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There are plenty of people who prefer digital to analog. There isn't anything "wrong" with digital, it just sounds bad to me. Its a matter of different ears. Higher quality encoding levels aleviate this somewhat but the fact remains that my ears prefer analog or at least "first generation" digital. My brother can't watch DVD's because he has a genetic "defect" in his vision that makes DVD's give him migraine headaches after only a few minutes. Analog movies don't do this to him. It's similar to that for me, MP3's make my brain hurt. All the sub & super sonics are gone. All of the nice peaks and valleys in the overall wave form are flattened out. This is how encoding/compression works. Decide what people can't hear/doesn't matter and throw it out. Since I play bass, I notice when sub-sonics are gone. Thats half my instrument! Thats why I don't like MP3s. Dacia --- Larry Hignight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure that I agree with the whole sound > quality > thing. I've encoded a number of mp3's of the past > year > using grip/bladeEnc at 320. Everyone that I've had > listen to both the mp3 and the original cd says that > they > can't tell the difference. Others say they can but > the > result is totally random. One of my friends > actually > prefers the sound of the mp3's. He was a former > musician > and he picked the mp3 file like five out of six > times. > The lesson? Encode your mp3's at a higher bit rate > and > don't use the crappy sound xing encoder the > disk > space? In a year you'll be buring a 100gig drive > for > under $100 and you can get 650meg cdr's for .40 now. > > Larry > > Dacia and AzureRose scribed: > > > Speaking as a musician, I've never heard an MP3 > that > > didn't sound flat, compressed, uninspiring and > > insipid. In my opinion they aren't worth paying > for. > > The only use for them that makes any sense to me > is > > for marketing ends. > > > > So, theres my .02 for what its worth from a person > who > > is almost completely disinterested in the whole > > napster/MP3/RIAA thing. Looks like idiots > fighting > > over who owns the storm in sandstorm ;-) > > > > Dacia > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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Hey Kit, >> > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those >> > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those >> > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being >> > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and >> > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. >> > >> so how do you explain what a library does? Don't they do the exact same thing? > VERY GOOD POINT, and you should email napster and let them KNOW this > fact...as it will help them A library doesn't let you *copy* the books. You can read them as often as you want, but not *have* or *own* them (unless you pay for them). That is what the radio does (you can listen, but you do not have the songs), so that's not a good point. Roman
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I'm not sure that I agree with the whole sound quality thing. I've encoded a number of mp3's of the past year using grip/bladeEnc at 320. Everyone that I've had listen to both the mp3 and the original cd says that they can't tell the difference. Others say they can but the result is totally random. One of my friends actually prefers the sound of the mp3's. He was a former musician and he picked the mp3 file like five out of six times. The lesson? Encode your mp3's at a higher bit rate and don't use the crappy sound xing encoder the disk space? In a year you'll be buring a 100gig drive for under $100 and you can get 650meg cdr's for .40 now. Larry Dacia and AzureRose scribed: > Speaking as a musician, I've never heard an MP3 that > didn't sound flat, compressed, uninspiring and > insipid. In my opinion they aren't worth paying for. > The only use for them that makes any sense to me is > for marketing ends. > > So, theres my .02 for what its worth from a person who > is almost completely disinterested in the whole > napster/MP3/RIAA thing. Looks like idiots fighting > over who owns the storm in sandstorm ;-) > > Dacia
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote: >Speaking as a musician, I've never heard an MP3 that >didn't sound flat, compressed, uninspiring and >insipid. I agree. I don't have many MP3 files, the ones I have are for evaluating music. When I like it, I get the CD. The sound quality stays behind big time with original media. >Anybody read the study (I forget who, an american >private research group hired by RIAA) that found that >people with large MP3 collections tend to buy more >CD's then the average person? Did not read it, but heard about it in the radio. >Artists steal all the time. Art is theft as someone >said and then there is that great quote form Mark >Twain "Immature humorists borrow, mature humorists >steal". Didn't he also say "Originality is the art of concealing your source"? *grin* Paul -- Cats could have ruled the Universe, but couldn't be bothered. -Paul Gray )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 06:58:43AM -0500, Vic wrote: > After all, I do not know of any place where > you can rent a CD like you do a video movie. Well, here in Germany you can just go to the video rent shop and also rent a CD. You also used to be able to rent computer games some years ago. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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Hmmm. Yeah now that I visit mp3.com it seems like they are more likely to be found on mp3.com than Napster although they seem to me to be equally present on both systems. On Sat, 05 Aug 2000, you wrote: > I've read that "unknown" artists are VERY VERY rarely > downloaded from Napster according to its own > statistics. Something like 1-5% of all downloads are > for unknown musicians songs. > > Dacia > --- Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought that all those bands were so rich that > > they could afford a small loss like that. > > > > If I were a new aspiring artist I would spread > > my music like that, then when it got into the > > hands of a recording company, I would have posted > > contact info in the id3 tag data so they could > > get ahold of me. > > > > Besides, if alot of those people would use > > Napster for its intended purpose in the > > first place, ie. to try out new music > > before they buy up the CD or tape, > > all of this controversy would not have > > exploded as it has. > > > > After all, I do not know of any place where > > you can rent a CD like you do a video movie. > > > > No offense intended in this 'debate' presentation. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods > > are earned by those > > > songs? and what about the people who hold the > > copyrights to those > > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material > > protected from being > > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE > > those songs and > > > distribute them for free. the owners of the > > copyright don't see a cent. > > > > > > -- > > > Mark > > > > > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you > > registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their > > website and register! > > > > > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge > > being dangerous? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > /\ > > > > > > > Dark> > > > > > > \/ > > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned > > off at midnight... > > > > another victory for those poor people who have > > to spend their mornings > > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/
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Hey, an album is not a days work. It is months, sometimes years, of work for a large group of people. It takes years to learn to play an instrument. It takes just as long to learn how to run a mixing board/recording studio. It is inaccurate to view an album as something that is done in an afternoon. Besides, most art is done once and left. Music is a weird on ein that it is both a "fine" and a "performing" art. Dacia --- Adriaan Barel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to add my 2cents worth; the artists have the > opportunity to earn their > money like the rest of us by giving live concerts > instead of doing the job > once and then sitting back and waiting for the big > bucks to roll in. > It would be nice if we could all sell one days work, > over and over again. > > Adriaan Barel. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike & Tracy Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be > turned off at midnight... > > > > another victory for those poor people who have > to spend their mornings > > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today > =( > > > > > > Well, their execution got a stay, it > appears. Now they have > > > until September... > > > > > > I still have the same problem though. Label me > #dense, but I went to > > > their website, and there is no place to just > register. I removed the > > > gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then > reinstalled the rpm, > > > and still get the same error. "invalid > password". ;-( > > > > > > -- > > > > /\ > > > > Dark> > > > \/ > > Try using knapster and signing up as a new user. > You don't have to go > > to the site at all, just check the box at the > bottom of the knapster > > client. I would assume that gnapster does it the > same way. If you > > don't have knapster, go to: > > > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > > and scroll through the rpms until you find it. > > > > Mike > > -- > > > > Mike & Tracy Holt > > Kirkland, WA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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Robert McNealy wrote: > > Hmmm..the owners (bands in this case)usually see little if none of the > record sales revenue. Most musicians ONLY make money from the touring and > merchandise sales. > > Anyways, they should sue the bootleggers, i.e., the people who download the > music. Napster is not selling any of the copyrighted material. They make > it easier. Why not sue Napster's ISP then? They helped Napster. And why > not sue Cisco? They helped the ISP help Napster. This is absurd. > > Right or wrong, this technology is here. Suing Napster will only shut them > down, but it will not stop people trading mp3s or any other related > technology. The music industry doesn't want to update or change it's > current business model. That is what they need to do to stay competitive. > > The current figures also demonstrate that CD sales have increased since > Napster has been around, so proving damages is really non-evidence and > rhetorical. > > Original Message Follows > From: Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > -- > Mark > >** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > -- > > >/\ > > >Dark> > >\/ > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com If you want to talk about counterfeiting, I don't think Napster as a business is the issue. The technology is here to stay and will get worse or better. Tapes have been accepted. And, your views change quite drastically if your livelyhood is a writer, listener or software applications designer. However, I think some good will come out of this in the end for every one. Most counterfeit companies exist in China(very bad there), South America, Mexico. This is what gets me angry. Conterfeit software, music. You name it. Just wait when one morning you'll get up and find out that your personal savings account, name, birth certificate and other personal info has been emptied out by some geek... Hey what am I saying...It's going on as we speak - somewhere. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293
