Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
I know the feeling. If an OT gets started and followed by a very passionate thread, I feel like I read the last page of murder mystery and have to go back to the beginning to find out what is going on. -- "Don't shoot til you see the white of their eyes.course, the problem is that the enemy is behind us." - Original Message - From: "Brendan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!] > > >And once again Robin is the Knight in Shining Armour out to protect us > >hapless & helpless females from the dragons of the list-world! Oh I > >swoon now in your arms Sir Robin! > > > >Femme > > Sounds like there's some sort of history here... > I must have missed all of the banter. I tend to delete most of the list, > but I'm slowly catching up...There's just so much to get through... > > B > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
>And once again Robin is the Knight in Shining Armour out to protect us >hapless & helpless females from the dragons of the list-world! Oh I >swoon now in your arms Sir Robin! > >Femme Sounds like there's some sort of history here... I must have missed all of the banter. I tend to delete most of the list, but I'm slowly catching up...There's just so much to get through... B Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:40:16 -0500 sda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Over time they've > remarked when investigating cybercrime, specifically older men caught > seducing young girls online, that often these men thought they were > talking to women considerably older. These seem policemen mentioned > that one of the problems they have to deal with is that women often chat > like young teenage girls online - vis-a-vis some of the exchanges I've > seen on this list with unowho. I just wish to put an end to some of this > nonsense, women shouldn't flirt with strange men in real life, so why > should it be considered proper in an online forum, especially one like > this one? Something I hope you fellas consider before thinking you're > defending a damsel in distress. Methinks she has probably a few issues > to deal with and finding them here is NOT appropriate. "women shouldn't flirt with strange men in real life" you say? You mean it's OK for men to flirt with strange women (or men :) ) , and with 'strange' you mean what?? Ever heard of 'human rights' ;) > > I'll tell you this though; if this list was a party or a get together > > and we were all together in person, I know for a fact that you would not > > have been as "courageous" as you've been below with your female target. > > You may be an asshole, but you're not stupid. > > No I'm not stupid and but I realize you like to jump to conclusions - > whatever floats yer boat. Swim on. -Frans Btw, I just read Dennis.R.Myers's post, I agree ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Title: RE: [newbie] I'm Locked Out! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of sda Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out! On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:53:48AM -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Alrighty. > > A wise man once told me that griping the griper was unproductive. To > that wise man, I now offer my apologies, and the offering that this > exchange is in no way an attempt to disrespect his advice. Obviously you don't listen then... > I've been taking note of this exchange for some time now, and since I > feel like I've pretty well grokked it, I'm going to lay down my wooden > nickel's worth. Since it's a free country and a list-of-liberty and > all. Oh I bet you have - since I dusted you last time, want to take a poke now eh? > My first observation is that, Steve, you're an asshole. You love to > wallow in your own mental feces. I don't know what your personal > problems are, but this list and the female members are not your > psychologic dumping ground. Hey I might be an asshole, but I'm not a stupid one like you appear to come across as... > Now if you've got something like this to say to any female on the list, > ( "being as concerned about bandwidth as you are" )my second observation > is that you have the option to go private. You did not do this. Now > where I come from, if you walk up to somebody's girlfriend or wife and > say something like what you've said below to them, you end up with a > black eye and checking out the taste of the local dirt. But of course > you're not going to go private with shit like you've said below, are > you? Because your true aim is not to correct what you propagandize as > "OT's" or "bandwidth transgressions." Your true aim is to hurt and > embarrass Femme to maximum effect; everything else is just a shield or > an excuse. Lack of a private exchange is irrefutable evidence, since a > private exchange in your case would have been setting an example for > "OT's" or "bandwidth transgressions." No some things need to be said, and I've received quite a bit of encouragement from others on this list who found many of her posts inappropriate for a technical forum. I just don't care for the "cutesy" aspect of a young woman flirting on an adult list. I have several friends in law enforcement and one with the "horsemen" [RCMP]. Over time they've remarked when investigating cybercrime, specifically older men caught seducing young girls online, that often these men thought they were talking to women considerably older. These seem policemen mentioned that one of the problems they have to deal with is that women often chat like young teenage girls online - vis-a-vis some of the exchanges I've seen on this list with unowho. I just wish to put an end to some of this nonsense, women shouldn't flirt with strange men in real life, so why should it be considered proper in an online forum, especially one like this one? Something I hope you fellas consider before thinking you're defending a damsel in distress. Methinks she has probably a few issues to deal with and finding them here is NOT appropriate. > I'll tell you this though; if this list was a party or a get together > and we were all together in person, I know for a fact that you would not > have been as "courageous" as you've been below with your female target. > You may be an asshole, but you're not stupid. No I'm not stupid and but I realize you like to jump to conclusions - whatever floats yer boat. Swim on. -- -^- -^- Steve ^ ___ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ' ` I would suggest that it is time to let this thread die. There are enough other things to address than this type of thing. If you don't like the way some one posts or participates put a filter on. Length of time on the list has little to do with how a post is made. I have been on the list for about 2years now, I find that it is community and that for the most part it is made up of people trying to help others or looking for help. I've been both and I don,t mind adding a little humor to my posts (some might say "very little humor"). Tongue in cheek is ok too. So folks let's just let it lay for now. Thanks. Dennis M.
