 4 beta 3 (www.opera.com) for Linux is out, but it has a few irratating bugs (try right-clicking on a link) that spoil an otherwise good commercial product. While it's almost ready for prime time, I personally prefer beta 2 over beta 3. I'm not sure if Opera still have it available on their website. My suggestion to you is to try them all out. I personally have them all installed, as they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:17, Mike Riffle wrote: > After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering... > > What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there > seems to be quite a number available. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
CNN.com looks fine to me, using Konqueror. I find Netscape (IE's not really an option under Linux) less than adequate when it comes to speed and privacy. Adam On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Abraham Pinzur wrote: > > For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate > in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and > Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. > > - Av - > > -- > Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav > >
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
For those of you who are as picky as I am, Konqueror is less than adequate in rendering typical HTML. By typical, I mean stuff that works in IE and Netscape 4.7. Compare, for instance, http://www.cnn.com/. - Av - -- Abraham P. (Av) Pinzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav
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I like Konqueror more than Linux Opera. Konqueror is much faster at loading text, and slightly faster (when timed with my stopwatch) at loading complete web pages. Konqueror also has better cookie control. Adam On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Roger Sherman wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Kelly, Christopher wrote: > > > I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same > > for Linux! > > > > Opera 5 is free? Wow...almost makes me wish I still had a use for surfing > in Windont... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sven Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [newbie] Best Web Browser > > > > > > > > I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are > > free I don't think the stable versions are. > > > > Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't > > quite ready either. I don't know about the other browsers X11 on > > freshmeat. > > > > Mike Riffle writes: > > > After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering... > > > > > > What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there > > > seems to be quite a number available. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > peace, > > Rog > > http://www.slammingrooves.com > Registered Linux user #190719 > >
RE: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Kelly, Christopher wrote: > I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same > for Linux! > Opera 5 is free? Wow...almost makes me wish I still had a use for surfing in Windont... > -Original Message- > From: Sven Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [newbie] Best Web Browser > > > > I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are > free I don't think the stable versions are. > > Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't > quite ready either. I don't know about the other browsers X11 on > freshmeat. > > Mike Riffle writes: > > After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering... > > > > What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there > > seems to be quite a number available. > > > > > -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Wednesday 06 December 2000 02:44 pm, you wrote: > I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same > for Linux! > Opera for Windows is not free, not the stable release version anyhow. I believe they plan to charge for the Linux stable version also. -- Registered Linux User 181996 ICQ 27396393
Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Wednesday 06 December 2000 06:30 pm, you wrote: > On Wednesday 06 December 2000 02:44 pm, you wrote: > > I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the > > same for Linux! > > Opera for Windows is not free, not the stable release version anyhow. I > believe they plan to charge for the Linux stable version also. I stand corrected, version 5.0 is free for windows, but its the dreaded ad-supported spyware version. $39.95 if you don't want to see the ads or be spyed on by the ads.
Re: [newbie] Best Web Browser
On Wednesday 06 December 2000 01:44 pm, you wrote: > I have opera 5 for windows. Stable and free. I would only imagine the same > for Linux! > > -Original Message- > From: Sven Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [newbie] Best Web Browser > > > > I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are > free I don't think the stable versions are. > > Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't > quite ready either. I don't know about the other browsers X11 on > freshmeat. > > Mike Riffle writes: > > After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering... > > > > What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there > > seems to be quite a number available. I've been playing with Konqueror and Kmail and find them to be very adequate, even if they are'nt tied together. Or if they are, I haven't figured out how to do it. -- Dennis Myers registered Linux User #180842
[newbie] Best Web Browser
I know people who like Opera, but while I think the beta versions are free I don't think the stable versions are. Amaya is still a little unstable, and last I checked Mnemonic wasn't quite ready either. I don't know about the other browsers X11 on freshmeat. Mike Riffle writes: > After seeing the invectives hurled at Netscape 6.0, I'm wondering... > > What is a good browser for linux? I checked freshmeat.net, but there > seems to be quite a number available. >