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I've read that "unknown" artists are VERY VERY rarely downloaded from Napster according to its own statistics. Something like 1-5% of all downloads are for unknown musicians songs. Dacia --- Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought that all those bands were so rich that > they could afford a small loss like that. > > If I were a new aspiring artist I would spread > my music like that, then when it got into the > hands of a recording company, I would have posted > contact info in the id3 tag data so they could > get ahold of me. > > Besides, if alot of those people would use > Napster for its intended purpose in the > first place, ie. to try out new music > before they buy up the CD or tape, > all of this controversy would not have > exploded as it has. > > After all, I do not know of any place where > you can rent a CD like you do a video movie. > > No offense intended in this 'debate' presentation. > > > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods > are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the > copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material > protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE > those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the > copyright don't see a cent. > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you > registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their > website and register! > > > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge > being dangerous? > > > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > /\ > > > > > Dark> > > > > \/ > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned > off at midnight... > > > another victory for those poor people who have > to spend their mornings > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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The issue with the record companies seems to be the Quality level of MP3's. Its the whole "tapes from the radio mostly sound like garbage and so do tapes of CD's, other tapes, records etc. but MP3's (can) retain the same quality level as the original recording." thing. Speaking as a musician, I've never heard an MP3 that didn't sound flat, compressed, uninspiring and insipid. In my opinion they aren't worth paying for. The only use for them that makes any sense to me is for marketing ends. Anybody read the study (I forget who, an american private research group hired by RIAA) that found that people with large MP3 collections tend to buy more CD's then the average person? Artists steal all the time. Art is theft as someone said and then there is that great quote form Mark Twain "Immature humorists borrow, mature humorists steal". My point being that without theft there would not be art as we know it so why worry about a few MP3s that sound like crap anyway? Capitalism. So, theres my .02 for what its worth from a person who is almost completely disinterested in the whole napster/MP3/RIAA thing. Looks like idiots fighting over who owns the storm in sandstorm ;-) Dacia --- Steve Weltman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry that I have to reply to a thread about > copyrights in a Linux > newbie mail list, but... > > I think that the songs are available freely to you > already on another > medium. It's called the radio. If you turn your > dial to the correct > station, you can hear most of what is available for > download on > Napster/Gnapster. > > The funny thing is that you are allowed to tape your > CDs for private > playback, and even give those recordings to friends > (yes, legally). But the > recording industry is reporting profits for this > fiscal year to their > investors, and risk loosing investments if the > records aren't purchased in > the most accountable manner (via your local music > store). So they are > proposing a method to reduce a distribution method > that can't/doesn't keep > track of who's listening to what. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Have a nice (bar-anybody-copying-me-and-I'll-sue) > day! > > Steve Weltman > (not an expert on copyright, but know when I'm being > bullied into buying > something that is already free) > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > > > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods > are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the > copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material > protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE > those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the > copyright don't see a cent. > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you > registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their > website and register! > > > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge > being dangerous? > > > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > /\ > > > > > Dark> > > > > \/ > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned > off at midnight... > > > another victory for those poor people who have > to spend their mornings > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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WOW, another very good point...please everyone...if you would email napster with all these great points...they could win their court battle. On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Mark Weaver wrote: > > > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > > > -- > > Mark > > Not to start a flame-fest here, but think about it Mark; how often do > you here about the artists complaining? Yes, there have been a few; but > most often you're hearing from the recording industry people, the ones > that promised that 'once the format pays for itself, the cost will come > way down for CD's'. I don't know about you, but I'm still paying about > $17 for a compact disk that costs no more than about .05 cents to make! > If you look at the artists cut (somewhere about $3 - $5), where's the > rest of that money going to? One more thing to look at, what about the > artists who have been sued by and attacked by the RIAA for trying to > release THEY'RE music in mp3 format? I don't have a problem with paying > someone for their intellectual property, but in this case - are we? > > To bring the topic back to this list, even though you're completely > capable of downloading the latest version of Mandrake 7.1 - have you > went ahead and bought a copy? I'm on the cooker list and am using > mostly up to the minute releases from there, but on thinking about it > earlier this evening, I'm probably about due to head down and actually > fork over the cash to help support those guys that work so hard on this > product. > > Mike > -- > > Mike & Tracy Holt > Kirkland, WA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Registered Linux User:167369 <=KompuKit=> Kit Goins ICQ# 7110071 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass. Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S & S 12pm-12am EST) <=KompuKit=>