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
> Femme Fatale has helped me with a couple problems, and I've enjoyed > reading her posts. In fact, I usually just delete posts that have subjects > that don't interest me, but a couple times I've checked in because I saw > Femme had replied. Once or twice, that's led to me helping someone that I > wouldn't have otherwise. > > I find in each of the groups and lists I frequent, you get people who just > have to try to quash any posts that aren't 100% on topic, especially if > the off topic bit is fun (interestingly, they always - *always* - claim > to get emailed support off-list). Rog, those are called "list nazis". ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Alrighty. A wise man once told me that griping the griper was unproductive. To that wise man, I now offer my apologies, and the offering that this exchange is in no way an attempt to disrespect his advice. I've been taking note of this exchange for some time now, and since I feel like I've pretty well grokked it, I'm going to lay down my wooden nickel's worth. Since it's a free country and a list-of-liberty and all. My first observation is that, Steve, you're an asshole. You love to wallow in your own mental feces. I don't know what your personal problems are, but this list and the female members are not your psychologic dumping ground. Now if you've got something like this to say to any female on the list, ( "being as concerned about bandwidth as you are" )my second observation is that you have the option to go private. You did not do this. Now where I come from, if you walk up to somebody's girlfriend or wife and say something like what you've said below to them, you end up with a black eye and checking out the taste of the local dirt. But of course you're not going to go private with shit like you've said below, are you? Because your true aim is not to correct what you propagandize as "OT's" or "bandwidth transgressions." Your true aim is to hurt and embarrass Femme to maximum effect; everything else is just a shield or an excuse. Lack of a private exchange is irrefutable evidence, since a private exchange in your case would have been setting an example for "OT's" or "bandwidth transgressions." I'll tell you this though; if this list was a party or a get together and we were all together in person, I know for a fact that you would not have been as "courageous" as you've been below with your female target. You may be an asshole, but you're not stupid. > > On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 20:48, sda wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:20:15PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > > We're rough... to idiots. :) > > > For someone who's actually been only posting on this list for what three > > > weeks tops? - You seem to have an awful lot to say about things around > > > here. Now I'm sure you're cutsy 14 yo girlish antics get you somewhere > > > with most of the boys, I'm not too impressed. Care to tone it down a > > > bit, or is this list your flavour of the month? > > > I notice you've now started posting on the "expert" list - I'm sure > > > you're a "sunny" personality and all, but why do most women on the > > > internet have to chatter like 14 yo girls? You do realize that's what > > > you sound like right? I ran several of your posts by several of my > > > friends that are relatively sophisticated urbanite women early 30ish - > > > they agreed. > On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:50:01PM +0200, Robin Turner wrote: > > [snippets] > > > I just cant get over everyone calling Femme a 14 yr old girl. > > Not everyone, by a long chalk. On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 11:32, sda wrote: > Oh please, it's quite obvious by some of her comments, that she was > "acting" as such. I didn't say she was one and since this list is for > newbies to acquire some techinical information, lets keep the "side > chatter" or socializing ratio down please. I've been receving quite a > few private e-mails in support, much more than here in support of > keeping the "noise" ratio high. > > So it's OK to be provocative, condescending, dogmatic or pedantic > > (not referring to anyone in particular) but being cute or girlish is > > out? I detect a double standard here. I'd guess that if Femme > > Fatale had picked a different nickname, like, say SegFault, > > no one would have picked up on the girly thing. > Oh contraire, she sounds as she sounds and this list is detoriating to > more noise once again. The problem is when the noise ratio exceeds the > actual help ratio, and with this nonsense carrying on I can see it > happening with ease. If you folks want to chat socially, I suggest you > all grab IRC and go to the Mandrake or what-ever-channel. This is not > the place, for the cutesy folksy noise that seems to prevade here, > more recently since uno-who joined. > > Anyway carry-on I won't respond any more to this or similar threads. > Will watch and see what happens. The sad thing will be if those that > have the knowledge refuse to share it because of the noise ratio. > Civilme can't do it all alone. -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
