Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Lee Wiggers]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:01:24 +0300
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Also, what do you guys use to view/create/modify the pdf files on
> linux? What is the software for that you would recommend?


xpdf for viewing.  The only .pdf creation I do is letter attachments
to those less fortunate (non-linux).  OpenOffice has a automagic
.pdf button now.  Be sure to proof the output, though.

Lee


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RE: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[NabilM]

Ok, thanks a lot to your guys. Its worked very well. But no one told me
the reason why doesn't the MandrakeUpdate calls this program
automatically? Also, is this program a part of gnome package or
mandrake? Some details would help me learn more. 

Also, what do you guys use to view/create/modify the pdf files on linux?
What is the software for that you would recommend?

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Subject: Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating
X packages..

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 05:13:17 -0400
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 07 August 2004 11:35 am, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> 
> > It's no fun when everyone has the answer.
> >
> > Lee
> 
> Nothing wrong with a group consensus (just try to get that on the
> Mandrake Offtopic list!!!) :-)
> 
> PS If it makes you feel any better, I didn't mention running it as
> root, then user. :-)
> 
> -- 
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Lee Wiggers]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 05:13:17 -0400
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 07 August 2004 11:35 am, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> 
> > It's no fun when everyone has the answer.
> >
> > Lee
> 
> Nothing wrong with a group consensus (just try to get that on the
> Mandrake Offtopic list!!!) :-)
> 
> PS If it makes you feel any better, I didn't mention running it as
> root, then user. :-)
> 
> -- 
> 

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 07 August 2004 11:35 am, Lee Wiggers wrote:

> It's no fun when everyone has the answer.
>
> Lee

Nothing wrong with a group consensus (just try to get that on the Mandrake 
Offtopic list!!!) :-)

PS If it makes you feel any better, I didn't mention running it as root, then 
user. :-)

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 07 August 2004 17:35, Lee Wiggers wrote:

> It's no fun when everyone has the answer.
>
> Lee

But you won with a few seconds. Don't you like racing ?

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Lee Wiggers]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 02:50:49 -0400
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 07 August 2004 02:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I installed Mandrakelinux 9.2 and ran MandrakeUpdate. Found lots
> > of updates. But I selected the XFree ones. After it installed, I
> > realized that most of the icons in my Main Menu button in the
> > panel were gone. Like all the configuration icons for Drak. Any
> > one know why and how can I bring them back?
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > -nabil
> 
> Hi Nabil. Don't know if this will help your particular situation
> or not but have you tried (as root):
> 
> update-menus -v
> 
> See if it works.
> 
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 07 August 2004 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I installed Mandrakelinux 9.2 and ran MandrakeUpdate. Found lots
> of updates. But I selected the XFree ones. After it installed, I
> realized that most of the icons in my Main Menu button in the
> panel were gone. Like all the configuration icons for Drak. Any
> one know why and how can I bring them back?

In a terminal, as root : update-menus -v -n

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Lee Wiggers]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:34:47 +0300
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I installed Mandrakelinux 9.2 and ran MandrakeUpdate. Found lots
> of updates. But I selected the XFree ones. After it installed, I
> realized that most of the icons in my Main Menu button in the
> panel were gone. Like all the configuration icons for Drak. Any
> one know why and how can I bring them back?

 
Try this: 
 
su to root and enter 
update-menus -v 
then do the same in your user account.

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 07 August 2004 02:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I installed Mandrakelinux 9.2 and ran MandrakeUpdate. Found lots of
> updates. But I selected the XFree ones. After it installed, I realized
> that most of the icons in my Main Menu button in the panel were gone.
> Like all the configuration icons for Drak. Any one know why and how can
> I bring them back?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -nabil

Hi Nabil. Don't know if this will help your particular situation or not but 
have you tried (as root):

update-menus -v

See if it works.

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate! lost all the icons after updating X packages..

[NabilM]

I installed Mandrakelinux 9.2 and ran MandrakeUpdate. Found
lots of updates. But I selected the XFree ones. After it installed, I realized that
most of the icons in my Main Menu button in the panel were gone. Like all
the configuration icons for Drak. Any one know why and how can I bring them
back?

 

Regards,

 

-nabil

 



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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

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On Friday 23 January 2004 03:19 pm, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been trying to update the Kernel package suggested by
> MandrakeUpdate. The installation failed a few times, even using
> different sources, stating that the sig file is 0 (zero) size.
>
> I used a regular FTP client to d/l the pakage and used rpm -ivU to
> install it as an Update.
>
> So far all well. The new Kernel version is installed and running.
>
> Here's the question: Why does the package appear in the Updates ?
>
> How do I re-build MandrakeUpdate's DB?
>
> Thanks,
>
> .::.
>
> Amichai Rotman
>
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I did not see a reply to you, so here is what I do. In a console type su and 
then give the root password. then type in 
rpm --rebuilddb && updatedb && update-menus -v
the last is only if the update would have added or changed a menu item. HTH

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Amichai Rotman]

Hi,

I have been trying to update the Kernel package suggested by 
MandrakeUpdate. The installation failed a few times, even using 
different sources, stating that the sig file is 0 (zero) size.