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VERY GOOD POINT, and you should email napster and let them KNOW this fact...as it will help them On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, you wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > > so how do you explain what a library does? Don't they do the exact same thing? -- Registered Linux User:167369 <=KompuKit=> Kit Goins ICQ# 7110071 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass. Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S & S 12pm-12am EST) <=KompuKit=>
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Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: \/ > Try using knapster and signing up as a new user. You don't have to go > to the site at all, just check the box at the bottom of the knapster > client. I would assume that gnapster does it the same way. If you > don't have knapster, go to: > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > and scroll through the rpms until you find it. > > Mike 1st of all, thanks to everyone who has replied on this matter! ;-) Yes, Knapster is the way to go. It works fine now. Just that one, and only time it warned me that I might be unable to d/l since there was no "listener connection". Since then, works like a charm. I gave up entirely on Gnapster... -- /\ Dark>
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2036, you wrote: > I think the whole idea behind Napster was a "try before you buy" concept. If > you like songs from a CD...you should support the artist and buy the CD. > Jaguar. > The 'ethics' of using software should be a personal decision. My Gawd, look at all the Windoze sinners . S, if'n when Nap gets killed by a bunch of greedy lawyers ;-> there _are_ alternatives. I've been able to install and connect with Gnutella ( http://gnutella.wego.com/ ) using Mdk's 'gnubile' rpm, but no luck finding/getting anything. I get plenty of connected servers, I can 'see' a lot of available files but i could sure use some pointers from some experienced Gnutella/Gnubile hands (yeah, I read the tutorial :) I also gave 'Gnut' a spin... did even worse ;( -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent.
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What about digital casstte recorders? What about CDROM/DVDROM burners? Did you know that you can use a HiFi VCR in audio-only mode to record digital-quality audio tracks? This is history: each new generation of technology is seen as the source of the evil. Since the first monk hand-copied the first book, people have been copying things. I am not saying that it is "right" or "ethical", but let's not get hung up on balming the the technology (or as I call it, "sixty-year-old-white-man's disease"). The movie industry whined that the the VCR would destroy the movie business. But what has really happened is that in order to compete with home theater, the industry has had to build theaters with comfortable chairs, stadium seating, and digital surround sound. And they don't seem to be hurting at alllast night I had to wait in line to buy tickets to the next showing, 'cause the one I wanted to see was sold out. Why should we have to pay $14-$20 for a couple of hit singles sandwiched on a CD with all of the otherwise unsaleable tracks? I think what we are seeing is the emergence of a new business model, enabled by the ubiquitous presence of personal information technology. The market always wins.no government or standards organization has ever been able to ban anything..if people (the market) demand a product, it will be produced and delivered. In this case, what the market is saying is the current studio distribution channels are inefficient and a new, more efficient model is emerging. The record companies can play or not, but at best they will only slightly delay the inevitable. The artists (or their business managers) will figure out how to make lots of money in the new model. Maybe more, since a few rich, oligopolistic companies will no longer have a strangelhold on the distribution channels. But the artists are going to have to work harder for our money, because we will no longer be forced to buy the "B" side. And the innovative artists that are labeled "non-commercial" by the big record companies today will face much lower barriers to their entry into the market. I am getting down off of the soapbox now. Sign me, An Unashamed Free-market Capitalist Pig
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Good point. Through I suppose the radio quality isn't as good as a cd or mp3. - Original Message - From: Steve Weltman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > I'm sorry that I have to reply to a thread about copyrights in a Linux > newbie mail list, but... > > I think that the songs are available freely to you already on another > medium. It's called the radio. If you turn your dial to the correct > station, you can hear most of what is available for download on > Napster/Gnapster. > > The funny thing is that you are allowed to tape your CDs for private > playback, and even give those recordings to friends (yes, legally). But the > recording industry is reporting profits for this fiscal year to their > investors, and risk loosing investments if the records aren't purchased in > the most accountable manner (via your local music store). So they are > proposing a method to reduce a distribution method that can't/doesn't keep > track of who's listening to what. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Have a nice (bar-anybody-copying-me-and-I'll-sue) day! > > Steve Weltman > (not an expert on copyright, but know when I'm being bullied into buying > something that is already free) > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > > > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > > > -- > > > >/\ > > > > Dark> > > >\/ > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > > > >
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Just to add my 2cents worth; the artists have the opportunity to earn their money like the rest of us by giving live concerts instead of doing the job once and then sitting back and waiting for the big bucks to roll in. It would be nice if we could all sell one days work, over and over again. Adriaan Barel. - Original Message - From: "Mike & Tracy Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > Well, their execution got a stay, it appears. Now they have > > until September... > > > > I still have the same problem though. Label me #dense, but I went to > > their website, and there is no place to just register. I removed the > > gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then reinstalled the rpm, > > and still get the same error. "invalid password". ;-( > > > > -- > >/\ > >Dark> >\/ > Try using knapster and signing up as a new user. You don't have to go > to the site at all, just check the box at the bottom of the knapster > client. I would assume that gnapster does it the same way. If you > don't have knapster, go to: > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > and scroll through the rpms until you find it. > > Mike > -- > > Mike & Tracy Holt > Kirkland, WA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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Regardless if you think using napster to aquire music is stealing, try-before buy, or whatever, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Wyclef/Rock said it best. The genie is out of the bottle and a critical mass of people are now using and familiar with mp3's. The record industry is simply going to have to adapt. Industries change no big deal. Larry Jaguar wrote: > I think the whole idea behind Napster was a "try before you buy" concept. If > you like songs from a CD...you should support the artist and buy the CD. > Jaguar. > > Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > > > -- > > Mark > > > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > > > -- > > > >/\ > > > >Dark> > > >\/ > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > > > > > The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com.
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > Daniel Anderson wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > >I was unable to register using Gnapster,so I downloaded and installed > > Knapster from Freshmeat,was able to register,and it seems more > > stable.After registering I was able to use Gnapster but it has crashed > > several times. Hope this helps. > > > > Dan > > Hi Dan! Thanks, I'll go to freshmeat and try that. ;-) There's a Mandrake rpm ftp://ftp.tvd.be/packages/mandrake-devel/contrib/RPMS/knapster-0.12-1mdk.i586.rpm That's the Belgium mirror. works well for me -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > Well, their execution got a stay, it appears. Now they have > until September... > > I still have the same problem though. Label me #dense, but I went to > their website, and there is no place to just register. I removed the > gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then reinstalled the rpm, > and still get the same error. "invalid password". ;-( Don't know 'bout Gnapster, but with Knapster (knapster-0.12-1mdk) there's entries under preferences for user ID and password. The first user ID I tried was rejected, so I added a coupl'a numbers on the end of it and then was able to logon with no problems. I've never even been to Nap's website ;) Knapster is easy to use and configure, intuitive. Make sure you've got a good firewall going, and of course, *don't* connect as root. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm..the owners (bands in this case)usually see little if none of the record sales revenue. Most musicians ONLY make money from the touring and merchandise sales. Anyways, they should sue the bootleggers, i.e., the people who download the music. Napster is not selling any of the copyrighted material. They make it easier. Why not sue Napster's ISP then? They helped Napster. And why not sue Cisco? They helped the ISP help Napster. This is absurd. Right or wrong, this technology is here. Suing Napster will only shut them down, but it will not stop people trading mp3s or any other related technology. The music industry doesn't want to update or change it's current business model. That is what they need to do to stay competitive. The current figures also demonstrate that CD sales have increased since Napster has been around, so proving damages is really non-evidence and rhetorical. Original Message Follows From: Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > ;-( > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > -- > >/\ > >Dark> >\/ > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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a true point, but what about those same people who charge $25 for a CD, which cost less than a cassette tape to make. while i am all about music, supporting music, copyrights (i'm a writer & photographer) **warning** shameless self promotion alert: http://ontheflyphotography.1stcyberhost.com **warning** i, as a fan of music, am tired of being milked for excessivly expensive products by an egotistical industry. i wont go into the details here (tho this might be a good thing to write about on my web site actually) i would hope that the end result of the napster debate would be that the recording industry will figure out that if it wants people to "buy legal products" they need a more reasonable pricing scheme. i remember "albums" -- them big black things, and they were $7 each. and yes, i can debate that CDs are not "superior" to albums. analog vs digital? when it comes to a sound wave, i'll take analog any time. oh yea... and since this is off topic, and since someone complained about that a while back, i just wanna take a moment to say -- relax man. i have enjoyed the "off topic" things that have come up on this list. they are actually very thoughtful with interesting participation & facts. since we are all using - or in my case - trying to use - Linux, we evidently share some sort of similar philosphy about computers & such and the exchange of ideas with like minds beyond "how do i run staroffice" isn't going to hurt anyone. but, i will have some Linux questions for y'all soon =) >Mark said >yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those >songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those >songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being >stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and >distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. >Mark Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've tried that, but no matter what strange name I come up to, gnapster *always* tells me that name already exists. Hugo >-Original Message- >From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:23 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > > >Anthony wrote: >> >> No, that's not what I meant. >> >> When you first used Gnapster/Napster you have to create a >user account. I think >> in Napster a box comes up telling you to create one, and in >Gnapster you have >> to check a box saying you are creating a new account. That >is when you pick >> your username and password for Napster/Gnapster. Then once >you get registered, >> uncheck that "New Account" box and you should be able to log >into the Napster >> servers just fine. > >I'll try this, but I dunno... ;-) > >Thanks! > >-- > /\ > Dark> \/ > >
