Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Thursday 04 Jul 2002 5:55 pm, you wrote: > On Thursday 04 July 2002 02:27 am, Anne Wilson did speak unto the huddled > > masses, saying: > > I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't > > an issue. Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell? > > mozilla works but netscape is "insecure"? they are truely clueless.. It's OK - they're only a bank to which thousands of us trust our money and future... Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
Bill Davidson wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100 > Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save > passwords with IE just like any browser. > > Bill Oh man, they are pathetic. Mozilla is much more secure then any version of IE. And if they don't know You can set Mozilla to encrypt all passwords that are saved. So it would be very hard to get passwords even if someone tried it on your own machine. Oh yeah and not to say that IE also can save passwords and I don't trust it one bit. And so much security problems with IE. Damn they should ban IE users :) -- Live long and prosper! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 July 2002 02:27 am, Anne Wilson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: > I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't > an issue. Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell? mozilla works but netscape is "insecure"? they are truely clueless.. - -- Microsoft, the RIAA, the TCPA, Palladium, etc. ad nausium, these are assaults on our basic rights as humans. They are all efforts to control us. They must be fought. You can have peace or freedom, but rarely both at once. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9JH4DBwq+ZwvIN/oRAn+CAJ4q7+UTXNV1IcZH4zonX/WvYijLmwCeIqRl m5gdSNQ35lWpROGDnGaEmwA= =2DKR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 6:40 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that > > I was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2. I > > was told that it was not and would not be supported as it was > > inherently insecure i.e. could save login/passwords. > > > > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily > > do that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough > > to do so, but I didn't. I regret that now, although they would > > probably have just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers > > as well. > > > > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I > > might write it down. How stupid can you get? > > Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save > passwords with IE just like any browser. > > Bill 'Ignorance is bliss! 'Tis folly to be wise' Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 6:03 pm, you wrote: > On Wednesday 03 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote: > > > Michael Adams wrote: > > > >I tried to visit this site. > > > >http://www.bet365.com > > > > > > > >The result upset me so much i sent them this. > > > > > > (Justifiable complaint snipped) > > > > > > >--- > > > > > > > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. > > > > > > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last > > > week or so. I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies > > > - generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being > > > due to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly > > > galling with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted > > > to see the White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents > > > suggested I get the CrossOver plugin. > > > > > > I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or > > > other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software. > > > Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform > > > independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can > > > be called) the complaints. > > > > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I > > was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2. I was > > told that it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently > > insecure i.e. could save login/passwords. > > > > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do > > that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do > > so, but I didn't. I regret that now, although they would probably have > > just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well. > > > > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I > > might write it down. How stupid can you get? > > > > Anne > > have you tried it with the browser reporting that it is ie4+? if they are > going to tell me I cann't come in without the right key, and the only thing > that makes it the "right key" is me telling them it's the "right key" then > if I want in still, I will tell them; "heck yea, it's the "right" key, and > it fits and i have been using this key for x number of months" I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't an issue. Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
Contacting offending websites is a good idea. I can normally only be bothered to do it with sites I visit regularly, or ones I'm related to in some way (e.g. departments at my university). If you can spare the time, it's very good to explain what it is in the site that is causing the problem (this is not always a Linux/w3c issue - it might be related to general web design problems, such as setting an absolute font size which comes out as gigantic or microscopic at the "wrong" resolution). For example, in the days when I didn't have Flash installed, some bad javascript would cause the "Download Flash" popup to open in over ten boxes - I wrote to one offending site and it was fixed within the hour. Similarly, when I started out on the web (well before my Linux days) I made the mistake of thinking I could use MS Word's "Save as HTML" feature. A few polite emails started me on the long road to Linux ... Sir Robin Josef Lowder wrote: > The protest message I send to "offending" websites: > > > Do you realize that limitations you have built into your website > cut off more than half the world from being able to access your website? > > How savvy is that? > > Why in the world would you design your website to require visitors > to use any one type of browser (and/or specific add-on functions like > flash) when more than half of the computer users in the world cannot > access your website as a consequence? > -- > > Furthermore, when they require a bunch of personal info that I do not > want to provide, I just put "X's" in each field and for an email address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ;)) > > > >>On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote: >> >>>Michael Adams wrote: >>> I tried to visit this site. http://www.bet365.com The result upset me so much i sent them this. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- "So I repeat myself? I am great, I contain tautologies." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Michael Adams wrote: > I tried to visit this site. > http://www.bet365.com > > The result upset me so much i sent them this. > ... snip ... Good for you. You can view the site in Opera with the identifier set to MSIE 5.0 - but don't tell them that! -- Len Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 July 2002 04:55 am, Jure Repinc did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: > If you set it to represent itself as IE. If you set it to represent > itself as Opera, site blocks it. > Sites like this really stink. i have always wondered how much of the IE % of use is really other browsers pretending. damn chicken and egg again - -- Going from DOS to Linux is like trading a glider for an F117. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9I0ShBwq+ZwvIN/oRAsHBAJ97h4QmI6ujADig2GSKuVeOurS7wQCfRdA2 wDxnsE8jTl9ulzGZjSb4zxs= =5XCR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
The protest message I send to "offending" websites: Do you realize that limitations you have built into your website cut off more than half the world from being able to access your website? How savvy is that? Why in the world would you design your website to require visitors to use any one type of browser (and/or specific add-on functions like flash) when more than half of the computer users in the world cannot access your website as a consequence? -- Furthermore, when they require a bunch of personal info that I do not want to provide, I just put "X's" in each field and for an email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;)) > On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote: > > Michael Adams wrote: > > >I tried to visit this site. > > >http://www.bet365.com > > > > > >The result upset me so much i sent them this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 July 2002 6:48 pm, Bryan Tyson wrote: > When attempting to view your site using Konqueror 2.2.1 and Mozilla > 0.9.4, both Linux web browsers, I was curtly informed that my browser > is "incompatible." Your site, sir, is what is "incompatible." Stick > with established standards and real html, not Microsoft proprietary > "features." Excellent - even someone who can't string two words together will understand that :) It may well work. Some time ago www.smile.co.uk was a famous browser-cracker but (in my Windows days) I and others managed to persuade the Co-Operative Bank to make it work with Opera. They did better and threw out all the non-standards-compliant plumbing; it now works with all three principal Linux browsers whereas, I suspect, it once worked with none of them. (I admit to pressing down on a huge lever; the Co-Op takes great pride in being an ethical organisation* and I wrote to the CEO arguing that cutting out potential swathes of users through carelessness was both unethical and poor business sense!) Alastair * http://www.smile.co.uk/images/pdf/ethical_policy.pdf - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9IziECv59vFiSU4YRAtk5AKCezaSeYnAHInYdfDE2RXSdlN6KPACfZA5z uLaXjr1bwZpI9ECid3QXJKc= =ofah -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wednesday 03 July 2002 03:38, Michael wrote: > I tried to visit this site. > http://www.bet365.com > The result upset me so much i sent them this. I sent the letter below, and I encourage everyone on the list to send a similar letter. - Subject: Create a Real Web Site Please From: Bryan S. Tyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When attempting to view your site using Konqueror 2.2.1 and Mozilla 0.9.4, both Linux web browsers, I was curtly informed that my browser is "incompatible." Your site, sir, is what is "incompatible." Stick with established standards and real html, not Microsoft proprietary "features." *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that > I was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2. I > was told that it was not and would not be supported as it was > inherently insecure i.e. could save login/passwords. > > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily > do that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough > to do so, but I didn't. I regret that now, although they would > probably have just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers > as well. > > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I > might write it down. How stupid can you get? Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save passwords with IE just like any browser. Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wednesday 03 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote: > On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote: > > Michael Adams wrote: > > >I tried to visit this site. > > >http://www.bet365.com > > > > > >The result upset me so much i sent them this. > > > > (Justifiable complaint snipped) > > > > >--- > > > > > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. > > > > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week > > or so. I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies - > > generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due > > to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling > > with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the > > White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I > > get the CrossOver plugin. > > > > I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or > > other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software. > > Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform > > independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can > > be called) the complaints. > > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I > was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2. I was > told that it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently > insecure i.e. could save login/passwords. > > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do > that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do > so, but I didn't. I regret that now, although they would probably have > just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well. > > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I might > write it down. How stupid can you get? > > Anne have you tried it with the browser reporting that it is ie4+? if they are going to tell me I cann't come in without the right key, and the only thing that makes it the "right