On March 24, 2002 09:21 pm, you wrote: > On Sunday 24 March 2002 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs you. > > > > Femme > > Well, I've noticed that you respond to just about every thread there is, > and many many times you say, "well, I can't help" or "I don't know, but" > what is the weather like in Australia or something equally as relevant; and > I wonder, 'why is she even posting then'. Or you butt in and ask what is > something that you would be better off googling about. You have been > getting on my nerves too. You act like this is the femmelist or something. > And yeah, I too was shocked to see a professed newbie - who can't really > help - posting on the expert list. I realize you're all proud of yourself > and all getting linux up and running - but who the hell can't get mandrake > 8.x going? We're not impressed with you. > -s speak for yourself. i find it refreshing to have someone enthusiastic posting whether things are going good or bad. glad to know that you are enjoying the community spirit. 8^P moose. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
Brian Parish wrote: > > OK! Yeah! There you go Femme. Make it Segfault Fatale (or maybe Fatal > Segfault?) you'll be set like a jelly! Or is the jello to you northern > types? > > Sorry - the OT police will be after me now. > > Brian > > On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 23:50, Robin Turner wrote: > > So it's OK to be provocative, condescending, dogmatic or pedantic > > (not referring to anyone in particular) but being cute or girlish is > > out? I detect a double standard here. I'd guess that if Femme > > Fatale had picked a different nickname, like, say SegFault, > > no one would have picked up on the girly thing. > *smiles* Yes thats an idea Brian! I just may do that to piss someone off later ;p Yes its jello... though i've been known to call other girls "gels" or use the word to describe jello ;p Femme -- Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
Robin Turner wrote: > > [snippets] > > > I just cant get over everyone calling Femme a 14 yr old girl. > > Not everyone, by a long chalk. > > > > things around here. Now I'm sure you're cutsy 14 yo girlish > > > antics get you somewhere with most of the boys, I'm not too > > > impressed. Care to tone it down a bit, or is this list your > > > flavour of the month? > > So it's OK to be provocative, condescending, dogmatic or pedantic > (not referring to anyone in particular) but being cute or girlish is > out? I detect a double standard here. I'd guess that if Femme > Fatale had picked a different nickname, like, say SegFault, > no one would have picked up on the girly thing. > > Robin > > -- > And once again Robin is the Knight in Shining Armour out to protect us hapless & helpless females from the dragons of the list-world! Oh I swoon now in your arms Sir Robin! Femme -- Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 10:32 am, you wrote: > > Oh contraire, she sounds as she sounds and this list is detoriating to > more noise once again. The problem is when the noise ratio exceeds the > actual help ratio, and with this nonsense carrying on I can see it > happening with ease. If you folks want to chat socially, I suggest you > all grab IRC and go to the Mandrake or what-ever-channel. This is not > the place, for the cutesy folksy noise that seems to prevade here, more > recently since uno-who joined. > > Anyway carry-on I won't respond any more to this or similar threads. > Will watch and see what happens. The sad thing will be if those that > have the knowledge refuse to share it because of the noise ratio. > Civilme can't do it all alone. Thank you! -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
Brian Parish wrote: >OK! Yeah! There you go Femme. Make it Segfault Fatale (or maybe Fatal >Segfault?) you'll be set like a jelly! Or is the jello to you northern >types? > >Sorry - the OT police will be after me now. > >Brian > >On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 23:50, Robin Turner wrote: > >>So it's OK to be provocative, condescending, dogmatic or pedantic >>(not referring to anyone in particular) but being cute or girlish is >>out? I detect a double standard here. I'd guess that if Femme >>Fatale had picked a different nickname, like, say SegFault, >>no one would have picked up on the girly thing. >> > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Ummm, folks, the name should not have implied cutesy or 14yo at all and certainly not girlish. kdict says: femme fatale n : a woman who is considered to be dangerously seductive [syn: enchantress, temptress, siren, Delilah] Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
>From: sda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
>Oh contraire, she sounds as she sounds and this list is detoriating to
>more noise once again. The problem is when the noise ratio exceeds the
>actual help ratio, and with this nonsense carrying on I can see it
>happening with ease. If you folks want to chat socially, I suggest you
>all grab IRC and go to the Mandrake or what-ever-channel.
