Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
kconfigure + checkinstall are the best combo. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:53, John Rye wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:18:34 +0200 > > "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so, nobody knows of a program that will install .tar automatically? > > Take a look at kconfigure you should be able to locate via freshmeat > > It's a nice GUI > > Cheers > > John > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing Programs > > > > > > I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, however, > > > > some > > > > > > ti> me the rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. > > > > > > > and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. > > > > > > Correct. An .i386.rpm is optimised for 80386. > > > > > > > which means my only alternative for a good install for the pentium > > > > class > > > > > > wo> uld be any tarball format. > > > > > > Or locate the rpm at http://www.rpmfind.net and select an i586.rpm file > > > if it is available. > > > > > > he> lp doing "make, install" whatever so i downloaded this command line > > > > tool > > > > > ca> lled alien that wil supposedly do the job automatically. > > > > > > Normally this is not so difficult. > > > the sequence of commands I use is: > > > > > > /configure > > > make > > > su > > > make install > > > exit > > > > > > > however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... and > > > > admitedly i > > > > m > > > > > > a recovering windows user. > > > > > > This will only go a limited stretch, I think. RpmDrake can assist you > > > in doing a lot, because it knows the installed base of files, and has > > > access to a repository of what still can be installed. > > > In what you want, the program should know of all there is to be > > > installed, where to get it and be able to go out and fetch it too. > > > Sounds too good to be true, almost! :-) > > > > > > > i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its in .tar > > > > format) > > > > > > but am not sure about it as the reviews on it dont give it a 5 out of > > > > 5. > > > > > > Never looked at it/tried it... > > > > > > > SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? > > > > > > If you run into it, please share the list :) > > > > > > Paul > > > > - > >--- > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > _ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:18:34 +0200 "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so, nobody knows of a program that will install .tar automatically? Take a look at kconfigure you should be able to locate via freshmeat It's a nice GUI Cheers John > - Original Message - > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing Programs > > > > > I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, however, some > > ti> me the rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. > > > and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. > > > > Correct. An .i386.rpm is optimised for 80386. > > > > > which means my only alternative for a good install for the pentium class > > wo> uld be any tarball format. > > > > Or locate the rpm at http://www.rpmfind.net and select an i586.rpm file if > > it is available. > > > > he> lp doing "make, install" whatever so i downloaded this command line > tool > > ca> lled alien that wil supposedly do the job automatically. > > > > Normally this is not so difficult. > > the sequence of commands I use is: > > > > /configure > > make > > su > > make install > > exit > > > > > however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... and admitedly i > m > > > a recovering windows user. > > > > This will only go a limited stretch, I think. RpmDrake can assist you in > > doing a lot, because it knows the installed base of files, and has access > > to a repository of what still can be installed. > > In what you want, the program should know of all there is to be installed, > > where to get it and be able to go out and fetch it too. Sounds too good > > to be true, almost! :-) > > > > > i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its in .tar > format) > > > but am not sure about it as the reviews on it dont give it a 5 out of 5. > > > > Never looked at it/tried it... > > > > > SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? > > > > If you run into it, please share the list :) > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.) Registered Linux User: 102826ICQ#: 89345394 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
FW: [newbie] Installing Programs
Sorry, i forgot to post to the list. -- Jamie >-- >From: Tim Holmes[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Reply To: Tim Holmes >Sent: 14 August 2001 12:02 >To:Adams, Jamie >Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing Programs > >A lot of times you can use the command: > >make deinstall > >But check the documentation on that. And even then it does a "Windows >like" uninstall. It leaves bits and pieces around. Personally, if you >have the disk space, I'd just leave it. I'm working with 50 GB in my >personal workstation. I'm not hard pressed for disk space, so I just >leave it. But your situation may be completely different. >tdh > > >-- >T. Holmes >- >UNIXTECHS.org >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >"Real Men Use Vi!" > >Uptime: > > 6:57am up 12 days, 17:52, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > >| I dont mind installing from source, once you have most of the more >| regularly needed libraries installed, most tarballs install without a >| hitch, the only that that bothers me is that i dont know how to >| *uninstall* the program.. >| >| With RPM its easy.. unless someone can point me to an easy way to >| uninstall a compiled tarball? >| >| _ >| This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet >| delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further >| information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call >| Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. > -- > >_ >This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet >delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further >information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call >Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. > _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