I used a regular FTP client to d/l the pakage and used rpm -ivU to 
install it as an Update.

So far all well. The new Kernel version is installed and running. 

Here's the question: Why does the package appear in the Updates ?

How do I re-build MandrakeUpdate's DB?

Thanks,  

.::.

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate question.

[Derek Jennings]

On Saturday 05 Oct 2002 10:52 pm, Dimitry wrote:
> I am running Mandrake 9.0 in KDE. In Mandrake Control Center-->Software
> Management-->Software Sources Manager, there are 4 sources: CD1, CD2, CD3
> (of the distro) and "update_source". I wanted to remove "update_source" so
> I can change the FTP mirror, but I accidentally removed all sources. How do
> I get them back now: CD1, CD2, and CD3 sources? Will it matter for
> upgrading the packages now that the sources (3CDs) aren't listed? Please
> help.


Put CD1 in your drive and in a root terminal window type

 urpmi.addmedia --distrib cdrom removable:///mnt/cdrom 


It will put all the CDs in at once



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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate question.

[Dimitry]

I am running Mandrake 9.0 in KDE. In Mandrake 
Control Center-->Software Management-->Software Sources Manager, there are 
4 sources: CD1, CD2, CD3 (of the distro) and "update_source". I wanted to remove 
"update_source" so I can change the FTP mirror, but I accidentally removed all 
sources. How do I get them back now: CD1, CD2, and CD3 sources?
    Will it matter for upgrading the 
packages now that the sources (3CDs) aren't listed? Please 
help.

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate failed to connect

[frame]

Is this just another buggy tool for messing up my config
or does it work in some way? Can it connect via proxy?
I have Mandrake 9 beta2. I always configure my network
by hand.  Here is what ifconifg gave me when I started
MandrakeUpdate:
before: RX bytes:21796890 (20.7 Mb)  TX bytes:2315216 (2.2 Mb)
after: RX bytes:21796890 (20.7 Mb)  TX bytes:2315216 (2.2 Mb).
Shouldn't it even try to connect? Or give any senseful error message?
I just get "Couldn't connect!". Have I to change some mdk-specific files to 
become this working?

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Re:Re: [newbie] mandrakeupdate

[n1uan2]

Hi Dave
Good to hear from you
i am using mandrake 8.1 standrad edition the mandrakeupdate i will have to look it up 
well i have try differnt mirrors cant remember which ones now
just try to see what version update i have and cant seem to find it
ok be waiting to hear any info
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Re:Re: [newbie] mandrakeupdate

[n1uan2]

yes it saids not found in the importance  part but it still doesnt download the newer 
version and still list the older one as being installed
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Re: [newbie] mandrakeupdate

[Bill Davidson]

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:16:33 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> HI
> I been trying to use the mandrakeupdate and it seems it is going to
> good i add an source and download it and when i go to get the updates
> it saids what version i have installed and it shows there is an newer
> version but it always said not found can anyone please help and tell
> me step by step what i need to do as i been trying this for the past
> few days thanks in advance
> Bob

Are you saying that when you try to download the package it's not found?
Or does it say 'not found' next to the package version listed in
software manager? If it's the latter, don't worry. That just means it
can't find the importance of the update. Sometimes it will say not
found, others will say security.

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Re: [newbie] mandrakeupdate

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On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 02:16:33AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HI
> I been trying to use the mandrakeupdate and it seems it is going to good
> i add an source and download it and when i go to get the updates it saids what 
>version i have installed and it shows there is an newer version but it always said 
>not found can anyone please help and tell me step by step what i need to do as i been 
>trying this for the past few days
> thanks in advance
> Bob
> 
Hi Bob,
 What version of Mandrake, and what version of MandrakeUpdate are you using
Bob? Please also let me know what mirror source you are using some mirrors
are rather slow to update.

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Re: [newbie] mandrakeupdate

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On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HI
> I been trying to use the mandrakeupdate and it seems it is going to good
> i add an source and download it and when i go to get the updates it saids
> what version i have installed and it shows there is an newer version but it
> always said not found can anyone please help and tell me step by step what
> i need to do as i been trying this for the past few days thanks in advance
> Bob
>

Are you using PPC 8.2?

Here's the latest from the Newsletter if you are


8.2 PPC Errata:
Error scenario: The 8.2 PPC Software Manager doesn't successfully 
retrieve software updates.
Solution: Manually download and install 'grpmi-8.2-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm' from 
any of the FTP locations (such as 
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/ppc/8.2/RPMS/). 
The next time the Software Manager is run, the ability to download and 
install updates is restored. 