"Dude", why don't you just chill out?!?!?
>This is not
>the place, for the cutesy folksy noise that seems to prevade here, more
>recently since uno-who joined.
>
Compared to some other lists I'm on, this list is hardly "noisy", but when there's
this much traffic, it does make a good case for offering a digest form of this list
(hint hint)
>Anyway carry-on I won't respond any more to this or similar threads.
Good!
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[OT] Posting style [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
[snippets] > I just cant get over everyone calling Femme a 14 yr old girl. Not everyone, by a long chalk. > > things around here. Now I'm sure you're cutsy 14 yo girlish > > antics get you somewhere with most of the boys, I'm not too > > impressed. Care to tone it down a bit, or is this list your > > flavour of the month? So it's OK to be provocative, condescending, dogmatic or pedantic (not referring to anyone in particular) but being cute or girlish is out? I detect a double standard here. I'd guess that if Femme Fatale had picked a different nickname, like, say SegFault, no one would have picked up on the girly thing. Robin -- "Bravo Epictetus!" - Epictetus Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
I just cant get over everyone calling Femme a 14 yr old girl. Well, I talk to A LOT of 60 yr old men AND women, and i'd say she resembles them more then 14 yr old girls. >From: sda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out! >Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:48:05 -0500 > >On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:20:15PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: > > We're rough... to idiots. :) > >For someone who's actually been only posting on this list for what three >weeks tops? - You seem to have an awful lot to say about things around >here. Now I'm sure you're cutsy 14 yo girlish antics get you somewhere >with most of the boys, I'm not too impressed. Care to tone it down a >bit, or is this list your flavour of the month? > >I notice you've now started posting on the "expert" list - I'm sure >you're a "sunny" personality and all, but why do most women on the >internet have to chatter like 14 yo girls? You do realize that's what >you sound like right? I ran several of your posts by several of my >friends that are relatively sophisticated urbanite women early 30ish - >they agreed. > > >-- > -^- -^- > Steve > ^ > ___ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ' ` > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 22:28, FemmeFatale wrote: > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs you. > > Femme As far as I'm concerned, your conduct has been exemplary. You've been a tremendous help to many here, not only technically, but also a strong source of moral support. If anything, you've strengthened the list, and I don't see that as desirable to anybody who's seeking to put a damper on list enthusiasm. Personally I tend to expect a little more from people than dry technical details; I also look for a caring and supportive attitude. If there's anyone on this list that has supplied both, it's certainly you first and foremost. So my suggestion is that you continue to conduct yourself as you have in the past, which to me has left a positive and very adult impression. In other words, don't let anybody else stop you from being who you are. Best Regards Always, Lyvim _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Here Here. I agree with Brian 110%! Femme was BOTH helpful and amusing for me. When I was yelling at my computer cause it was being screwy on me cause I didn't understand something, and I'd be pissed and I would try to sound neutral in my e-mails. It was Femme's replies that helped with my computer problem, but also brightened up my day CONSIDERABLY with her humour. and Femme, if u dare stop I'm going to have to go to WHEREVER you live and give you a stern talking too. and Femme sounds like she's 14? I .errrkinda pinned her as being older. *shuts up cause he doesn't want to say Femme is older then she really is* John. (as a summary, computer help is just as helpful as humour and calming people down.) >From: Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out! >Date: 25 Mar 2002 21:13:35 +1100 > >Well I can't help thinking that's a bit unfair. Let's not undertake a >Heather hunt here. Femme to my memory has been both frivolous and >genuinely helpful in about equal measure. That's not a bad hit rate >when the frivolous postings are short and sweet. > >My 