Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Wed, 22 May 2002 12:07:00 +0100 John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 May 2002 04:04, you wrote: > > Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> > > System notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it > > not only doesn't play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE > > is restarted. Is this a known bug or just something about my setup? > > Thanks! ;-) > > > I read with interest and have used myself many of the anachronisms > mentioned, but quite honestly I do not understand what the > relationships are with one another. For instance Alsa, OSS, aRts, etc > etc. I wonder whether someone could write a short potted > history/technical explanation of what they actually do and how they > relate. > > John > -- well i'm much f a newbie about this too, but i'll try to say that i *guess* they are, and then some willing soul with better understanding than me will correct me. ok. OSS ( Open Sound System ) and ALSA ( Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ) are, basically, sets of drivers. they are both what CUPS is to printing. packages that contain drivers for as much devices as possible. some cards are supported by OSS, some other by ALSA and a lot of them are supported by both. you should have noticed a recent post from civileme, stating that it's a very common issue that some people can't get their sound to work right because they have both alsa and oss enabled. this is, having two active drivers, trying to drive the same device. ( i had this problem in 8.1 too ) as for aRTs.. uhmm as far as i can tell, it's a sound server that provides realtime mixing to enable several sound-related programs to work at once ( kinda like having two instances of xmms playing songs simultaneously, compared to getting a 'soundcard busy' when you launch the second xmms ) my guess is that aRTs connects directly to the sound driver. and opens up a server port to let any program wanting to play sound to connect to that server and play it there. aRTs will receive sounds from all applications, mix them up and play them thru the soundcard, so you can hear the stuff simultaneously... DISCLAIMER: all of this stuff COULD and PROBABLY IS dead wrong ;o) anyway, i hope it helps to clear you out a bit .. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 04:04, you wrote: > Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> > System notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it > not only doesn't play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE > is restarted. Is this a known bug or just something about my setup? > Thanks! ;-) I read with interest and have used myself many of the anachronisms mentioned, but quite honestly I do not understand what the relationships are with one another. For instance Alsa, OSS, aRts, etc etc. I wonder whether someone could write a short potted history/technical explanation of what they actually do and how they relate. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
Jerry wrote: > > Mine was throwing some pretty weird stuff at me too I never had a > problem there (cause i never tried it... never could get those sound > previews to work on KDE... GNOME, find but not KDE but then.. the sound > effects themselves work on KDE and not GNOME hmmm) mine were > elsewhere. > > Some oddness was causeing my soundcard to !crackle! randomly.. never did > quite figure out what that was. i recompiled my kernel for something or > another and whatever i changed in make menuconfig fixed it.. most likely > i'd chosen the wrong driver for my soundcard, i figure.. or i had > something conflicting. > > Never could get sound to worky on my Gnome either ... as for crackling I fixed that :) With an eraser. yank soundcard, take white eraser (for preference anyway, use pink if necessary) GENTLY wipe it across the contacts on the card. Blow off remaining dust, if theres a fan, blow it out gently to get rid of dust, and make sure theres no dust in the slot or on the contacts. Reseat card, should be fine. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 12:58 am, Damian G wrote: > > commandlline without having to log out and restart kde just last night > > for this reason. Anyone know? > well, i'm pretty sure you already know about this, but i'll give it a > try... > i think you can do a > killall -9 artsd > and then > artsd & > would that work? yep, that does it. Thanks. :) -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 09:00 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > have you tried 'service sound restart' as root? Yeah, had tried that too. It didn't effect arts. Damian's idea works tho. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 06:19 am, Michael Adams wrote: > > > A friend and myself were trying to figure out how to restart arts by > > > the commandlline without having to log out and restart kde just last > > > night for this reason. Anyone know? > I don't have artsd running. At least i don't think so (still getting my > head around the various daemons). But you could try > service -full-restart artsd > It should force a full restart if "service" knows about it. Try "service > -s" and see if it is in your list. Service is in /sbin by the way, so it is > only in root's $PATH. > > Michael It's not under service. I had tried that. thanks tho. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