Another suggestion is change the mirror you are pointed at. Also if you are 
on 56K be patient while the database is built. Can't help more than that 
sorry. 

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[newbie] mandrakeupdate

[n1uan2]

HI
I been trying to use the mandrakeupdate and it seems it is going to good
i add an source and download it and when i go to get the updates it saids what version 
i have installed and it shows there is an newer version but it always said not found 
can anyone please help and tell me step by step what i need to do as i been trying 
this for the past few days
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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate, say what?

[Ibly Piblo]

Hello, would anyone know why
MandrakeUpdate cannot work at this time?

I am running 8.2

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

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On Friday 22 February 2002 09:59, Mithrilhall2000 wrote:
> Every time I try to use the MandrakeUpdate I get errors saying it wasn't
> able to install anything.

You may be trying to download too much. Occasionally MUpd finds that 
fubar-1.2-3 is available, but by the time it gets around to doing that, 
after downloading everything else, dubar -1.2-4 has taken its place 
already. This can then upset the whole lot of downloads and installs. It 
shouldn't, but sometimes it does. Before you click Cancel on MUpd, have a 
look in /var/cache/grpmi and see if (some of ) your packages are actually 
there, and install them by hand. I do this every time MUpd gets a 
bellyache and it has saved me a lot of re-downloads.

Otherwise, just keep trying different mirrors. For cooker purposes, 
ftp.ciril.fr is pretty good at the moment, but last year I had more joy 
with ftp.sunet.se

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Mithrilhall2000]

Every time I try to use the MandrakeUpdate I get errors saying it wasn't
able to install anything.

Does anyone know what the problem might be or if there was originally a
problem when 8.1 shipped?

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate - where to get a list or sources

[Pen Gwynne]

Really dumb question folks.  Where can I get a list of ftp/http sites to pass 
into MandrakeUpdate.  I am "non-adventurous" user in that I am primarily 
interested only in security updates.

I looked on the Mandrake site but didn't find anything obvious.  Course if it 
was obvious then I guess I wouldn't be sending this mail now

Prior to Mandrake 8.1 spent a lot of time with Debian - which it were that 
easy with RPM!!

Thanks,
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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate problems

[Andre Dubuc]

I would like to get the latest Security Update, especially for glibc, but I'm 
having problems (again) actually getting MU to work. 

The ftp site I've used in the past was ftp://ftp.ciril.fr but it seems to 
have gone bye-bye (i.e., nothing happens when the source lists are loaded). 
Yet, "ciril" is on my MU "Updates only" list. However, after connecting to 
the web, the lists load, but nothing shows up for updates. That cute little 
slider keeps going and going, but the update area is blank.

I've checked "details" in kppp to see if anything is happening, and for a 
short period, there's some activity. I've checked /var/cache/urpmi and it 
shows some of the latest updates, but why don't they show up in MU??

I decided to delete the source in MU, and try again. Now, I can't get the 
"ciril" source to stick. No matter what I do, after I press "OK" it 
disappears. (Am I supposed to do this while on the Internet, perhaps? I can't 
remember how I did it before.)

If anyone has any ideas, tricks, or even a better mirror source, I'd 
appreciate any help I can get on this.

Btw, where would I find a list of mirrors for MU security updates?  
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate wont work

[Kyle Baker]

I didn't notice any followup postings on this topic...is anyone else having 
these problems?  I sure am.   When i add a source it looks like it works but 
then later disappears.  Also, the update for mirror sites doesn't work.

What gives?...

Thanks for any insight anyone has...

Kyle Baker
LM-8.0

On Sunday 26 August 2001 02:28 pm, Peter Watson wrote:
> I've been trying MandrakeUpdate but cant make it work.
>
> First it wont update a list of mirror sites. To try and get round this I
> found the address of an FTP site on Mandrakes web site and input this
> manually.
>
> The adding source thingy seemed to work and the site appeared on the list
> of sources, but then when I hit ok I just reloaded my CD sources and my new
> source address had disappeared fom the list of sources.
>
> Very grateful for any explanations or suggestions on how to get this
> working



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[newbie] mandrakeupdate

[antoine rivoire]

hi every body.
here is the problem:
i installed lm8, and mandrakeupdate wouldn't work. (wouldn't fetch server 
list for updates)
i looked through the old messages about that and found where civileme said: 
do a rpm --rebuilddb, that should do the trick
well i did it because civileme is always right.
and, must have been my unlucky day, he was wrong (in mycase anyway).
now it is well and trully broken. here is what i get when trying to open it 
from konsole:
 MandrakeUpdate: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmdk-0.1.so.2: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

now, how do i trace what that is and what package to reinstall?

