Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 20:28, Marc wrote: > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 08:07 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of > > > > > > mdk and you should be ok. > > > > > > > > > > I just tried that and still get the same black screen when > > > > > trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake > > > > > disk 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the > > > > > restore MBR option. Still no joy. The good news is that > > > > > mandrake still works well. > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while > > > > reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a > > > > defective file in the windows part. > > > > > > Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but > > > the full format. I have had this problem several times before on > > > this machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux > > > back up and running is to do a full low level format using the > > > zero fill tool from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. > > > I have done dual boot installations with XP and ML before and > > > NEVER had this kind of problem!!! Maybe I should mention that > > > this is a brand new XP cd that I am using. It is supposed to have > > > service pack 1 allready installed on it. This is starting to make > > > me wonder if the folks at microsux have not found a way to take > > > something bad and make it worse. > > > > > > > The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't > > > > hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the > > > > option to select update/install and then select update. > > > > > > Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue > > > mode. > > > > > > By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle > > > practice at 200 yards. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Marc > > > > That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do > > a low level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode > > and define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. > > Then install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk > > and if windows quits working have fun at the range. > >Been there, done that, yesterday. Here is the latest game plan. I > am going to use a floppy for the master boot record. If that works I > may try it putting the MBR on the root partison or perhaps creating a > seperate partison for the MBR. I cant remember what all the options > for the MBR are at the end of the ML install. Hell I never needed to > . The defalt setting always worked UNTIL NOW. > My best guess at this point is that maybe XP does not like sharing > the first sector of the Hard disk with anything else, juest a guess. > Thanks for your suggestions. > > Marc Sounds reasonable, have fun. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 08:07 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk > > > > > and you should be ok. > > > > > > > > I just tried that and still get the same black screen when > > > > trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake disk > > > > 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the restore MBR > > > > option. Still no joy. The good news is that mandrake still works > > > > well. > > > > Marc > > > > > > Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while > > > reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a defective > > > file in the windows part. > > > > Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but the > > full format. I have had this problem several times before on this > > machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux back up > > and running is to do a full low level format using the zero fill tool > > from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. I have done dual > > boot installations with XP and ML before and NEVER had this kind of > > problem!!! Maybe I should mention that this is a brand new XP cd > > that I am using. It is supposed to have service pack 1 allready > > installed on it. This is starting to make me wonder if the folks at > > microsux have not found a way to take something bad and make it > > worse. > > > > > The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't > > > hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the option > > > to select update/install and then select update. > > > > Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue mode. > > > > By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle > > practice at 200 yards. > > > > Thanks > > Marc > > That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do a low > level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode and > define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. Then > install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk and if > windows quits working have fun at the range. Been there, done that, yesterday. Here is the latest game plan. I am going to use a floppy for the master boot record. If that works I may try it putting the MBR on the root partison or perhaps creating a seperate partison for the MBR. I cant remember what all the options for the MBR are at the end of the ML install. Hell I never needed to . The defalt setting always worked UNTIL NOW. My best guess at this point is that maybe XP does not like sharing the first sector of the Hard disk with anything else, juest a guess. Thanks for your suggestions. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk > > > > and you should be ok. > > > > > > I just tried that and still get the same black screen when > > > trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake disk > > > 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the restore MBR > > > option. Still no joy. The good news is that mandrake still works > > > well. > > > Marc > > > > Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while > > reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a defective > > file in the windows part. > > Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but the > full format. I have had this problem several times before on this > machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux back up > and running is to do a full low level format using the zero fill tool > from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. I have done dual > boot installations with XP and ML before and NEVER had this kind of > problem!!! Maybe I should mention that this is a brand new XP cd > that I am using. It is supposed to have service pack 1 allready > installed on it. This is starting to make me wonder if the folks at > microsux have not found a way to take something bad and make it > worse. > > > The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't > > hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the option > > to select update/install and then select update. > > Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue mode. > > By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle > practice at 200 yards. > > Thanks > Marc That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do a low level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode and define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. Then install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk and if windows quits working have fun at the range. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: > > > Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you > should be ok. Better reinstall mdk on the entire disk! Thanks I will give it a try. You are right about better to install Mandrake on the entire disk but it is a friends machine and his wife and kids are sure that the world would end if they did not have XP. There is NO microsux junk on my personal machines :) ! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: > I have been fighting with a dual boot installation for days. I give > up!!! It's time to ask you folks. > I just did a low level format of the Hard drive and then a fresh > install of win XP. Did a defrag, shut down right away and did a > install of ML . I shrunk the windows partision 50% and did the rest > of the installation. All went well. when I rebooted ML it worked > great, as always. when I try to boot to XP all get is a black screen > with a flashing curser. > Anyone have any idea of what went wrong? Or how to fix it. > > Thanks > Marc Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. Better reinstall mdk on the entire disk! -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Dual boot problems
I have been fighting with a dual boot installation for days. I give up!!! It's time to ask you folks. I just did a low level format of the Hard drive and then a fresh install of win XP. Did a defrag, shut down right away and did a install of ML . I shrunk the windows partision 50% and did the rest of the installation. All went well. when I rebooted ML it worked great, as always. when I try to boot to XP all get is a black screen with a flashing curser. Anyone have any idea of what went wrong? Or how to fix it. Thanks Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 03:04, SnapafunFrank wrote: OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. Re partitions:] /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux and: /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux Now I'm lost with the "non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? No, that's not what he was saying. He was just saying that the drive letter C will ONLY be assigned to partitions that winblows stuff understands, and that happens to be restricted to winblows partitions and not non-dos or non-ntfs stuff. Technically you can have a fat anywhere you like. I personally would have done a type "c" which is Win95 FAT32 in LBA mode. Most of the time that's what win98 chooses for itself. The file system is a little faster and allows for larger partitions. I do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or try something different I can see me getting balder. What you probably ought to do is hang with what you have for a bit until you get sorted out and get all your ducks in a row, and then decide what you're layout is going to be based on what you know and what you need. What would be handy is if you could post your /etc/fstab so that I could see how you are mounting these partitions. There's a simple method to layout and then there are more unecessarily complex methods; it seems to me that what you are doing may be a little more complex than it needs to be. LX Well this could well be what it is I need to learn. I've posted the /etc/estab below for you to comment on while I go searching for some knowledge about it. Thanks for pointing it out to me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]# rpm -qa | grep checkinstall checkinstall-1.6.0-0.beta2.1mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]# cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hda8 /home ext2 defaults 0 0 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom2 auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec 0 0 /dev/hda3 /mnt/empty ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2_boot ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdb5_root ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb6 /mnt/hdb6_var ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb7 /mnt/hdb7_usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb9 /mnt/hdb9_home ext2 defaults 1 2 none /mnt/removable supermount dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,nosuid,nodev,kudzu 0 0 none /mnt/removable2 supermount dev=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win_c2 vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda4 /mnt/win_h vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda6 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda9 /var ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda7 swap swap swap 1 2 /dev/hdb8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Looks like it could use a clean out but then I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Catch you soon I hope. -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 04:42, SnapafunFrank wrote: > Hmmm. First I had WinMe then using Mandrake9.1 I was able to > repartiton the HDD for dual booting. Having got 9.1 settled I had to > make a choice, dump WinMe and use the space for Linux storage or start > again with another HDD. I still needed windows for autocad at the very > least so went with another HDD. I used Mandrake 9.2 to install then > partition some of the partitions you see on hda today, and I included a > FAT partition for file sharing. NB here that I had simply relegated the > windows HDD to slave without doing any configuring of anything. I had > great problems when I tried to update to Mandrake 10 it never really > took, so I back-up'ed and went for the clean install. This is not at all an unusual experience. > Using the > installation tools I further split up hda and though everything works > fine my first confusion started with the number of partitions now > available to me. My understanding was a max of 4 primary with one being > further split to 4 logical, a total of 7 usable partition less one for > swap. There are three types of partitions, primary, extended and logical. There are numerous filesystem subtypes but the three partition types always remain the same. The number of primary partitions slots is always four. An extended partition always takes up a primary partition slot. Since the number of primary partitions is greatly limited, and since Linux works perfectly with logical partitions(while needing more *total* partitions than dumber os's, which typically only need one), it's better to put mdk installs inside extended partitions on logicals and keep the primaries for your winblows stuff. You can have a maximum of 12 logical partitions inside any single extended partition before fdisk barfs. Linux does not need a primary partition, and I have seen linux primary partitions get hosed during winblows installs. On the other hand I have never seen a linux installation get hosed if all it's partitions were logical on a dual boot box. > My table shows that, but it is frustrating when the tools > mentioned earlier suggested I could have more. Now, when I tried to go > the update route with Mandrake10, lilo showed me boot options for > partitions that had no OS on them, ie the FAT partitions. > Yet when I did a clean install I didn't strike this problem? That's not really a problem. Why would you think that it was? MDK doesn't scan for the OS files, it just types the partition and makes the assumption that it is bootable. I don't really see any use in MDK scanning for other operating system files beyond partition level boot related stuff; that's way outside it's venue AFAIAC. > I am missing something > here because all the info and help I see out there suggests that I > should have seen the same problem even with a clean install. If this is what I think you are talking about then yes you would and no it's not really a problem, unless I don't understand what the problem really is. Just for clarification, what is it that you perceive as the problem? Anyway, here is a good layout example. I posted another contribution on this earlier in this thread, I helpfully suggest that you check it out. In the meantime for convenience, here is a one drive layout: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]# fdisk -l /dev/sda > > Disk /dev/sda: 160.2 GB, 160226334720 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19478 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > >Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended > /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux > /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux > /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap > /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux > /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux > /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 * 4463 7961 28113718+ 7 HPFS/NTFS > /dev/sda3 7962 19478 92510302+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) > > sda5 = boot > sda6 = root > sda7 = swap > sda8 = tmp > sda9 = usr > sda10 = var > > Boot-root are "special" cases, don't take up much room, and therefore > have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and > boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being > an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsiously > respect for some reason. Swap is first in line to take advantage of > spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have > the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second. > Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file > lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the > longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter. /usr has > long file lifetimes and thus as you see abo
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 03:04, SnapafunFrank wrote: > OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. > > Re partitions:] > > /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended > /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 > /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux > /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap > /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux > > and: > > /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux > /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) > /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux > /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux > /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux > /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap > /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux > > Now I'm lost with the "non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on > both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? No, that's not what he was saying. He was just saying that the drive letter C will ONLY be assigned to partitions that winblows stuff understands, and that happens to be restricted to winblows partitions and not non-dos or non-ntfs stuff. Technically you can have a fat anywhere you like. I personally would have done a type "c" which is Win95 FAT32 in LBA mode. Most of the time that's what win98 chooses for itself. The file system is a little faster and allows for larger partitions. > I > do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo > thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this > when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this > partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing > something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now > everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or > try something different I can see me getting balder. What you probably ought to do is hang with what you have for a bit until you get sorted out and get all your ducks in a row, and then decide what you're layout is going to be based on what you know and what you need. What would be handy is if you could post your /etc/fstab so that I could see how you are mounting these partitions. There's a simple method to layout and then there are more unecessarily complex methods; it seems to me that what you are doing may be a little more complex than it needs to be. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Vincent Voois wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. Re partitions:] /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux and: /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux Now I'm lost with the "non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? I do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or try something different I can see me getting balder. Your FAT16 on your HDA4 seems to me in the middle of your Linux partitions, not that this should matter but if it is not being detected by your W95 bootpartition to me the only way it seems so is that the partition-table has some extra or missing mark to keep it undetected from Windows environment. (I can understand if this FAT16 partition was written specifically for and under Linux then this would be a security measure). But trust me that if you would have created this /dev/hda4 FAT16 entry on the table under DOS or Windows, it would have become C: and when your w95 platform boots up from your /dev/hdb1, it gets stuck as soon as it wants to start win.com because it probably isn't even there on this c:\windows, or if it is, it may output "incorrect DOS version" or "himem not loaded" or something similar since your /dev/hdb1 will become d:. Then there is this matter or partitions being "primary" or "extended" (and) "logical". You can't boot from a logical device, but you can place your OS there if you configure your environment variables in your boot-files where this OS is located. Hmmm. First I had WinMe then using Mandrake9.1 I was able to repartiton the HDD for dual booting. Having got 9.1 settled I had to make a choice, dump WinMe and use the space for Linux storage or start again with another HDD. I still needed windows for autocad at the very least so went with another HDD. I used Mandrake 9.2 to install then partition some of the partitions you see on hda today, and I included a FAT partition for file sharing. NB here that I had simply relegated the windows HDD to slave without doing any configuring of anything. I had great problems when I tried to update to Mandrake 10 it never really took, so I back-up'ed and went for the clean install. Using the installation tools I further split up hda and though everything works fine my first confusion started with the number of partitions now available to me. My understanding was a max of 4 primary with one being further split to 4 logical, a total of 7 usable partition less one for swap. My table shows that, but it is frustrating when the tools mentioned earlier suggested I could have more. Now, when I tried to go the update route with Mandrake10, lilo showed me boot options for partitions that had no OS on them, ie the FAT partitions. Yet when I did a clean install I didn't strike this problem? I am missing something here because all the info and help I see out there suggests that I should have seen the same problem even with a clean install. As to the opening thread here, if you get strange boot options with lilo [ assuming you are using lilo of course ] then don't bother with them. Once you get things settled simply remove those 'false' entries from within /etc/lilo.conf and as root issue: #/sbin/lilo. Keep doing this until you get no errors as lilo re-configures itself. The lilo I posted earlier is a good one so use it for some examples to get your own preferences sorted. Note Well. Do not test lilo with a reboot until you get no errors with # /sbin/lilo Unlike windows there is no need to
