Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
P.S. If you make little use of the internet - dealing with e-mail mostly off-line and only browsing occasionally, PAYG can be very cheap, e.g. £5-£8 per quarter (excluding BT line rental of course). PAYG gets very expensive if you spend a lot of time surfing or downloading stuff - then take Anne's advice and keep PAYG only as a back-up. One-Tel does an unlimited internet access package for £12.99 per month and works quite well. I'm pretty sure a number of other ISPs offer something similar. Cheers, Doug On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 22:54, Douglas B. wrote: > Anne, Margot, > > Humble apologies! - yes, I forgot to say the ISPs I was referring to > were (mostly) 'pay-as-you-go' > > I haven't signed up with a new ISP for some time. When I was doing that > fairly frequently, extracting any setting up details from them was like > getting blood from a stone - hence the Winblows work-around. It's nice > they're becoming more Linux-friendly. > > I haven't had any problem so far with Tiscali P-A-Y-G time-outs - > managed to download great masses of Mandrake Updates, lasting hours. > (This was pre-SmartSurf) > > Hope you get your problems sorted soon, Margot > > cheers, > Doug > > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:15, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Friday 31 Jan 2003 7:02 pm, Douglas B. wrote: > > > Margot, > > > > > > Most of the UK dial-up ISPs can be set up for Linux without too much > > > difficulty - I would choose the one that offers the best deal, ignoring > > > > > In your position I would consider using Tiscali on an Anytime contract, which > > IIRC is £15/month, and then one of the pay as you go isps for a fall-back > > account, just for those very rare occasions when something goes wrong. > > Anytime is just that no other cost for time or phone calls, but they tend to > > cut you off after about 2 hours, so long downloads are very difficult. > > > > As far as setting up goes, you can sign up from any browser you have, on any > > os, just from their website. When you've signed up and got your account > > initiated they send you a welcome letter and another with all the details you > > need to set up access from any browser. It is absolutely complete. HTH > > > > Anne -- Douglas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
Anne, Margot, Humble apologies! - yes, I forgot to say the ISPs I was referring to were (mostly) 'pay-as-you-go' I haven't signed up with a new ISP for some time. When I was doing that fairly frequently, extracting any setting up details from them was like getting blood from a stone - hence the Winblows work-around. It's nice they're becoming more Linux-friendly. I haven't had any problem so far with Tiscali P-A-Y-G time-outs - managed to download great masses of Mandrake Updates, lasting hours. (This was pre-SmartSurf) Hope you get your problems sorted soon, Margot cheers, Doug On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:15, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 31 Jan 2003 7:02 pm, Douglas B. wrote: > > Margot, > > > > Most of the UK dial-up ISPs can be set up for Linux without too much > > difficulty - I would choose the one that offers the best deal, ignoring > > In your position I would consider using Tiscali on an Anytime contract, which > IIRC is £15/month, and then one of the pay as you go isps for a fall-back > account, just for those very rare occasions when something goes wrong. > Anytime is just that no other cost for time or phone calls, but they tend to > cut you off after about 2 hours, so long downloads are very difficult. > > As far as setting up goes, you can sign up from any browser you have, on any > os, just from their website. When you've signed up and got your account > initiated they send you a welcome letter and another with all the details you > need to set up access from any browser. It is absolutely complete. HTH > > Anne -- Douglas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 7:02 pm, Douglas B. wrote: > Margot, > > Most of the UK dial-up ISPs can be set up for Linux without too much > difficulty - I would choose the one that offers the best deal, ignoring > the question of Linux. Tiscali is pretty good, with a special internet > deal called SmartSurf; but I have several to use in case one or other is > particularly sluggish or down. In your position I would consider using Tiscali on an Anytime contract, which IIRC is £15/month, and then one of the pay as you go isps for a fall-back account, just for those very rare occasions when something goes wrong. Anytime is just that no other cost for time or phone calls, but they tend to cut you off after about 2 hours, so long downloads are very difficult. As far as setting up goes, you can sign up from any browser you have, on any os, just from their website. When you've signed up and got your account initiated they send you a welcome letter and another with all the details you need to set up access from any browser. It is absolutely complete. HTH Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
Margot, Most of the UK dial-up ISPs can be set up for Linux without too much difficulty - I would choose the one that offers the best deal, ignoring the question of Linux. Tiscali is pretty good, with a special internet deal called SmartSurf; but I have several to use in case one or other is particularly sluggish or down. The easiest way to set up for Linux is if you have Winblows - just install the free ISP CD and then crib the details off My Computer=> Dial-Up Networking=> the particular ISP. The only thing usually missing is the domain name and the authentication - that's usually PAP/CHAP (not PAP or CHAP). Let me know if you'd like to pursue this - for your info I'm using MD9.0, KPPP and Evolution (updated) for e-mail. Cheers, Doug On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 10:39, Margot wrote: > Hi All > > If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will > see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect > to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. > > I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because > Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own > system setup, let alone mine! > > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have to > continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). > > Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and > linux-user-friendly? > > I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to > mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! > > TIA > Margot > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Douglas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
