Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Monday 06 January 2003 07:07 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > >What CPU/mem are you using? > > CPU 1800 athlon, 512mb ddr memory Thats plenty enough "umph". > Incidentally, this very same computer has dual linux booting, and on M8.2 > which also has mplayer installed everything works fine, though I did > compile > with the mandated gcc compiler of the time, not the standard gcc on M8.2 > Whereas I used the standard gcc compiler that comes with M9.0 I used the "forbidden" compiler by using the ignore compiler option and Mplayer worked fine under 8.2 for me, with a 900mhz/384 meg machine. > Now I'm not saying it is the compiler, but it's one posibility, choice of > video driver maybe something here , I don't know, I do know mplayer > itself will play but only without an index scan, but gmplayer > will not play properly at all and only then with no index scan option > and I get the error message about video stream too slow, which it > is , although in my case it does not lag behind the audio stream, > it just stops momentarily and then proceeds. Remember this > is all going on in M9.0 , but over in M8.2 all is fine, though it > is an earlier version of mplayer installed there. > > > > John I'm using the same version of Mplayer under 9.0 here, albeit a faster/better machine - but it works fine. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
On Monday 06 Jan 2003 11:57 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > The only moment of slight uplift I have ever received from them,just once, > when my youngest daughter once said , back at school, where all there > equipement is windblows, and where painshop pro is the norm, my daughter > said she met a school teacher today who said he wished her could install > linux because he thought gimp was a better programme and he would of liked > to show my daughter how to use it to do a certain task which he said it did > much better than Paintshop pro did. But if I had said the same she would > not of believed me, indeed she actually said to him , well my father uses > gimp all the time, and he said why don't you ask him to show you how to use > it. But she never does. So install Gimp for windows on her computer, and show her how easily she can do something. It looks identical, to me. I think this is one of the great bridging tools. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote: funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the reason yet. I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... Walt John I've got a faster 'puter now (AMD XP2100) but I had Mplayer running just fine on my 900 mhz Athlon and my sons' 850 mhz Duron. What CPU/mem are you using? CPU 1800 athlon, 512mb ddr memory Incidentally, this very same computer has dual linux booting, and on M8.2 which also has mplayer installed everything works fine, though I did compile with the mandated gcc compiler of the time, not the standard gcc on M8.2 Whereas I used the standard gcc compiler that comes with M9.0 Now I'm not saying it is the compiler, but it's one posibility, choice of video driver maybe something here , I don't know, I do know mplayer itself will play but only without an index scan, but gmplayer will not play properly at all and only then with no index scan option and I get the error message about video stream too slow, which it is , although in my case it does not lag behind the audio stream, it just stops momentarily and then proceeds. Remember this is all going on in M9.0 , but over in M8.2 all is fine, though it is an earlier version of mplayer installed there. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:30:18 -0500 Walt Frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have Mplayer from PLf also and I have it working now..sort of..the > video is running slow and I get a font location error lol but I guess > I just need to do some fine tuning with codecs etc. > > Walt The video is running slow as it's not designed for your system. I have said this many times before, as have the grumpy mplayer team, but using pre-compiled binaries isn't the answer. It all depends on what you want it to do. What would you guys like MPlayer to do, what files should it play, should it build mencoder so you can rip your own films? They have pages and pages on man-pages, describing what you need, and how to use it. For example, someone asked about the win32 codecs. These are slow people. They work, yes, but they run slow. The ideal solution, when it comes to mpeg, avi (plain), and DivX is libavcodec.You have to build mplayer with this included in the tarball. It doesn't just appear there if you download the cvs versions of mplayer, you have to get it yourself. to get mplayer == cvs -d:pserver:anonymous:@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/mplayer login cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/mplayer co main to get libavcodec cvs -d:pserver:anonymous:@cvs.ffmpeg.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ffmpeg\ login cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/ffmpeg co\ ffmpeg/libavcodec Move the downloaded ffmpeg/libavcodec folder into "main" (mlayer's root), and compile from there. I'm not going to explain to you all how to compile, or what options to use. That's what the manual is for ;-) Just please READ the output after doing your "./configure http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." - George H. W. Bush Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
