Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
I am interested in this Lindows.com idea (aka company). It may have the right mix of ideas to really go, however it is hard to say at this point because their strategy is a bit of an unknown. So I put this out there as a "hey, neat idea, do you think it can work" thought. Cheers, Rog - Original Message - From: "Rick [Kitty5]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware > > Did you not know that XP stands for eXpanding Problems? ;) > > Paul > > I thought it was eXtra Propriety ? > > Rick > > Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com > POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk > TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 > > PGP Public Key > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
> You have to separate Linux server and desktop usage. > > In terms of boxes on desks, Linux is a very little penguin. > > Massive server usage will never do anything in the quest for more hardware > support - servers don't need 3d cards etc etc etc > > Rick > > Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com > POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk > TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 > > PGP Public Key > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA Good point there is no question on the server side but again as I pointed out a more aggressive business posture go get'em attitude with any distro or all would boost Linux desktop support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
very true, i should have been more explanitory. but the fact that people are discussing things like, "will the agreement allow OEM's to install other systems" and sad tales like dr dos not to mention the fact the court has found them guilty multiple times kinda says abuse to me. :) On Friday 02 November 2001 09:45, you spoke unto me thusly: > There's nothing wrong in a monopoly if it has been legitimately won, and > provided that the monopoly doesn't abuse that power. -- when cryptogrophy is outlawed, only outlaws will °B*http://counter.li.org/ http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
rock solid? the same as 2000 by the reports i have heard, and i crash 2000 15-20 times for every crash i have had on mandrake (one) and i have had mandrake far longer and the crash was my own fault! besides, it is the ms license that will kill them off, and that isn't good. in a fair and equal world ms might still draw some 35-45% of the market based on it "dumb it down" approach. competition is good, ms needs to exist as much as linux does. it is the monopoly that is wrong. On Thursday 01 November 2001 17:00, you spoke unto me thusly: > Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid stability -- We are Linux. Resistance is measured in Ohms. shane registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
> Linux versus WindowsXP HaredwareUntil hardware manufacturers start including > Linux drivers with their products (at the very least even a biniary module), Some hardware vendors do, obviously not enough. Many manufacturers are afraid to release their drivers into an open-source environment, thinking that doing so will aid the competition. Many people aren't knowledgeable enough to tweak the driver code, but they can at least run the compiler, and that's important too :). > Most consumers like to be able to buy 'hardware item X' off the shelf at the > local shop and then expect it to work when they get home Surprisingly, a lot of 'hardware item X' works when you get home, although you might have to recompile your kernel and/or do some configurations. Some 'hardware item X' isn't going to work, naturally, like certain Winmodems etc. > prime example being win modems, simply telling people to buy a real modem is > not the answer - your not the one who is out of pocket) Telling them after the fact isn't going to help, obviously. But the end user needs to be educated. Winmodems aren't the solution, even on Windows. > I have a fair sized collection of items here that i cannot use with Linux as > there is either no supoport, or the howto explaining how to get it working I've had older legacy stuff (certain tape drives etc) that wouldn't work with linux too. Eventually (as budget allowed) I gravitated towards hardware that works, and works well with Linux (case in point - an HP scsi DAT drive vs a Mountain filesafe QIC drive that only had some 80 megs capacity, where tapes were more expensive). When it comes to hardware, there are way too many choices - but it is possible to go into a store with a shopping list of components and come out with a system that runs with Linux well. > Rick David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
In reply to Mark D'voo's words, written Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:23:52 -0600 Did you not know that XP stands for eXpanding Problems? ;) Paul >my girlfriends dad can't get anything usb to work. His HP printer nor his >sony camera work with usb, but the printer worked find using the parallel >port. Unfortunately his digital camera is only usb so a $500 camera is >sitting useless on lhis desk. Both this worked fine on ME. I would have >thought they would have worked more bugs out by now, oh wait it's microsoft, >the more bugs the better -- It is better to have loved and lost, then never to have loved at all -Lord Alfred Tennyson http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
my girlfriends dad can't get anything usb to work. His HP printer nor his sony camera work with usb, but the printer worked find using the parallel port. Unfortunately his digital camera is only usb so a $500 camera is sitting useless on lhis desk. Both this worked fine on ME. I would have thought they would have worked more bugs out by now, oh wait it's microsoft, the more bugs the better mark On Friday 02 November 2001 05:13 am, you wrote: > Linux versus WindowsXP HaredwareUntil hardware manufacturers start > including Linux drivers with their products (at the very least even a > biniary module), Linux hardware support is not going to happen. > > Most consumers like to be able to buy 'hardware item X' off the shelf at > the local shop and then expect it to work when they get home > > this is not an issue that can be solved by trying to get consumers to only > buy Linux capable hardware, as this will only add to the confusion > surrounding Linux, this must be addressed at the point of manufacture. A > prime example being win modems, simply telling people to buy a real modem > is not the answer - your not the one who is out of pocket) > > Linux hardware installation needs to be made as simple as windows, plug > item it, install drivers from CD (reboot - who cares) and it works end of > story > > I have a fair sized collection of items here that i cannot use with Linux > as there is either no supoport, or the howto explaining how to get it > working will most likely take a day out of my life, and have the > possability that i will knacker something else in the process. > > Rick > > Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com > POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk > TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 > > PGP Public Key > http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA > - Original Message ----- > From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:00 AM > Subject: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware > > > Hi All, > I'm writing this because I'm curious. With all the trouble with > WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our > thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in > time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities. One > guy saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux > could is a prime example. Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid > stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!. > We need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together. > What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this > mailing list to push this further. This may be the invunerability that > could drag Microsoft to its knees. > > > Craig Williamson -- 7:22am up 13:27, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.23, 0.09 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