Mine was throwing some pretty weird stuff at me too I never had a problem there (cause i never tried it... never could get those sound previews to work on KDE... GNOME, find but not KDE but then.. the sound effects themselves work on KDE and not GNOME hmmm) mine were elsewhere. Some oddness was causeing my soundcard to !crackle! randomly.. never did quite figure out what that was. i recompiled my kernel for something or another and whatever i changed in make menuconfig fixed it.. most likely i'd chosen the wrong driver for my soundcard, i figure.. or i had something conflicting. On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 21:04, darklord wrote: > Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> System > notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it not only doesn't > play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE is restarted. Is this a > known bug or just something about my setup? Thanks! ;-) > > -- > /\ >Dark> \/ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
i DO know a fix for THIS one... use alsamixer. mine starts up with the init at runlevel 5. haven't had a problem since! hope this helps :-) On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 22:22, Dimitris Ioannou wrote: > Στις Τρι 21 Μαι 2002 07:04, ο/η Ronald J. Hall έγραψε: > > Hi folks, > I'm sorry to burst in but I have no problems, thanks God so far, I have an > FM801 soundcard (4 Euros it costed when I bought it late 1998),. Only thing > sometimes, when I start KDE 3.0 I'm in now, there is no sound but that's > because I need to go to Aumix and put the Volume up, and while I everytime I > save the setting, everytime I restart KDE it goes to zero again and have to > put it up again. > > Cheers > Dimitris > > > > > Damian G wrote: > > > > > > > > >Oh, by the way, i've upgraded to a newer build now, but with the > > >3.0.0.0.0-released-30-seconds-ago KDE sometimes the aRTs sound server > > > started on it's own, unpredictably, leaving all my multimedia apps kinda > > > confused... > > > > > >so, no. you are not alone. > > > > > >Damian > > > > Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not got > > a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... > > > > What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... > > -- > > Registered Linux User 271321 > This message was sent > from a Microsoft_Free PC. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Mon, 20 May 2002, darklord wrote: It seems that we all have the same problem! But for me it is really at random! (I mean... sometimes it happens, sometimes not!) So I never know if I have sound or not just until I need it or it's too late. I just typed: service --status-all and got two entries for sound! One at the very begining and the other at the end of the ouput! Ricardo >Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> System >notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it not only doesn't >play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE is restarted. Is this a >known bug or just something about my setup? Thanks! ;-) > > -- == Linux user # 102240 => Machine # 96125 => Seti@home user == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
Op Tuesday 21 May 2002 05:04, schreef u: I had the same problem in 8.1 because i activated the full duplex mode in the Sound Server module , at the time it was the only way to get XMMS working for about 45 min. Now i updated to MDK 8.2 and sound is working perfect ( no full duplex setting) . I have a SB PCI 128 , it is also detected as ensoniq . > Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> System > notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it not only > doesn't play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE is restarted. Is > this a known bug or just something about my setup? Thanks! ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 12:29 am, s wrote: > Yeah, my system sounds stop periodically too requiring a kde3 > restart. Used to could restart arts from kcontrol, but mine don't > work anymore. A friend and myself were trying to figure out how to > restart arts by the commandlline without having to log out and > restart kde just last night for this reason. Anyone know? > > Using a SBL! 5.1. > -s H, I should be havin these problems, but don't ;p Onboard AC97, and it's a real hog... works good tho ;) have you tried 'service sound restart' as root? -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Tue, 21 May 2002 17:58, Damian G wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002 00:29:08 -0500 > > s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 20 May 2002 11:56 pm, Damian G wrote: > > > > Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not > > > > got a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... > > > > > > > > What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... > > > > > > Creative Labs SoundBlaster PCI 64. > > > Linux recognizes the chipset as Ensoniq ES1370 > > > > > > Damian > > > > Yeah, my system sounds stop periodically too requiring a kde3 restart. > > Used to could restart arts from kcontrol, but mine don't work anymore. A > > friend and myself were trying to figure out how to restart arts by the > > commandlline without having to log out and restart kde just last night > > for this reason. Anyone know? > > > > Using a SBL! 5.1. > > -s > > well, i'm pretty sure you already know about this, but i'll give it a > try... > > i think you can do a > > killall -9 artsd > > and then > > artsd & > > would that work? > > Damian I don't have artsd running. At least i don't think so (still getting my head around the various daemons). But you could try service -full-restart artsd It should force a full restart if "service" knows about it. Try "service -s" and see if it is in your list. Service is in /sbin by the way, so it is only in root's $PATH. Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Monday 20 May 2002 11:56 pm, Damian G wrote: > > Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not got > > a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... > > > > What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... > > Creative Labs SoundBlaster PCI 64. > Linux recognizes the chipset as Ensoniq ES1370 > > Damian Yeah, my system sounds stop periodically too requiring a kde3 restart. Used to could restart arts from kcontrol, but mine don't work anymore. A friend and myself were trying to figure out how to restart arts by the commandlline without having to log out and restart kde just last night for this reason. Anyone know? Using a SBL! 5.1. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
> Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not got > a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... > > What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... Creative Labs SoundBlaster PCI 64. Linux recognizes the chipset as Ensoniq ES1370 Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
&Sgr;&tgr;&igr;&sfgr; &Tgr;&rgr;&igr; 21 &Mgr;&agr;&igr; 2002 07:04, &ogr;/&eegr; Ronald J. Hall &eacgr;&ggr;&rgr;&agr;&psgr;&egr;: Hi folks, I'm sorry to burst in but I have no problems, thanks God so far, I have an FM801 soundcard (4 Euros it costed when I bought it late 1998),. Only thing sometimes, when I start KDE 3.0 I'm in now, there is no sound but that's because I need to go to Aumix and put the Volume up, and while I everytime I save the setting, everytime I restart KDE it goes to zero again and have to put it up again. Cheers Dimitris > Damian G wrote: > > > > >Oh, by the way, i've upgraded to a newer build now, but with the > >3.0.0.0.0-released-30-seconds-ago KDE sometimes the aRTs sound server > > started on it's own, unpredictably, leaving all my multimedia apps kinda > > confused... > > > >so, no. you are not alone. > > > >Damian > > Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not got > a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... > > What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... -- Registered Linux User 271321 This message was sent from a Microsoft_Free PC. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
Damian G wrote: > >Oh, by the way, i've upgraded to a newer build now, but with the >3.0.0.0.0-released-30-seconds-ago KDE sometimes the aRTs sound server started on >it's own, unpredictably, leaving all my multimedia apps kinda confused... > >so, no. you are not alone. > >Damian > Hi Damian. Well, I'm sorry you are having problems as well. I've not got a "soundcard busy"message, but its annoying none-the-less... What card are you using? I've got the SB Xgamer Live here... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE loses sound...
On Mon, 20 May 2002 23:04:16 -0400 darklord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> System > notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it not only doesn't > play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE is restarted. Is this a > known bug or just something about my setup? Thanks! ;-) > > -- > /\ >Dark> \/ only with the AU preview? hell, i'm still trying to figure out which app is killing my sound... after a rather intense KDE session with several apps open, a gnutella client ( LimeWire, boy that java stuff eats up my old PII 400 proc like a cookie ) Xmms, OpenOffice, a couple of Opera windows, a couple of Konqs, the mail client ( sylpheed ) and Gaim and Licq for my IM accounts.. and my sound gets killed for the rest of my uptime. i've gone as far as killing every process i started as a user, and switching to runlevel 1, ( and even killing a couple of processes in there ) restarting the 'sound' oss service.. and then run MPlayer with VESA video output and oss for audio, and still i get 'soundcard busy'. as for now, i went back to fluxbox. ( and gawd i was so used to see the memory gauge at about 95% in a KDE session... fluxbox is stunning in that aspect). my machine is not only faster, but more stable. Oh, by the way, i've upgraded to a newer build now, but with the 3.0.0.0.0-released-30-seconds-ago KDE sometimes the aRTs sound server started on it's own, unpredictably, leaving all my multimedia apps kinda confused... so, no. you are not alone. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE loses sound...
Anyone else notice that from the Control Center -> Look n Feel -> System notifications, that if you preview an AU sound file that it not only doesn't play, but you lose sound until the next time KDE is restarted. Is this a known bug or just something about my setup? Thanks! ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
