Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:21:15 -0600 Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles swears it's always needed for AMD systems. I've only > found it to be needed in the rare occaisons when I have the nvidia > driver installed. It's not needed with the XFree driver. I use it on all but 1 of my systems. This is not an X cure-all. For me it prevents random and total X lock-ups. I do agree though that it is not necessary if you are not using the proprietary nvidia drivers, or in the case of other cards if you are not using DRI/3d hardware accel Charles -- Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-1mdk - msg117757/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Saturday 01 February 2003 12:50 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 04:02 pm, civileme wrote: > > glxgears is DEPENDENT on size of screen for performance. Make sure both > > screens have the same resolution and color depth, then run glxgears from > > an Eterm and full size the glxgears screen, wait 3 minutes then kill it > > and you should have a fps record for the full-size performance > > > > Then we will need hardware info to clear up the rest of the mystery, if > > any remains. > > > > Civileme > > Hey Civileme! Good to see your face around here. (uh, so to speak ) > > I'll try that and see what I get... > > BTW, machine1 was running on a 15" monitor @ 800x600 and machine2 was > running on 17" monitor @ 1024x768. I hadn't taken that into account either. even the window size of the gears window will make a large difference Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 04:02 pm, civileme wrote: > glxgears is DEPENDENT on size of screen for performance. Make sure both > screens have the same resolution and color depth, then run glxgears from an > Eterm and full size the glxgears screen, wait 3 minutes then kill it and > you should have a fps record for the full-size performance > > Then we will need hardware info to clear up the rest of the mystery, if any > remains. > > Civileme Hey Civileme! Good to see your face around here. (uh, so to speak ) I'll try that and see what I get... BTW, machine1 was running on a 15" monitor @ 800x600 and machine2 was running on 17" monitor @ 1024x768. I hadn't taken that into account either. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Saturday February 1 2003 11:47 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 03:57 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > As usual, thanks for all the advice, Tom! > > >I've got a Gef2-64mb (Abit), 167mhz memory, 200mhz core (oc's > > to 185/225 with ease). Altho I use it with the Xfree driver that > > has some 3d hardware acceleration (minus direct rendering), I > > have tested it occaisonally with the the proprietary guess who > > knows what binary ones from nVidia. Last time with 1491's vs. > > XFree-4.2.99 (4.3). The secret crap is still 3+ times the > > performance, but with added system trade offs. > > http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en Plus the > > Xfree drivers don't need 'mem=nopentium' to keep from fsck'n up > > your linux install ;~>> > > Let me get this straight - should I be using "mem=nopentium" on my > Nvidia equipped systems that are using Nvidias' drivers? I didn't > know that. Charles swears it's always needed for AMD systems. I've only found it to be needed in the rare occaisons when I have the nvidia driver installed. It's not needed with the XFree driver. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Saturday 01 February 2003 12:47 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 03:57 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > As usual, thanks for all the advice, Tom! > > >I've got a Gef2-64mb (Abit), 167mhz memory, 200mhz core (oc's to > > 185/225 with ease). Altho I use it with the Xfree driver that has > > some 3d hardware acceleration (minus direct rendering), I have tested > > it occaisonally with the the proprietary guess who knows what binary > > ones from nVidia. Last time with 1491's vs. XFree-4.2.99 (4.3). The > > secret crap is still 3+ times the performance, but with added system > > trade offs. http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en > > Plus the Xfree drivers don't need 'mem=nopentium' to keep from fsck'n > > up your linux install ;~>> > > Let me get this straight - should I be using "mem=nopentium" on my Nvidia > equipped systems that are using Nvidias' drivers? I didn't know that. in AMD processor systems Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 03:57 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: As usual, thanks for all the advice, Tom! >I've got a Gef2-64mb (Abit), 167mhz memory, 200mhz core (oc's to > 185/225 with ease). Altho I use it with the Xfree driver that has > some 3d hardware acceleration (minus direct rendering), I have tested > it occaisonally with the the proprietary guess who knows what binary > ones from nVidia. Last time with 1491's vs. XFree-4.2.99 (4.3). The > secret crap is still 3+ times the performance, but with added system > trade offs. http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en > Plus the Xfree drivers don't need 'mem=nopentium' to keep from fsck'n > up your linux install ;~>> Let me get this straight - should I be using "mem=nopentium" on my Nvidia equipped systems that are using Nvidias' drivers? I didn't know that. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday January 31 2003 04:07 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > I always look for a hot babe on the cover of the graphics adaptor > box - http://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/9.0/i586/hot-babe-0.1.2-2plf.i586.rpm -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 03:21 pm, Charlie wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 03:07 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > > I always look for a hot babe on the cover of the graphics adaptor box - > > if not there, then behind the counter. If not there, then I imagine one. > > Then I buy the card. Take it home and pray for the best. > > > > (ONLY JOKING) > > Suure ya are Stephen! I believe you too, really. > > Sorta kinda in way anyway. Sorry, I left this off: LMAO :-) -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new developments. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 03:07 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > I always look for a hot babe on the cover of the graphics adaptor box - > if not there, then behind the counter. If not there, then I imagine one. > Then I buy the card. Take it home and pray for the best. > > (ONLY JOKING) Suure ya are Stephen! I believe you too, really. Sorta kinda in way anyway. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org Fortune finishes the great quotations, #12 Those who can, do. Those who can't, write the instructions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 04:26, Anne Wilson wrote: > Question for Charlie - > > Since graphics cards are amongst the most popular upgrades, would you like to > put on record the checks you would make if you were choosing a card, and > where you would look for answers? > > Anne I always look for a hot babe on the cover of the graphics adaptor box - if not there, then behind the counter. If not there, then I imagine one. Then I buy the card. Take it home and pray for the best. (ONLY JOKING) -- Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:05:01 +1100 9:05am up 1 day, 12:02, 5 users, load average: 0.41, 0.30, 0.22 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Thirty white horses on a red hill, First they champ, Then they stamp, Then they stand still. -- Tolkien Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 10:10 am, FemmeFatale wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 07:59, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > Okay, I've got 2 systems here I'm looking at: > > > > > > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use for a > > comparison, but the results surprised me: > > > > 2600fps 2200fps > > > > Why would the system in column 1 outperform (video wise) the machine in > > the 2nd column? It seems like it would be the other way around? (could > > the drivers make that much of a difference?) > > > > Thanks! :-) > > > > -- > > > > /\ > > Dark< >Lord > > \/ > > Drivers & one is a duron. Effectively a neutered AMD Chipset. Or so > goes my semi-educated guess. > > Femme glxgears is DEPENDENT on size of screen for performance. Make sure both screens have the same resolution and color depth, then run glxgears from an Eterm and full size the glxgears screen, wait 3 minutes then kill it and you should have a fps record for the full-size performance Then we will need hardware info to clear up the rest of the mystery, if any remains. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday January 31 2003 09:51 am, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: > Nvidia Geforce 2-32 megs Ram Nvidia Geforce 2-64 megs Ram > (made by Verto-PNY) (made by MSI) > 4191 drivers Drivers that come with > v9.0 > > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use > for a comparison, but the results surprised me: > > 2600fps 2200fps > > Why would the system in column 1 outperform (video wise) the > machine in the 2nd column? It seems like it would be the other way > around? (could the drivers make that much of a difference?) > > Thanks! :-) Besides Charles' pertinent comments, no two vendors nvidia cards are equal. Could be the PNY card has a higher memory and core (GPU) clock than the MSI version, or vice versa. If you don't know