Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 21:50, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: > Remind me again...why do people use this crud? Because they don't know any better. Because they don't read the EULA. Because they've been hypnotised by mass marketing. Because they don't care and don't want to be held accountable - they just want to play with or use what they're given and then in the end when they've been fsck'ed over it, then they play blame game. People, in general, are stupid. This is how Microsoft, and even before them, IBM got to be where they are now. Microsoft really don't give a rat's ass if something works, they only care that they're marketing it the right way and forcing the IT world to change. Causing the IT world into a constant upgrade cycle causes the public to forget some of the basic issues that plague the software in the first place. if rant done && end rant fi stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - There's nothing like good food, good wine, and a bad girl. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 12:20 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? 99% of teenagers - oh - wait a mo - you said 'in their right minds' Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in regard to your .net passport. I wonder how the kopete crew intend to get round that? Anne It's funny. In the Tampa, Florida area you cannot connect to any Microsoft run web sites or services right now. I haven't been able to use the MSN Messenger service for an entire day. Bright House Networks doesn't have them in their DNS at all. It's as if they just disappeared from the Internet. They're working to restore [dis]-service to the area. I had wondered if MS was sufferring a DOS attacks or something, but having seen no news about it I wondered what was going on. I was sad when I was able to connect to them via a co-located server I have access to, but right now it's an MS free Internet here in Tampa. :-) It would be great if I didn't have clients on MSN Messenger. :-( Oh well... -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 10:15:00 up 9:09, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.08 ___ "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> Translation: > > MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT > THE > > SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE > > INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED > > ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. > > We don't claim it's good for anything. [] > > You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its > > parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from > > any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, > > asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or > conduct > > on the .NET Passport Services. > > Again, we remind you that we are accountable for nothing. > > (But don't forget, folks, they want to _earn_ your trust!) *smile* very nice translation. why doesnt MS write their terms with these words? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:50:08 +0100, Inhabitant of Zion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Translation: > MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE > SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE > INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED > ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. We don't claim it's good for anything. > ALL SUCH > INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE > PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. Our software is what it is. Take it or leave it. > MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS > RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH > REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED > GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF > MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE, AND > NON-INFRINGEMENT. We promise nothing. > IN NO EVENT SHALL MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, OR ANY > DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, > DATA, OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR > PERFORMANCE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO > USE THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE > SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, OR SERVICES OBTAINED > THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF > THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, > STRICT LIABILITY, OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS > HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. If something does happens, we are not accountable. > IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR > WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO > DISCONTINUE USING THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES. You don't like it, don't use it. > Microsoft reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your > access to the .NET Passport Services or any portion thereof at any time, > without notice. If we don't like you, we won't use you. > Microsoft may also terminate or suspend your access to the .NET Passport > Services for inactivity, which is defined as failing to sign in to the > Services for an extended period of time, as determined by Microsoft. Upon > termination of your .NET Passport account, your right to use the .NET > Passport Services immediately ceases. If you don't use it, you lose it. Just because. > Microsoft may assign these Terms of Use, in whole or in part, at any time. We've warned you ahead of time that we're bastards. Don't be surprised when we smite you. > Microsoft's performance of this agreement is subject to existing laws and > legal process, We're as slimy as we're legally allowed to be. > and nothing contained in these Terms of Use is in derogation > of Microsoft's right to comply with governmental, court, and law > enforcement requests or requirements relating to your use of the .NET > Passport Services or information provided to or gathered by Microsoft with > respect to such use. Of course, we're subject to subpoenas. > You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its > parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from > any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, > asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct > on the .NET Passport Services. Again, we remind you that we are accountable for nothing. (But don't forget, folks, they want to _earn_ your trust!) Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> Microsoft may wish to update or change the terms, conditions, and notices > for the .NET Passport Services from time to time to reflect changes in the > Services, changes in the laws affecting the Services, or for other good > reasons. [...] > You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its > parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from > any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, > asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct > on the .NET Passport Services. > > Remind me again...why do people use this crud? same thing i asked me after i read this... msn is very exiting. icq has much more features, but i dont need them. msn is easier to use and it has a nice looking. but if this terms will be released, i release my ass back to icq :) i'll forward your message to my friends, so they can read bout it... thank you! r. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> i didnt found some detailed information bout the eula. in google i only > get some trash... what is eula for? wich targets? why? > Microsoft may wish to update or change the terms, conditions, and notices for the .NET Passport Services from time to time to reflect changes in the Services, changes in the laws affecting the Services, or for other good reasons. Continued access to or use of the .NET Passport Services after any such change shall constitute your consent to such change. You must enter into a different legal agreement with Microsoft if you wish to offer the .NET Passport Services to users of your own application, Web site, or Web service. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON OR OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO USE THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, OR SERVICES OBTAINED THROUGH THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY, OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE .NET PASSPORT SERVICES. Microsoft reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your access to the .NET Passport Services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice. Microsoft may also terminate or suspend your access to the .NET Passport Services for inactivity, which is defined as failing to sign in to the Services for an extended period of time, as determined by Microsoft. Upon termination of your .NET Passport account, your right to use the .NET Passport Services immediately ceases. Microsoft may assign these Terms of Use, in whole or in part, at any time. Microsoft's performance of this agreement is subject to existing laws and legal process, and nothing contained in these Terms of Use is in derogation of Microsoft's right to comply with governmental, court, and law enforcement requests or requirements relating to your use of the .NET Passport Services or information provided to or gathered by Microsoft with respect to such use. You agree to indemnify and hold Microsoft, its parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and employees, harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys' fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct on the .NET Passport Services. Remind me again...why do people use this crud? -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 12:49:44 up 1 day, 2:25, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 12:20 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: > > BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can > > sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. > > he read this on www.kde. > > org/kopete > > he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found > > something, i've to trust him ;) > > Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? > 99% of teenagers - oh - wait a mo - you said 'in their right minds' > Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. > > Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as > nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. > > BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in > regard to your .net passport. I wonder how the kopete crew intend to get round that? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? i didnt found some detailed information bout the eula. in google i only get some trash... what is eula for? wich targets? why? r. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> > BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the > eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on > www.kde. > org/kopete > he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've > to trust him ;) > Yes but who in their right mind would sign that EULA? Yes a number of my friends have already decided to go over to ICQ. Unfortunately the Jabber GUI for Windows users is not nearly as nice as ICQ under Trillian or I'd get them to use that instead. BTW Anne yes this is for hotmail users as well as the EULA is in regard to your .net passport. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 11:49:09 up 1 day, 1:24, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new Kopete, up > until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the Microsoft > License (EULA) or your account will be closed. more information bout eula: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5066412.html BUT: kopete will be able to run AFTER 15th of Oct, cause you can sign the eula in kopete.(information from a worker in my company. he read this on www.kde. org/kopete he said it will be version 0.8 of kopete. i didnt found something, i've to trust him ;) > I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are people who > are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). doesnt matter :) nothing can be totaly sure of hacking. the hack only takes more time ;) and if msn wont work anymore, most of the people will use another instant messenger. like icq. remo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 8:09 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: > Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new > Kopete, up until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the > Microsoft License (EULA) or your account will be closed. > You mean that the eula has to be signed to keep the hotmail account that fuels msn? There's no point in the new kopete if it can't connect, is there? > I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are > people who are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
> or simpley use the new kopete(still under construction, but will be > released soon) wich supports the msn protocol: > http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/index.php > > what's the news EULA? > > r. > You obviously have not been following this thread. Basically the new protocol will only work, even with the new Kopete, up until the 15th Oct, then you have to agree to the Microsoft License (EULA) or your account will be closed. I think its going to spell trouble for them as I know there are people who are consulting laywers over this (seriously!). -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 08:03:02 up 21:38, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
or simpley use the new kopete(still under construction, but will be released soon) wich supports the msn protocol: http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/index.php what's the news EULA? r. Zitat von Inhabitant of Zion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > After that you have to sign the new EULA or have your access barred > apparently. > > Which is nice. > > -- > John Willby > Registered Linux user number 321644 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 92791912 > YIM: vicarofwibley > Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. > 07:26:31 up 21:01, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] MSN old protocol with stop on Oct 15th
After that you have to sign the new EULA or have your access barred apparently. Which is nice. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 07:26:31 up 21:01, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