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
SnapafunFrank wrote: OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. Re partitions:] /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux and: /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux Now I'm lost with the "non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? I do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or try something different I can see me getting balder. Your FAT16 on your HDA4 seems to me in the middle of your Linux partitions, not that this should matter but if it is not being detected by your W95 bootpartition to me the only way it seems so is that the partition-table has some extra or missing mark to keep it undetected from Windows environment. (I can understand if this FAT16 partition was written specifically for and under Linux then this would be a security measure). But trust me that if you would have created this /dev/hda4 FAT16 entry on the table under DOS or Windows, it would have become C: and when your w95 platform boots up from your /dev/hdb1, it gets stuck as soon as it wants to start win.com because it probably isn't even there on this c:\windows, or if it is, it may output "incorrect DOS version" or "himem not loaded" or something similar since your /dev/hdb1 will become d:. Then there is this matter or partitions being "primary" or "extended" (and) "logical". You can't boot from a logical device, but you can place your OS there if you configure your environment variables in your boot-files where this OS is located. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Vincent Voois wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: Unless you have actually tried for yourself, please layoff saying things as if they were fact. As to windows, WinMe ain't so bad once you bash For the fact that i couldn't run half the shit in WinME due to whatever MS invention was in there makes ME a pretty invaluable Win9X environment. (I still had a lot of DOS applications i wanted to run which ME didn't allow anymore and so were many companies having office tools based upon DOS that did not worked (properly) in ME) ME supposed to be the stepping stone to NTFS system but it was lacking tools that were very usefull in Win9X and had things that crapped up various software packages. I couldn't even get Adobe Premiere to run in it, neither could i get bug-free hardware drivers for my pinnacle card for ME (as it did not support a load of other new hardware either which was released after Windows ME) It's a fact that some people like WinME but it's also a fact that WinME was a marketfailure and not only for the reasons i just mentioned. If it works:Congratulations and have fun, but if considering for a new install: VOID it. For one thing it was good for was the silent hint that DOS software-support were about to become a thing of the past. it's face in a bit AND it will run off another HDD without reconfiguring anything AND from a install from Mandrake to boot. Don't believe me: read the following and weep: If you have only a non-FAT or non-NTFS platform on your primary harddrive, your second harddrive will always become C:\. But if you have a Windows system on your primary partitions which shares the same FS as the one on your second harddrive... Generally the msdos.sys holds a line which points to the systemdir. This has never been different, neither in current NT's boot.ini, it's required that the windows system knows where it's systemfolder is, Unless you have no other existing windows environments on your primary harddrive, you will have to configure that and that was my point. OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. Re partitions:] /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux and: /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux Now I'm lost with the "non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? I do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or try something different I can see me getting balder. -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 04:29, Asa Rossoff wrote: > Vincent Voois wrote: > > Asa Rossoff wrote: snip > > > Second, Windows boots from the first boot-device, but it can be > > configured to have it's OS on another drive by altering the MSDOS.INI > > and in case of WinNT 4.x, 5.x you can alter the BOOT.INI to set the > > drive and startup-path where the os is stored. > > If your bootmanager on the primary IDE drive allows you to boot from the > > second drive, you can install all of the Windows data on there but in > > the win9x/ME cases you for sure have to modify the system settings to > > make it boot properly. > > I didn't realize Win98 and Me had a similar boot config file to NT/XP. > It looks like it's actually msdos.sys on Win98 at least, rather than > msdos.ini. > > Since he is running both 98 and Me, on seperate drives and partitions, > and using Lilo to select them (currently), in theory he could just edit > the msdos.ini (or msdos.sys) file on his WinMe partition (second drive) > to indicate that the OS is on drive D: -- it might work. BUT, he would > have to reinstall WinMe while the drive is recognized as D: (if the > WinMe installer allows it) or do some major registry, shortcut and > config file hacking. > > > IMHO:Ditch WinME, it's really not worth the trouble, either install > > '98SE or XP, but Win'98 is currently less vulnerable to virusses these > > days as most viruses dedicates themselves to NT5.x exploites > > (XP/2000/2003). > > Asa I'm not at all sure you guys have a good understanding of what msdos.sys does. Msdos.sys doesn't have jack to do with the boot process; that is set at windows installation time. The only thing that msdos.sys does is set the path for windows; it merely tells windows where to look for it's binaries (dll exe etc). The true motherload of drive relevant information resides in the registry. Msdos.sys merely sets environment variables; that's all. Another thing to realize is that at it's core, msdos.sys is truly a dos artifact and NOT a windows artifact. Dos loads first and then winblows gets loaded by the dos environment, depending on what dos tells it to do by virtue of the parameters in msdos.sys. Also, msdos.sys was not always a text file. In Dos version 6.22 it was binary and was actually part of three components of the operating system. (I include the command interpreter in that number.) Subsequently in dos 7.00 it was kept for some wierd compatibility reasons, but changed to a parameter text file. Dos 7.10 kept that convention. Barring reinstallation it is very problematic to mess around with the msdos.sys file path line. You still have a bazillion inf and registry entries to deal with if there is a drive change. Much better to reinstall. Having said that there's alot of stuff you can do with msdos.sys. For instance: -- [Paths] WinDir=C:\USR\98R2 WinBootDir=C:\USR\98R2 HostWinBootDrv=C [Options] AutoScan=0 BootDelay=0 BootWarn=0 BootGUI=0 BootKeys=1 BootMenu=1 BootMenuDelay=2 BootMulti=1 DoubleBuffer=0 DblSpace=1 DrvSpace=0 LoadTop=0 Logo=0 ; ;The following lines are required for compatibility with other programs. ;Do not remove them (MSDOS.SYS needs to be >1024 bytes). ;xa ;xb ;xc ;xd ;xe ;xf ;xg ;xh ;xi ;xj ;xk ;xl ;xm ;xn ;xo ;xp ;xq ;xr ;xs DisableLog=0 WinVer=4.10. -- Why the funky nonstandard path? Once upon an age ago I was experimenting with wine and 98se under Linux. But in any case, as some examples, looking above you can see where you can keep the logo from being displayed or you can have the
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
SnapafunFrank wrote: Unless you have actually tried for yourself, please layoff saying things as if they were fact. As to windows, WinMe ain't so bad once you bash For the fact that i couldn't run half the shit in WinME due to whatever MS invention was in there makes ME a pretty invaluable Win9X environment. (I still had a lot of DOS applications i wanted to run which ME didn't allow anymore and so were many companies having office tools based upon DOS that did not worked (properly) in ME) ME supposed to be the stepping stone to NTFS system but it was lacking tools that were very usefull in Win9X and had things that crapped up various software packages. I couldn't even get Adobe Premiere to run in it, neither could i get bug-free hardware drivers for my pinnacle card for ME (as it did not support a load of other new hardware either which was released after Windows ME) It's a fact that some people like WinME but it's also a fact that WinME was a marketfailure and not only for the reasons i just mentioned. If it works:Congratulations and have fun, but if considering for a new install: VOID it. For one thing it was good for was the silent hint that DOS software-support were about to become a thing of the past. it's face in a bit AND it will run off another HDD without reconfiguring anything AND from a install from Mandrake to boot. Don't believe me: read the following and weep: If you have only a non-FAT or non-NTFS platform on your primary harddrive, your second harddrive will always become C:\. But if you have a Windows system on your primary partitions which shares the same FS as the one on your second harddrive... Generally the msdos.sys holds a line which points to the systemdir. This has never been different, neither in current NT's boot.ini, it's required that the windows system knows where it's systemfolder is, Unless you have no other existing windows environments on your primary harddrive, you will have to configure that and that was my point. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Monday 30 August 2004 11:14 pm, Asa Rossoff wrote: > Windows expects to boot from the first drive in the system (which it > will always call C:). I believe there are ways to trick it into booting > from other drives. I haven't tried it. Smart Boot Manager can do this > by (I think) having the bios report the drives in a swapped fashion. > SBM is at http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ Not totally correct. Windows NT, 2000, XP can all boot from drives other than C: or the first drive in the system. 16 bit versions or versions that contain 16 bit legacy code, such as 95, 98, ME, etc. will only boot from the C: drive. Now, the BIOS will expect to find a boot loader on the hard drive that you tell it is the primary boot device, but that can be any drive in the system, not necessarily the first one. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 14:26, JRH wrote: > Hi all, > > Bit of a good one this! > > I have 2 HDD's in my machine, and I want to boot from both Drives. > > My main drive (/dev/hdc) is where LiLo is installed. > > On my main drive, I have: hdc1: Windows 98SE, hdc5: /root, hdc7: /usr, hdc8: > /home. > > The second drive, contains Windows ME (dont ask!!), and DiskDrake sees it as > /dev/hda, and LiLo sees it as hda1. > > In theory, all looks like it should work. But it dont! > > When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message > (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any > key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) > > Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. > > Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( > > JRH First some basics: There is a current mythology running around these days that Winblows (be it me or xp or 98 or whatever) must have a partition at the beginning of the drive. This is patently false and I want to debunk this old wives tale right now, I'm tired of seeing it. Second, the prime real estate for any drive is at the beginning of the drive, not the end. If a Linux installation is put at the end then you are most likely depriving your MDK of some prime real estate. Third, most bioses these days allow you to choose which drive you boot from. The installation trick with me, XP, or whatever is to boot your MDK installation disk #1 into it's install routine, and get the installation program to the point where you see the partition layouts at the install screen. I know about the rescue disk option but I've done extensive work both ways, and it turns out that for low level maintenance, an install boot is handier than a rescue disk boot. An MDK install boot to the partitioning step makes a better rescue disk than the rescue disk. Once you see that screen, you do ctrl-alt-f2 and that puts you in a console screen, with all filesystem modules loaded that you need for that box. After you do that, use fdisk to set up all your partitons, including the Windows one. What I do is allocate an extended partition first, the size I want the linux install to be. It would look like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]# fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 160.2 GB, 160226334720 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19478 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 * 4463 7961 28113718+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 7962 19478 92510302+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) sda5 = boot sda6 = root sda7 = swap sda8 = tmp sda9 = usr sda10 = var Boot-root are "special" cases, don't take up much room, and therefore have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsiously respect for some reason. Swap is first in line to take advantage of spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second. Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter. /usr has long file lifetimes and thus as you see above is an exception to the latter speed rule, but I put it where it is for reasons of program load speed. There's always an exception to the rule. ;) Note that I have given NTFS and Win98 primary partitions and I have put Linux inside a type 85. The reason for that is that Winblows is less likely to screw with the tables of a non-dos partition that it does not understand, and a type 85 has historically fallen within that category. Note also that I have put these partitions at the end of the drive; that is because they simply have the lowest priority. ;) Note also that there is no primary partition for Linux. This is simply because of symmetry and also because of the fact that Linux doesn't need one. MDK can operate completely within an extended partition shell with no problem and it is preferable to do it this way for many reasons. Retain your primary partition entries (which are very limited in number) for dumber stupider OS's like XP, ME, or 98se. Now the trick. After partitioning layout is done you start your winblows installation; do not install MDK. You tell your bios to boot from the winblows drive after you have done all your par
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Asa Rossoff wrote: Vincent Voois wrote: Asa Rossoff wrote: When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH Windows expects to boot from the first drive in the system (which it will always call C:). I believe there are ways to trick it into booting from other drives. I haven't tried it. Smart Boot Manager can do this by (I think) having the bios report the drives in a swapped fashion. SBM is at http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ Right as well as wrong. First of all, the Bios always searches the first IDE drive for the boot-sector and simple executes it and whatever bootmanager is on there, it will do the rest. Unless there is an option in the Bios to change bootpriority for IDE drives, you won't be able to change this fact. I understand that. Smart Boot Manager can be installed to the boot sector of the real first drive, and when you select a Windows/Dos partition on the Second drive, it can be configurered to make Win/Dos think that the second drive is 1st, and the first drive is 2nd. SBM is not a kernel loader, so you still need a kernel loader for linux (I think it has to be installed on a supersector or something like that if you have SBM on track 0... there are instructions with SBM. It could also go on the boot sector of the second hardddrive.) Second, Windows boots from the first boot-device, but it can be configured to have it's OS on another drive by altering the MSDOS.INI and in case of WinNT 4.x, 5.x you can alter the BOOT.INI to set the drive and startup-path where the os is stored. If your bootmanager on the primary IDE drive allows you to boot from the second drive, you can install all of the Windows data on there but in the win9x/ME cases you for sure have to modify the system settings to make it boot properly. I didn't realize Win98 and Me had a similar boot config file to NT/XP. It looks like it's actually msdos.sys on Win98 at least, rather than msdos.ini. Since he is running both 98 and Me, on seperate drives and partitions, and using Lilo to select them (currently), in theory he could just edit the msdos.ini (or msdos.sys) file on his WinMe partition (second drive) to indicate that the OS is on drive D: -- it might work. BUT, he would have to reinstall WinMe while the drive is recognized as D: (if the WinMe installer allows it) or do some major registry, shortcut and config file hacking. IMHO:Ditch WinME, it's really not worth the trouble, either install '98SE or XP, but Win'98 is currently less vulnerable to virusses these days as most viruses dedicates themselves to NT5.x exploites (XP/2000/2003). Asa Unless you have actually tried for yourself, please layoff saying things as if they were fact. As to windows, WinMe ain't so bad once you bash it's face in a bit AND it will run off another HDD without reconfiguring anything AND from a install from Mandrake to boot. Don't believe me: read the following and weep: # File generated by DrakX/drakboot # WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map default="windows" keytable=/boot/us.klt prompt nowarn timeout=200 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz263 label="linux263" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd263.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent" vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz263 label="linuz263NNet" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd263.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent nonetworking=yes" vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz263 label="linux-nonfb263" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd263.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz267 label="linux267" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd267.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent" vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz263 label="failsafe263" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd263.img append="failsafe noapic acpi=ht devfs=nomount" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz267 label="failsafe267" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd267.img append="failsafe noapic acpi=ht devfs=nomount" read-only other=/dev/hdb1 label="windows" table=/dev/hdb map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 image=/boot/vmlinuz267 label="linux-nonfb267" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd267.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz2422 label="2422-21" root=/dev/hda5 initrd=/boot/initrd2422.img append="noapic devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/memtest-1.11.bin label=memtest-1.11 None of the original was configured br myself, I