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate wont work

[Peter Watson]

I still can't get MandrakeUpdate to get the list of mirrors for security 
updates. However I have found the following in .xsession-errors

=
* Connected to www.linux-mandrake.com (63.209.80.235)
> GET /mirrorsfull.list HTTP/1.0
Host: www.linux-mandrake.com
Pragma: no-cache
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I assume that this refers to my problem, if anyone can explain what it means 
I would be grateful.
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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate wont work

[Peter Watson]

I've been trying MandrakeUpdate but cant make it work.

First it wont update a list of mirror sites. To try and get round this I 
found the address of an FTP site on Mandrakes web site and input this 
manually.

The adding source thingy seemed to work and the site appeared on the list of 
sources, but then when I hit ok I just reloaded my CD sources and my new 
source address had disappeared fom the list of sources.

Very grateful for any explanations or suggestions on how to get this working
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Tom Cada]

I have the same problem with my laptop. It looks like the software
manager is not building the command line properly. I have posted but
received no reply. It looks like this is one of the many bugs in 8.0.

Tom.

Smiley wrote:

> Hi, all!
> When I try to retrieve packages from wahtever source through
> MandrakeUpdate, Software Installer give me this error message: "Bad,
> unreadable or not found packages" - "Sorry but all packages raised an
> error. so I can't proceed with the installation"
> This happens since yesterday, before all worked fine...
> Any hint?
>
> Corrado

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Smiley]

Hi, all!
When I try to retrieve packages from wahtever source through
MandrakeUpdate, Software Installer give me this error message: "Bad,
unreadable or not found packages" - "Sorry but all packages raised an
error. so I can't proceed with the installation"
This happens since yesterday, before all worked fine...
Any hint?

Corrado

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate problem

[Michel Clasquin]

About 19 times out of 20, Mandrake update gets me the list of packages, then 
when I select some and hist "get updates" it just goes back and updates the 
list again instead of  actually fetching the rpms! Unless I enable my ISP's 
proxy servers: then it won't even get the listing.

I've done the rpm --rebuilddb thing and i have tried different sites. I am on 
dial-up, 56K

Any ideas?


TIA
Michel
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate troubles

[bpremeaux]

I have had to download some things to a temp directory and run update from there.  The 
cups 1.1.6 update gave me some dependancy problems.  I had to download the missing 
files and update from temp.

Barry :-)


On Tue, 20 February 2001, Dennis Myers wrote:

> 
> Does the same thing to me with the same packages. I went to rpmfind.net
> and downloaded the rpms from there.
> 
> ed wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody here have an answer to my problem I updated almost everything 
> > with MandrakeUpdate but when I try to update glibc,linuxconf,ghostscript or
> > cups I just get error RPM not signed or It just freezes, I know my firewall
> > has port 21 open to recieve data only because I was able to update almost
> > everything else. Ive tried everything from turning off my firewall while I try
> > to download the updates but still just freezes up MandrakeUpdate any help
> > would be great thanks too all who reply. running mandrake 7.2 
> > 
> > 
> > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1



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RE: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate troubles

[Franki]

don't know what is different with my system, but I updated linuxconf with no
probs using mandrakeupdate,, went flawlessly..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Myers
Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2001 12:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate troubles


Does the same thing to me with the same packages. I went to rpmfind.net
and downloaded the rpms from there.

ed wrote:

> Does anybody here have an answer to my problem I updated almost everything
> with MandrakeUpdate but when I try to update glibc,linuxconf,ghostscript
or
> cups I just get error RPM not signed or It just freezes, I know my
firewall
> has port 21 open to recieve data only because I was able to update almost
> everything else. Ive tried everything from turning off my firewall while I
try
> to download the updates but still just freezes up MandrakeUpdate any help
> would be great thanks too all who reply. running mandrake 7.2
>
> 
> Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate problems

[Tagbo Ekwueme-Okoli]

I have a 650 MHz Duron running LM 7.2 When I try to install packages using
MandrakeUpdate I get an error saying that the packages have been installed.
However, the installed version number and the current version number in MU
are different and the packages continue to show up every time I bring up
MandrakeUpdate?

Any ideas

Thanks

Tagbo Ekwueme-Okoli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate and librpmio.so.0

[Paul R]

I've been having the exact same problem.  Have you figured out how to 
get around this yet?