2c - that's Australian cents so worth about nothing - keep posting, >but maybe think twice so the less tolerant, highly focused individuals >among us don't get all twisted and bitter. I don't think there is a >anyone more genuinely committed to LM and more willing to help, so it >would be a shame to lose you. > >Brian > >On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 16:44, FemmeFatale wrote: > > Fine. I'll just lurk & shut my mouth > > > > End of story > > > > Femme > > > > s wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday 24 March 2002 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > > > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > > > > > > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > > > > > > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > > > > > > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs >you. > > > > > > > > Femme > > > > > > Well, I've noticed that you respond to just about every thread there >is, and > > > many many times you say, "well, I can't help" or "I don't know, but" >what is > > > the weather like in Australia or something equally as relevant; and I >wonder, > > > 'why is she even posting then'. Or you butt in and ask what is >something > > > that you would be better off googling about. You have been getting on >my > > > nerves too. You act like this is the femmelist or something. And >yeah, I > > > too was shocked to see a professed newbie - who can't really help - >posting > > > on the expert list. I realize you're all proud of yourself and all >getting > > > linux up and running - but who the hell can't get mandrake 8.x going? >We're > > > not impressed with you. > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Well I can't help thinking that's a bit unfair. Let's not undertake a Heather hunt here. Femme to my memory has been both frivolous and genuinely helpful in about equal measure. That's not a bad hit rate when the frivolous postings are short and sweet. My 2c - that's Australian cents so worth about nothing - keep posting, but maybe think twice so the less tolerant, highly focused individuals among us don't get all twisted and bitter. I don't think there is a anyone more genuinely committed to LM and more willing to help, so it would be a shame to lose you. Brian On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 16:44, FemmeFatale wrote: > Fine. I'll just lurk & shut my mouth > > End of story > > Femme > > s wrote: > > > > On Sunday 24 March 2002 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > > > > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > > > > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > > > > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs you. > > > > > > Femme > > > > Well, I've noticed that you respond to just about every thread there is, and > > many many times you say, "well, I can't help" or "I don't know, but" what is > > the weather like in Australia or something equally as relevant; and I wonder, > > 'why is she even posting then'. Or you butt in and ask what is something > > that you would be better off googling about. You have been getting on my > > nerves too. You act like this is the femmelist or something. And yeah, I > > too was shocked to see a professed newbie - who can't really help - posting > > on the expert list. I realize you're all proud of yourself and all getting > > linux up and running - but who the hell can't get mandrake 8.x going? We're > > not impressed with you. > > -s > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Fine. I'll just lurk & shut my mouth End of story Femme s wrote: > > On Sunday 24 March 2002 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs you. > > > > Femme > > Well, I've noticed that you respond to just about every thread there is, and > many many times you say, "well, I can't help" or "I don't know, but" what is > the weather like in Australia or something equally as relevant; and I wonder, > 'why is she even posting then'. Or you butt in and ask what is something > that you would be better off googling about. You have been getting on my > nerves too. You act like this is the femmelist or something. And yeah, I > too was shocked to see a professed newbie - who can't really help - posting > on the expert list. I realize you're all proud of yourself and all getting > linux up and running - but who the hell can't get mandrake 8.x going? We're > not impressed with you. > -s > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