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The very same thing happens to me. I don't find any registration in napster site and gnapster keeps asking me for name and password. Hugo >Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > >> That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... >> another victory for those poor people who have to spend >their mornings >> deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > >Well, their execution got a stay, it appears. Now they have >until September... > >I still have the same problem though. Label me #dense, but I went to >their website, and there is no place to just register. I removed the >gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then reinstalled the rpm, >and still get the same error. "invalid password". ;-( > >-- > /\ > Dark> \/ > >
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I thought that all those bands were so rich that they could afford a small loss like that. If I were a new aspiring artist I would spread my music like that, then when it got into the hands of a recording company, I would have posted contact info in the id3 tag data so they could get ahold of me. Besides, if alot of those people would use Napster for its intended purpose in the first place, ie. to try out new music before they buy up the CD or tape, all of this controversy would not have exploded as it has. After all, I do not know of any place where you can rent a CD like you do a video movie. No offense intended in this 'debate' presentation. On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > -- > Mark > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > -- > > >/\ > > >Dark> > >\/ > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > >
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I'm sorry that I have to reply to a thread about copyrights in a Linux newbie mail list, but... I think that the songs are available freely to you already on another medium. It's called the radio. If you turn your dial to the correct station, you can hear most of what is available for download on Napster/Gnapster. The funny thing is that you are allowed to tape your CDs for private playback, and even give those recordings to friends (yes, legally). But the recording industry is reporting profits for this fiscal year to their investors, and risk loosing investments if the records aren't purchased in the most accountable manner (via your local music store). So they are proposing a method to reduce a distribution method that can't/doesn't keep track of who's listening to what. That's my 2 cents. Have a nice (bar-anybody-copying-me-and-I'll-sue) day! Steve Weltman (not an expert on copyright, but know when I'm being bullied into buying something that is already free) - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > -- > Mark > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > -- > > >/\ > > >Dark> > >\/ > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > >
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"Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > Well, their execution got a stay, it appears. Now they have > until September... > > I still have the same problem though. Label me #dense, but I went to > their website, and there is no place to just register. I removed the > gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then reinstalled the rpm, > and still get the same error. "invalid password". ;-( > > -- >/\ >Dark>\/ Try using knapster and signing up as a new user. You don't have to go to the site at all, just check the box at the bottom of the knapster client. I would assume that gnapster does it the same way. If you don't have knapster, go to: ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS and scroll through the rpms until you find it. Mike -- Mike & Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark Weaver wrote: > > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > -- > Mark Not to start a flame-fest here, but think about it Mark; how often do you here about the artists complaining? Yes, there have been a few; but most often you're hearing from the recording industry people, the ones that promised that 'once the format pays for itself, the cost will come way down for CD's'. I don't know about you, but I'm still paying about $17 for a compact disk that costs no more than about .05 cents to make! If you look at the artists cut (somewhere about $3 - $5), where's the rest of that money going to? One more thing to look at, what about the artists who have been sued by and attacked by the RIAA for trying to release THEY'RE music in mp3 format? I don't have a problem with paying someone for their intellectual property, but in this case - are we? To bring the topic back to this list, even though you're completely capable of downloading the latest version of Mandrake 7.1 - have you went ahead and bought a copy? I'm on the cooker list and am using mostly up to the minute releases from there, but on thinking about it earlier this evening, I'm probably about due to head down and actually fork over the cash to help support those guys that work so hard on this product. Mike -- Mike & Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nickolas Koehne wrote: > > No, they shall not be turned off at midnight. There's been a reprieve! > > -Darkeyes I heard! I went straight over, signed up and downloaded some tunes! Mike -- Mike & Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, you wrote: > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > so how do you explain what a library does? Don't they do the exact same thing?