-Paul R

U2Zoo wrote:

> Oops. I spoke too soon.
> 
> Mandrake 7.2
> I am still unable to update rpm (which is where the librpmio.so.0 file that
> I need lives) using MandrakeUpdate.
> 
> I get a dependency error, i.e. glibc >=2.1.92 is required.
> I currently have glibc-2.1.3-16mdk.i586.rpm installed.
> 
> However, when I try to update to glibc-2.2-12mdk.i586.rpm, MandrakeUpdate
> retrieves the 12MB file and then comes up with the following unhelpful
> requestor:
> 
> "Error. Package can't be installed glibc-2.2-12mdk.i586.rpm"
> 
> How can I find the cause of this error?
> Will MandrakeUpdate ever work?
> My brain hurts!
> 
> Bernie.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate and librpmio.so.0

[U2Zoo]

Oops. I spoke too soon.

Mandrake 7.2
I am still unable to update rpm (which is where the librpmio.so.0 file that
I need lives) using MandrakeUpdate.

I get a dependency error, i.e. glibc >=2.1.92 is required.
I currently have glibc-2.1.3-16mdk.i586.rpm installed.

However, when I try to update to glibc-2.2-12mdk.i586.rpm, MandrakeUpdate
retrieves the 12MB file and then comes up with the following unhelpful
requestor:

"Error. Package can't be installed glibc-2.2-12mdk.i586.rpm"

How can I find the cause of this error?
Will MandrakeUpdate ever work?
My brain hurts!

Bernie.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate and librpmio.so.0

[U2Zoo]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> go to http://rpmfind.net, type in "librpmio" in the search box and hit
> 'search'...

Hey Thanks Paul. It worked!

Regards,
Bernie.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate and librpmio.so.0

[Paul]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, U2Zoo wrote:

>When I try to do these two upgrades I receive an error message saying:
>
>librpmio.so.0 is needed.

go to http://rpmfind.net, type in "librpmio" in the search box and hit
'search'...

Paul

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate and librpmio.so.0

[U2Zoo]

I am trying to upgrade my Mandrake 7.2 system using MandrakeUpdate.

The Mandrake support page says that I should begin by upgrading
MandrakeUpdate itself and grpmi.

When I try to do these two upgrades I receive an error message saying:

librpmio.so.0 is needed.

Can anyone please advise me where to find librpmio.so.0 and how to install
it?

TIA
Bernie.
Bernie.
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Paul]

It was Nov 11, 2000, 00:44, when eagleice keyboarded:

>OK! Now at least I know that  isn't installed.:-(
>But I've also been looking for it on the cd's, Mandrake sites and FreshMeat, 
>if it isn't a part of the DrakConf package (I've never actually got an answer 
>on that, been asking a few times on mail list's and on IRC) what then is the 
>name of the MandrakeUpdate rpm package and where can I find it?

>-> try rpm -q MandrakeUpdate to see if it is installed.
>-> On my machine it is in /usr/X11R6/bin/MandrakeUpdate (mdk7.1)

On my MDK7.1 disk (install) it is called MandrakeUpdate-7.1-8mdk.i586.rpm

Paul

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[eagleice]

OK! Now at least I know that  isn't installed.:-(
But I've also been looking for it on the cd's, Mandrake sites and FreshMeat, 
if it isn't a part of the DrakConf package (I've never actually got an answer 
on that, been asking a few times on mail list's and on IRC) what then is the 
name of the MandrakeUpdate rpm package and where can I find it?

Cheers,
ei

On Friday 10 November 2000 20:07, you wrote:
-> It was Nov 10, 2000, 17:44, when eagleice keyboarded:
->
-> >Thank's for your reply!]
-> >
-> ># MandrakeUpdate
-> >bash: MandrakeUpdate: command not found
-> >
-> >is what I get as su on console logged in as user. DrakConf is installed,
-> >isn't MandrakeUpdate a part of that?
->
-> try rpm -q MandrakeUpdate to see if it is installed.
-> On my machine it is in /usr/X11R6/bin/MandrakeUpdate (mdk7.1)
->
-> Paul
->
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Paul]

It was Nov 10, 2000, 17:44, when eagleice keyboarded:

>Thank's for your reply!]
>
># MandrakeUpdate
>bash: MandrakeUpdate: command not found 
>
>is what I get as su on console logged in as user. DrakConf is installed, 
>isn't MandrakeUpdate a part of that?

try rpm -q MandrakeUpdate to see if it is installed.
On my machine it is in /usr/X11R6/bin/MandrakeUpdate (mdk7.1)

Paul

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[eagleice]

Thank's for your reply!]

# MandrakeUpdate
bash: MandrakeUpdate: command not found 

is what I get as su on console logged in as user. DrakConf is installed, 
isn't MandrakeUpdate a part of that?