On Sunday 24 March 2002 09:28 pm, you wrote: > *shrugs* Whatever guy. > > Ya i'll tone it down just was excited & having fun > > in the event you still don't like my posts, don't read em. > > I'm just enjoying myself & if I sound 14, oh well...Sorry that bugs you. > > Femme Well, I've noticed that you respond to just about every thread there is, and many many times you say, "well, I can't help" or "I don't know, but" what is the weather like in Australia or something equally as relevant; and I wonder, 'why is she even posting then'. Or you butt in and ask what is something that you would be better off googling about. You have been getting on my nerves too. You act like this is the femmelist or something. And yeah, I too was shocked to see a professed newbie - who can't really help - posting on the expert list. I realize you're all proud of yourself and all getting linux up and running - but who the hell can't get mandrake 8.x going? We're not impressed with you. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
We're rough... to idiots. :) Webster won't agree with me on the definition of idiot but: Idiot: (noun) person who won't help themselves; to whit, someone who whines & bitches about said software but refuses to help himself with it & find a solution. (verb) usage of the word Idiot with regards to said Noun(s). (adverb) used to describe the behaviour of the above Noun(s). (adjective) description of the Noun above. :) HTH! Femme "Donald Everett Gulmire, Jr." wrote: > > I just installed the "new and improved" Mandrake 8.2. It was harder to get > my DSL up than with the 8.1. I've only been running Linux for about three > weeks. I like the CDRom icons, but there is one problem. My Floppy, and my > two CDRoms are locked. Even to super user. I thought it was a permission > problem, but I can't get in. What should I do. By the way, thanks for > answering my questions without flaming the heck out of me. I guess I'm used > to some ruff newsgroups. > > Thanks, > > Don > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Why upgrade? [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
On Sunday 24 March 2002 10:51 am, Robin Turner wrote: > On Sunday 24 March 2002 17:34, Tim Holmes wrote: > > But now I have a question. Why did you upgrade to 8.2? If 8.1 was > > working, and you weren't having any problems, why did you upgrade > > to 8.2? > > > > It seems a lot of people think that as soon a new revision comes > > out, they have to upgrade to the new rev. That's not the case. In > > previous revs that was needed. There was a good sized jump in > > kernel capabilities and hardware additions from 7.2 to 8.0. So > > there was a need to upgrade there. But from 8.1, to 8.2, I don't > > believe there is. > > > > I've noticed, more so this time then with the last two Mandrake > > revs, that people are upgrading merely because there's a new > > version. Micro$HAFT has conditioned people to think that a new > > version is out, and you have to upgrade. This is not the case with > > Linux. > > > > If you keep your apps and patches up to date, there's no need to > > upgrade. There are still people on the list that run on Mandrake > > 7.2. In my opinion it's still the most stable of Mandrake's > > releases. If you upgrade the kernel and apply safty patches and > > the like, there's still no need to upgrade. At the time I only > > went to 8.0 because of better hardware support. > > Point taken (and I agree that 7.2 was a damn fine distro). Of > course, if you take the trouble to upgrade your apps (and the > necessary libraries) and choose the best kernel for them (not always > the latest!) then you have no pressing reason to upgrade. OTOH, once > you do that, you are in effect creating your own Linux system anyway. > I usually upgrade my most-used apps to the point that I start > getting serious conflicts, then upgrade the whole distro. It's just > easier that way. I'd rather spend an hour upgrading my whole system > than spend weeks tinkering with it. > > As for the analogy with Microsoft upgrades, I think if there's one > thing MS taught me, it was _not_ to upgrade! Apart from my Linux > box, the machines in my office run MS Office 97 on Win 98SE, except > for one which is still on Win95 (in fact the upgrades to 98SE weren't > my idea - they came when we had a hardware upgrade). > > Robin -- Sport.Some play football..some upgrade 8.2 seems faster on my box, but my car runs better after a wash, too Lee Registered Linux abuser #223705 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Why upgrade? [was: Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!]