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:14, Asa Rossoff wrote: > JRH wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Bit of a good one this! > > > > I have 2 HDD's in my machine, and I want to boot from both Drives. > > > > My main drive (/dev/hdc) is where LiLo is installed. > > > > On my main drive, I have: hdc1: Windows 98SE, hdc5: /root, hdc7: /usr, hdc8: > > /home. > > > > The second drive, contains Windows ME (dont ask!!), and DiskDrake sees it as > > /dev/hda, and LiLo sees it as hda1. > > > > In theory, all looks like it should work. But it dont! > > > > When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message > > (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any > > key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) > > > > Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. > > > > Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( > > > > JRH Now I do my dual OS - dual HDD soulution with W2k, and it works like a charm: Lilo and linux on HDD1, w2k mbr & OS on HDD2. Lilo can boot either OS, and both drives can boot without the other drive's mbr. But back in the days of W98, I had w98 mbr & OS on HDD1, and lilo & lin on HDD2, and I had a boot floppy to boot the system with. I know. Boot floppy? In the 21st century? This way though, if I took one HDD home with me (I did that a lot), I could boot up from the other one without any hassle. I never really used the floppy drive for anything else, so at least it wasn't redundant. cheers Andras Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Vincent Voois wrote: Asa Rossoff wrote: When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH Windows expects to boot from the first drive in the system (which it will always call C:). I believe there are ways to trick it into booting from other drives. I haven't tried it. Smart Boot Manager can do this by (I think) having the bios report the drives in a swapped fashion. SBM is at http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ Right as well as wrong. First of all, the Bios always searches the first IDE drive for the boot-sector and simple executes it and whatever bootmanager is on there, it will do the rest. Unless there is an option in the Bios to change bootpriority for IDE drives, you won't be able to change this fact. I understand that. Smart Boot Manager can be installed to the boot sector of the real first drive, and when you select a Windows/Dos partition on the Second drive, it can be configurered to make Win/Dos think that the second drive is 1st, and the first drive is 2nd. SBM is not a kernel loader, so you still need a kernel loader for linux (I think it has to be installed on a supersector or something like that if you have SBM on track 0... there are instructions with SBM. It could also go on the boot sector of the second hardddrive.) Second, Windows boots from the first boot-device, but it can be configured to have it's OS on another drive by altering the MSDOS.INI and in case of WinNT 4.x, 5.x you can alter the BOOT.INI to set the drive and startup-path where the os is stored. If your bootmanager on the primary IDE drive allows you to boot from the second drive, you can install all of the Windows data on there but in the win9x/ME cases you for sure have to modify the system settings to make it boot properly. I didn't realize Win98 and Me had a similar boot config file to NT/XP. It looks like it's actually msdos.sys on Win98 at least, rather than msdos.ini. Since he is running both 98 and Me, on seperate drives and partitions, and using Lilo to select them (currently), in theory he could just edit the msdos.ini (or msdos.sys) file on his WinMe partition (second drive) to indicate that the OS is on drive D: -- it might work. BUT, he would have to reinstall WinMe while the drive is recognized as D: (if the WinMe installer allows it) or do some major registry, shortcut and config file hacking. IMHO:Ditch WinME, it's really not worth the trouble, either install '98SE or XP, but Win'98 is currently less vulnerable to virusses these days as most viruses dedicates themselves to NT5.x exploites (XP/2000/2003). Asa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
JRH wrote: Hi all, Bit of a good one this! I have 2 HDD's in my machine, and I want to boot from both Drives. My main drive (/dev/hdc) is where LiLo is installed. On my main drive, I have: hdc1: Windows 98SE, hdc5: /root, hdc7: /usr, hdc8: /home. The second drive, contains Windows ME (dont ask!!), and DiskDrake sees it as /dev/hda, and LiLo sees it as hda1. In theory, all looks like it should work. But it dont! When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH Dunno much about ME but it's probably the case, as with 98, that in order to boot, it needs to be installed on the first sector of the Master HD. This would explain why it boots up when you swap the drives. (Interesting experiment: - swap the drives then try to boot 98SE. If it fails then I'm probably right about this.) Never heard of a way round this although there are smarter people than me on this list so you never know. -- Graham Watkins "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
Asa Rossoff wrote: When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH Windows expects to boot from the first drive in the system (which it will always call C:). I believe there are ways to trick it into booting from other drives. I haven't tried it. Smart Boot Manager can do this by (I think) having the bios report the drives in a swapped fashion. SBM is at http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ Right as well as wrong. First of all, the Bios always searches the first IDE drive for the boot-sector and simple executes it and whatever bootmanager is on there, it will do the rest. Unless there is an option in the Bios to change bootpriority for IDE drives, you won't be able to change this fact. Second, Windows boots from the first boot-device, but it can be configured to have it's OS on another drive by altering the MSDOS.INI and in case of WinNT 4.x, 5.x you can alter the BOOT.INI to set the drive and startup-path where the os is stored. If your bootmanager on the primary IDE drive allows you to boot from the second drive, you can install all of the Windows data on there but in the win9x/ME cases you for sure have to modify the system settings to make it boot properly. IMHO:Ditch WinME, it's really not worth the trouble, either install '98SE or XP, but Win'98 is currently less vulnerable to virusses these days as most viruses dedicates themselves to NT5.x exploites (XP/2000/2003). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot & Dual HDD
JRH wrote: Hi all, Bit of a good one this! I have 2 HDD's in my machine, and I want to boot from both Drives. My main drive (/dev/hdc) is where LiLo is installed. On my main drive, I have: hdc1: Windows 98SE, hdc5: /root, hdc7: /usr, hdc8: /home. The second drive, contains Windows ME (dont ask!!), and DiskDrake sees it as /dev/hda, and LiLo sees it as hda1. In theory, all looks like it should work. But it dont! When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH Windows expects to boot from the first drive in the system (which it will always call C:). I believe there are ways to trick it into booting from other drives. I haven't tried it. Smart Boot Manager can do this by (I think) having the bios report the drives in a swapped fashion. SBM is at http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ Asa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot WinXP - Mandrake 10.0 Mnt question
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 12 July 2004 06:46 am, Craig Bowyer wrote: Hi all, I have a dual boot system which automatically mounts my Windows XP partition, however, it mounts it read only. Is there a way of changing the mounting so it can be written to as well? Yes. But at the risk of corrupting or losing your Windows XP filesystem. Writing NTFS is not yet fully trusted by most open source authors due to unpublished quirks. You would do much better to set up a smaller, FAT32 partition and use that for transferring files. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Thanks Brian, The reason I asked is that I heard that a couple of distributions were allowing this as an add-on or straight out of the box. I wasn't sure if any advances had been made to the technology to make it more reliable or not. Regards, Craig Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot WinXP - Mandrake 10.0 Mnt question
On Monday 12 July 2004 06:46 am, Craig Bowyer wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a dual boot system which automatically mounts my Windows XP > partition, however, it mounts it read only. Is there a way of changing > the mounting so it can be written to as well? Yes. But at the risk of corrupting or losing your Windows XP filesystem. Writing NTFS is not yet fully trusted by most open source authors due to unpublished quirks. You would do much better to set up a smaller, FAT32 partition and use that for transferring files. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Dual Boot WinXP - Mandrake 10.0 Mnt question
Hi all, I have a dual boot system which automatically mounts my Windows XP partition, however, it mounts it read only. Is there a way of changing the mounting so it can be written to as well? Regards, Craig. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
Greg, thanks for the response. As far as my reply-to setting goes, I'm using a Web-based e-Mail client for this list and cannot change the reply-to setting. Sorry. --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - DATE: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:11:42 From: Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: >On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:54 pm, Aaron West wrote: >> So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux >on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. >> >It depends on the version of Windows you are using. The 9x series (including >ME) want to be on the first primary partition of the first drive in the >system. This is not exactly true for Win2k and XP, but there are some issues >with non-dos filesystems on partitions lower than the Windows partitions. >Sometimes they are not seen and sometimes they impact drive performance. I >have experienced both. If you are going to use the whole 15GB drive for >Windows, and you are using Win2k or XP, then you should be able to do it as >you are proposing. > >Most people install windows first, then install Mandrake, which will detect >your windows install and make it a choice on the boot menu. > >So in your case, you might want to do something like this. 15GB drive for >Windows as primary master. 80GB drive foe Linux as primary slave. Optical >CDRW drive as secondary master and dvd/cdrom reader as secondary slave. > >Also, please clear the reply-yo in your mail client. Replies to your messages >are going to you directly instead of to the list. >-- >/g > >"Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside >a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx > > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:54 pm, Aaron West wrote: > So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. > It depends on the version of Windows you are using. The 9x series (including ME) want to be on the first primary partition of the first drive in the system. This is not exactly true for Win2k and XP, but there are some issues with non-dos filesystems on partitions lower than the Windows partitions. Sometimes they are not seen and sometimes they impact drive performance. I have experienced both. If you are going to use the whole 15GB drive for Windows, and you are using Win2k or XP, then you should be able to do it as you are proposing. Most people install windows first, then install Mandrake, which will detect your windows install and make it a choice on the boot menu. So in your case, you might want to do something like this. 15GB drive for Windows as primary master. 80GB drive foe Linux as primary slave. Optical CDRW drive as secondary master and dvd/cdrom reader as secondary slave. Also, please clear the reply-yo in your mail client. Replies to your messages are going to you directly instead of to the list. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:53:55 + Richard Urwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you > can help it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to > drive D. There is a very simple way around this that works for Any version of windows. Keep the old hd as is, windows only, and move it to the slave position. Set the new hd as master. Install Mandrake on the new drive, using all or as such space as you wish. When the linux bootloader is installed an entry will automatically be made for windows. Anytime you boot windows it will not be able to 'see' your linux drive so will still believe that it is C. I have done the above with 98, 200 and XP with never a problem. It has the added benefit, as picky and fickle as it can at time be, the win bootsector/MBR is never touched. Charles -- Nobody ever died from oven crude poisoning. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10.tmb.4mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trajiklyhip.com - Original Message - DATE: 05 Oct 2003 19:32:06 -040 From: ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: >On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 19:04, Aaron West wrote: >> Evening all, >> >> Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of >> being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since >> I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use >> a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB >> hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, >> I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. >> >> I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before >> you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current >> Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be >> installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right >> idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working >> so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> >> --- >> | Aaron West >> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> | http://www.trajiklyhip.com >> >M$ wants to see an M$ product on the first sector of the first partition >on the first disk on the first ide chain. win 9x &ME require them to be >on that partition. win2k can sit elsewhere as long as a M$ product is in >that first spot. > > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 October 2003 07:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: > Evening all, > > Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of > being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since > I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use > a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB > hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, > I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. > > I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before > you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current > Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be > installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right > idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working > so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? > > Thanks!! > | Aaron West Aaron: Sounds like an excellent plan to me, and one that is commonly used. When you get to partitioning the Mandrake disk, I'd suggest that you do not accept the default paritioning scheme, but create some extra partitions. I've found it very useful to have one partition (using a Linux-based format) for Linux backups, and a second partition formatted in FAT32. The latter partition can be used for storing data files that you may wish to access from either OS. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 11:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: > Evening all, > > Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of > being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since > I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use > a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB > hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, > I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. > > I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before > you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current > Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be > installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right > idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working > so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Yes. Points to remember: 1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you can help it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to drive D. You should be fine if you leave the 15GB as the master drive with a single partition on it and install the new drive as slave. If you partition the 15GB then the primary partition of the new slave drive may (IIRC) be positioned between the 15GB primary and secondary partitions if it is recognised by Windows. But if all the partitions on the slave drive are Linux filesystems then Windows should ignore them. 1a. You may find that the CD changes drive letters if any partitions on the slave drive are readable by Windows. This will mean that any time it needs the install disk you will have to tell it where to find the CD. 2. Windows will not install a dual-boot bootsector. Linux will. That is why you install Linux second. 3. Linux support for ntfs is not perfect. It is recommended to use it read-only. vfat (FAT32 etc.) is not a good choice for a 15GB partition. Summary: install Windows first. Put a smallish vfat partition on the 15GB drive to act as common space between the OSs but use ntfs for the rest. Format the slave drive using only Linux filesystems. Disclaimer: the last time I did this sort of thing it was dual-booting between NT4 and Win95. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 5, 2003 05:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: > Evening all, > > Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of > being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since > I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use > a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB > hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, > I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. Just to save yourself aggravation Windows should always go first. I know it's been said more than once that it shouldn't matter so much with 2000 or XP, and I've set partitions with the Mandrake installer then installed Windows after, but "stuff happens" and you'll be better off following the conventional Windows first pattern. > I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before > you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current > Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be > installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right > idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working > so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? > > Thanks!! You just read it again here. You seem to have at least a basic grasp of the situation in re. the dual boot idea. I'd probably be inclined to just slave the new drive in and install Mandrake. What I'm saying is the 120 GB hard drive will have to be "introduced" to Windows somehow if you plan to have any part of it accessible from Windows, and the easiest way to do that is to use the Mandrake installer to set the partition table and forget the Windows bootloader. Lilo or Grub are more flexible anyway. NTFS is the default file system for 2000 and XP and it's preferable to FAT32 in _so_ many ways. But...write support for that file system in GNU/Linux is experimental at best, and Linux file system support under Windows isn't much better so you'll probably want a FAT32 "buffer" partition that both operating systems can save files to. Then you won't have to worry about not having access to things when you are booted to either. Bottom line; do the fresh Windows install and when you have your new drive just slave it in and boot from the first Mandrake install disk, pick the custom partition option and have fun. The graphics for partitioning are very clear. It isn't hard and you'll learn to love the power of making all your own decisions. Welcome to Open Source, and to unlimited choices. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 17:08:15 up 15 days, 6:29, 1 user, load average: 0.31, 0.59, 0.61 It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gKp1G11CaRuZZSIRArSpAJoDx+CjIYk4ACBkYuUvCQii0K2eXwCgr4Ok 6ZsVRiekPhEZOsSKObN441I= =dpzP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot setup
Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Thanks!! --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trajiklyhip.com Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS
Johan Scheepers wrote: So there it is hiding - on my system and CD if I press F1 the system hangs forever and even enter will not work. I don't know why that is happening.It must be reading of CD1 to get to splash screen,so it's not a question of a rom drive, driver, and you haven't even begun hardware detection, so it cannot be that. I have never know a hangup on selecting F1 at the splash screen. Have to reset system but enter works when pressed first - this is a downloaded version of mdk9.1 I buy from a firm that sells them. I doubt there is anything wrong with the discs. Any ideas why? I wonder whether something in bios may be interfering. It's about all I can think of right now. Maybe someone else has a better idea? Thanks Johan -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS
So there it is hiding - on my system and CD if I press F1 the system hangs forever and even enter will not work. Have to reset system but enter works when pressed first - this is a downloaded version of mdk9.1 I buy from a firm that sells them. Any ideas why? Thanks Johan - Original Message - From: "John Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS > Johan Scheepers wrote: > > >Hi John, > >I installed mdk9.1 three times. > >Option auto / expert never came up. > > > Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type > expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or whaterver) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS
This is why linux is so good - there are so many different ways to reach the same point. If it works for you, sure thats good. I am glad for the stuff I learned from this experiment. Johan - Original Message - From: "John Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS > Johan Scheepers wrote: > > >Hi John, > >I installed mdk9.1 three times. > >Option auto / expert never came up. > > > Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type > expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or whaterver) > > >Option to config or skip bootloader will came up after 3rd disk. > > > How ? > > >ONLY on 2nd and 3rd install. > > > How ? > > >It seems that on first time around you have no > >choice? > > > As one would expect ! > > >The next config option for bootloader will come up on the bottom of the > >screen > > > Which window ? > > >where you can config a lot of stuff. > >Select this option and on the screen that appear select ADVANCE > > > I know it, > > >to be able > >to select option for bootdisk. > >After bootdisk is made you have option to config lilo - > >here you have to make some choices. > > > Choices ? > > >If you are not succesful here and you > >have a bootdisk you can modify the lilo.conf after reboot. > > > Well yes, but it would be better not to install lilo at all on second > attempt. > > >Here you have to look closely to configuration manner see below for this > >installation.. Refer to my previous postings > > > sure, > > >Please after first install and reboot mark this install somewhere so that > >you will know which is which. They look the same and is very confusing. > > > I always do. > > > Also > >mark the second install. > >Should you mount the non-live OS you must use full path to move around in > >it. > > > Well all this goes in your final active /etc/lilo.conf to either boot > one, and mount the other as the case may be. I just want the active > /etc/lilo.conf to be the first M9.1 install and remain so. > > >It is not really importend which partition is installed first and that the > >lilo is written to MBR the next will overwrite it. > > > Youcann ot stop this then ? > > > What is importent is the > >way your lilo.conf will be written in the end - by mdk or yourself. > > > yes and no, depends if your happy with booting off the lilo.conf of the > second M9.1 install. > > >Suggest - cd /etc su. > >Now there is some ways to use lilo. > >Like - to see how now -- lilo -q > >To see if your changes is legal without changing -- lilo -t > >If you need more info lilo -t -v. > >Be sure to backup your file before changes. > >I enjoyed this testing - this is how I found out when to make bootdisk > >before rebooting install and it also made me more confident. > >Enjoy > >Johan > > > > > > OK, now this, > > >Look closely to this image and initrd* > >image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz > > label="linuxhde7" > > root=/dev/hde7 > > initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img > > read-only > > > > > > > This looks really wierd to me, I'm not sure if I understand it. > > image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz > > says, go look for the kernel to boot in /mnt/linuxhde-7 > which must be some strange way of saying hde7 , boot directory, select kernel vmlinuz. > > and again, > > initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img > > use initrd in hde7 's /boot directory. > > > Now would this also work for me when I have a /boot partition.(hda5 if my memory serves me correctly)? > > Which means all kernel and initrd files are in /dev/hda5 (or whaterver) > So I have the simpler task of writing all /etc/lilo.conf entries to use > kernel and init.rd files in the same /dev/hda5(or whatever). I still > think my way is easier, keep to the one /boot partition, where all these > files go for all the linux OS's, and what is more the installer puts > them there automatically. > > John > > -- > John Richard Smith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi John, I installed mdk9.1 three times. Option auto / expert never came up. Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or whaterver) Option to config or skip bootloader will came up after 3rd disk. How ? ONLY on 2nd and 3rd install. How ? It seems that on first time around you have no choice? As one would expect ! The next config option for bootloader will come up on the bottom of the screen Which window ? where you can config a lot of stuff. Select this option and on the screen that appear select ADVANCE I know it, to be able to select option for bootdisk. After bootdisk is made you have option to config lilo - here you have to make some choices. Choices ? If you are not succesful here and you have a bootdisk you can modify the lilo.conf after reboot. Well yes, but it would be better not to install lilo at all on second attempt. Here you have to look closely to configuration manner see below for this installation.. Refer to my previous postings sure, Please after first install and reboot mark this install somewhere so that you will know which is which. They look the same and is very confusing. I always do. Also mark the second install. Should you mount the non-live OS you must use full path to move around in it. Well all this goes in your final active /etc/lilo.conf to either boot one, and mount the other as the case may be. I just want the active /etc/lilo.conf to be the first M9.1 install and remain so. It is not really importend which partition is installed first and that the lilo is written to MBR the next will overwrite it. Youcann ot stop this then ? What is importent is the way your lilo.conf will be written in the end - by mdk or yourself. yes and no, depends if your happy with booting off the lilo.conf of the second M9.1 install. Suggest - cd /etc su. Now there is some ways to use lilo. Like - to see how now -- lilo -q To see if your changes is legal without changing -- lilo -t If you need more info lilo -t -v. Be sure to backup your file before changes. I enjoyed this testing - this is how I found out when to make bootdisk before rebooting install and it also made me more confident. Enjoy Johan OK, now this, Look closely to this image and initrd* image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz label="linuxhde7" root=/dev/hde7 initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img read-only This looks really wierd to me, I'm not sure if I understand it. image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz says, go look for the kernel to boot in /mnt/linuxhde-7 which must be some strange way of saying hde7 , boot directory, select kernel vmlinuz. and again, initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img use initrd in hde7 's /boot directory. Now would this also work for me when I have a /boot partition.(hda5 if my memory serves me correctly)? Which means all kernel and initrd files are in /dev/hda5 (or whaterver) So I have the simpler task of writing all /etc/lilo.conf entries to use kernel and init.rd files in the same /dev/hda5(or whatever). I still think my way is easier, keep to the one /boot partition, where all these files go for all the linux OS's, and what is more the installer puts them there automatically. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question >> SUCCESS!!! :))
At 06:59 PM 2/13/2003 +0700, you wrote: btw thanks to FemmeFatale for the warning re Partition Magic - I had come across that one before, dual booting NT and 98. The workaround IIRC is to not ask PM to do too many things at once: just because it will let you queue up 12 or 14 tasks, it's not a good idea. In my case, it took 5 reboots to get the partitions resized and shuffled around the way I wanted them. It's worth saying once again: thanks to all who replied - I've had a couple of goes at getting a Linux of one kind or other going, and this is the most success I've had so far... -- Merlin Zener NP luv. Glad it worked out! - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 10:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > G'day, > Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from > Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: > * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL > * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition > down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". > * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured > if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't > install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" > * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 > and labelled it "archive". > > I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created > archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. > > Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security > - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. > "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: > +-++-+ > | || | > | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | > | || | > +-++-+ > > This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** > to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d > is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" > in the details box when I click on each partition. > But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. > And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to > put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. > "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" > The wizard gives three options: > - erase the entire disk > - use the free space on the windoze partition > - use the windoze partition for loopback > > I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because > clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, > but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. > And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they > need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? > I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... > > ...asking too much? First Partition: NT/2000/XP partition. Second One: FAT32 Last partition for Mandrake Window$ will read partition until it finds something it doesn't recognize (like Linux file system) and then it will stop. So, if you put Linux in the middle, Window$ will not read the FAT32 partition that you set for your data. Enter expert mode. You have to set 2 partitions at least for Linux: swap (let's say 512Mb) and the one where root (/) is mounted. My initial install was EXT3 for the root partition but now I have a different setup. Anyway, with the one I am giving here you can get started. Then start reading and optimize your system/setup/applications/hardware/and so on. Good luck -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 07:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm going to do something I don't do normally... mix postings. :) > > > > G'day, > Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from > Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: > * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL > * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition > down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". > * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured > if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't > install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" > * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 > and labelled it "archive". OK So far sweetheart you're doing just fine. Just remember the rule: PM WILL NOT create or read any linux partition that IS NOT Ext2. If its any other partitioning scheme, PM fails. Period. It WILL corrupt data too if it doesn't agree with the leading blocks & how the partitions have been allocated. IE, fire up PM it gives you some partitioning block error. DO NOT LET IT FIX THIS! Ever! It will with prejudice toast that partition & your linux & possibly your windows partitions will be terminated. You've been warned. (Trust me I did this... three or 4 times as a matter of fact. First time unintentional. Every other time it was an experiment to see if I could reproduce the results.) > > I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created > archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. > > Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security > - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. > "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: > +-++-+ > | || | > | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | > | || | > +-++-+ > > This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** > to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d > is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" > in the details box when I click on each partition. > But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. > And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to > put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. > "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" OK lets stop here a minute. Now keep in mind, MDK is literally guessing. You'd think it would "know" but b/c of the way M$hit allocates partitions & the weird scheme it uses (tech details you'd rather not know) MDK can only guess at which partition is which. Usually MDK is right. I've yet to have it guess wrong. And I think I can safely say I've partitioned & installed MDK 8.0 - 9.0 at least 20 times now. :) Yar! Just call me Queen of Linux Installations. :) > The wizard gives three options: > - erase the entire disk > - use the free space on the windoze partition > - use the windoze partition for loopback > > I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because > clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, > but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. > And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they > need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? > I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... > > ...asking too much? > > -- > Merlin Zener Hm... well expert mode is *IMO* simpler anyway. The auto partitoioning tool gives you just three partitions after slicing them out of one of your FAT32's. It will give a / (root), swap & /home partition. These are all you need to start with. More is just confusing for now. Heh again, trust me on this one. Likely it can't autoallocate b/c the thing is a FAT32 partition *and it won't delete that partition & startover w/out being told to explicitly*. Yes you need to delete one of your FATs & re-partition/re-format it as a linux partition. If you need to choose one partitioning scheme, try Ext2 or 3. Three is better IMO. Any other kind of scheme is asking for trouble. (*giggles* Who am I to talk? I tried Reiser on my second installation! But I like to play with fire... probably explains that big burn/skin graft I have on my body). Anyway... Once you pick an partitioning scheme (Ext 2 or 3), you should be able to use autoallocate. OR vice versa... I may have it backwards. Hope this helps? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello > > Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 > > To: MDK Mandrake > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question > > > > > > Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this > > week :-) > > > > 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. > > 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write > > with Windows and Mandrake. > > 3.- Install Mandrake. > > > > It is this easy. > > > > You will get a dual boot system. > > G'day, > Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from > Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: > * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL > * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition > down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". > * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured > if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't > install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" > * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 > and labelled it "archive". Linux has its own file systems (plural). For your install either - remove the linux partition with windows fdisk and leave it blank for linux to use. or - Go expert mode and remove /mnt/win_c so linux can utilize this space. > I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created > archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. > > Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security > - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. > "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: > +-++-+ > > | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | > > +-++-+ > > This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** > to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d > is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" > in the details box when I click on each partition. /mnt/nt etc. are arbitrary labels applied by linux. E: & F: are windows conventions only. This is perfectly normal. > But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. > And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to > put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. > "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" > The wizard gives three options: > - erase the entire disk > - use the free space on the windoze partition > - use the windoze partition for loopback > > I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because > clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, > but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. > And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they > need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? You are going fine, nervousness is to be expected. Linux will not use your Fat32, It will set it's own partitions in the space where /mnt/win_c (or windows E:) is, once this partition is deleted. > I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... > > ...asking too much? Just go for it! When it comes to the format step of the install you can highlight the new partitions to format. Ensure /mnt/nt and /mnt/win_d are unchecked at this stage and you will have no problems. It will also create a special tiny partition called swap that need not be formatted. I also recommend you leave the other disk in place. That way you will be able to read/write it from linux once running. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Monday 10 February 2003 09:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello > > Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 > > To: MDK Mandrake > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question > > > > > > Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this > > week :-) > > > > 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. > > 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write > > with Windows and Mandrake. > > 3.