these parameters, 'nvclock -i' (as root) will spit 'em out (nvclock-0.6.1-2mdk rpm). See 'man nvclock' if you want to try'n overclock the card. +10% is safe, even without a fan on the card's heatsink. Either cards' onboard memory size (ie, 32 vs. 64) makes neglible difference. The MHz it cycle's at, and also the core's,... _does_. Actually I'm surprised your results are apparently as close as they are, altho no 'glxgears' results should be construed as a bench, are only some what relevant if resolution an color depth (bbp) are included, and the output is run fullscreen, and as Charles said, background running procceses are taken into account. To expound a little further on Charles' other point, no two systems are equal in terms of bios (and it's configuration), motherboard capability, and on an' on. So in the end, system to system comparisons are rather pointless. Benches are only relevant for gauging system adjustments. 'Sides, glxgears is not a bench. I've got a Gef2-64mb (Abit), 167mhz memory, 200mhz core (oc's to 185/225 with ease). Altho I use it with the Xfree driver that has some 3d hardware acceleration (minus direct rendering), I have tested it occaisonally with the the proprietary guess who knows what binary ones from nVidia. Last time with 1491's vs. XFree-4.2.99 (4.3). The secret crap is still 3+ times the performance, but with added system trade offs. http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en Plus the Xfree drivers don't need 'mem=nopentium' to keep from fsck'n up your linux install ;~>> -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 01:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Thought of that. Tried HCL first, but that turned out to be the zdnet one > (I'd forgotten that) which disappeared. Then I tried the one you mention, > but it looked more like a forum site. Have I missed something? Probably. I say that with total confidence 'cause I *always* miss something when I reply, so how could you _not_ miss it. Abject apologies dear lady I'll try to do better. The compatibility list starts at: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compat.php but the forum at the site is often interesting and informative as well. As with most 'Help sites' I read much more than I reply. > > Yeah - I once checked on a user forum from SoundBlaster cards - if I'd not > have them before and loved them I'd never have bought one after reading > that I've often said you can learn more about whether a piece of hardware will work or not by what people gripe about. Have you noticed that some complaints are so damned easy to overcome that one gets the impression that the complainer is incapable of doing much more than pushing the 'on' button and "Clicking on the blue E?" > > I usuall describe myself as 'belt, braces and a piece of string'. > Thanks, Charlie > > Anne If I've helped at all you're quite welcome Anne. Always a pleasure to "talk" to you. ;-) Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org While you don't greatly need the outside world, it's still very reassuring to know that it's still there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 03:08 pm, et wrote: > > particulars about the Mobo chipset would be good here... also the model of > the GeForce, and the type of memory in the geforce (ie; 32 megs ddr geforce > ti4200 , vs 64 megs sdram 200 mx? I just made those up, I don't really > think there is a 32 meg ti4200) Both cards are DDR ram - not MMX's... Hmm, I believe the Shuttle MB is an AMD761? chipset, and the Soyos uses the KT133? but I'd have to check that - thats off the top of me poor sleepy head (worked 12 hours last night - haven't been to bed yet) [so much Linux stuff - so little time!!!] :-) -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 7:54 pm, Charlie wrote: > For anything after the fact Anne (after reading the available reviews) I > usually look at > http://www.linuxcompatible.org/ > to see if the bleedin' hardware is listed, and whether it's listed as > "working." Thought of that. Tried HCL first, but that turned out to be the zdnet one (I'd forgotten that) which disappeared. Then I tried the one you mention, but it looked more like a forum site. Have I missed something? > I forgot to mention, I start at the review sites with a vaguely general > notion of what I'm interested in, then once the search is refined slightly > I usually hit the manufacturer's site haunting the support lists (if > available) to find what if any difficulties users are experiencing, then > I'll hit the site above and after that I'll do a Google search based on > keywords I've developed from the preceding research. > Yeah - I once checked on a user forum from SoundBlaster cards - if I'd not have them before and loved them I'd never have bought one after reading that > Suspenders and belt