so, nobody knows of a program that will install .tar automatically? - Original Message - From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing Programs > > I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, however, some > ti> me the rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. > > and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. > > Correct. An .i386.rpm is optimised for 80386. > > > which means my only alternative for a good install for the pentium class > wo> uld be any tarball format. > > Or locate the rpm at http://www.rpmfind.net and select an i586.rpm file if > it is available. > > he> lp doing "make, install" whatever so i downloaded this command line tool > ca> lled alien that wil supposedly do the job automatically. > > Normally this is not so difficult. > the sequence of commands I use is: > > /configure > make > su > make install > exit > > > however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... and admitedly i m > > a recovering windows user. > > This will only go a limited stretch, I think. RpmDrake can assist you in > doing a lot, because it knows the installed base of files, and has access > to a repository of what still can be installed. > In what you want, the program should know of all there is to be installed, > where to get it and be able to go out and fetch it too. Sounds too good > to be true, almost! :-) > > > i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its in .tar format) > > but am not sure about it as the reviews on it dont give it a 5 out of 5. > > Never looked at it/tried it... > > > SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? > > If you run into it, please share the list :) > > Paul > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Installing Programs
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of Tim Holmes > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Linux Newbie > Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing Programs > > > A RPM that was created for i386 will work just fine for ix86. I > wouldn't even worry about it. It will do the trick and work > just fine. > I highly doubt you'd even notice the difference. --Insert--- Since the orig post noted finding RPMs for RH 6.0 and 7.0 it is important to note that the RPMs for RH 6.0 are rpm 3 based whereas those for 7.0 are 4 based. What this translate to is that if you are running Mandrake 7.2 or earlier you need to use the 6.0 built rpms. I you are running 8.0 you can use either, though the 7.0s will be the most recent. Charles (-: > > But if you're hell bent on installing and configuring more up to date > software then you can go the tarball route. > > As Paul mentioned in his post, you can go that route, but read the > README and INSTALL file that come with about 98% of tarballz. > They will > tell you if you can run a make dep, or a make clean, or if you should > even do that. And in some cases there isn't even a configure that you > can use, you just need to make and make install. So check > out the docs > that come with the software. > > But Paul is right, for the most part, those are the steps > you'd use for > installing software from source. > > ./configure > make > make install > > You can add make dep, or make depend after the make line, then add a > make clean after the make depend, or after the make. > > Personally I like installing software from source, but that's just me. > RPMs are more uniform with where they put software, and that can be a > good thing, then again you can do a ./configure --installdir=/usr/bin > and it will do that, but after a while you forget to put that > in there. > tdh > > -- > T. Holmes > - > UNIXTECHS.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > "Real Men Use Vi!" > > Uptime: > > 12:03pm up 11 days, 22:57, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 > > | Hello, > | > | I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, > however, some time the rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. > | and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. > | > | which means my only alternative for a good install for the > pentium class would be any tarball format. > | and tho i have had my linux box for a while, i m still a > newbie and need help doing "make, install" whatever so i > downloaded this command line tool called alien that wil > supposedly do the job automatically. > | > | however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... > and admitedly i m a recovering windows user. > | > | i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its > in .tar format) but am not sure about it as the reviews on it > dont give it a 5 out of 5. > | > | SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? > | > | thanks > -- > > -- > T. Holmes > - > UNIXTECHS.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > "Real Men Use Vi!" > > Uptime: > > 12:03pm up 11 days, 22:57, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