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I think the whole idea behind Napster was a "try before you buy" concept. If you like songs from a CD...you should support the artist and buy the CD. Jaguar. Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those > songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those > songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being > stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and > distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. > > -- > Mark > > ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > > > ;-( > > > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > > > -- > > >/\ > > >Dark> > >\/ > > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > > > > The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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Anthony wrote: > > No, that's not what I meant. > > When you first used Gnapster/Napster you have to create a user account. I think > in Napster a box comes up telling you to create one, and in Gnapster you have > to check a box saying you are creating a new account. That is when you pick > your username and password for Napster/Gnapster. Then once you get registered, > uncheck that "New Account" box and you should be able to log into the Napster > servers just fine. I'll try this, but I dunno... ;-) Thanks! -- /\ Dark>
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Daniel Anderson wrote: > > Hi, > >I was unable to register using Gnapster,so I downloaded and installed > Knapster from Freshmeat,was able to register,and it seems more > stable.After registering I was able to use Gnapster but it has crashed > several times. Hope this helps. > > Dan Hi Dan! Thanks, I'll go to freshmeat and try that. ;-) -- /\ Dark>
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Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( Well, their execution got a stay, it appears. Now they have until September... I still have the same problem though. Label me #dense, but I went to their website, and there is no place to just register. I removed the gnapster rpm, deleted .gnapster in /home, then reinstalled the rpm, and still get the same error. "invalid password". ;-( -- /\ Dark>
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yeah, but what about the people whos livelyhoods are earned by those songs? and what about the people who hold the copyrights to those songs. don't they deserve to have their material protected from being stolen? that IS in effect what napster does. TAKE those songs and distribute them for free. the owners of the copyright don't see a cent. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > ;-( > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > -- > >/\ > >Dark> >\/ > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( > >
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Actually they got a stay of the injuction and so they will still be up for another month or so. > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
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No, they shall not be turned off at midnight. There's been a reprieve! -Darkeyes - Original Message - From: "Mike & Tracy Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnapster (continued)... > "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > > > Anthony wrote: > > > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > > > ;-( > > > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > > > Thank you, Anthony... > > > > -- > >/\ > >Dark> >\/ > That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... > another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings > deciding which Porche to drive to work today =( >
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Hi, I was unable to register using Gnapster,so I downloaded and installed Knapster from Freshmeat,was able to register,and it seems more stable.After registering I was able to use Gnapster but it has crashed several times. Hope this helps. Dan "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > Anthony wrote: > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > ;-( > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > Thank you, Anthony... > > -- >/\ >Dark>\/
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"Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > Anthony wrote: > > > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! > > ;-( > > What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? > > Thank you, Anthony... > > -- >/\ >Dark>\/ That's ok, evidently they're going to be turned off at midnight... another victory for those poor people who have to spend their mornings deciding which Porche to drive to work today =(
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Anthony wrote: > > The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. Argh. Did not know that you had to go to their website and register! ;-( What is it they say about a little knowledge being dangerous? Thank you, Anthony... -- /\ Dark>
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The password that you chose when you registered on Napster/Gnapster. > > First triple-check that you put in the right password and username. Secondly, > > try unchecking the new account box. See if that helps. > > Yes, but what is the password supposed to be? ;-( -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
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Anthony wrote: > > First triple-check that you put in the right password and username. Secondly, > try unchecking the new account box. See if that helps. Yes, but what is the password supposed to be? ;-( -- /\ Dark>
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First triple-check that you put in the right password and username. Secondly, try unchecking the new account box. See if that helps. > Okay, I d/l'ed the latest version of Gnapster, but I'm still having a > problem. > No matter what I put in, or if I leave it blank, everytime I connect, I > get an > "invalid password" error message. I checked new account, so what are you > supposed > to do here? > > Thanks! ;-) -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
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Okay, I d/l'ed the latest version of Gnapster, but I'm still having a problem. No matter what I put in, or if I leave it blank, everytime I connect, I get an "invalid password" error message. I checked new account, so what are you supposed to do here? Thanks! ;-) -- /\ Dark>