I know; but I'm often spending a friend's money, and > I'm awfully damned cautious about that. I usuall describe myself as 'belt, braces and a piece of string'. Thanks, Charlie Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 10:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 31 Jan 2003 2:59 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > Okay, I've got 2 systems here I'm looking at: > > > > Shuttle MBSoyo MB > > 384 megs Ram 384 megs DDR Ram > > 900mhz Athlon CPU 1.3 ghz Duron CPU > > SB Live audioOnboard audio > > 56x IDE CD 56x IDE CD > > floppyfloppy > > 20 Gig Seagate HD 30 Gig Maxtor HD > > Nvidia Geforce 2-32 megs Ram Nvidia Geforce 2-64 megs Ram > > (made by Verto-PNY) (made by MSI) > > 4191 driversDrivers that come with v9.0 > > > > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use for a > > comparison, but the results surprised me: > > > > 2600fps 2200fps > > > > Why would the system in column 1 outperform (video wise) the machine in > > the 2nd column? It seems like it would be the other way around? (could > > the drivers make that much of a difference?) > > Don't know about that, but a Duron is very throttled back compared with an > Athlon, so perhaps it's a case of what you gained in one place you lost in > another. > > Anne particulars about the Mobo chipset would be good here... also the model of the GeForce, and the type of memory in the geforce (ie; 32 megs ddr geforce ti4200 , vs 64 megs sdram 200 mx? I just made those up, I don't really think there is a 32 meg ti4200) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 10:26 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 31 Jan 2003 5:20 pm, Charlie wrote:
> > The final point I want to make; have you read any comparisons on hardware
> > review sites of the differences between GeForce cards from different
> > manufacturers? There are differences and even though the tests for the
> > most part are done under Windows the drivers used are always the latest
> > stable offerings from NVidia. It may just be that part of the difference
> > is something like VRAM speed difference on the two different boards as
> > well.
> >
> > Lot's of variables, not enough for me to base anything other than these
> > SIWAGes on. (semi intelligent wild @$$ guesses) :-)
>
> Question for Charlie -
>
> Since graphics cards are amongst the most popular upgrades, would you like
> to put on record the checks you would make if you were choosing a card, and
> where you would look for answers?
>
> Anne
Hi Anne!
What I usually do to start is to consider the projected budget set for the
purchase. Then read every review I can find on cards at that price since the
reviewers all have slightly different hardware environments to consider. A
component "match" is sometimes as important as any specific component to my
way of thinking.
You must remember that I haven't bought a new graphics adapter for my own use
since late 1998, a Creative Graphics Blaster TNT 16 MB. Price as usual was
the first consideration in the vein of "bang for the buck." The only real
competition NVidia had at the time at the price point under consideration was
ATI; and while "Buy Canadian" meant a bit to me, the competition wasn't even
close. ATI is known throughout the world as a company that seems able to
design and (in some instances) build the hell out of the hardware, but fall
on their faces writing drivers that do what the hardware is capable of. I
would have rather had a VooDoo at the time but availability (extremely
limited here) and price meant that was out completely. Add to that; I had
just paid over CDN$400 for an "Student" discounted copy of Office 2000
because I was told in no uncertain terms that the Educational Institution I
was taking courses from required all "Papers" submitted on disks of that
format. They excluded compatibility capabilities of Star Office and Word
Perfect specifically. The twits!
Back to the graphics;
I recently made my 17 year old son build his own box with only minimal hints
from "Dear Olde" regarding hardware; on the theory that, "He'll learn faster
from being bitten than any other way, and besides it's his cash he's throwing
at this thing."
We'll skip most of the specs other than; Athlon XP1800+ (Thoroughbred core)
overclocked {now} to 1967 MHz on an MSI KT-3 (or is that KT-4? One or the
other.) Ultra, SoundBlaster Live! Value Digital, and an ATI 9500 Pro Video
In/Video Out. I don't remember the manufacturer, it was whichever one of the
hardware review sites rated top of the class. MSI again I think. He seems to
have overclocked that beast too somehow and (under Windows XP anyway)
convinced it that it's a 9700 Pro using some sort of "unlocking script." He's
still having trouble with it under Mandrake 9.0 which is the only reason he
loaded Windows XP. Gaming ya know.