A RPM that was created for i386 will work just fine for ix86. I wouldn't even worry about it. It will do the trick and work just fine. I highly doubt you'd even notice the difference. But if you're hell bent on installing and configuring more up to date software then you can go the tarball route. As Paul mentioned in his post, you can go that route, but read the README and INSTALL file that come with about 98% of tarballz. They will tell you if you can run a make dep, or a make clean, or if you should even do that. And in some cases there isn't even a configure that you can use, you just need to make and make install. So check out the docs that come with the software. But Paul is right, for the most part, those are the steps you'd use for installing software from source. ./configure make make install You can add make dep, or make depend after the make line, then add a make clean after the make depend, or after the make. Personally I like installing software from source, but that's just me. RPMs are more uniform with where they put software, and that can be a good thing, then again you can do a ./configure --installdir=/usr/bin and it will do that, but after a while you forget to put that in there. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Use Vi!" Uptime: 12:03pm up 11 days, 22:57, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 | Hello, | | I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, however, some time the |rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. | and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. | | which means my only alternative for a good install for the pentium class would be |any tarball format. | and tho i have had my linux box for a while, i m still a newbie and need help doing |"make, install" whatever so i downloaded this command line tool called alien that wil |supposedly do the job automatically. | | however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... and admitedly i m a |recovering windows user. | | i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its in .tar format) but am |not sure about it as the reviews on it dont give it a 5 out of 5. | | SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? | | thanks -- -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Use Vi!" Uptime: 12:03pm up 11 days, 22:57, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
> I occaisionally download programs from the net for my box, however, some ti> me the rpms are in rh6.0 or rh7.0 format. > and that would mean they are optimised for the 386(?) cpu. Correct. An .i386.rpm is optimised for 80386. > which means my only alternative for a good install for the pentium class wo> uld be any tarball format. Or locate the rpm at http://www.rpmfind.net and select an i586.rpm file if it is available. he> lp doing "make, install" whatever so i downloaded this command line tool ca> lled alien that wil supposedly do the job automatically. Normally this is not so difficult. the sequence of commands I use is: /configure make su make install exit > however, i want something like rpmdrake... with a gui... and admitedly i m > a recovering windows user. This will only go a limited stretch, I think. RpmDrake can assist you in doing a lot, because it knows the installed base of files, and has access to a repository of what still can be installed. In what you want, the program should know of all there is to be installed, where to get it and be able to go out and fetch it too. Sounds too good to be true, almost! :-) > i have been to www.kde.org and found kinstall (and yes its in .tar format) > but am not sure about it as the reviews on it dont give it a 5 out of 5. Never looked at it/tried it... > SO I was wondering if there was anything better than KInstall? If you run into it, please share the list :) Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Installing programs need some help....
I am using KDE. So there are different applications based on the GUI that you are running? (Can you tell that I am new at this!) How do you manually add something to the menus? Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Currey Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Installing programs need some help Tim, It really depends on the program and your system. I don't have aim, but yahoo's install didn't put anything anywhere, except the executable, which crashes with a core dump when conecting. You didn't say which GUI menu system you are using, so it would be difficult to try to tell you how to get it on the menu. If you are using KDE, it would be easiest to install KDE applications, as generally, they add themselves to the menus (except kexpress). You can add things manually, but they dissapear when you add other things it seems. BobC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Parker Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Installing programs need some help I just setup Internet Connection sharing on my Win2k machine and started working more with my LM 7.0 box and the internet. I installed an instant messenger clone as something to mess with. Upon installing it (no errors) I can't seem to find it on any menu??? I searched and found a file called aim that i then clicked on and it ran, that can't be right, can it?? tim
RE: [newbie] Installing programs need some help....
Tim, It really depends on the program and your system. I don't have aim, but yahoo's install didn't put anything anywhere, except the executable, which crashes with a core dump when conecting. You didn't say which GUI menu system you are using, so it would be difficult to try to tell you how to get it on the menu. If you are using KDE, it would be easiest to install KDE applications, as generally, they add themselves to the menus (except kexpress). You can add things manually, but they dissapear when you add other things it seems. BobC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Parker Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Installing programs need some help I just setup Internet Connection sharing on my Win2k machine and started working more with my LM 7.0 box and the internet. I installed an instant messenger clone as something to mess with. Upon installing it (no errors) I can't seem to find it on any menu??? I searched and found a file called aim that i then clicked on and it ran, that can't be right, can it?? tim
[newbie] Installing programs need some help....