No probs. =) Damian Gatabria wrote: On Monday 06 January 2003 02:42, Jason Greenwood wrote: Ahhh, I see. Great advice. I might even give this a try myself as sometimes the CD copying within GUI apps is, um, dodgy. Thanks for the mini-tutorial. =) I am learning SOOO much about devices, interrupts, SCSI emulation, USB etc., since having so many peripheral problems...hehe. Cheers Jason WOO i made a mistake! wait wait wait. That line is not to be added to /root/.bashrc but to the bashrc of the user you normally log in as. Let's say your usual login is jason, then the alias line would go into /home/jason/.bashrc clumsy me. Sorry. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:30:18 -0500 Walt Frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have Mplayer from PLf also and I have it working now..sort of..the > video is running slow This dosn't happen, here... > and I get a font location error lol but I guess I > just need to do some fine tuning with codecs etc. I *had* same problem! I upgraded to mplayer-0.90-0.rc2.1plf, but I'm not sure that's why all's okay, now. Anyway, it is :) Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 22:25, Smiley wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:01:21 + > John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. > > I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the > > reason yet. > > I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. > > I get Mplayer installed on my M9.0 from plf packages with no problem at all... > > Smiley > > I have Mplayer from PLf also and I have it working now..sort of..the video is running slow and I get a font location error lol but I guess I just need to do some fine tuning with codecs etc. Walt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 22:23, Smiley wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:07:06 -0500 > Walt Frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right now I am using a celeron 400 mhz with 512 megs mem. because > > mandrake 9.0 has way too many problems on my other computer ECS MB, AMD > > duron 1.2 ghz) to even bother with. Plan on getting a new MB in a couple > > of weeks which should solve any problems, but I want to use my DVD Rom > > before then... > > What model of ECS do you own? I have Duron 1.3 based system on an ECS mb > and all works fine > > Smiley > K7VMM and when i did a google search with it and linux, I found many, many pages with people trying to figure out how to get linux MD 9.0 and RH 8.0 on it. I can run LM 8.2 fine off of it but I love 9.0 and do not want to go back to it. I couldn't even use my AGP geforce vid card with it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:01:21 + John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. > I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the > reason yet. > I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. I get Mplayer installed on my M9.0 from plf packages with no problem at all... Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:07:06 -0500 Walt Frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right now I am using a celeron 400 mhz with 512 megs mem. because > mandrake 9.0 has way too many problems on my other computer ECS MB, AMD > duron 1.2 ghz) to even bother with. Plan on getting a new MB in a couple > of weeks which should solve any problems, but I want to use my DVD Rom > before then... What model of ECS do you own? I have Duron 1.3 based system on an ECS mb and all works fine Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
On Monday 06 January 2003 02:42, Jason Greenwood wrote: > Ahhh, I see. Great advice. I might even give this a try myself as > sometimes the CD copying within GUI apps is, um, dodgy. Thanks for the > mini-tutorial. =) > I am learning SOOO much about devices, interrupts, SCSI emulation, USB > etc., since having so many peripheral problems...hehe. > > Cheers > > Jason WOO i made a mistake! wait wait wait. That line is not to be added to /root/.bashrc but to the bashrc of the user you normally log in as. Let's say your usual login is jason, then the alias line would go into /home/jason/.bashrc clumsy me. Sorry. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
On Monday 06 January 2003 02:42, Jason Greenwood wrote: > Ahhh, I see. Great advice. I might even give this a try myself as > sometimes the CD copying within GUI apps is, um, dodgy. yup. Especially Audio Cd's, which this alias is for. >Thanks for the > mini-tutorial. =) You're welcome. I hope it helps. > Cheers > > Jason Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