Best,
ei

On Friday 10 November 2000 14:38, you wrote:
-> Open up a console, type 'MandrakeUpdate' (without the quotes).  If it got
-> installed on your box, it should start up.  If it didn't get installed, it
-> won't start.
->
-> Regards,
-> Tyler Longren
->
->
-> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, eagleice wrote:
-> > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:34:52 +0100
-> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-> > From: eagleice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-> > Subject: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate
-> >
-> > Hi!
-> > I've installed Mandrake 7.2, the DrakeConf program wasn't installed in
-> > the
-> > beginning but now that's up too, but I can't find the program
-> > MandrakeUpdate!
-> > Isn't it supposed to be included in DrakeConf, there is this Live Update
-> > alternative but that's only pointing to the cd-rom.
-> > Can someone give me a hint on this.
-> >
-> > Thank's & cheers,
-> > ei


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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[eagleice]

Hi!
I've installed Mandrake 7.2, the DrakeConf program wasn't installed in the 
beginning but now that's up too, but I can't find the program MandrakeUpdate!
Isn't it supposed to be included in DrakeConf, there is this Live Update 
alternative but that's only pointing to the cd-rom.
Can someone give me a hint on this.

Thank's & cheers,
ei

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Mark Weaver]

The easiest and best way to do this is to download the necessary rpm's
from where ever...rpmfind.net..., uninstall the current netscape rpm's
using kpackage and then install the new version of netscape using the same
package installer. Works like a charm every time.

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Surprisingly on Fri, 3 Nov 2000 mrweb had this to say!

> Hi,
> 
> I used MandrakeUpdate to upgrade Netscape and some other stuff too. After
> it downloaded and installed(?) the new versions of Netscape etc, I still
> have the old one running in place.
> 
> How do I swap out the old ns for the new ns?
> 
> :)
> 
> mrweb
> 
> PS-Oh yeah, how do I change the ns mail headers? I don't like it to say
> what it does?
> 
> +--+
> |Republican support for RALPH NADER as |
> |President of the United States 2000   |
> |is growing rapidly everyday!  |
> |--|
> | WORD on the street is Boy George JUNIOR  |
> |   has no natural `curiosity' |
> |  thus rendering him `UNABLE' to  |
> |`multi-task'  |
> |sounds like a very Micro$oft type of GUY! |
> |no wonder he supports letting  MS |
> |  completely off of the `M' hook! |
> | Ask yourself and everyone else you know  |
> |   Do I really want a `MONO-MIND' as a|
> |   Commander and Chief of the Country?|
> |  Can you see the `blue screen of death'  |
> |   washing over Boy Georgies face as he   |
> |  flails away attempting in vain to be a  |
> | `LEADER'?|
> | First he stomps his feet, then he pouts, |
> |next he puffs, and finally he calls   |
> |   out to his |
> |`MOMMA'!  |
> | Completeing each task in sequential and  |
> | incremental order, one by one unaware of |
> |the opportunities abounding around|
> |  to spawn a new process and oblivious to |
> | the dimensions of the|
> | back and fore grounds.   |
> | `SEG-FAULTING'   |
> |  in a|
> | `MULTI-TASKING' Environment, |
> |   such as the world we live in today,|
> |  is not why to pick a|
> |`LEADER', |
> |  it's just not the way!  |
> |  Functioning only in a   |
> |`narrow sliver of the mind'   |
> | reminds me of the worlds favorite choice |
> |of OS I knew of for a time.   |
> +--+
> 
> 
> 
> 

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[Jon]

>
> Subject: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:04:38 -0500
> From: _-+Richard Kim=-_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> the utility on the desktop will work and connect and blah does
> everything fine, but howcome there are no updates do I have the most
> updated version or what because I got mandrake kernel 2.2.14-1mdklinus
> and it says no updates, NO WAY, is there a solution or is it just no
> updates??
> ---

You want an update, you got it!  Stick your cdrom in the drive and look
though the RPMS

The kernel you have installed is PREpatches.

Use kpackage to READ the package descriptions.  There are other kernels
in that directory...

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[_-+Richard Kim=-_]

the utility on the desktop will work and connect and blah does
everything fine, but howcome there are no updates do I have the most
updated version or what because I got mandrake kernel 2.2.14-1mdklinus
and it says no updates, NO WAY, is there a solution or is it just no
updates??

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate

[James Mellema]

David Regan wrote:
> 
> I was not able to run MandrakeUpdate under v6.0 and now I have the same problem with 
>v7.0. When I run the program it chugs away for a while and then comes back with 
>"fetching of mirror list failed. Has anyone else had this problem or know of a 
>solution.
snip

I think the program is not connecting to the internet. There was a
discussion about it a couple of months ago on 'newbie'. Check the
archives for more details.
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate broken?

[Morris Walton]

Yes!  I am having the same problem.  It looks like the mirrors have
changed
to no longer have the update directory.  I don't know why or what to do
about
it though.