- Install Mandrake. > > > > It is this easy. > > > > You will get a dual boot system. > > G'day, > Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from > Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: > * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL > * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition > down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". > * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured > if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't > install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" > * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 > and labelled it "archive". > > I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created > archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. > > Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security > - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. > "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: > +-++-+ > > | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | > > +-++-+ > > This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** > to be confused: In linux (it's all about choice) you can call the partiutions what ever you want, but the system "needs" to see certain standard partitions. I would also suggest that you leave the 80 gig in the box, since you will want to give them "mount points" that the system will see in linux, and you would not really want to see the drive letters switched around in windoze either, (but you might anyway, since in Linux, you control the drive names, and in Uncle billy's OS he get to make the choice for you, and what he chooses is anyones guess). but you can name the partition win_e if you like, as long as you suck it up and consider that the "Expert" is pretty much equal to "custom" on the install of most Win Software, and look for the options. As long as you do not format, you will not loose any info on the ntfs or fat partitions, and when you create linux partions, they do not need / nor sould be formated via PM, just let the diskdrake part of the install do that, but do it as expert, and untill you get used to Linux and the differnet partition schemes, just go with that second 8 gigs as one big "/" partiton. > what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d > is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" > in the details box when I click on each partition. > But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. > And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to > put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. click on the red zone of that partition, that will select that partition, and get you some more choices (in expert) > "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" > The wizard gives three options: > - erase the entire disk > - use the free space on the windoze partition > - use the windoze partition for loopback > > I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because > clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, > but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. > And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they > need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? > I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... > > ...asking too much? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Monday 10 Feb 2003 2:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from > Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: > * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL > * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition > down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". > * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured > if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't > install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" > * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 > and labelled it "archive". > > I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created > archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. > > Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security > - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. > "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: > +-++-+ > > | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | > > +-++-+ > > This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** > to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d > is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" > in the details box when I click on each partition. > But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. > And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to > put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. > "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" > The wizard gives three options: > - erase the entire disk > - use the free space on the windoze partition > - use the windoze partition for loopback > > I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because > clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, > but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. > And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they > need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? > I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... > > ...asking too much? I'm not happy about what I've read here. I have had big big problems caused by installing linux between two windows partitions. My solution would be to install windows on the first 8G partition, create the big data partition next to it, and install linux on the last 8G of the drive. I think it would be much safer. You don't need to create a partition there - if you specify the manual partitioning at install you can install it to the free space, but if you need it to it can also install it in place of an existing partition. I would seriously recommend using windows fdisk or Partition Manager or whatever you prefer to make those first two partitions, simply leaving 8G unused. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello > Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 > To: MDK Mandrake > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question > > > Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this > week :-) > > 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. > 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write > with Windows and Mandrake. > 3.- Install Mandrake. > > It is this easy. > > You will get a dual boot system. > G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it "windoze". * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it "linux" * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it "archive". I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. "Setup Filesystems" shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | || | | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | | || | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say "just a guess" in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. "Auto Allocate" says: "not enough space for auto-allocating" The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on "toggle to expert mode" [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says "install here"... ...asking too much? -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Saturday 08 February 2003 04:46 am, et wrote: > On Friday 07 February 2003 08:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: > > G'day all, > > Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when > > I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to > > sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have > > the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux > > on and it won't matter if I break it:) > > But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath > > and try for a dual boot system... > > > > I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] > > with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves > > with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with > > me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav > > files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. > > > > I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to > > get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, > > just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how > > far I get :)) > > > > * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install > > Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole > > drive? > > > > * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the > > 40G, as well as the 80G? > > > > * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? > > > > Thanks in advance for the guidance... > > the install will be fine, install win2k as Fat and not ntfs on the first > partition of the drive and linux will be able to read and write them, > (about 1/2 of the drive), after completly setup win2k, then boot from the > cd with Mandrake, and allow it the rest of the hard drive and pick the > "expert" install, chose at least 3 gigs as / and a swap about 2 times as > much as the amount of system mem, up to about 300 megs /home to be about 2 > gigs, as a file system use either ext2 or ext3 or if you have a problem > with power or unexpected shutdowns use Reiserfs, but without added > software, win2k will never know there is an install of Linux and will not > be able to read and write them. > Linux plays nice with everybody and works correctly. > M$win does NOT play nice with anyone not from their family and does not > really work "correctly" IMHO There is really no need to use PM--just partition/format half the drive for win2K and install and mandrake will happily configure itself for the other half. As ed said, use FAT32 for maximum utility of windows to linux and vice-versa file exchange (managed by linux). Mandrake has its own partition manager called diskdrake which you will see during install if you choose to customize the linux partitions. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this week :-) 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write with Windows and Mandrake. 3.- Install Mandrake. It is this easy. You will get a dual boot system. On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:23, Antonio Contreras wrote: > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~leblancj/labs/lin_win2k_dual_boot.html > > Follow the instructions, you won't go wrong. The only thing is that the NTFS > restriction he talks about is no longer there, as my system testifies! > > Or you can do things a little different, as I did. > throw in a little of this below > http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/multiboot/linux_win2k_fix.htm > > and you get my method (abbreviated, read the links above, take your time, and > it will be fine): > > Install Linux first. -- first non-standard approach! > > Create 1st partition, bootable, win2k (inyour case, 20 gigs if you want a > clean splie), NTFS worked fine. > > Create all other partitions after that, including a /boot right after the > win2k partition > > Continue installing linux.. MAKE A BOOT DISK > > reboot when done, install win2k > > reboot using boot disk > > in linux, find out the partition name of your boot mount (here I assume > dev/hda) > > dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 to create the file > bootsect.lnx, and copy it to a floppy. > > Boot to windows > > Edit c:\boot.ini and add an entry for Linux: C:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" > > Copy bootsect.lnx from floppy to c:\ > > Reboot. First option, from the windows boot loader, allows you to go to win2k > or linux. > If you go to linux, you get the standard options (Linux, secure, floppy... you > know) which is a pain when you just want to get there, so you can remove the > prompt altogether. > > Hope this helps. If not, there's always Google :) > > > Examples: > My boot.ini > [boot loader] > timeout=5 > default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT > [operating systems] > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Windows 2000" /fastdetect > c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux Mandrake 9.0 (ButtMunch)" > > (always find the monikers funny, and this one tickles my wife) > > > > > On Friday 07 February 2003 07:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: > > G'day all, > > Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when > > I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to > > sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have > > the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux > > on and it won't matter if I break it:) > > But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath > > and try for a dual boot system... > > > > I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] > > with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves > > with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with > > me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav > > files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. > > > > I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to > > get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, > > just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how > > far I get :)) > > > > * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install > > Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole > > drive? > > > > * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the > > 40G, as well as the 80G? > > > > * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? > > > > Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~leblancj/labs/lin_win2k_dual_boot.html Follow the instructions, you won't go wrong. The only thing is that the NTFS restriction he talks about is no longer there, as my system testifies! Or you can do things a little different, as I did. throw in a little of this below http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/multiboot/linux_win2k_fix.htm and you get my method (abbreviated, read the links above, take your time, and it will be fine): Install Linux first. -- first non-standard approach! Create 1st partition, bootable, win2k (inyour case, 20 gigs if you want a clean splie), NTFS worked fine. Create all other partitions after that, including a /boot right after the win2k partition Continue installing linux.. MAKE A BOOT DISK reboot when done, install win2k reboot using boot disk in linux, find out the partition name of your boot mount (here I assume dev/hda) dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 to create the file bootsect.lnx, and copy it to a floppy. Boot to windows Edit c:\boot.ini and add an entry for Linux: C:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" Copy bootsect.lnx from floppy to c:\ Reboot. First option, from the windows boot loader, allows you to go to win2k or linux. If you go to linux, you get the standard options (Linux, secure, floppy... you know) which is a pain when you just want to get there, so you can remove the prompt altogether. Hope this helps. If not, there's always Google :) Examples: My boot.ini [boot loader] timeout=5 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Windows 2000" /fastdetect c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux Mandrake 9.0 (ButtMunch)" (always find the monikers funny, and this one tickles my wife) On Friday 07 February 2003 07:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: > G'day all, > Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when > I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to > sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have > the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux > on and it won't matter if I break it:) > But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath > and try for a dual boot system... > > I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] > with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves > with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with > me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav > files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. > > I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to > get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, > just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how > far I get :)) > > * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install > Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole > drive? > > * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the > 40G, as well as the 80G? > > * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? > > Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- A. Contreras My C&R webpages: http://www.elnonio.dns04.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Friday 07 February 2003 08:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: > G'day all, > Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when > I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to > sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have > the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux > on and it won't matter if I break it:) > But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath > and try for a dual boot system... > > I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] > with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves > with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with > me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav > files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. > > I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to > get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, > just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how > far I get :)) > > * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install > Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole > drive? > > * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the > 40G, as well as the 80G? > > * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? > > Thanks in advance for the guidance... the install will be fine, install win2k as Fat and not ntfs on the first partition of the drive and linux will be able to read and write them, (about 1/2 of the drive), after completly setup win2k, then boot from the cd with Mandrake, and allow it the rest of the hard drive and pick the "expert" install, chose at least 3 gigs as / and a swap about 2 times as much as the amount of system mem, up to about 300 megs /home to be about 2 gigs, as a file system use either ext2 or ext3 or if you have a problem with power or unexpected shutdowns use Reiserfs, but without added software, win2k will never know there is an install of Linux and will not be able to read and write them. Linux plays nice with everybody and works correctly. M$win does NOT play nice with anyone not from their family and does not really work "correctly" IMHO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
Merlin; Having done exactly what you want to do hundreds of times for clients, I can give you this advice. First, Set up an 8 or 10 Gb partition for Win2K. Even at 8 Gb's you're using a lot! Unless you plan on installing every single application known to man, 8 Gigs is plenty! Use the same amount for Linux. Then use the remaining space on the drive to store all your data, ie; documents, mp3's, DVX, etc. Format the last section as FAT32, and both O/S'es will see it. Try for something like this; 1) 8 Gigs for Win2K - NTFS 2) 8 Gigs for Mandrake - which get's split into 3 basic partitions during a basic install - /, swap, and home. 3) remaining 24 Gigs (approximately), formatted as FAT32 4) When you're naming the partitions - whether you're in Windows or Linux, name the last partition as "Archive" (in Win2K) and "/Archive" in Linux. 5) Once you have Win2K setup with the username you prefer, right-click the "My Documents" folder on your desktop, and select "move". Then re-Map it to your Archive partition, making sure that you have a "My Documents" folder waiting there. 6) from that point on you can tell your office suites, and download managers, etc. to use Archive as your data storage point, and they will always use it by default. 7) You can also do the exact same procedure in Linux. 8) Use the Win2K - NTFS partition (C:\) to install applications, Games, etc., but store ALL your data on Archive. Both O/S'es will have no problem accessing your data, documents, MP3's, etc., and you'll still have a whack of room left on your 80 Gig drive as well. Install Win2K first, and let Mandrake provide the boot manager - Grub or Lilo (your choice)when you install it second, and everything will work fine. If you need more help, contact me off-list. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/7/2003 at 8:03 PM Merlin Zener wrote: >G'day all, >Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when >I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to >sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have >the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux >on and it won't matter if I break it:) >But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath >and try for a dual boot system... > >I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] >with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves >with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with >me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav >files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. > >I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to >get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, >just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how >far I get :)) > >* If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install > Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole > drive? > >* How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the > 40G, as well as the 80G? > >* oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? > >Thanks in advance for the guidance... > >-- >Merlin Zener >piano and synthesizer >Pattaya, Thailand. >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible "gotcha's" to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Keith wrote: > > Buy & back up to another HDD..They are CHEAP now adays... > > On Thursday 02 January 2003 09:59 pm, you wrote: > > Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows > > partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up > > that much data > > > > - Mark > > > > Keith wrote: > > > > >Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders Yes! Personally, I generally use a dual boot drive. When I want to try something -- update/upgrade, or anything risky -- I first clone the drive and try the update, etc. on that. If anything goes wrong I still have the original drive. DriveCopy, or one of the other cloners, makes a great "backup." Bob > > > > > >On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > > >>I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > > >>before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > > >>be screwed. > > >> > > >>- Mark > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Title: Message I have done this several times without any problem. Adolfo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark MitchellSent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:11 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot UpgradeIf I do a clean install and format my Linux partitions will I still be able to boot the windows 2000 partition through LILO?- MarkAnne Wilson wrote: On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