I just setup Internet Connection sharing on my Win2k machine and started working more with my LM 7.0 box and the internet. I installed an instant messenger clone as something to mess with. Upon installing it (no errors) I can't seem to find it on any menu??? I searched and found a file called aim that i then clicked on and it ran, that can't be right, can it?? tim
Re: [newbie] installing programs
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, you wrote: well if you want a program to appear under KDE you can create a shortcut on the desktop by left clicking. Most programs are install in the /usr/bin and /usr/lib directory. It's whatever the programs is required to be installed under and not just KDE. There's whole lotta programs you can look for at the KDE website. I think it's apps.kde.com. not sure. Rob > I want to install diferent programs under KDE and i want to know if anyone > knows how i can make them appear on my kstart list, i want to install wine and > some other programs also so if anyone can help me I'll really appreciate it > > Thanx > Julio
[newbie] installing programs
I want to install diferent programs under KDE and i want to know if anyone knows how i can make them appear on my kstart list, i want to install wine and some other programs also so if anyone can help me I'll really appreciate it Thanx Julio
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
Lance & Carrie Borden wrote: > > I've got the concept for installing those programs, but what about directories? > With the rpms, it seems automatic (the programs "know where to go"). What about > .tar files? It says we untar these in the working directory -- is there a > specific "working directory" in Linux, or does that just mean wherever you > happen to have it? Then, for the actual installation...will its Makefile find > the "right place" in the Linux directory to install the program? If not, how > should I choose a destination? > I think "working directory" just means where you untar the file so that you can run actual installation script. Usually installation scripts make directories in the right place and copy the files for you. > Finally, should I be installing each an every program as root (I tried > installing StarOffice as root, but never could figure out how to give permission > for user to run it)? If so, do I log in as root to install, or do I log in as > user and then use the root console to install? > If you want to make StarOffice available for all the users on the system, you have to choose 'network install' option as root. It allows every user to use the program but it also takes up har drive space on each user's directory. If you are on a single user system(where you only have root and a non-previlige user) you can just untar the file on the user's directory and run the installation program. > (And now for the "stupid questions" guy, in case he hasn't migrated to the > expert list...) > Sure, these are basic questions, but EVERYTHING I have read (both in English and > in German) has simply assumed that I understand what to do with .tar files, > where they belong, where to install programs, how to give permissions, etc., but > I don't! I grew up in the Windoze dark ages ... not purely stupid, just not yet > informed! > You know, @#$% happens every once in a while :-) It seems you can't avoid those things on a mailing list like this. Seung-woo Nam
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
Lance & Carrie Borden wrote:
> I've got the concept for installing those programs, but what about directories?
> With the rpms, it seems automatic (the programs "know where to go"). What about
> .tar files? It says we untar these in the working directory -- is there a
> specific "working directory" in Linux, or does that just mean wherever you
> happen to have it?
Yes, wherever YOU are working, right now. Usually the home
directory of the person doing the install, though some people
use /tmp (I wouldn't) and some people make a special directory
under home or usr for all that.
> Then, for the actual installation...will its Makefile find
> the "right place" in the Linux directory to install the program? If not, how
> should I choose a destination?
Often the makefile will install it in the right
place, with the "make install" command. If it
doesn't, you should read any config files it has
to find out where it expects to be, and if it has
none, you can usually put it in "/usr/local/bin",
which is the officially correct place for system-
wide programs that are specific to the local installation.
Also, if you are the only person who will ever use this,
and want to keep things easy to back up, you can make
a "bin" in your home directory and put it in there, so
that when you backup everything, you can just backup
your home directory and know that everything is in there.
> Finally, should I be installing each an every program as root (I tried
> installing StarOffice as root, but never could figure out how to give permission
> for user to run it)?
If you do not install it as root, you should put it
in "/home/yourname/bin", unless it insists on going
somewhere else (as StarOffice may). Even then, you
should put a symbolic link ("man ln" for details) from
the place it was installed to your "bin" directory.
> If so, do I log in as root to install, or do I log in as
> user and then use the root console to install?
Either. Shouldn't make a difference.