On Sunday 24 March 2002 17:34, Tim Holmes wrote: > But now I have a question. Why did you upgrade to 8.2? If 8.1 was > working, and you weren't having any problems, why did you upgrade > to 8.2? > > It seems a lot of people think that as soon a new revision comes > out, they have to upgrade to the new rev. That's not the case. In > previous revs that was needed. There was a good sized jump in > kernel capabilities and hardware additions from 7.2 to 8.0. So > there was a need to upgrade there. But from 8.1, to 8.2, I don't > believe there is. > > I've noticed, more so this time then with the last two Mandrake > revs, that people are upgrading merely because there's a new > version. Micro$HAFT has conditioned people to think that a new > version is out, and you have to upgrade. This is not the case with > Linux. > > If you keep your apps and patches up to date, there's no need to > upgrade. There are still people on the list that run on Mandrake > 7.2. In my opinion it's still the most stable of Mandrake's > releases. If you upgrade the kernel and apply safty patches and > the like, there's still no need to upgrade. At the time I only > went to 8.0 because of better hardware support. Point taken (and I agree that 7.2 was a damn fine distro). Of course, if you take the trouble to upgrade your apps (and the necessary libraries) and choose the best kernel for them (not always the latest!) then you have no pressing reason to upgrade. OTOH, once you do that, you are in effect creating your own Linux system anyway. I usually upgrade my most-used apps to the point that I start getting serious conflicts, then upgrade the whole distro. It's just easier that way. I'd rather spend an hour upgrading my whole system than spend weeks tinkering with it. As for the analogy with Microsoft upgrades, I think if there's one thing MS taught me, it was _not_ to upgrade! Apart from my Linux box, the machines in my office run MS Office 97 on Win 98SE, except for one which is still on Win95 (in fact the upgrades to 98SE weren't my idea - they came when we had a hardware upgrade). Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
Did you try to unmount the devices? Make sure you're not currently accessing something on either one, then run the commands: umount /mnt/floppy eject That should unmount the floppy so you can eject it manually. The eject command will unmount the CD, if it was mounted, before it ejects it. >From there, put the floppy back in, and run the command: mount /mnt/floppy Then try to access the contents of the floppy. Similar steps with the CD-ROM. Insert the CD: mount /mnt/cdrom cd /mnt/cdrom ls -a I'm not sure how the automount works in 8.2. It may need to be tweaked a bit. But now I have a question. Why did you upgrade to 8.2? If 8.1 was working, and you weren't having any problems, why did you upgrade to 8.2? It seems a lot of people think that as soon a new revision comes out, they have to upgrade to the new rev. That's not the case. In previous revs that was needed. There was a good sized jump in kernel capabilities and hardware additions from 7.2 to 8.0. So there was a need to upgrade there. But from 8.1, to 8.2, I don't believe there is. I've noticed, more so this time then with the last two Mandrake revs, that people are upgrading merely because there's a new version. Micro$HAFT has conditioned people to think that a new version is out, and you have to upgrade. This is not the case with Linux. If you keep your apps and patches up to date, there's no need to upgrade. There are still people on the list that run on Mandrake 7.2. In my opinion it's still the most stable of Mandrake's releases. If you upgrade the kernel and apply safty patches and the like, there's still no need to upgrade. At the time I only went to 8.0 because of better hardware support. Hope my suggestions helped. tdh -- T. Holmes | UNIXTECHS.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | UIN: 17021091 | I just installed the "new and improved" Mandrake 8.2. It was harder to get | my DSL up than with the 8.1. I've only been running Linux for about three | weeks. I like the CDRom icons, but there is one problem. My Floppy, and my | two CDRoms are locked. Even to super user. I thought it was a permission | problem, but I can't get in. What should I do. By the way, thanks for | answering my questions without flaming the heck out of me. I guess I'm used | to some ruff newsgroups. | | Thanks, | | Don | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com `--- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I'm Locked Out!
On Sunday 24 March 2002 16:35, Donald Everett Gulmire, Jr. wrote: > I just installed the "new and improved" Mandrake 8.2. It was > harder to get my DSL up than with the 8.1. I've only been running > Linux for about three weeks. I like the CDRom icons, but there is > one problem. My Floppy, and my two CDRoms are locked. Even to > super user. I thought it was a permission problem, but I can't get > in. What should I do. By the way, thanks for answering my > questions without flaming the heck out of me. I guess I'm used to > some ruff newsgroups. We're a bunch of kittens here ;-) Check /etc/fstab For your floppy you should have a line something like /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,exec,--,user 0 0 (that should all be one line, BTW) Note that's only a suggestion - things may be different in 8.2. Alternatively, open the Mandrake Control Centre, click Hardware -> Mount Points -> Removable Media -> Options and check you have "user" and "supermount" checked. If that doesn't work, disable supermount and see if you can mount it manually. Robin Edit as necessary. -- "Bravo Epictetus!" - Epictetus Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I'm Locked Out!
I just installed the "new and improved" Mandrake 8.2. It was harder to get my DSL up than with the 8.1. I've only been running Linux for about three weeks. I like the CDRom icons, but there is one problem. My Floppy, and my two CDRoms are locked. Even to super user. I thought it was a permission problem, but I can't get in. What should I do. By the way, thanks for answering my questions without flaming the heck out of me. I guess I'm used to some ruff newsgroups. Thanks, Don Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