I still think he made the correct choice. From what I've absorbed by haunting
the various hardware sites the 9500 Pro kills any available GeForce 4 for
less money; the drivers (gatos project for GNU/Linux) are better than
anything ATI has done in; well, forever, and they're improving, and the kid
needs to learn somehow right?
I guess what I'm saying is to pick as much as you can stuff into your budget
and find as much as possible from reviews on the 'net. Then toss a coin I
s'pose; since even the old 'hardcases' will disagree with each other.
Vociferously.
Or you could follow one of Josh's (the kid) criteria that he used picking the
motherboard. "I liked the RED!"
Makes almost as much sense as anything else don't you think?
Regards;
--
Charlie
Edmonton,AB,Canada
Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org
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Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 07:59, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > Okay, I've got 2 systems here I'm looking at: > > > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use for a > comparison, but the results surprised me: > > 2600fps 2200fps > > Why would the system in column 1 outperform (video wise) the machine in the > 2nd column? It seems like it would be the other way around? (could the > drivers make that much of a difference?) > > Thanks! :-) > > -- > > /\ > Dark< >Lord > \/ > Drivers & one is a duron. Effectively a neutered AMD Chipset. Or so goes my semi-educated guess. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 10:21 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 12:20 pm, Charlie wrote: > > Lot's of variables, not enough for me to base anything other than these > > SIWAGes on. (semi intelligent wild @$$ guesses) :-) > > > > Regards; > > Ha - those are the finest kind! (and thanks for the reply) Hey D-L I do the best I can with my semi intelligence. ;-) Wild @$$ guesses have always been a specialty of mine ya know. With all the help I get around here without even asking I wouldn't reply if I had a guess or a clue to offer? waaa, you huiwted me feewings! You're very welcome. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org If God had intended Man to Walk, He would have given him Feet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 12:51 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: > Is either system by chance running setiathome? > > > Charles Nah, although I do think its a very cool project! :-) -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:30:55 -0500 "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are both using Nvidia drivers - just that the first one is using > the latest 4191 drivers, and the 2nd one is using the Nvidia drivers > that come with the v9.0 Powerpack. (not 2D). Is either system by chance running setiathome? Charles The hearing ear is always found close to the speaking tongue, a custom whereof the memory of man runneth not howsomever to the contrary, nohow. -- Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -- msg117581/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 12:33 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: > mode=1x, 2x, 3x, 4x and with newest high end cards 8x > Both your cards should be set for 4x I thought thats what you meant but didn't want to show my, ah "ignorance"... :-) Anyways, yes - both are set to 4x mode. > But hell if you have 1 system that is not using the nvidia drivers it > would be tremendously faster With those drivers. > > > Charles They are both using Nvidia drivers - just that the first one is using the latest 4191 drivers, and the 2nd one is using the Nvidia drivers that come with the v9.0 Powerpack. (not 2D). Thanks! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 5:20 pm, Charlie wrote: > The final point I want to make; have you read any comparisons on hardware > review sites of the differences between GeForce cards from different > manufacturers? There are differences and even though the tests for the most > part are done under Windows the drivers used are always the latest stable > offerings from NVidia. It may just be that part of the difference is > something like VRAM speed difference on the two different boards as well. > > Lot's of variables, not enough for me to base anything other than these > SIWAGes on. (semi intelligent wild @$$ guesses) :-) > Question for Charlie - Since graphics cards are amongst the most popular upgrades, would you like to put on record the checks you would make if you were choosing a card, and where you would look for answers? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:07:47 -0500 "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are both set to aperture size of 128 megs. As far as mode?, I'm > not sure what you meant. mode=1x, 2x, 3x, 4x and with newest high end cards 8x Both your cards should be set for 4x But hell if you have 1 system that is not using the nvidia drivers it would be tremendously faster With those drivers. Charles A definition of teaching: casting fake pearls before real swine. -- Bill Cain, "Stand Up Tragedy" -- Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -- msg117574/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 12:20 pm, Charlie wrote: > Lot's of variables, not enough for me to base anything other than these > SIWAGes on. (semi intelligent wild @$$ guesses) :-) > > Regards; Ha - those are the finest kind! (and thanks for the reply) -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 07:59 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > Okay, I've got 2 systems here I'm looking at: > > Shuttle MBSoyo MB > 384 megs Ram 384 megs DDR Ram > 900mhz Athlon CPU 1.3 ghz Duron CPU > SB Live audioOnboard audio > 56x IDE CD 56x IDE CD > floppy floppy > 20 Gig Seagate HD 30 Gig Maxtor HD > Nvidia Geforce 2-32 megs Ram Nvidia Geforce 2-64 megs Ram > (made by Verto-PNY) (made by MSI) > 4191 drivers Drivers that come with v9.0 > > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use for a > comparison, but the results surprised me: > > 2600fps 2200fps > > Why would the system in column 1 outperform (video wise) the machine in the > 2nd column? It seems like it would be the other way around? (could the > drivers make that much of a difference?) > > Thanks! :-) Other than Anne's suggestion of the Athlon's on chip cache being doubled in comparison to the Duron; what is the chipset on the Shuttle? That may make a difference. Also the drivers actually *will* make a difference, the Athlon is using the NVidia 4191 driver, while the Duron is using the generic/open source "good enough without tainting the kernel" set that shipped with the operating system. Reflect on that one Dark Lord; a "budget processor" running non optimized drivers is running a 3d app at nearly 85% of the efficiency of an optimized driver running the same operating system. I think both are a good indication that greater things are still to come, don't you? The final point I want to make; have you read any comparisons on hardware review sites of the differences between GeForce cards from different manufacturers? There are differences and even though the tests for the most part are done under Windows the drivers used are always the latest stable offerings from NVidia. It may just be that part of the difference is something like VRAM speed difference on the two different boards as well. Lot's of variables, not enough for me to base anything other than these SIWAGes on. (semi intelligent wild @$$ guesses) :-) Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org The day you leave work early to make it to class on time, the sensei will be sick -- Murphy's Laws of Martial Arts n°4 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 Jan 2003 5:04 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 10:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Don't know about that, but a Duron is very throttled back compared with > > an Athlon, so perhaps it's a case of what you gained in one place you > > lost in another. > > > > Anne > > Hi Anne. I knew a Duron is "lite beer" compared to a regular Athlon but I > didn't think it would affect video like that. You might be right. Thanks! I could be way off, though. It just seemed to me that it might prove a bottleneck. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 11:14 am, Charles A Edwards wrote: > Dennis, unless you have exactly the same processes running on both > systems you can not really do a true comparison. Well, they are both running v9.0 of Mandrake with the same kind of setup. Only software diff. that I know of is the Nvidia drivers... > Also did you set the memory and mode for AGP in your BIOS for each card? > > > Charles They are both set to aperture size of 128 megs. As far as mode?, I'm not sure what you meant. Thanks! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Friday 31 January 2003 10:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > Don't know about that, but a Duron is very throttled back compared with an > Athlon, so perhaps it's a case of what you gained in one place you lost in > another. > > Anne Hi Anne. I knew a Duron is "lite beer" compared to a regular Athlon but I didn't think it would affect video like that. You might be right. Thanks! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comparison question
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:51:49 -0800 "Myers, Dennis R NWO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I know that GLXGears is not the best thing in the world to use for > a comparison, but the results surprised me: > > 2600fps 2200fps Dennis, unless you have exactly the same processes running on both systems you can not really do a true comparison. Also did you set the memory and mode for AGP in your BIOS for each card? Charles Kramer's Law: You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks. -- Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -- msg117557/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