> Honestly I dont understand, why all those hardware companies > (conextant at the top of my list) do ignore the giant penguin, while > the strongest/biggest companies on world ( IBM at the top of the > list) support this giant ? You have to separate Linux server and desktop usage. In terms of boxes on desks, Linux is a very little penguin. Massive server usage will never do anything in the quest for more hardware support - servers don't need 3d cards etc etc etc Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
> It is still possible for Linux to get a foot in the door. It takes an > aggressive "suit" to take advantage of this situation. Whether some of you > like it or not a "Ballmer" or similiar could get a rally going and maybe > double or triple the support Linux has with the hardware vendors. I don't see > this as a quick way to bring MS down with one swoop but everything has a > beginning and this could be it. Linux, despite being close, is not a windows desktop beater, it requires far to much 'twiddling' to get it all working correctly and a much higher level of knowledge to maintain and use it - some suit can push it all they like, but if its not at least as user friendly as windows, its not going to catch on with the general public. box makers have tried Linux on machines, and it has flopped, simply due to lack of public interest. The fact that their is a wide spread (ok geek community ) alternative that is constantly improving and gaining ground will be enough to make MS feel a little less secure Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
Linux versus WindowsXP HaredwareUntil hardware manufacturers start including Linux drivers with their products (at the very least even a biniary module), Linux hardware support is not going to happen. Most consumers like to be able to buy 'hardware item X' off the shelf at the local shop and then expect it to work when they get home this is not an issue that can be solved by trying to get consumers to only buy Linux capable hardware, as this will only add to the confusion surrounding Linux, this must be addressed at the point of manufacture. A prime example being win modems, simply telling people to buy a real modem is not the answer - your not the one who is out of pocket) Linux hardware installation needs to be made as simple as windows, plug item it, install drivers from CD (reboot - who cares) and it works end of story I have a fair sized collection of items here that i cannot use with Linux as there is either no supoport, or the howto explaining how to get it working will most likely take a day out of my life, and have the possability that i will knacker something else in the process. Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA - Original Message - From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware Hi All, I'm writing this because I'm curious. With all the trouble with WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities. One guy saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux could is a prime example. Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!. We need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together. What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this mailing list to push this further. This may be the invunerability that could drag Microsoft to its knees. Craig Williamson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
SD> As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it'll work. Hardware SD> manufacturers will scramble to get XP support, and our lead will quickly SD> disappear. If only they scrambled to get GNU/Linux support... And if only heaven was on earth :) Honestly I dont understand, why all those hardware companies (conextant at the top of my list) do ignore the giant penguin, while the strongest/biggest companies on world ( IBM at the top of the list) support this giant ? IBM is a very important example, because IBM supports linux, even though they have their own UNIX (AIX) for long, and they spend billions of $ for the penguin. It is wise to see the future, and it is even wiser to catch the technology. Those companies who ignore linux will regret it one day, in a very bad day. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
It is still possible for Linux to get a foot in the door. It takes an aggressive "suit" to take advantage of this situation. Whether some of you like it or not a "Ballmer" or similiar could get a rally going and maybe double or triple the support Linux has with the hardware vendors. I don't see this as a quick way to bring MS down with one swoop but everything has a beginning and this could be it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:00:11 +1100 , "Craig Williamson (ENZ)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm writing this because I'm curious. With all the trouble with > WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our > thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in > time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities. One guy > saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux > could is a prime example. Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid > stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!. We > need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together. > What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this > mailing list to push this further. This may be the invunerability that > could drag Microsoft to its knees. > > > Craig Williamson As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it'll work. Hardware manufacturers will scramble to get XP support, and our lead will quickly disappear. If only they scrambled to get GNU/Linux support... -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "So, if anybody wants to have hardware sent to them - don't call me, but instead write your own operating system. It has worked every time for me." -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware
Title: Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware Hi All, I'm writing this because I'm curious. With all the trouble with WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities. One guy saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux could is a prime example. Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!. We need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together. What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this mailing list to push this further. This may be the invunerability that could drag Microsoft to its knees. Craig Williamson