Morris
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Salsa Doom wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> Quick question, has anyone gotten mandrake update to work? I remember using
> it with 6.0 a while ago, it worked pretty sweet.
> 
> All the mirrors return basically the same error... i tried a lot of them.
> I'm using the latest version of MandrakeUpdate. Anyone else having problems?
> 
> --12:26:39--
> ftp://ftp.sunet.se:21/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1/ls-lR
>=> `-'
> Connecting to ftp.sunet.se:21... connected!
> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1
> ...
> No such directory `pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1'.
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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate broken?

[Salsa Doom]

Hello all.

Quick question, has anyone gotten mandrake update to work? I remember using 
it with 6.0 a while ago, it worked pretty sweet.

All the mirrors return basically the same error... i tried a lot of them. 
I'm using the latest version of MandrakeUpdate. Anyone else having problems?

--12:26:39-- 
ftp://ftp.sunet.se:21/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1/ls-lR
   => `-'
Connecting to ftp.sunet.se:21... connected!
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1 
...
No such directory `pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/6.1'.
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Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate problems

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Jim Vaughan wrote:

> When I go to install the update for MandrakeUpdate I get a dependency
> problem. Supposedly wget and grpmi are not installed on my system. 
> Where should I go to find these two files on the Mandrake distribution?
> or where can I download them from?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Vaughan

Cute, I dunno how it happened but they are on the cdrom. 

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[newbie] MandrakeUpdate problems

[Jim Vaughan]

When I go to install the update for MandrakeUpdate I get a dependency
problem. Supposedly wget and grpmi are not installed on my system. 
Where should I go to find these two files on the Mandrake distribution?
or where can I download them from?

Thanks in advance,
Jim Vaughan

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate problems

[Jim Vaughan]

When I go to install the update for MandrakeUpdate I get a dependency
problem. Supposedly wget and grpmi are not installed on my system. 
Where should I go to find these two files on the Mandrake distribution?
or where can I download them from?

Thanks in advance,
Jim Vaughan

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate as user -- SOLVED!

[Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.]

I don't know about how update keeps track of what needs installing, but when
you did the update, did Mandrake-update reload the available updates list? It
should have, and the screen package should not have been on the list at that
time (following the update). Check that the package was sucessfully installed
with RPM or KRPM. If the previous version is listed as still being installed,
then that may be the culprit. This is just a shot in the dark, but worth
looking at. Then you will have a better idea where the problem is comming from,
and perhaps what needs fixing.

Ernie


On Sat, 23 Oct 1999,Mr-X- wrote:
  | Hi again..
  | i was just playing around with the update and i went to a diferent mirror site
  | and wanted me to update the screen package that i updated just a few minutes
  | ago. doesnt it write to a file somewhere so that it knows youv already updated
  | that package ?
  | 
  | On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher said:
  | > Dear friends:
  | > 
  | > The credit for this solution belongs to Andrew, a member of our list. I
  | > apologize for not remembering his surname. I hope he comes through to
  | > confirm this.
  | > 
  | > OK, the solution is a piece of cake (again, please take a bow, Andrew):
  | > 
  | > On your Mandrake 6.1 desktop, right-click on the Update icon: actually
  | > not on the icon itself but on the caption "update" beneath. This will
  | > bring up a short menu with Properties as the last item on the menu. Open
  | > that and go into Execute, delete what's there and type:
  | > 
  | > kdesu -c MandrakeUpdate
  | > 
  | > 
  | > Just like that. No quotes.
  | > 
  | > 
  | > Click OK.
  | > 
  | > If necessary, log out of KDE and log back in (as user). You probably
  | > won't have to log out at all. The change should take effect immediately
  | > (unlike in Windows, where the slightest configuration chagne requires a
  | > reboot).
  | > 
  | > Now just click on the Update icon (yellow star) on the Desktop. It will
  | > ask you for your root password right off. Remember to check the
  | > "remember password" part at left bottom of the dialogue box. And the
  | > rest is history.
  | > 
  | > I had entered the command a few days ago, but tonight was my first
  | > chance to test it. There were two update rpms waiting for me. It worked
  | > flawlessly, fetching and installing the rpms AS USER (that is, as user
  | > who has automatically su - to root while still logged in as user in KDE. 
  | > 
  | > You can also open xterm and su - to root and type the same command.
  | > Should work just as well.
  | > 
  | > Once Update remembers your password, it's all automatic and just plain
  | > fun to watch it to its updating for direct from the Internet's
  | > neverneverland. And you never have to leave KDE as user.
  | > 
  | > It works, folks, and flawlessly.
  | > 
  | > Yours,
  | > 
  | > Benjamin
  | > -- 
  | > Benjamin and Anna Sher
  | > Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | > Sher's Russian Web
  | > http://www.websher.net

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate as user -- SOLVED!

[Mr-X-]

Hi again..
i was just playing around with the update and i went to a diferent mirror site
and wanted me to update the screen package that i updated just a few minutes
ago. doesnt it write to a file somewhere so that it knows youv already updated
that package ?