Ahhh, I see. Great advice. I might even give this a try myself as sometimes the CD copying within GUI apps is, um, dodgy. Thanks for the mini-tutorial. =) I am learning SOOO much about devices, interrupts, SCSI emulation, USB etc., since having so many peripheral problems...hehe. Cheers Jason Damian Gatabria wrote: On Monday 06 January 2003 01:24, Jason Greenwood wrote: [root@diggy jason]# copy-audio-cd bash: copy-audio-cd: command not found [root@diggy jason]# [root@diggy jason]# burn-audio-cd bash: burn-audio-cd: command not found [root@diggy jason]# ??? Sorry Jason, that's a "mi-computer-only" kind of thing. Read my previous posts. It was an alias i made. If you want it, here it is. First, I ran cdrecord --scanbus to see where my burner is. The output of cdrecord --scanbus gives me: scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) * 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CD-R/RW SW-212B ' 'BS05' Removable CD-ROM 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * So i know that my burner is in 0,3,0 Then, I added this line at the end of /root/.bashrc alias copy-audio-cd = "su; rm -rf /tmp/wavs; mkdir /tmp/wavs; cd /tmp/wavs; cdparanoia -B; cdrecord -v -audio -eject speed=12 -dev=0,3,0 ./*.wav" Of course, if you want this, you'll have to change the " -dev=0,3,0 " to fit your burner location, and the " speed=12 " to any other burning speed you might like. Oh, and one last thing. If you are trying to copy a very old and scratched CD, "cdparanoia -B" might get stuck trying to get a perfect read from under a scratch. If you see that the ripping process is taking too long, you can add a Y or even a Z to it. Like this: cdparanoia -BY (this will make for a faster and less perfect ripping from scratched or old CD's) cdparanoia -BZ (this will disable ALL error checking, making for the fastest method, but possibly resulting in clicky/jittered/choppy rips. Not recommended.) Once this line is in your /root/.bashrc, just insert an audio CD in the reader device, a blank CD in your burner, open up a console, type copy-audio-cd, enter the root password when it asks for it, sit back and watch. :o) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
On Monday 06 January 2003 01:24, Jason Greenwood wrote: > [root@diggy jason]# copy-audio-cd > bash: copy-audio-cd: command not found > [root@diggy jason]# > [root@diggy jason]# burn-audio-cd > bash: burn-audio-cd: command not found > [root@diggy jason]# > > ??? Sorry Jason, that's a "mi-computer-only" kind of thing. Read my previous posts. It was an alias i made. If you want it, here it is. First, I ran cdrecord --scanbus to see where my burner is. The output of cdrecord --scanbus gives me: scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) * 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CD-R/RW SW-212B ' 'BS05' Removable CD-ROM 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * So i know that my burner is in 0,3,0 Then, I added this line at the end of /root/.bashrc alias copy-audio-cd = "su; rm -rf /tmp/wavs; mkdir /tmp/wavs; cd /tmp/wavs; cdparanoia -B; cdrecord -v -audio -eject speed=12 -dev=0,3,0 ./*.wav" Of course, if you want this, you'll have to change the " -dev=0,3,0 " to fit your burner location, and the " speed=12 " to any other burning speed you might like. Oh, and one last thing. If you are trying to copy a very old and scratched CD, "cdparanoia -B" might get stuck trying to get a perfect read from under a scratch. If you see that the ripping process is taking too long, you can add a Y or even a Z to it. Like this: cdparanoia -BY (this will make for a faster and less perfect ripping from scratched or old CD's) cdparanoia -BZ (this will disable ALL error checking, making for the fastest method, but possibly resulting in clicky/jittered/choppy rips. Not recommended.) Once this line is in your /root/.bashrc, just insert an audio CD in the reader device, a blank CD in your burner, open up a console, type copy-audio-cd, enter the root password when it asks for it, sit back and watch. :o) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
[root@diggy jason]# copy-audio-cd bash: copy-audio-cd: command not found [root@diggy jason]# [root@diggy jason]# burn-audio-cd bash: burn-audio-cd: command not found [root@diggy jason]# ??? Damian Gatabria wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 21:39, Jason Greenwood wrote: As for copying CD's, I agree, you COULD use the command line but why would you?? There are many GUI based CD ripping/burning/copying Well, when my sister wanted to learn how to copy an audio CD, and i started thinking about the (several) ways to do it.. After some thought, i threw away the little "manual" i was writing on a piece of paper for her, and told her "open up the xterm and type "copy-audio-cd"... she thought it was easy, i did not need to explain anything else to her, so we were both happy. :o) utilities out there. When trying to convert Windows users to Linux I ALWAYS try and use GUI apps., otherwise Windows users tend to think of Linux as a geek only OS, which is totally wrong. Besides, I find Windoze Of course, i would never tie them up to the CLI, but when the time comes to burn a CD, nothing beats "burn-audio-cd" ;oPPP ---WARNING, LONG OT, UN-CALLED FOR RANT --- Anyway, none in my family understand exactly what is the difference between Linux and Windows (they do not have a clear idea of what an OS is) and rather than "geek" they tend to think (and i've heard them say so once or twice) : "Damian's computer is 'experts-only'." And there are times when they get fed up with the "Works almost like windows, but a little different" --And i'm not talking about KDE, they have no probs with it, it's the programs themselves, they do not feel exactly