> >Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders > > > >On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > >>I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > >>I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > >>before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > >>be screwed. > >> > >>- Mark back up is not something you do once before you screw with things, like saving documents you are working on, it is something to be done often. that said you will not have any problem with the M$ partitions as long as you do an expert install and do not screw with any fat or ntfs partitions. I boot, WinME (hda1), MDK 7.0 to 9.0 (clean installs across 2 harddrives,hda5 for /home, hda6 for/, hda7 for swap, and hdc5 fat data, hdc6 for /var) and hda8 has Win2k. lilo sees the win2k bootloader as "windows" and then I choose either win2k or winMe. never a problem since Lilo overcame the 1024 cyl limit. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Buy & back up to another HDD..They are CHEAP now adays... On Thursday 02 January 2003 09:59 pm, you wrote: > Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows > partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up > that much data > > - Mark > > Keith wrote: > > >Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders > > > >On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > > > > > >>I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > >>I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > >>before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > >>be screwed. > >> > >>- Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
It's your choice, either remove lilo with the dos switch in which case your left with w2k's own boot loader or leave lilo in place (it sits in the mbr) either way when you come to install mandrake a new lilo will be written. John Mark Mitchell wrote: If I do a clean install and format my Linux partitions will I still be able to boot the windows 2000 partition through LILO? - Mark Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. Anne -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Don't see why not. I used to have W2K and Mdk 8.2 on this box and could boot to either from lilo. Anne On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:11 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > If I do a clean install and format my Linux partitions will I still be > able to boot the windows 2000 partition through LILO? > > - Mark > > Anne Wilson wrote: > >On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: > >>I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > >>I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > >>before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > >>be screwed. > >> > >>- Mark > > > >Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - > > > >You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that > > dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. > > > >Anne > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Before you do anything I would go ahead and use Symantec Ghost 2003 and back up the windows 2000 partition. You might be able to back up the Mandrake 8.0 with Ghost 2003 read the documentation Kenneth E. Spress[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because,you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketersrequesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept mysincerest apologies and reply with "remove" in the subject field.I will remove your name immediately!== Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at:http://www.alternacast.comEZHelp, You & More Show Infohttp://learn.at/ezhelphttp://go.to/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiamYahoo: kspressMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 19870108 You Finally Have A Choice In Local Telephone Service Ask Me How.[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mark Mitchell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade If I do a clean install and format my Linux partitions will I still be able to boot the windows 2000 partition through LILO?- MarkAnne Wilson wrote: On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
If I do a clean install and format my Linux partitions will I still be able to boot the windows 2000 partition through LILO? - Mark Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
And tar does do volumes. On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:01, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > I haven't had any troubles installing Mandrake on a disk with an existing > Windows 2000 NTFS partition. It was very clean. Obviously, you want to take > your time and be very careful. > > On a side note, I would never have tried it even once without my important > data backed up. I'd seriously think about finding some way to save that > data. You say you have no way of backing up that much data right after you > say that you can't afford to lose it. Can you afford 30 bucks and some time > for a burner and a stack of cds? A second HD wouldn't be too much, and > you'd have some quick and easy insurance. And a tape backup unit would be > even better, but they're pretty pricey. So it's like the mechanic said, > "Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick two." > > On a side note to a side note, I know some people are right now have > figured that it would take about 80 650MB CDs to do this, and then figuring > out that how much time that would take. But that answer doesn't mean > anything until it's compared to the time of recreating that 50GB worth of > data from scratch. > > Anyway, hope it goes well for you. > > .02 > ~Brandon > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Mitchell > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade > > > Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows > partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up that > much data > > - Mark > > Keith wrote: > > Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders > > On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > be screwed. > > - Mark -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
On Friday 03 Jan 2003 2:49 am, Mark Mitchell wrote: > I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > be screwed. > > - Mark Others deal with the upgrade issue. Just to add my 2p worth - You wouldn't try to upgrade, would you? Most people have found that dodgy. A clean install is to be preferred. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
I haven't had any troubles installing Mandrake on a disk with an existing Windows 2000 NTFS partition. It was very clean. Obviously, you want to take your time and be very careful. On a side note, I would never have tried it even once without my important data backed up. I'd seriously think about finding some way to save that data. You say you have no way of backing up that much data right after you say that you can't afford to lose it. Can you afford 30 bucks and some time for a burner and a stack of cds? A second HD wouldn't be too much, and you'd have some quick and easy insurance. And a tape backup unit would be even better, but they're pretty pricey. So it's like the mechanic said, "Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick two." On a side note to a side note, I know some people are right now have figured that it would take about 80 650MB CDs to do this, and then figuring out that how much time that would take. But that answer doesn't mean anything until it's compared to the time of recreating that 50GB worth of data from scratch. Anyway, hope it goes well for you. .02 ~Brandon -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark MitchellSent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up that much data- MarkKeith wrote: Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up that much data - Mark Keith wrote: Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: > I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 > I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of > before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will > be screwed. > > - Mark > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual Boot - Win XP and Suse 7.3
Hello, I have the following situation: I upgraded to Win XP Profesional from Win Me. Before this I had my system in dual boot with Suse 73. After installing XP I lost the abillity to boot Linux Suse. Currently my C: drive is NTFS. It is there a posibility to have dual boot with XP without risking to damage the C: partition or boot sector ? If you have done it I'll be glad to hear how you solved this problem. Thanks a lot, Alex Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
FW: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
Rubbish,,, there is no reason at all not to dual boot XP and Mdk 8.2... I am doing it right now, running on my M700 compaq laptop of all places.. it was very simple to do.. 1. start with a hard disk with no partitions, (run fdisk from a win98 boot floppy and remove all partitions.) 2. Boot from the XP CD, and follow the prompts, it will ask you about creating partitions, I made 2 for windows using half the drive and left the rest of the drive unpartitioned for linux. (The first partition I selected in XP setup for format for NTFS, the second I left alone for now, (later in XP (or Mandrake) you can format that with Fat32.) 3. Finish the XP install, load all your drivers and such and bobs your uncle.. shut your machine down. 4. Boot from disk 1 of the Mandrake CD's.. (I only have download edition, and thats fine.) follow the prompts, when you get to the disk partitioning section of the mandrake install, the NTFS part of your drive will not be listed, thats great.. partiton mandrake in the rest of the drive as you would normally, and format and install, everything else you can select defaults and it will all go well.. piece of cake, (And this was the my first ever attempt at dual booting.) my partition structure looks like this: 6.4 gig hard disk. (measurements approx.) part 1. => 4 Gig NTFS for XP. Part 2. => 400MB Fat32. (so both linux and XP can share files in here.) part 3. => 150mb Linux Swap. (I have 280mb of ram, so the swap is small.) part 4. => EXT3 / partition. (under two gig so I don't split / up any more) give it a go, its easy... rgds Franki. PS,,, remember, you must install XP first... MUST!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP Scott wrote: >I've been looking all over for info about dual booting M 8.2 and windows XP. >The different stuff I've found doesn't seem very consistent. Can anyone help >me out or point me to a good tutorial? >Thanks, >SW > > > > > > Firstly the boxed versions usually come with all the relevant stuff you need. You might consider buying one from mandrake store if you havene't already. Otherwise why don't you list your problems here on this list. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
On Wednesday 31 July 2002 13:06, Anand wrote: > I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends > on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed > Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions > (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any > problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up > loosing my windows. Well, you might be right, I don't know, simply because I have not tried it. I can tell you I have done two machines dual booting XP with NTFS and Linux (1 machine Mandrake, 1 machine SuSE), and it works fine if you install XP first, keep your Linux on hdb, and put lilo in the mbr. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
Hi, I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up loosing my windows. I then had to load lilo from XP bootloader (After reinstalling XP ofcourse). Please correct me if I am wrong. Anand On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Tuesday 30 July 2002 09:06 am, Scott wrote: > > I'm still confused on the same point: > Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes > from the > linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people > seem > to be saying that linux will "sort out the booting" and never mention > copying > the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
I have XP on NTFS on my laptop along with linux 8.2, I have loaded all the updates for XP, I have defragged and use it every day in either XP or 8.2 guise, and have not had a problem.. so maybe it only happens on specific hardware.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anand Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion Hi, I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up loosing my windows. I then had to load lilo from XP bootloader (After reinstalling XP ofcourse). Please correct me if I am wrong. Anand On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Tuesday 30 July 2002 09:06 am, Scott wrote: > > I'm still confused on the same point: > Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes > from the > linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people > seem > to be saying that linux will "sort out the booting" and never mention > copying > the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
Felix Underhill wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm still confused on the same point: >> Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes >> from the linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. >> Other people seem to be saying that linux will "sort out the booting" >> and never mention copying the boot record or editing bootlaoder >> config files. Which is right? >> Thanks, >> SW >> > I've run XP Pro and Mandrake 8.2 on the same drive with no problems. I > installed XP first by assigning it half of my drive. Then I setup 8.2 > on the other half. When I boot up the system, the bootloader (I > presume to be lilo, not grub) shows me several options. These include > the various linux types and NT. I choose NT if I want XP and it loads > up as usual. :) > > D Urgh! An XP installation behind a linux installation can do interesting and destructive things to disk. Check the expert archives for about the last two weeks, under my name. An XP update can do nasty things to a linux install. The EULA you click agreement on with XP gives Microsoft the right to disable non-MS software on your disk. Norton Antivirus will wipe out a linux install unrecoverably if you install on FAT32 for linux (just don't do it, ext2 or ext3 or any of the journaling filesystems work better. Trend ChipAway Antivirus in the BIOS will shriek about LILO in the boot sector if you leave it enabled. This can set up a situation where you cannot force a reboot remotely because Trend is screaming waiting for a key to be pressed. (And there were a few BIOSes where I had to hand-code to turn it off because the BIOS did not offer the option--so I had to copy it out and flash it back after deleting the enabling code for Trend, an activity that did not make me a fan of (anti)virus writers. Well replacing the link with a No-op... Anyway, people seem to be having more success with XP on one disk and Mandrake on another, with the bootloader pointers in the Master Boot Record on the XP disk (which must be first or the wimpy op system called XP sulks and refuses to work). Now for my personal experience. Someone tanked 98 and his hdd and most of his Mobo (I saved the memory) and all his power supply AND his HDD by setting up for 220V and plugging in. He asked me to fix the mess--so he had his case and his old SDRAM and he could not find 98, and I could not find a 98 replacement that would work satisfactorily with PowerDVD (he had zapped his Hollywood card and lost the little cable that went from AGP to it as well). I installed XP Home edition on 10 G of his new disk with his new mobo and new CPU. It worked. On the other 10G I threw on 8.2 Download (And he has since bought himself Prosuite since he had a DVD drive which survived). So far, so good. 8.2 is running on ext2 because I saw no reason to slow it down with ext3, and the updates have not killed it yet. I set up a test install on the defaced Barbie(tm) computer I have and it worked for XP and also for 8.2, but there was an errata on that one about making the usbmouse continue to work--On 8.2. Another Person had a Dell Dimension running 98. He loaded an XP Update and put his system out of access. It refused to recognize either one of his Microsoft natural Internet Keyboard and Microsoft Optical Intellimouse. Well he now had 4G of music he had actually paid for the privilege of downloading he could not access and he sent up a flare. I added a temporary HDD, installed 8.1 on it, booted, scooped his files to that disk then used fdisk to wipe his XP install. He was now out on the order of $295 to Microsoft for their tech assistance over the phone plus an additional $48 for the phone calls (mostly waiting time), but he did manage to return XP for a refund. He dual-boots 98 and 8.2 Prosuite on his Machine today and spends almost all of his time in WindowMaker with several tens of megs of WM themes he has downloaded. Even his sound is played through linux. I set up a temporary test system using XP Pro on an ASUS A7N266-VM with a 40G hda and a 20Ghdc and a CDRW/DVD all in a rather small desktop case. XP had 15 G of hda, /boot and /iso took up a little less than 5G and the rest was a RAID0 array for /, /usr, /home, /var, /opt, and /spare, testing JFS, XFS, Reiserfs, and ext3. I never used XP much and removed it shortly after completing testing, but it never did me wrong. Now there was another test--I had a blank front-end on a 60G disk and it was paired with a 40G on an old Matsonic VIA KT133A/686B I used the XP CD for formatting the FAT32 into an NTFS partition to find the means of mounting it from 8.2. That was an Oops--my partitions had not been in disk number order and XP decided to do something about that without informaing me. Of course /etc/fstab was not changed so my next linux boot executed a swapon on my /var partition and complained that it couldn't find a valid superblock on my o
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
> > > >I'm still confused on the same point: >Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes from the >linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people seem >to be saying that linux will "sort out the booting" and never mention copying >the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? >Thanks, >SW > I've run XP Pro and Mandrake 8.2 on the same drive with no problems. I installed XP first by assigning it half of my drive. Then I setup 8.2 on the other half. When I boot up the system, the bootloader (I presume to be lilo, not grub) shows me several options. These include the various linux types and NT. I choose NT if I want XP and it loads up as usual. :) D > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
On Tuesday 30 July 2002 09:06 am, you wrote: > On Tuesday 30 July 2002 02:00 am, Kenneth wrote: > > I recommend not dual booting XP and Mandrake.. You have to remember > > Microsoft is not too friendly.. I had a hard enough time with Windows > > ME and Mandrake 8.2 > > In the case of Mandrake 8.1, I am dual booting with XP with no problems > at all. Setting it up was as easy as can be when installing Mandrake. I > have two separate drives, one for Mandrake and one for XP. > > > Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 > KDE 2.2.1KMail 1.3.1 > > Bryan S. Tyson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'm still confused on the same point: Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes from the linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people seem to be saying that linux will "sort out the booting" and never mention copying the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Thanks, SW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot??