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Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
Hey Anthony...THANKS for that description! I've spent my first 2 weeks as a Newbie searching through HOWTOs, bookstores, newsstands and internet, just trying to get some sort of "this is the basic overview" for the silly .tar files, and haven't found one. Your summary is a great help! Can you (or someone else) enlighten us in a related area, too? I've got the concept for installing those programs, but what about directories? With the rpms, it seems automatic (the programs "know where to go"). What about .tar files? It says we untar these in the working directory -- is there a specific "working directory" in Linux, or does that just mean wherever you happen to have it? Then, for the actual installation...will its Makefile find the "right place" in the Linux directory to install the program? If not, how should I choose a destination? Finally, should I be installing each an every program as root (I tried installing StarOffice as root, but never could figure out how to give permission for user to run it)? If so, do I log in as root to install, or do I log in as user and then use the root console to install? (And now for the "stupid questions" guy, in case he hasn't migrated to the expert list...) Sure, these are basic questions, but EVERYTHING I have read (both in English and in German) has simply assumed that I understand what to do with .tar files, where they belong, where to install programs, how to give permissions, etc., but I don't! I grew up in the Windoze dark ages ... not purely stupid, just not yet informed! Thanks for the help! Lance Anthony Huereca wrote: > Installing programs was one of my biggest complaints/problems when I was still a > linux newbie. I can help you on some of the stuff though. First, get the binary > whenever possible. It will save you a ton of headaches. A binary acts more like > a Windows .exe file. Binary's are usually suffixed with a .rpm extention. They > are the easiest to install. Just "su" to root and type in your password at the > prompt. Then, in the directory where you downloaded the file, type "rpm -Uvh > the_program_name.rpm" Now, to run it, just type in the program name, for > example, "licq". > > When someone talks about the source (sometimes abbreviated "src"), they are > talking about a ".tar.gz" file usually. These are slightly more complicated, > and in my experiances, sometimes don't compile. But if you have to download of > one of these, it isn't too hard to install. Go to the directory where you > downloaded it from, and type "tar -zxvf the_file_name.tar.gz" This will unpack > the file, and create a new directory. Go to the new directory, and there should > be a README file in there. Use pico (pico the_readme_file) to read it (or any > other text editor), and it should have further instructions on how to install. > But most of the time, it consists of using "./configure" to configure the files, > then "make", then "make install", in that order. Of course, sometimes it gives > you an error when you do one of the steps in compiling, in which case I can't > really help you. If it all worked, you will have a new binary file (which you > can distinguish because it has a * by it) in the directory you are in. > > As for getting libc, glibc, or any of the others, it's my understanding > (which means I could be wrong) that glibc is the newest, and since I'm assuming > you're using Mandrake 6.0 or better, the glibc file would probally be better. > You'll normally only see the glibc description when dealing with source stuff > though. > > -- > Anthony Huereca > http://m3000.1wh.com > I had a life once..now I have a computer and a modem > > > Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get > > one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful > > if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be > > Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by > > step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most > > trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first > > place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the > > Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like > > 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I > > get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the > > source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my > > head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one > > with this problem! > > > > Thanks! > > > > ^^ > > Jim Garner > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Hey Anthony...THANKS for that description! I've spent my first 2 weeks as a Newbie searching through HOWTOs, bookstores, newsstands and internet, just trying to get some sort of "this is the basic overview" for the silly .tar files. Your summary is a great help! Lance Anthony Huereca wrote: > Installing programs was one of my biggest complaints/problems when I was still a > linux newbie. I can help you on some of the stuff though. First, get the binary > whenever possible. It will save you a ton of headaches. A binary acts more like > a Windows .exe file. Binary's are usually suffixed with a .rpm extention. They > are the easiest to install. Just "su" to root and type in your password at the > prompt. Then, in the directory where you downloaded the file, type "rpm -Uvh > the_program_name.rpm" Now, to run it, just type in the program name, for > example, "licq". > > When someone talks about the source (sometimes abbreviated "src"), they are > talking about a ".tar.gz" file usually. These are slightly more complicated, > and in my experiances, sometimes don't compile. But if you have to download of > one of these, it isn't too hard to install. Go to the directory where you > downloaded it from, and type "tar -zxvf the_file_name.tar.gz" This will unpack > the file, and create a new directory. Go to the new directory, and there should > be a README file in there. Use pico (pico the_readme_file) to read it (or any > other text editor), and it should have further instructions on how to install. > But most of the time, it consists of using "./configure" to configure the files, > then "make", then "make install", in that order. Of course, sometimes it