Margot, Most of the UK dial-up ISPs can be set up for Linux without too much difficulty - I would choose the one that offers the best deal, ignoring the question of Linux. Tiscali is pretty good, with a special internet deal called SmartSurf; but I have several to use in case one or other is particularly sluggish or down. The easiest way to set up for Linux is if you have Winblows - just install the free ISP CD and then crib the details off My Computer=> Dial-Up Networking=> the particular ISP. The only thing usually missing is the domain name and the authentication - that's usually PAP/CHAP (not PAP or CHAP). Let me know if you'd like to pursue this - for your info I'm using MD9.0, and Evolution (updated) for e-mail. Cheers, Doug On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 10:39, Margot wrote: > Hi All > > If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will > see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect > to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. > > I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because > Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own > system setup, let alone mine! > > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have to > continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). > > Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and > linux-user-friendly? > > I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to > mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! > > TIA > Margot > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Douglas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
UK? H, Im here in US, working for an isp, we can lease a server VERY CHEAP. That way you have no needs for server costs. Write back if you are interested. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Benjamin Jeeves Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP? Hi I have freeserve and have not had any problems On Friday 31 Jan 2003 10:39 am, Margot wrote: > Hi All > > If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will > see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect > to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. > > I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because > Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own > system setup, let alone mine! > > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have > to continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). > > Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and > linux-user-friendly? > > I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to > mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! > > TIA > Margot -- Thank You Benjamin Jeeves Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 10:39 am, Margot wrote: > Hi All > > If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will > see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect > to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. > > I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because > Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own > system setup, let alone mine! > > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have > to continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). > > Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and > linux-user-friendly? > > I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to > mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! > > TIA > Margot Try UKLinux - http://www.uklinux.net There's a free option and various paid ones: no adsl at present but as you're on dial-up, I would recommend them. Linux orientated so tech support is good, albeit a little slow sometimes. David -- Registered Linux User #207521 "The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory." (Paul Fix) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
Hi I have freeserve and have not had any problems On Friday 31 Jan 2003 10:39 am, Margot wrote: > Hi All > > If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will > see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect > to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. > > I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because > Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own > system setup, let alone mine! > > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have > to continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). > > Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and > linux-user-friendly? > > I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to > mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! > > TIA > Margot -- Thank You Benjamin Jeeves Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 10:39 am, Margot wrote: > I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have > to continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford > anything else. > > Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful > because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend > about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is > limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat > occasionally!). For £15 a month you can get an Anytime connection. Tiscali is the one I use for dial-up connection. They aren't particularly linux oriented, but they give clear set up info that can be used with any os. I set them up on Mandrake 8.1, when I was the rawest newbie you could imagine, and it worked first time. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Cheap, Sensible UK ISP?
Hi All If you have followed my other thread (Internet Connection Problem) you will see that in spite of lots of help from various people I still can't connect to the internet from my new linux machine using my current ISP Eurobell. I'm beginning to think that what I really need is a different ISP, because Eurobell's technical support people don't seem to understand their own system setup, let alone mine! I have a 56k dial-up modem and a standard BT phone line which I will have to continue to use as there is no cable where I live, and I can't afford anything else. Eurobell charges a penny a minute any time of day/night, which is useful because I have ME so my sleeping/waking hours are somewhat erratic. I spend about fifteen pounds a month, and can't afford more because my budget is limited (Incapacity Benefit doesn't stretch very far, and I need to eat occasionally!). Can anyone recommend a suitable UK ISP that is both cheap and linux-user-friendly? I'd also like to hear about any that you would NOT recommend - feel free to mail me off-list if you prefer not to criticise your current ISP in public! TIA Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
