Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Friday 26 March 2004 23:07, Chuck Mattsen wrote: > I'd also recommend -- being somewhat of a miser myself, and on a very > limited income at the moment -- checking out the used book sources (such > as Amazon, or perhaps http://www.bookfinder.com). Don't overlook public libraries. I live in a small town in a mostly agricultural county and our county library system has all of the books mentioned and then some. Titles I can't get through the county system, the librarians will order through inter-library-loan for me. Being able to read or leaf through a book before purchasing can save many dollars. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op zaterdag 27 maart 2004 11:50, schreef Margot: > >>Can someone recommend a good book on Mandrake? This stuff is confusing to > >>me but I really like the software. and dont forget to start your own "book" :-) write some "weird" commands in a textfile, makes them easy to find if you need them again after some time.. regards ronald - -- Registered Linux User 163597 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZXdLoPgG5kUDwJIRAhDlAKCo6TORc064cvLYGXi/Abu4fPCXeQCfYYhK xdeok+j2Y1d94gFhcNjbb4E= =FqGM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Saturday 27 March 2004 02:19, anton wrote: > Chuck Mattsen wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 00:52, Rob Blomquist wrote: > >>On Friday 26 March 2004 8:08 pm, William Hatfield pondered and > >> enlightened us > >> > >>with: > >>>I haven't quite got the hang of how to install things on Mandrake. > >>> I downloaded the Starter Guide, but it is still like greek to me. > > > > Be patient. With time, and with some effort, it will quickly begin > > to resemble not Greek, but Esperanto. :*) > > > >>Several books that I have used include: > >>LINUX: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE, 5/E > >>THE LINUX COOKBOOK > >>LINUX ETUDES > >>RUNNING LINUX > > > > I'll second the recommendation for "Running Linux," which I'm > > currently working my way through. At times it gets a little heavy > > or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does a pretty > > good job of explaining basic concepts in an understandable manner. > > > > RUTE is also good. > > What is wrong here people? Oh, that's right. WTF is rute says the > complete newbie!?! The Rute users guide is a project/book aiming at a > fairly good intro to whizz of Linux: > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html > its "free" but you can also buy a hard copy. It's definitely worth a > look. I had a look at Sams RedHat 9 book and found that there was > reasonably little that was different to Mandrake. Except Redhat is > for goons...:-) Also worth a look if you want a massive manual to > make you feel a little more secure. > > > That said, I still know /so/ little ... yet, it's volumes more than > > I knew 5-6 weeks ago. Some problems I've been able to figure out > > on my own, others with the patient help of those here in this > > group, and others I still don't understand well enough to tackle > > ... those I've put aside for a later time when, hopefully, things > > will have "fallen into place" for me and they'll be a piece of > > cake. :-) > > > >>One of the problems with Linux books is there current-ness. Many > >> books offered are way out of date. Mandrake is very similar to Red > >> Hat, so a current Red Hat book could be a good buy. But don't > >> leave us, as there is alot of useful stuff that is not documented > >> in books, that only we Mandrake folks know about. > > > > I'd also recommend -- being somewhat of a miser myself, and on a > > very limited income at the moment -- checking out the used book > > sources (such as Amazon, or perhaps http://www.bookfinder.com). > > That's what I did a few weeks back when I was first getting my > > Linux feet wet, and managed to pick up like-new, current editions > > of "Running Linux," "Linux Desk Reference," and "Linux in a > > Nutshell" for around $50 total, S&H included. > > > >>And the pundits that talk about how linux is not ready for the > >> desktop have no idea what they are talking about. Linux has been > >> ready for this desktop for the last 4 years. I run a 100% MS free > >> PC. My processor has never seen MS code. > > > > Linux is certainly ready for the desktop ... I would, however, say > > that most (more casual) users are not ready for Linux. :-) > > > > > > --- > >- > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > > > > -=-=- > ... For thee the wonder-working earth puts forth sweet flowers. > -- Titus Lucretius Carus Mandrake is an offshoot of RH therefore you might like 'Red Hat Linux 7.2 Bible' a 1040 page book that covers linux pretty well. -- Regards; Hoyt Ignore the past and you will fail! Ignore the future and you have already failed! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
Glenn wrote: On Friday 26 March 2004 20:47, William Hatfield wrote: Can someone recommend a good book on Mandrake? This stuff is confusing to me but I really like the software. Bill Hatfield www.badhatproductions.com O'Reilly's "Running Linux" helped me, and still remains a good reference. ...but is a bit hard to follow for a newbie! If you are looking for something at "Dummies" level, but not quite so patronising, I'd recommend Marcel Gagne's "Moving to Linux - Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" ISBN 0-321-15998-5 available from Amazon. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Friday 26 March 2004 08:46 pm, Glenn wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2004 20:47, William Hatfield wrote: > > Can someone recommend a good book on Mandrake? This stuff is confusing to > > me but I really like the software. > > > > > > > > Bill Hatfield > > www.badhatproductions.com > > O'Reilly's "Running Linux" helped me, and still remains a good reference. Also "The Rute Tutorial" ps download it from : http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2 you can also buy a hard copy from Amazon.