at home with them -- and end up falling back to the dissapointing "never mind, i'll do it at the office tomorrow." My personal opinion on this is that they do not care about typing "burn-audio-cd" (she was relieved it was that easy), but they do care about stuff being done fast and simple. OpenOffice is a prime example. When my father launched OO because he needed to edit a spreadsheet, he said "It's almost a copy of excell!". I liked that comment because i hoped for him to get used to it quickly. But then, he wanted to do this and that and the other thing i do at the office and blah blah .. and he quickly lost his patience, because it's "almost the same, but instead of clicking here, i had to go there, and how was i supposed to know?" And that led him to take four or five times the amount of time to accomplish the same tasks. One might argue about the re-learning being a one-time-only kind of thing, but after many discussions with my parents relating "why is my computer so hard to use" i was drawn to a very bitter conclusion: Most users DO NOT know what an OS is, they do not WANT to know (quote from my father: "If I want to open the door, i should not be forced to know about the lock's inner workings") and they learn how to do the stuff they need to do, and repeat it when they need it without even thinking about it. Truly, they "know" nothing about the PC. they just use it the way they learnt to, and if you change them that, they are utterly lost. If they have to re-learn how to accomplish a task, then it doesn't matter if the program they have to use is a MS-look-alike. To them it's almost like learning from scratch. And they do not want to bother. As you can see, i'm very interested in this stuff and my family is the "guinnea pig". (is that spelled correctly?) users REQUIRE eye candy to find an OS usefull. ;) My computer is FAR prettier than Windows, rest assured :o) Besides, everyone that uses this computers find Mandrake's menu layout very logical and simple, they find the apps they need to use without problems, web browsers, IM and e-mail programs work just like in Windows so no problem there I would say Linux is almost ready for the Desktop. And, more than eye candy, it's ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED that they feel they do not need to give it a lot of thought about how to achieve their PC-related tasks. In my opinion, the easiest way for Linux growth is to get people to use it when they are yet to learn anything else. Regards, Jason Bye. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sunday 05 January 2003 08:07 pm, Walt Frampus wrote: > Right now I am using a celeron 400 mhz with 512 megs mem. because > mandrake 9.0 has way too many problems on my other computer ECS MB, AMD > duron 1.2 ghz) to even bother with. Plan on getting a new MB in a couple > of weeks which should solve any problems, but I want to use my DVD Rom > before then... Are you using the win32 codecs? -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 07:55, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > > > funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. > > I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the > > reason yet. > > I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. > > > > >but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on > > >this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... > > > > > >Walt > > > > John > > I've got a faster 'puter now (AMD XP2100) but I had Mplayer running just fine > on my 900 mhz Athlon and my sons' 850 mhz Duron. > > What CPU/mem are you using? > Right now I am using a celeron 400 mhz with 512 megs mem. because mandrake 9.0 has way too many problems on my other computer ECS MB, AMD duron 1.2 ghz) to even bother with. Plan on getting a new MB in a couple of weeks which should solve any problems, but I want to use my DVD Rom before then... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
Along the lines of what Damian Gatabria wrote: When I first started working at MCI Network Engineering in Richardson, Tx., I was confronted with a userbase that ONLY knew OS/2 and another userbase that ONLY knew Solaris. Getting them to change to Windows was unbelievably tough and excruciating - so in the same tone, it's only what you're familiar with - when people are ONLY familiar with one thing, any change that comes is hard - especially when they really don't need to know about computers or programs or OS's. I've had some great successes with selling linux based computers; especially to either folks over 50 or kids under 20. To them, there really isn't a learning curve - because it's all they know. The ages in between are the hardest to deal with because they're the ones stuck in the Windows rut (remember that a rut is a grave with both ends kicked out of it)(g). I'm just happy that my children use iMacs at school, Mac, linux and Windows at home - and their perceptions of process and applications aren't hampered by OS's at all - a job that needs to be done is done - albeit differently, but same thing, with no quandary. -- Mon Jan 6 12:00:00 EST 2003 12:00pm up 1 day, 15:08, 6 users, load average: 0.60, 0.38, 0.40 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Homer: Dig him up!!! Dig up that corpse! If you really