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher said:
> Dear friends:
> 
> The credit for this solution belongs to Andrew, a member of our list. I
> apologize for not remembering his surname. I hope he comes through to
> confirm this.
> 
> OK, the solution is a piece of cake (again, please take a bow, Andrew):
> 
> On your Mandrake 6.1 desktop, right-click on the Update icon: actually
> not on the icon itself but on the caption "update" beneath. This will
> bring up a short menu with Properties as the last item on the menu. Open
> that and go into Execute, delete what's there and type:
> 
> kdesu -c MandrakeUpdate
> 
> 
> Just like that. No quotes.
> 
> 
> Click OK.
> 
> If necessary, log out of KDE and log back in (as user). You probably
> won't have to log out at all. The change should take effect immediately
> (unlike in Windows, where the slightest configuration chagne requires a
> reboot).
> 
> Now just click on the Update icon (yellow star) on the Desktop. It will
> ask you for your root password right off. Remember to check the
> "remember password" part at left bottom of the dialogue box. And the
> rest is history.
> 
> I had entered the command a few days ago, but tonight was my first
> chance to test it. There were two update rpms waiting for me. It worked
> flawlessly, fetching and installing the rpms AS USER (that is, as user
> who has automatically su - to root while still logged in as user in KDE. 
> 
> You can also open xterm and su - to root and type the same command.
> Should work just as well.
> 
> Once Update remembers your password, it's all automatic and just plain
> fun to watch it to its updating for direct from the Internet's
> neverneverland. And you never have to leave KDE as user.
> 
> It works, folks, and flawlessly.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Benjamin
> -- 
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate as user -- SOLVED!

[Mr-X-]

Bloody finaly
thanx guys

Mr-X-

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher said:
> Dear friends:
> 
> The credit for this solution belongs to Andrew, a member of our list. I
> apologize for not remembering his surname. I hope he comes through to
> confirm this.
> 
> OK, the solution is a piece of cake (again, please take a bow, Andrew):
> 
> On your Mandrake 6.1 desktop, right-click on the Update icon: actually
> not on the icon itself but on the caption "update" beneath. This will
> bring up a short menu with Properties as the last item on the menu. Open
> that and go into Execute, delete what's there and type:
> 
> kdesu -c MandrakeUpdate
> 
> 
> Just like that. No quotes.
> 
> 
> Click OK.
> 
> If necessary, log out of KDE and log back in (as user). You probably
> won't have to log out at all. The change should take effect immediately
> (unlike in Windows, where the slightest configuration chagne requires a
> reboot).
> 
> Now just click on the Update icon (yellow star) on the Desktop. It will
> ask you for your root password right off. Remember to check the
> "remember password" part at left bottom of the dialogue box. And the
> rest is history.
> 
> I had entered the command a few days ago, but tonight was my first
> chance to test it. There were two update rpms waiting for me. It worked
> flawlessly, fetching and installing the rpms AS USER (that is, as user
> who has automatically su - to root while still logged in as user in KDE. 
> 
> You can also open xterm and su - to root and type the same command.
> Should work just as well.
> 
> Once Update remembers your password, it's all automatic and just plain
> fun to watch it to its updating for direct from the Internet's
> neverneverland. And you never have to leave KDE as user.
> 
> It works, folks, and flawlessly.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Benjamin
> -- 
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate not working

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Ripcrd6 wrote:

> Sounds like you may have to go select packages on your own to download and
> install.
> Brian
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Desnoyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:11 AM
> Subject: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate not working
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My ISP uses a proxy-caching server  that I must use... (port 80
> blocked) so MandrakeUpdate doesn't see the update site... what do I do ? I
> do I configure MandrakeUpdate? do I have to wait till 6.1 ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Patrick Desnoyers

try setting your HTTP_PROXY and FTP_PROXY environment strings

export=HTTP_PROXY='http://proxy.your_isp.com:8080'

Re: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate not working

[Ripcrd6]

Sounds like you may have to go select packages on your own to download and
install.
Brian
-Original Message-
From: Patrick Desnoyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:11 AM
Subject: [newbie] MandrakeUpdate not working




My ISP uses a proxy-caching server  that I must use... (port 80
blocked) so MandrakeUpdate doesn't see the update site... what do I do ? I
do I configure MandrakeUpdate? do I have to wait till 6.1 ?




Patrick Desnoyers

[newbie] MandrakeUpdate not working

[Patrick Desnoyers]

Title: MandrakeUpdate not working






My ISP uses a proxy-caching server  that I must use... (port 80 blocked) so MandrakeUpdate doesn't see the update site... what do I do ? I do I configure MandrakeUpdate? do I have to wait till 6.1 ?



Patrick Desnoyers