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:34:54 + Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 27 March 2004 08:19, anton wrote: > > > > > > I'll second the recommendation for "Running Linux," which I'm > > > currently working my way through. At times it gets a little > > > heavy or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does > > > a pretty good job of explaining basic concepts in an > > > understandable manner. > > > > For quality of content you can't beat O'Reilly books. > I used (and still use) Using Linux - Que books. Mine's an old > edition, but there is a more up to date one. Despite its age, it > has served me well. > > One I regret spending money on is The Complete Reference - Linux > from McGraw Hill. Every time I have tried to use it I have found > myself going back to the Que book. The only time I followed it > word for word I had to come back to the list, only to be told that > it was wrong! And I had paid £30 for the privilege! > > Anne > - -- > Registered Linux User No.293302 > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAZTyukFAvMr/nNX8RAgbVAJ4wfBI0QoWp1l1zfUKqgYWcWn7lowCbBR2D > vm0NRYXTVFTgE5ZvHm2Nmpk= > =h5AJ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > "Linux Desk Reference" is at my side but the Newbie list is more fun. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On 03/27/2004 09:45 AM, Chuck Mattsen wrote: For that matter, wtf is "wtf" (I know, but as long as we're being argumentative ... :-) Can't be a standard command: [EMAIL PROTECTED] paul]$ man wtf No manual entry for wtf [EMAIL PROTECTED] paul]$ wtf --help bash: wtf: command not found ;-) Paul -- There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. - Marcus Tullius Cicero http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 02:37, anton wrote: > Again, wtf is urpmi, and isn't it for installing apps? What do you mean > you install documentation? Why do you need to install documentation? For that matter, wtf is "wtf" (I know, but as long as we're being argumentative ... :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 02:44:34 up 2:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 NEVER swerve to hit a lawyer riding a bicycle -- it might be your bicycle. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 March 2004 08:37, anton wrote: > Again, wtf is urpmi, See http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi > and isn't it for installing apps? It's for installing packages - and documentation comes in packages. > What do you > mean you install documentation? Why do you need to install > documentation? Cheers To read? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZT6hkFAvMr/nNX8RAupIAJ9L8u/TbWT6QA8LpbcgJ5WXDbOS8ACfZyey InhtVa5Z5mKoKEGY4QmVL5M= =qOx7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 02:19, anton wrote: What is wrong here people? Oh, that's right. WTF is rute says the complete newbie!?! The Rute users guide is a project/book aiming at a fairly good intro to whizz of Linux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html its "free" but you can also buy a hard copy. It's definitely worth a look. Doesn't "urpmi rute" work, as well? Again, wtf is urpmi, and isn't it for installing apps? What do you mean you install documentation? Why do you need to install documentation? Cheers Anton -=-=- ... You have the power to influence all with whom you come in contact. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 March 2004 08:19, anton wrote: > > > > I'll second the recommendation for "Running Linux," which I'm > > currently working my way through. At times it gets a little > > heavy or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does a > > pretty good job of explaining basic concepts in an understandable > > manner. > > For quality of content you can't beat O'Reilly books. I used (and still use) Using Linux - Que books. Mine's an old edition, but there is a more up to date one. Despite its age, it has served me well. One I regret spending money on is The Complete Reference - Linux from McGraw Hill. Every time I have tried to use it I have found myself going back to the Que book. The only time I followed it word for word I had to come back to the list, only to be told that it was wrong! And I had paid £30 for the privilege! Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZTyukFAvMr/nNX8RAgbVAJ4wfBI0QoWp1l1zfUKqgYWcWn7lowCbBR2D vm0NRYXTVFTgE5ZvHm2Nmpk= =h5AJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 02:19, anton wrote: > What is wrong here people? Oh, that's right. WTF is rute says the > complete newbie!?! The Rute users guide is a project/book aiming at a > fairly good intro to whizz of Linux: > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html > its "free" but you can also buy a hard copy. It's definitely worth a look. Doesn't "urpmi rute" work, as well? -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 02:25:53 up 1:45, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08 "Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to conquer the world." -- Tadahiro Sekimoto, president, NEC Corp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 00:52, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Friday 26 March 2004 8:08 pm, William Hatfield pondered and enlightened us with: I haven't quite got the hang of how to install things on Mandrake. I downloaded the Starter Guide, but it is still like greek to me. Be patient. With time, and with some effort, it will quickly begin to resemble not Greek, but Esperanto. :*) Several books that I have used include: LINUX: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE, 5/E THE LINUX COOKBOOK LINUX ETUDES RUNNING LINUX I'll second the recommendation for "Running Linux," which I'm currently working my way through. At times it gets a little heavy or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does a pretty good job of explaining basic concepts in an understandable manner. RUTE is also good. What is wrong here people? Oh, that's right. WTF is rute says the complete newbie!?! The Rute users guide is a project/book aiming at a fairly good intro to whizz of Linux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html its "free" but you can also buy a hard copy. It's definitely worth a look. I had a look at Sams RedHat 9 book and found that there was reasonably little that was different to Mandrake. Except Redhat is for goons...:-) Also worth a look if you want a massive manual to make you feel a little more secure. That said, I still know /so/ little ... yet, it's volumes more than I knew 5-6 weeks ago. Some problems I've been able to figure out on my own, others with the patient