Charles P. Conrad wrote: > I presently am dual booting Win98SE and Win2K on a 9 or 10GB HDD. I > also have a 40GB drive with apps and data, partitioned into 9 1/2 GB > chunks. > > I like Win2K, but it will be my last M$ OS (XP turns me off and > Palladium scares me) and would like to replace 98SE, which is on the > C: portion of the small HDD and is 2.92GB, with Mandrake 8.2, which a > friend with DSL burned the 3 ISOs to CD for me. > > As most of E: is devoted to 98 apps and data, that would eventually > become available for Mandrake use also. > > Everything is FAT32. > > The default boot is 98SE on start-up, unless I use the arrow key to > select 2000. > > I have 1.03GB free space on the C: drive. > > It's an old home made box with dual Pentium Pro 200s on an Intel > PR440FX mobo and 192MB RAM. > > Based on what I've seen on this list in just a few days, I don't even > qualify as a "newbie." Can anyone direct me to where I can get the > info I need to accomplish my goal of replacing 98 with Mandrake or > utilizing the free GB I have on the C: drive to add 8.2? > > TIA. > > > Chuck Conrad > Fort Lauderdale, FL > > You have ample harddrive space, adequate ram though not ample,the processor is ok,although things will be slow, but no reason why it should not work.I'm not familiar with your mobo. Chuck , unless you really need it dump w98, make W2k your first partition, and this is what your MBR will be associated with, but put W2k on a NTFS file system, not fat32 which is really old hat. You will notice the better stability right away. After that comes your linux partitions, there are a number of choices. If this is your first Linux OS install and you definately do not want to add any other linux OS's in the near future, then your harddrive should look something like this , W2k(on NTFS) partition , Mandrake base / partition, /Swap partition If on the otherhand you do plan additional Linux OS's then, W2k(on NTFS) partition ,/boot partition , Mandrake base / partition, /Swap partition All linux partitions in ext2. file system. After these you can add any further partitions for backup purposes. The boot loader is called LILO (Linux Loader) and will be installed in your MBR, in chain loader fashion, which means lilo will boot the linux OS's and then pass the job over to Windblows boot loader to boot windblows. The size of the partitions is your choice, I have 4.5 gigs for w2k which is ample. Linux /boot needs perhaps 100mb Mandrake base / perhaps 4.5gigs /swap perhaps 250mb (1 1/2 to 2 x ram) Good luck. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot??
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:32:48 -0400 "Charles P. Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I presently am dual booting Win98SE and Win2K on a 9 or 10GB HDD. I also > have a 40GB drive with apps and data, partitioned into 9 1/2 GB chunks. > > I like Win2K, but it will be my last M$ OS (XP turns me off and Palladium > scares me) and would like to replace 98SE, which is on the C: portion of > the small HDD and is 2.92GB, with Mandrake 8.2, which a friend with DSL > burned the 3 ISOs to CD for me. > > As most of E: is devoted to 98 apps and data, that would eventually become > available for Mandrake use also. > > Everything is FAT32. > > The default boot is 98SE on start-up, unless I use the arrow key to select > 2000. > > I have 1.03GB free space on the C: drive. well, i assume you know how to make partitions to a drive ;oP anyway, have you booted the CD's? do it just to see how the installation's first screens look. i guess you can say i was a bit suicidal, but the first time i installed linux in my life, it was a Mandrake 7.1 CD i got with a magazine. i installed with 0 help, 0 manuals, just reading the buttons' captions, the 'help' text shown in the screen during the installation, and a couple of trial-and-error installs ;o) really, installing Linux is no harder than Win98 or 2K, in fact, it may be even easier. just a couple of warnings: 1- make backups before starting the installation. and defrag all your harddrives ( go into defrag's options and click NOT to arrange apps so they start up faster. Do this so the data is well arranged in the drive and the partitions can be resized more easily) you see, Linux can be installed on FAT32 ( or so i heard around here) but it's really not the right thing to do. you are going to have to delete/resize some of your partitions and create new ones for linux. ( Mandrake's installation program includes a 'select partition' stage which will let you do all kinds of operations on your partitions without hassle, and it's quite easy to use. ) and 2- don't select the 'newbie' kind of installation, as it takes care of the partitioning automatically and may end up overwriting partitions that are valuable to you. choose the 'expert' one. .. well, there's really not much left unless you feel like posting back with more questions.. good luck. Damian -- Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual Boot??
I presently am dual booting Win98SE and Win2K on a 9 or 10GB HDD. I also have a 40GB drive with apps and data, partitioned into 9 1/2 GB chunks. I like Win2K, but it will be my last M$ OS (XP turns me off and Palladium scares me) and would like to replace 98SE, which is on the C: portion of the small HDD and is 2.92GB, with Mandrake 8.2, which a friend with DSL burned the 3 ISOs to CD for me. As most of E: is devoted to 98 apps and data, that would eventually become available for Mandrake use also. Everything is FAT32. The default boot is 98SE on start-up, unless I use the arrow key to select 2000. I have 1.03GB free space on the C: drive. It's an old home made box with dual Pentium Pro 200s on an Intel PR440FX mobo and 192MB RAM. Based on what I've seen on this list in just a few days, I don't even qualify as a "newbie." Can anyone direct me to where I can get the info I need to accomplish my goal of replacing 98 with Mandrake or utilizing the free GB I have on the C: drive to add 8.2? TIA. Chuck Conrad Fort Lauderdale, FL --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
I recommend not dual booting XP and Mandrake.. You have to remember Microsoft is not too friendly.. I had a hard enough time with Windows ME and Mandrake 8.2 Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with "remove" in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You & More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 - Original Message - From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP > I've been looking all over for info about dual booting M 8.2 and windows XP. > The different stuff I've found doesn't seem very consistent. Can anyone help > me out or point me to a good tutorial? > Thanks, > SW > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
I've been looking all over for info about dual booting M 8.2 and windows XP. The different stuff I've found doesn't seem very consistent. Can anyone help me out or point me to a good tutorial? Thanks, SW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot with XP
Norman Zhang wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary >disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot >1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini >to make it boot for both OS? > >Regards, >Norman > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Put the boot record on the MBR. Easiest way is to use one CD to run Update, and cancel everything but bootloader then let it put the boot record where it belongs. It works fine dual-booting from there without disturbing the other OS. Of course if you reinstall the other OS you will need to use CD1 as a rescue to get back into linuc and re-run /sbin/lilo. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] dual boot with XP
you have to put /boot on /dev/hda, I put my in the first 150mb of my hard disk and then I created a Partition for Windows XP about 5gb and then the rest is for Linux / /home /var /swap /tmp etc... and then I use LILO as my boot manager. Also make sure you use FDISK to make the 150mb partition active or else LILO won't load. At least this is what I had to do. As for editing the boot.ini As 'root', edit '/etc/lilo.conf': the first line of lilo.conf reads boot=hda, change the 'hda' to where ever the '/boot' partition is located (find out with mount). Run lilo Make a copy of the new boot sector with dd if=/dev/hda[x] bs=512 count=1 of=linux.lnx Note: 'hda[x]' is whatever the '/boot' partition is. Copy linux.lnx to the windows 'C: drive' cp linux.lnx /mnt/windows_c Modify the 'boot.ini' on the 'C: drive' by appending a line for Mandrake pointing to the location of the copied LILO boot sector: [boot loader] timeout=5 default=C:\ [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro" /fastdetect C:\= "Microsoft Windows 98se" C:\Linux.lnx="Mandrake 8.0" Reboot. Login to Win98SE. Open a command line window and run: fdisk /mbr to restore the Windows boot sector. -Original Message----- From: Norman Zhang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] dual boot with XP Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot with XP
Norman, You don't need to edit boot.ini LILO will boot XP for you. Did you install XP first or second? If Linux went in last, your boot loader install should have given you a lilo entry for both XP and Linux. If this isn't the case (sounds like it), then you can either add whatever lilo entries are not there manually and then run lilo as root, or you can boot off the install cd again, select expert and upgrade, and let the installer fix it for you. Here is my /etc/lilo.conf in case you want to do it the first way: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=50 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda6 append=" hdc=ide-scsi devfs=nomount quiet" vga=788 read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=windoze table=/dev/hda This is for 8.1, so devfs is switched off. You will probably want to leave it on with 8.2 All you need is two entries like those above pointing as the right partitions and you will be in business. HTH Brian On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 17:48, Norman Zhang wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary > disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot > 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini > to make it boot for both OS? > > Regards, > Norman > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] dual boot with XP
Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
AW: [newbie] Dual boot problems
what do you mean w/ 'on the same disk' ? do you have different partitions ? or did you install win98 and linux and exactly the same partition ? - keep the X in your system - -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2002 14:38 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [newbie] Dual boot problems I recently got Mandrake 8.1 standard edition, having read it was good for those with absolutely no idea about linux, like me. I installed it alongside my usual Windows 98 on the same hard disk, and although the bootloader menu shows Windows I can't boot into it; the screen reads "Loading Windows" and just hangs. I tried booting from a floppy to get into DOS but the same thing happened. I made a boot floppy from within linux and it booted from that OK, but it just gave me a boot: prompt which I didn't know how to use. I have a partitioning program but that boots from a floppy, which I can't do. What's going on? Help! Thanks Rob -- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot problems
I recently got Mandrake 8.1 standard edition, having read it was good for those with absolutely no idea about linux, like me. I installed it alongside my usual Windows 98 on the same hard disk, and although the bootloader menu shows Windows I can't boot into it; the screen reads "Loading Windows" and just hangs. I tried booting from a floppy to get into DOS but the same thing happened. I made a boot floppy from within linux and it booted from that OK, but it just gave me a boot: prompt which I didn't know how to use. I have a partitioning program but that boots from a floppy, which I can't do. What's going on? Help! Thanks Rob -- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot restore
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Michael Scottaline wrote: > On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:59:14 -0500 (EST) > JOHN HEMMER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration: > > > > >I have a dual boot system. Windows on the first partition > >and the Linux and Swap partitions follow. I had to reformat > >and reinstall the Windows-98 partition; what else is new! > > > >Anyway, when I use to reboot the computer it would boot > >the Linux system; unless "windows" was typed at the boot > >prompt. Now it only boots Windows, unless I have the Linux > >dual boot floppy in the floppy drive. > > > >How do I get my dual boot to work off the Hard drive without > >having to reinstall Linux. > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > === > As root, go to a terminal and type "/sbin/lilo" w/o the quotes. that > *should* fix things for you. Windows wiped out you boot partition. > Surprised?? > > Mike > Mike, That was easy! Thank you very much. No, I am not suprised, windows wipes itself out all the time. The only reason I restored was because Road-Runner would not set up their bad modem in Linux. Thanks again! John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot restore
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:59:14 -0500 (EST) JOHN HEMMER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration: > >I have a dual boot system. Windows on the first partition >and the Linux and Swap partitions follow. I had to reformat >and reinstall the Windows-98 partition; what else is new! > >Anyway, when I use to reboot the computer it would boot >the Linux system; unless "windows" was typed at the boot >prompt. Now it only boots Windows, unless I have the Linux >dual boot floppy in the floppy drive. > >How do I get my dual boot to work off the Hard drive without >having to reinstall Linux. > >Thanks, > >John === As root, go to a terminal and type "/sbin/lilo" w/o the quotes. that *should* fix things for you. Windows wiped out you boot partition. Surprised?? Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot restore
I have a dual boot system. Windows on the first partition and the Linux and Swap partitions follow. I had to reformat and reinstall the Windows-98 partition; what else is new! Anyway, when I use to reboot the computer it would boot the Linux system; unless "windows" was typed at the boot prompt. Now it only boots Windows, unless I have the Linux dual boot floppy in the floppy drive. How do I get my dual boot to work off the Hard drive without having to reinstall Linux. Thanks, John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
On Friday 07 December 2001 11:10, you wrote: > Dear All, > > I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot > with Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows > first, however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if > I use the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. > > Sincerely, > > Marcia Be sure to have a prepared and pre-formatted DOS or vfat partition ready on hda (primary IDE). Not extended, but primary DOS, otherwise Windblow$ will reformat your entire drive including the Linux partition if you give it half a chance. Imho easiest way: Stick in a new (physical) drive, set it to first IDE in your bios... Install Winblow$ therethen change the disks around (making the linux disk first again)... boot Linux and add Windblow$ to lilo or grub as '/dev/hdc1'.Done:) The disk-changing can best done through your BIOS- you don't have to open your case. Be sure to have a boot floppy around any which way:) You never know! Good Luck, Harm Bathoorn. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
Sorry to post this way , but you could use FIPS! any problems or queries , feel free to contact myself directly if you wish. Will help as muuch as i can Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ed Tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1 > On Friday 07 December 2001 05:10, you wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot > > with Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows > > first, however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if > > I use the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Marcia > you could do it with a linux boot disk, just install winders (but don't allow > a reformat of the entire drive, just the fat32 portion), boot into linux as > root in a console, type lilo. should find and setup all the partitions for > the next boot. it is improtant to know all the drive letters in both linux > and M$win. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:10:37 -0500 Marcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot with > Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows first, > however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if I use > the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. > As long as you set it up correctly SC will have no problems, either partitioning or booting the installed OSes. I have SC installed on 3 multi boot system, all with 1 version or other of Win and various Linux distros as well as BeOS. If you would like more details you are welcome to contact me off-list. Unless it is something for which you can use only Win 95 I would strongly suggest that you use either 98 or 2000 instead. As of Dec. 17 mickey soft will no longer over Any type of support for Win95, No Windows update, no nothing. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
On Friday 07 December 2001 05:10, you wrote: > Dear All, > > I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot > with Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows > first, however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if > I use the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. > > Sincerely, > > Marcia you could do it with a linux boot disk, just install winders (but don't allow a reformat of the entire drive, just the fat32 portion), boot into linux as root in a console, type lilo. should find and setup all the partitions for the next boot. it is improtant to know all the drive letters in both linux and M$win. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