gives > you an error when you do one of the steps in compiling, in which case I can't > really help you. If it all worked, you will have a new binary file (which you > can distinguish because it has a * by it) in the directory you are in. > > As for getting libc, glibc, or any of the others, it's my understanding > (which means I could be wrong) that glibc is the newest, and since I'm assuming > you're using Mandrake 6.0 or better, the glibc file would probally be better. > You'll normally only see the glibc description when dealing with source stuff > though. > > -- > Anthony Huereca > http://m3000.1wh.com > I had a life once..now I have a computer and a modem > > > Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get > > one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful > > if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be > > Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by > > step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most > > trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first > > place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the > > Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like > > 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I > > get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the > > source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my > > head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one > > with this problem! > > > > Thanks! > > > > ^^ > > Jim Garner > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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I would like to add to what Anthony says. I agree that for man an application, downloading the binary is ideal, but in many cases the person who has written the program might not have written it for your version of the OS. There getting the source has several advantages, the biggest being that if you know how to write code, you can modify the code to suit you. In general if the makefile is yielding errors that are not too difficult to fix. Another advantage of source code : if your OS is upgraded your old binary might not work and you may need to recompile. All that said, for the kind of applications you are likely to be using, binaries are a safe bet. Deepak. Anthony Huereca wrote: > Installing programs was one of my biggest complaints/problems when I was still a > linux newbie. I can help you on some of the stuff though. First, get the binary > whenever possible. It will save you a ton of headaches. A binary acts more like > a Windows .exe file. Binary's are usually suffixed with a .rpm extention. They > are the easiest to install. Just "su" to root and type in your password at the > prompt. Then, in the directory where you downloaded the file, type "rpm -Uvh > the_program_name.rpm" Now, to run it, just type in the program name, for > example, "licq". > > When someone talks about the source (sometimes abbreviated "src"), they are > talking about a ".tar.gz" file usually. These are slightly more complicated, > and in my experiances, sometimes don't compile. But if you have to download of > one of these, it isn't too hard to install. Go to the directory where you > downloaded it from, and type "tar -zxvf the_file_name.tar.gz" This will unpack > the file, and create a new directory. Go to the new directory, and there should > be a README file in there. Use pico (pico the_readme_file) to read it (or any > other text editor), and it should have further instructions on how to install. > But most of the time, it consists of using "./configure" to configure the files, > then "make", then "make install", in that order. Of course, sometimes it gives > you an error when you do one of the steps in compiling, in which case I can't > really help you. If it all worked, you will have a new binary file (which you > can distinguish because it has a * by it) in the directory you are in. > > As for getting libc, glibc, or any of the others, it's my understanding > (which means I could be wrong) that glibc is the newest, and since I'm assuming > you're using Mandrake 6.0 or better, the glibc file would probally be better. > You'll normally only see the glibc description when dealing with source stuff > though. > > -- > Anthony Huereca > http://m3000.1wh.com > I had a life once..now I have a computer and a modem > > > Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get > > one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful > > if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be > > Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by > > step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most > > trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first > > place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the > > Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like > > 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I > > get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the > > source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my > > head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one > > with this problem! > > > > Thanks! > > > > ^^ > > Jim Garner > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- ** Deepak SinghTel : (315)443 1739 (w) Graduate Student (315)472 9659 (h) Dept. of Chemistry Fax : (315)443 4070 Syracuse University email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-014 CST, Syracuse URL : http://web.syr.edu/~desingh NY 13244 "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." --- Salvor Hardin **
Re: [newbie] Installing Programs