love Jebediah Springfield, you'll haul his bones out of the ground to prove my daughter wrong! Dig up his grave! Pull out his tongue! Quimby: Can't we have one meeting that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse? Lisa the Iconoclast Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. > I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the > reason yet. > I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. > > >but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on > >this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... > > > >Walt > > John I've got a faster 'puter now (AMD XP2100) but I had Mplayer running just fine on my 900 mhz Athlon and my sons' 850 mhz Duron. What CPU/mem are you using? -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!! -OT
On Sunday 05 January 2003 21:39, Jason Greenwood wrote: > As for copying CD's, I agree, you COULD use the command line but why > would you?? There are many GUI based CD ripping/burning/copying Well, when my sister wanted to learn how to copy an audio CD, and i started thinking about the (several) ways to do it.. After some thought, i threw away the little "manual" i was writing on a piece of paper for her, and told her "open up the xterm and type "copy-audio-cd"... she thought it was easy, i did not need to explain anything else to her, so we were both happy. :o) > utilities out there. When trying to convert Windows users to Linux I > ALWAYS try and use GUI apps., otherwise Windows users tend to think of > Linux as a geek only OS, which is totally wrong. Besides, I find Windoze Of course, i would never tie them up to the CLI, but when the time comes to burn a CD, nothing beats "burn-audio-cd" ;oPPP ---WARNING, LONG OT, UN-CALLED FOR RANT --- Anyway, none in my family understand exactly what is the difference between Linux and Windows (they do not have a clear idea of what an OS is) and rather than "geek" they tend to think (and i've heard them say so once or twice) : "Damian's computer is 'experts-only'." And there are times when they get fed up with the "Works almost like windows, but a little different" --And i'm not talking about KDE, they have no probs with it, it's the programs themselves, they do not feel exactly at home with them -- and end up falling back to the dissapointing "never mind, i'll do it at the office tomorrow." My personal opinion on this is that they do not care about typing "burn-audio-cd" (she was relieved it was that easy), but they do care about stuff being done fast and simple. OpenOffice is a prime example. When my father launched OO because he needed to edit a spreadsheet, he said "It's almost a copy of excell!". I liked that comment because i hoped for him to get used to it quickly. But then, he wanted to do this and that and the other thing i do at the office and blah blah .. and he quickly lost his patience, because it's "almost the same, but instead of clicking here, i had to go there, and how was i supposed to know?" And that led him to take four or five times the amount of time to accomplish the same tasks. One might argue about the re-learning being a one-time-only kind of thing, but after many discussions with my parents relating "why is my computer so hard to use" i was drawn to a very bitter conclusion: Most users DO NOT know what an OS is, they do not WANT to know (quote from my father: "If I want to open the door, i should not be forced to know about the lock's inner workings") and they learn how to do the stuff they need to do, and repeat it when they need it without even thinking about it. Truly, they "know" nothing about the PC. they just use it the way they learnt to, and if you change them that, they are utterly lost. If they have to re-learn how to accomplish a task, then it doesn't matter if the program they have to use is a MS-look-alike. To them it's almost like learning from scratch. And they do not want to bother. As you can see, i'm very interested in this stuff and my family is the "guinnea pig". (is that spelled correctly?) > users REQUIRE eye candy to find an OS usefull. ;) My computer is FAR prettier than Windows, rest assured :o) Besides, everyone that uses this computers find Mandrake's menu layout very logical and simple, they find the apps they need to use without problems, web browsers, IM and e-mail programs work just like in Windows so no problem there I would say Linux is almost ready for the Desktop. And, more than eye candy, it's ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED that they feel they do not need to give it a lot of thought about how to achieve their PC-related tasks. In my opinion, the easiest way for Linux growth is to get people to use it when they are yet to learn anything else. > > Regards, > > Jason Bye. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 6:17 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > On Sunday 05 January 2003 19:18, you wrote: > > Damian, HOW did you get to the point in your Linux experince that you > > found out he answer to Walt's question? > > What are good ways to learn this stuff to get to the point of helping > > others? Keith > > Hi. > > Well, i don't consider myself a very experienced Linux user yet, > as most of the posts i read here generate answers or comments > that often exceed my experience. > > I probably have a considerable amount of experience dealing > with the more "common" apps since this is the use i'm trying > to give to my computer. > > I live with my parents, and the occasional > visit from my sisters who might want to open an excell spreadsheet, > or a video file. > > Since my family is, of course, only familiar with Windows, my effort > to keep Linux installed on this computer has led me to the need > to make stuff as dumbed-down as possible. As an example, > one day i was asked "how do i copy a CD in Linux?".. After > making a swift attempt to explain superuser mode, cdrecord, > cdparanoia and whatnot, i ended up making an alias for it. Something > like: > alias burn-audio-cd="su;cd tmp;rm -rf ./*.wav;cdparanoia -B;cdrecord -audio > -v -dev=0,3,0 speed=12 ./*.wav" > > so my sister only had to open up a shell, type burn-audio-cd and enter > a password, and everything was done by itself. > Of course, all those parameters i used, (the actual fact of making the > alias itself) came from a lot of "man" reading, and simply trying to make > my computer work. > > I guess i do nothing special, just try to make my computer work > for me and my family, and in the meantime, i get to learn a lot about it. > > I dream about being able to use what i'm learning to help make a Linux > distribution (maybe help Mdk)... maybe someday in the future. Who knows. > > Damian Hey - whatever works for you and yours. Personally I use lots of gui apps, not because they're dumbed down, particularly, but because I generally need to get a job done. I then try to learn all I can in between. BTW, I copy cds through xCDRoast - a gui app, and easy to learn. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
As for copying CD's, I agree, you COULD use the command line but why would you?? There are many GUI based CD ripping/burning/copying utilities out there. When trying to convert Windows users to Linux I ALWAYS try and use GUI apps., otherwise Windows users tend to think of Linux as a geek only OS, which is totally wrong. Besides, I find Windoze users REQUIRE eye candy to find an OS usefull. ;) Regards, Jason Damian Gatabria wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 19:18, you wrote: Damian, HOW did you get to the point in your Linux experince that you found out he answer to Walt's question? What are good ways to learn this stuff to get to the point of helping others? Keith Hi. Well, i don't consider myself a very experienced Linux user yet, as most of the posts i read here generate answers or comments that often exceed my experience. I probably have a considerable amount of experience dealing with the more "common" apps since this is the use i'm trying to give to my computer. I live with my parents, and the occasional visit from my sisters who might want to open an excell spreadsheet, or a video file. Since my family is, of course, only familiar with Windows, my effort to keep Linux installed on this computer has led me to the need to make stuff as dumbed-down as possible. As an example, one day i was asked "how do i copy a CD in Linux?".. After making a swift attempt to explain superuser mode, cdrecord, cdparanoia and whatnot, i ended up making an alias for it. Something like: alias burn-audio-cd="su;cd tmp;rm -rf ./*.wav;cdparanoia -B;cdrecord -audio -v -dev=0,3,0 speed=12 ./*.wav" so my sister only had to open up a shell, type burn-audio-cd and enter a password, and everything was done by itself. Of course, all those parameters i used, (the actual fact of making the alias itself) came from a lot of "man" reading, and simply trying to make my computer work. I guess i do nothing special, just try to make my computer work for me and my family, and in the meantime, i get to learn a lot about it. I dream about being able to use what i'm learning to help make a Linux distribution (maybe help Mdk)... maybe someday in the future. Who knows. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
<< On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:36:41 -0500 >> Walt Frampus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am now using mandrake linux 9.0 99.9% of the time. I only have one program > that I have to use windows for. Since I had so many problems installing linux > on my ECS motherboard, I switched back to my slower computer until I can get > a new motherboard. I decided the only way I was going to learn and use linux > was to just use it. I am working out the geforce driver issues and Java etc. > but so far, everything is going smoothly. MPlayer did tell me that my > computer was too slow to play DVD's but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on > this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... > > Walt > > << ~~~ >> I have 400 celeron from year 97 and have no problem playing anything with MPlayer in the opposite, I am totally unable to play with ogle or xine, they just show one frame every second or 2. With Mplayer my processor usage is only 30% - 40%. Jus in any case check what video device MPlayer uses, and try something else also. When I installed then the one it suggested and took in use by default refused to paly anything at all Im using "xv" now, and works just fine. Kristjan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!]
Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:14:39 + John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ralph, This guy is having the same problem as me. John If you find the video lags behind the sound, use the -framedrop parameter when launching MPlayer and your problems will be gone. also, in a terminal, you can use "mplayer -vo help" to see which drivers you have available. Some may be faster than others. And sound drivers also affect speed Hi John, Does this actually solve you problems? not for me. I played with some of the video drivers, but then I'm not sure what to use. In my case the vieo didn't actually lag behind the sound but I get the same message about the video stream being too slow etc etc. But it is the same problem I probably have more processor of something. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
Walt Frampus wrote: I am now using mandrake linux 9.0 99.9% of the time. I only have one program that I have to use windows for. Since I had so many problems installing linux on my ECS motherboard, I switched back to my slower computer until I can get a new motherboard. I decided the only way I was going to learn and use linux was to just use it. I am working out the geforce driver issues and Java etc. but so far, everything is going smoothly. MPlayer did tell me that my computer was too slow to play DVD's funny you should mention that I'm having much the same message too. I don't think mplayer is instyalling right with M9.0 , don't know the reason yet. I'm beginning to suspect the compiler. but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... Walt John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
Walt: Congratulations! Hopefully you will find the move very satisfying and freeing. It was for me a few years back. Again, congrats and good luck. Steve On 04 Jan 2003 23:27 CST you wrote: > I am now using mandrake linux 9.0 99.9% of the time. I only have one program > that I have to use windows for. Since I had so many problems installing linux > on my ECS motherboard, I switched back to my slower computer until I can get > a new motherboard. I decided the only way I was going to learn and use linux > was to just use it. I am working out the geforce driver issues and Java etc. > but so far, everything is going smoothly. MPlayer did tell me that my > computer was too slow to play DVD's but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on > this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... > > Walt > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
On Saturday 04 January 2003 09:53 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > MPlayer did tell me that my computer was too slow to play DVD's > > > but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on this computer under windows. oh > > well, back to optimizing my machine... > > > > Walt > > If you find the video lags behind the sound, use the -framedrop > parameter when launching MPlayer and your problems will be gone. > also, in a terminal, you can use "mplayer -vo help" to see which > drivers you have available. Some may be faster than others. And > sound drivers also affect speed > > Damian Try ogle http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ it is bit better handels the dvd play back when mplayer. Yankl Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I finally did it!!
MPlayer did tell me that my computer was too slow to play DVD's > but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on this computer under windows. oh > well, back to optimizing my machine... > > Walt If you find the video lags behind the sound, use the -framedrop parameter when launching MPlayer and your problems will be gone. also, in a terminal, you can use "mplayer -vo help" to see which drivers you have available. Some may be faster than others. And sound drivers also affect speed Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I finally did it!!
I am now using mandrake linux 9.0 99.9% of the time. I only have one program that I have to use windows for. Since I had so many problems installing linux on my ECS motherboard, I switched back to my slower computer until I can get a new motherboard. I decided the only way I was going to learn and use linux was to just use it. I am working out the geforce driver issues and Java etc. but so far, everything is going smoothly. MPlayer did tell me that my computer was too slow to play DVD's but I had no problems with the DVD ROM on this computer under windows. oh well, back to optimizing my machine... Walt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