I too am a System Commander fan, (have been for years) and tried to use it to boot Mandrake 8.1 along with Win98 and Win2000. I had the MS OSs loaded first, however, and tried to load Mandrake afterwards. The results were disastrous: I lost both MS installations as Mandrakes's installer insisted on destroying the partition table. Ironically, SC has been so reliable for me in the past that I'm not familiar with the recovery tools, and was unable to recover. The other challenge is that with System Commander one needs to set up the Linux boot record in a "superblock" on the /boot partition, but the Mandrake installer insisted on installing LILO or GRUB and stuffing the boot block into the hda MBR, which is a bad thing. The 8.1 installer is really badly broken. I confess I have neither the expertise nor the time to navigated around those problems, and went back to the latest version of Red Hat, whose installer is not mindlessly bent on destroying all other OSs on the disk. Red Hat and System Commander work well together. For you, Marcia, I suspect that SC will happily do the job, transferring the LILO or GRUB MBR record into it's own data structure. You must of course have space for another FAT or FAT32 primary partition (which Win98 and SC both need). I'd recommend you upgrade to SC7 if you haven't already - there are improved partition-wrangling features you'll like, plus a slightly nicer GUI, if you care about such things. If someone can help Marcia and I out on these issues we'd both be most grateful. julian. = At 05:10 AM 12/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot with >Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows first, >however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if I use >the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. > >Sincerely, > >Marcia > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com == Julian A. Opificius. 802 Fawn Road, Elk River, MN 55330. Home: 763.441.1291, Cell: 763.360.5919 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3268206 == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot with Windows 95 & LM 8.1
Dear All, I am considering either going with vmware in Linux or doing a dual boot with Win95 and LM 8.1. I know that everyone says to always install Windows first, however may I install it now somehow without erasing my Linux 8.1 if I use the great partition tool System Commander? Thanks for the help. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:41:40 +0200 civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 > > From: Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 > > > > Doug Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running > > > dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a > > > digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC > > > came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed > > > it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell > > > - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which > > > brings me to the question: > > > > > > Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed > > > over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? > > > She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I > > > have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be > > > newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? > > > > 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. > > I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. > > BUT!! > > The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come > > pre-installed. > > If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. > > It works very well and is easy to use. > > If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess > > the ability of PM. > > Just do a google search for partitioning programs. > > > > A side note on XP. > > Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version > > marketed as Home/Desktop. > > > > > >Charles > > If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ > chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard > disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ > problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without > disturbing XP. PM 7.0 is MS certified for XP and Can resize such partitions. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
I don't really understand microsofts thinking on that one..
Since we know that unix and linux (mostly unix) hold a large portion of the
high end server market, wouldn't it make sense for M$ to make ntfs read and
writable by unix/linux? seems that there would be alot of sysadmins who have
server farms of unix machines who would not let the bean counters try XP or
2000 on servers (not that they should anyway...)
The pain that non readable/writable would cause for things like unified
backup and stuff would be a complete pain in the ass...
dumb decision that one,, then again, who can honestly say that they are
surprised...
If someone asked M$ why, they'd say that the recommended method involves
bining the unix, installing 2000 or XP on everything, get 50 extra servers
to do the same work as the unix systems and use M$ Task scheduler to
schedule reboots every 5 hours under load... (or not under load, much the
same with M$ on servers...) (I know cos we have a couple,,, I loaded a
software firewall on one of ours, just for some extra piece of mind, (its
also behind other firewalls) and the 2000 machine core dumps on a regular
basis, when the firewall is loaded, yet the same firewall runs perfectly on
win2000pro. its almost like win2000 server doesnt want protection.. ) The
firewall was Tiny Firewall for anyones interest... I put it on more for the
checksom on files more then the firewall itself but I can't use either
without a core dump... bloody Winblows!!!
just my rambling for the evening... :-)
rgds
Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 11:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Sherman
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:59, Dave Sherman wrote:
> On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote:
> > Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed
> > over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows
> > partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with
> > XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition
> > will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it?
>
> To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have
> no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing
> filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a
> system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem
> ("NT-formatted", since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know
> if DiskDrake can play with NTFS.
>
> I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16
> partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS,
> and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get
> your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this.
>
> Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16
> option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to
> handle FAT32.
>
> Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it,
> you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support
> in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only
> including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this
> means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save
> files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with
> full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental,
> and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to
> the NTFS partition.
>
> Dave
NT Write support is experimental for NTFS 4--the reason is that NTFS is a
Microsoft trade secret, and what has been done has been done by careful
guesswork.
Win2K uses NTFS5 -- not even read support
Win XP uses YET ANOTHER VARIATION -- not even read support
And there may be little or no hope of ever getting any read support, because
the DMCA might be used to protect the filesystem from reverse engineering.
Civileme
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
Is it possible to use a win98 floppy to partition the disk to the partition you want XP to use and then load XP and mandrake after that??? that should work shouldn't it?? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 11:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles A Edwards Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 > From: Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 > > Doug Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running > > dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a > > digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC > > came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed > > it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell > > - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which > > brings me to the question: > > > > Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed > > over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? > > She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I > > have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be > > newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? > > 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. > I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. > BUT!! > The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come > pre-installed. > If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. > It works very well and is easy to use. > If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess > the ability of PM. > Just do a google search for partitioning programs. > > A side note on XP. > Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version > marketed as Home/Desktop. > > >Charles If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without disturbing XP. XP is not difficult to install, but the manufacturer may supply you only with a system restore disk which will simply put XP the way the manufacturer wanted it right ion your disk taking up all the space with an NT Filesystem that linux cannot read because it is a Microsoft trade secret. There is no particular advantage to XP, and like all win systems, it is suicidal to operate it connected to the internet. My tests showed it was smooth enough, and would cooperate well with mandrake's bootloaders if it was either NTFS and installed on only part of the disk or FAT32 and installed on all or part of the disk. COSMOS engineering supplies hard disks with linux preinstalled, and I think it is pretty much to order as to what system you have. That may be the necessary workaround if you buy a cheap, mass-produced system with a "System Restoration" CD. Much the same statements apply to Win2K which also has an unreadable filesystem that is probably "illegal" to reverse engineer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:59, Dave Sherman wrote:
> On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote:
> > Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed
> > over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows
> > partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with
> > XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition
> > will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it?
>
> To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have
> no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing
> filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a
> system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem
> ("NT-formatted", since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know
> if DiskDrake can play with NTFS.
>
> I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16
> partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS,
> and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get
> your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this.
>
> Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16
> option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to
> handle FAT32.
>
> Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it,
> you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support
> in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only
> including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this
> means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save
> files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with
> full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental,
> and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to
> the NTFS partition.
>
> Dave
NT Write support is experimental for NTFS 4--the reason is that NTFS is a
Microsoft trade secret, and what has been done has been done by careful
guesswork.
Win2K uses NTFS5 -- not even read support
Win XP uses YET ANOTHER VARIATION -- not even read support
And there may be little or no hope of ever getting any read support, because
the DMCA might be used to protect the filesystem from reverse engineering.
Civileme
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
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Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 > From: Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 > > Doug Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running > > dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a > > digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC > > came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed > > it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell > > - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which > > brings me to the question: > > > > Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed > > over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? > > She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I > > have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be > > newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? > > 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. > I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. > BUT!! > The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come > pre-installed. > If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. > It works very well and is easy to use. > If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess > the ability of PM. > Just do a google search for partitioning programs. > > A side note on XP. > Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version > marketed as Home/Desktop. > > >Charles If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without disturbing XP. XP is not difficult to install, but the manufacturer may supply you only with a system restore disk which will simply put XP the way the manufacturer wanted it right ion your disk taking up all the space with an NT Filesystem that linux cannot read because it is a Microsoft trade secret. There is no particular advantage to XP, and like all win systems, it is suicidal to operate it connected to the internet. My tests showed it was smooth enough, and would cooperate well with mandrake's bootloaders if it was either NTFS and installed on only part of the disk or FAT32 and installed on all or part of the disk. COSMOS engineering supplies hard disks with linux preinstalled, and I think it is pretty much to order as to what system you have. That may be the necessary workaround if you buy a cheap, mass-produced system with a "System Restoration" CD. Much the same statements apply to Win2K which also has an unreadable filesystem that is probably "illegal" to reverse engineer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
windows2000 and presumably XP can handle Fat32, I know that for a fact as my
entire drive on my win2000 pro laptop is running on Fat32... (great for
testing CGI applications as you never have to worry about permissions..)
Diskdrake will not resize your NTFS partition, since that requires writing
to it, and as far as I know, linux can't do that reliable as of yet.. you
are better off to remove the default XP and reinstall it yourself.. and set
the partitions that you want before mandrake makes an apprearance..
rgds
Frank
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Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
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On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed
> over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows
> partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with
> XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition
> will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it?
To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have
no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing
filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a
system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem
("NT-formatted", since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know
if DiskDrake can play with NTFS.
I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16
partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS,
and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get
your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this.
Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16
option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to
handle FAT32.
Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it,
you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support
in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only
including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this
means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save
files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with
full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental,
and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to
the NTFS partition.
Dave
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Re: [newbie] dual boot
On Wednesday 22 August 2001 07:34, Matt wrote: > I'm having problems dual booting mandrake with win2000. It can boot > in linux or 2000, but it defaults in to linux if you don't scroll down > and select windows2000. Do you know of a way where the boot screen > can default to windows2000. It boots into a linux gui first and then > it lists the O/S I can go into. If it booted into 2000 by default I > could just edit the boot.ini. I have tried to edit the lilo conf and > I have switched the default to 2000 etc.. but when I restart the > linux screen pops up and it still defaults to linux. If your bootloader is grub, the file to edit is /boot/grub/menu.lst (could be slightly different, i'm not at my mandrake machine right now). Also, according to Martin, in 8.0 you can also set it from the mandrake control center by choosing 'edit' for the entry in question. Also you mentioned you edited lilo.conf, but remember you must re-run lilo for your changes to take effect. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot
KDE and probably Gnome also have X-client interfaces to the boot parameters. Go to Mankdrake Control Center and look under bootup settings. You'll find some funky dialog boxes letting you pick the default boot OS. Kirby At 11:36 AM 8/22/2001 -0500, Matt Greer wrote: > > matt conran wrote: > >> > >> Hi > >> I'm having problems dual booting mandrake with win2000. It can boot in > >> linu or 2000, but it defaults in to linux if you don't scroll down and > >> select windows2000. Do you know of a way where the boot screen can > >> default to windows2000. It boots into a linux gui first and then it > >> lists the O/S I can go into. If it booted into 2000 by default I could > >> just edit the boot.ini. I have tried to edit the lilo conf and I have > >> switched the default to 2000 etc.. but when I restart the linux screen > >> pops up and it still defaults to linux. > >I didn't seem to get the original post. > >Did you run lilo after changing lilo.conf? You have to enter "lilo" at the >shell as root in order for changes in lilo.conf to take effect. > >Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