Installing programs was one of my biggest complaints/problems when I was still a linux newbie. I can help you on some of the stuff though. First, get the binary whenever possible. It will save you a ton of headaches. A binary acts more like a Windows .exe file. Binary's are usually suffixed with a .rpm extention. They are the easiest to install. Just "su" to root and type in your password at the prompt. Then, in the directory where you downloaded the file, type "rpm -Uvh the_program_name.rpm" Now, to run it, just type in the program name, for example, "licq". When someone talks about the source (sometimes abbreviated "src"), they are talking about a ".tar.gz" file usually. These are slightly more complicated, and in my experiances, sometimes don't compile. But if you have to download of one of these, it isn't too hard to install. Go to the directory where you downloaded it from, and type "tar -zxvf the_file_name.tar.gz" This will unpack the file, and create a new directory. Go to the new directory, and there should be a README file in there. Use pico (pico the_readme_file) to read it (or any other text editor), and it should have further instructions on how to install. But most of the time, it consists of using "./configure" to configure the files, then "make", then "make install", in that order. Of course, sometimes it gives you an error when you do one of the steps in compiling, in which case I can't really help you. If it all worked, you will have a new binary file (which you can distinguish because it has a * by it) in the directory you are in. As for getting libc, glibc, or any of the others, it's my understanding (which means I could be wrong) that glibc is the newest, and since I'm assuming you're using Mandrake 6.0 or better, the glibc file would probally be better. You'll normally only see the glibc description when dealing with source stuff though. -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com I had a life once..now I have a computer and a modem > Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get > one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful > if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be > Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by > step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most > trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first > place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the > Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like > 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I > get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the > source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my > head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one > with this problem! > > Thanks! > > ^^ > Jim Garner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Jim Garner wrote: > Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get > one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful > if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be > Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by > step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most > trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first > place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the > Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like > 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I > get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the > source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my > head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one > with this problem! > > Thanks! > > ^^ > Jim Garner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Hi, You should try installing the RPM for what ever program you want to install. Its as easy as rmp -ivh or when using the source code just look at the README or INSTALL files, it is usually ../configure make make install I would recomment the RPM way until you are confortable with your machine. If you need more info go to www.rpmfind.net Derrick
[newbie] Installing Programs
Ok, I've read so so many docs on installing progs, but I always seem to get one thing wrong, and I dont know what it is!??!! I would be very geratful if someone could go over it, real easy, in a windows user (soon to be Xwindows user if I can get this!) sort of fashion...really s l o w, step by step, and really really easy! The thing I find myself having the most trouble with is knowing what files to even download for a prog in the first place!! Like Licq for example. I go to www.linuxberg.com, check out the Icq for X11 page, and when I see the Licq download description, there's like 6 different files! I mean what's a binary and which one do I get, and do I get glibc or what??! Geez! I've read so much docs that say "get the source, and they ask for I binary get that...blah blah blah...over my head!!!"!! So if you can help me please do, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem! Thanks! ^^ Jim Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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At 11:30 PM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >Just wondering if all program files have to be untarred in root or can they >be untarred in the user account if that is the only account that will use >the program, such as Star Office, I will be the only one using the program. > >Linda When I un-tarred Star Office I read somewhere that it should be done as the user who is going to use it. It worked for me. PenguinCBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #: 9778410 AIM ID: PenguinCBR
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Linda & Mike wrote: > > Hi, > > Just wondering if all program files have to be untarred in root or can they > be untarred in the user account if that is the only account that will use > the program, such as Star Office, I will be the only one using the program. > > Linda I'm not sure. I'm in the same situation. It's possible that only the root operatoris allowed to run the tar program. Create an account for yourself (non root) if you have't already done so, and try it out. -- Lloyd Osten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Linda & Mike wrote: > > Hi, > > Just wondering if all program files have to be untarred in root or can they > be untarred in the user account if that is the only account that will use > the program, such as Star Office, I will be the only one using the program. There shouldn't be any problem at all installing into your personal directory. I don't know that you're going to save much space doing this though, since StarOffice is going to take up just as much space either way. -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] Installing programs
Hi, Just wondering if all program files have to be untarred in root or can they be untarred in the user account if that is the only account that will use the program, such as Star Office, I will be the only one using the program. Linda