key" is me telling them it's the "right key" then if I want in still, I will tell them; "heck yea, it's the "right" key, and it fits and i have been using this key for x number of months" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote: > Michael Adams wrote: > >I tried to visit this site. > >http://www.bet365.com > > > >The result upset me so much i sent them this. > > (Justifiable complaint snipped) > > >--- > > > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. > > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week > or so. I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies - > generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due > to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling > with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the > White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I > get the CrossOver plugin. > > I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or > other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software. > Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform > independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can > be called) the complaints. On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2. I was told that it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently insecure i.e. could save login/passwords. I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do so, but I didn't. I regret that now, although they would probably have just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well. You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I might write it down. How stupid can you get? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
Although I have to use Windows at work I choose not to use IE and switch between Opera and Netscape. Web designers who only design for one browser are very shortsighted. Maybe if he/she gets enough email about it they will see the error of their ways. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Adams Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:39 AM To: NEWBIE Subject: [newbie] Browser compatibility. I tried to visit this site. http://www.bet365.com The result upset me so much i sent them this. -- Incompatible Browser From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sir I am one of the many people turning to the Virus Free Linux/Unix alternative for my browsing. Internet Explorer is not written for Linux. Microsofts browser has never been a W3C standard for viewing of web pages. HTML has and i have 5 browsers on my computer that can read HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, CSS, XML and Flash in most if not all of their incarnations. Making your site available to one browser only is like allowing fords only on the road. You force me to do business elsewhere - thus i will comply and do bussiness elsewhere. --- I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
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On Wednesday 03 July 2002 9:21 am, Michael Adams wrote:
> > I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
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> Whoops :-( I got bounced, so i sent it to the bounce address
> MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
WD for finding this - I've been hoping to ever since I started using
Linux but had not come across one yet :)
The source contains the dead giveaway:
and the site uses (Microsoft) Internet Information Server.
Evidently a 'Microsoft shop', and it's quite likely 'incompatible
browser' = 'site done on cheap, thus no testing with other browsers'.
I can view the front page by changing the Konqueror browser
identification to 'IE 4.01 on Windows 2000' (Tools | Change Browser
Identification); however, if I go inside Konqueror locks up.
I also love this puffery ('excellent site design' ... for one browser!)
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/10/prweb28773.php
Alastair
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Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom)
http://www.unmetered.org.uk/
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
Michael Adams wrote: >I tried to visit this site. >http://www.bet365.com > >The result upset me so much i sent them this. > (Justifiable complaint snipped) > >--- > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week or so. I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies - generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I get the CrossOver plugin. I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software. Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can be called) the complaints. -- Graham Watkins For me, morning begins when I realize that the soft warm body curled up next to me is a cat. (Kinky Friedman - Frequent Flyer) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.
On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:38, Michael Adams wrote: > I tried to visit this site. > http://www.bet365.com > > The result upset me so much i sent them this. > > -- > Incompatible Browser > From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Sir > > I am one of the many people turning to the Virus Free Linux/Unix > alternative for my browsing. > > Internet Explorer is not written for Linux. Microsofts browser has never > been a W3C standard for viewing of web pages. HTML has and i have 5 > browsers on my computer that can read HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, CSS, XML and > Flash in most if not all of their incarnations. > > Making your site available to one browser only is like allowing fords only > on the road. You force me to do business elsewhere - thus i will comply and > do bussiness elsewhere. > > --- > > I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. Whoops :-( I got bounced, so i sent it to the bounce address MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Browser compatibility.
I tried to visit this site. http://www.bet365.com The result upset me so much i sent them this. -- Incompatible Browser From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sir I am one of the many people turning to the Virus Free Linux/Unix alternative for my browsing. Internet Explorer is not written for Linux. Microsofts browser has never been a W3C standard for viewing of web pages. HTML has and i have 5 browsers on my computer that can read HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, CSS, XML and Flash in most if not all of their incarnations. Making your site available to one browser only is like allowing fords only on the road. You force me to do business elsewhere - thus i will comply and do bussiness elsewhere. --- I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