help of those here in this group, and others I still don't understand well enough to tackle ... those I've put aside for a later time when, hopefully, things will have "fallen into place" for me and they'll be a piece of cake. :-) One of the problems with Linux books is there current-ness. Many books offered are way out of date. Mandrake is very similar to Red Hat, so a current Red Hat book could be a good buy. But don't leave us, as there is alot of useful stuff that is not documented in books, that only we Mandrake folks know about. I'd also recommend -- being somewhat of a miser myself, and on a very limited income at the moment -- checking out the used book sources (such as Amazon, or perhaps http://www.bookfinder.com). That's what I did a few weeks back when I was first getting my Linux feet wet, and managed to pick up like-new, current editions of "Running Linux," "Linux Desk Reference," and "Linux in a Nutshell" for around $50 total, S&H included. And the pundits that talk about how linux is not ready for the desktop have no idea what they are talking about. Linux has been ready for this desktop for the last 4 years. I run a 100% MS free PC. My processor has never seen MS code. Linux is certainly ready for the desktop ... I would, however, say that most (more casual) users are not ready for Linux. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -=-=- ... For thee the wonder-working earth puts forth sweet flowers. -- Titus Lucretius Carus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 00:52, Rob Blomquist wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2004 8:08 pm, William Hatfield pondered and enlightened us > with: > > I haven't quite got the hang of how to install things on Mandrake. I > > downloaded the Starter Guide, but it is still like greek to me. Be patient. With time, and with some effort, it will quickly begin to resemble not Greek, but Esperanto. :*) > Several books that I have used include: > LINUX: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE, 5/E > THE LINUX COOKBOOK > LINUX ETUDES > RUNNING LINUX I'll second the recommendation for "Running Linux," which I'm currently working my way through. At times it gets a little heavy or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does a pretty good job of explaining basic concepts in an understandable manner. RUTE is also good. That said, I still know /so/ little ... yet, it's volumes more than I knew 5-6 weeks ago. Some problems I've been able to figure out on my own, others with the patient help of those here in this group, and others I still don't understand well enough to tackle ... those I've put aside for a later time when, hopefully, things will have "fallen into place" for me and they'll be a piece of cake. :-) > One of the problems with Linux books is there current-ness. Many books offered > are way out of date. Mandrake is very similar to Red Hat, so a current Red > Hat book could be a good buy. But don't leave us, as there is alot of useful > stuff that is not documented in books, that only we Mandrake folks know > about. I'd also recommend -- being somewhat of a miser myself, and on a very limited income at the moment -- checking out the used book sources (such as Amazon, or perhaps http://www.bookfinder.com). That's what I did a few weeks back when I was first getting my Linux feet wet, and managed to pick up like-new, current editions of "Running Linux," "Linux Desk Reference," and "Linux in a Nutshell" for around $50 total, S&H included. > And the pundits that talk about how linux is not ready for the desktop have no > idea what they are talking about. Linux has been ready for this desktop for > the last 4 years. I run a 100% MS free PC. My processor has never seen MS > code. Linux is certainly ready for the desktop ... I would, however, say that most (more casual) users are not ready for Linux. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 00:57:12 up 17 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.19, 0.17 Given sufficient time, what you put off doing today will get done by itself. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Friday 26 March 2004 8:08 pm, William Hatfield pondered and enlightened us with: > Cool, thanks Mark. > > I have downloaded this software, the one for Linux with Java. > > http://www.childhooddiseases.org/dOL/download_instructions.html > > I try to install it and I get a Java error. I am running 9.2 on a dual boot > system. What's the error? Are you installing the bin from a root console or a user console? > I haven't quite got the hang of how to install things on Mandrake. I > downloaded the Starter Guide, but it is still like greek to me. There is not one way to install things on Linux, there are about 42 or so. :-) Several books that I have used include: LINUX: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE, 5/E THE LINUX COOKBOOK LINUX ETUDES RUNNING LINUX One of the problems with Linux books is there current-ness. Many books offered are way out of date. Mandrake is very similar to Red Hat, so a current Red Hat book could be a good buy. But don't leave us, as there is alot of useful stuff that is not documented in books, that only we Mandrake folks know about. I have been running Linux for about 4 years, and finally basic running is pretty easy for me. confusion is normal in the beginning, And I am not an IT professional, even normal folks can run linux, you just have to stick with it. And the pundits that talk about how linux is not ready for the desktop have no idea what they are talking about. Linux has been ready for this desktop for the last 4 years. I run a 100% MS free PC. My processor has never seen MS code. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Linux Counter #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Friday 26 March 2004 20:47, William Hatfield wrote: > Can someone recommend a good book on Mandrake? This stuff is confusing to > me but I really like the software. > > > > Bill Hatfield > www.badhatproductions.com O'Reilly's "Running Linux" helped me, and still remains a good reference. -- 21:45:43 up 6 days, 11:23, running Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586, kernel 2.6.3-4mdk Registered Linux user #324360 The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -- Churchill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
