Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:39:29 + Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 30 Jan 2005 16:58, JR wrote: > > Would someone clarify this for me please? > > > > "If you use Reply but change the subject, you are hijacking." > > > > Does this mean if you change the 'subject' field, or the topic > > of the thread? Reading it, it would seem to mean the former. But > > common sense tells me the latter. > If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type > in something different, you are hijacking. What Anne said is correct, and is what the etiquette page refers to. Just to prevent future confusion, i'll add a little to it. We often do call it a hijack if you change the topic during a thread even if you don't change the subject. Usually it's a case of going off on a tangent. Sometimes people will realize it and add HIJACK to the subject line, but i've never seen a "ruling" on that. Like i said though, what Anne said is really the answer to your question. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:58:37 -0500 JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type in > > something different, you are hijacking. > > > > If you use View > Headers > All Headers on this message you will see a line > > that starts with 'References;' . Since your message has the ID > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will be in the line. > > In other words, my answer to you is connected by thread. When you hijack, > > your 'new subject' retains that thread connection. This makes for > > difficulties: > Thanks, thats the area I wasn't clear on. I thought the mails were only > threaded on the subject, hence a change of subject wouldnt cause a problem. > > 1) The thread becomes fragmented and difficult to follow. > > > > 2) Many people follow or ignore a thread according to their own interests > > and time available. If the original thread was being ignored by the person > > best able to help you he will not see it. > > > > > I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) > > > > Asking *is* common sense. I hope it's clearer now ;-) > It is indeed. Thanks again Anne. > > Jarlath Don't feel too bad about it. I had been using email for 25 years and I still got caught out on the subject != thread business. -- Len Lawrence -- Be nice to people on the way up, because you'll meet them on your way down. -- Wilson Mizner -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 Jan 2005 21:58, JR wrote: > > Asking *is* common sense. I hope it's clearer now ;-) > > It is indeed. Thanks again Anne. > You're welcome Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB/VP8kFAvMr/nNX8RAhNhAJ4qlocogoPZWxTQuI/jblUsVg7KJwCfdW+L rc/sZ46cfj+RwTRv4POsaMU= =csW1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
> Since you are running KMail, you can easily set up threading from the > Folder tool. (You'll have to do it on a folder-by-folder basis.) Then > select (KMail) Configure / Appearance and check the box "Open threads that > contain ...". Thanks cmg, I followed your steps. It actually turns out they are the default settings in my case, so I didnt have to do anything - but it's good to know. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
On Sunday 30 January 2005 04:58 pm, JR wrote: >>> whack a very good explanation from Anne about the evils of hijacking JR: IIRC, the MS mail clients do not support threading (possibly because they're too busy importing various kinds of system-busting malware?), with the result that recent immigrants from Windows seem to be the worst offenders about hijacking. To your credit, you do bottom post -- most ex-Windowsers tend to top post. Since you are running KMail, you can easily set up threading from the Folder tool. (You'll have to do it on a folder-by-folder basis.) Then select (KMail) Configure / Appearance and check the box "Open threads that contain ...". That will cause KMail to close all threads except those containing new, unread, or important messages as well as watched threads. (You can set those flags -- and others -- by right clicking on the message.) Warning: While this will make slogging through your mail much simpler, it may also lead to posting nastygrams to people who break or hijack threads. HTH -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
> If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type in > something different, you are hijacking. > > If you use View > Headers > All Headers on this message you will see a line > that starts with 'References;' . Since your message has the ID > [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will be in the line. > In other words, my answer to you is connected by thread. When you hijack, > your 'new subject' retains that thread connection. This makes for > difficulties: Thanks, thats the area I wasn't clear on. I thought the mails were only threaded on the subject, hence a change of subject wouldnt cause a problem. > 1) The thread becomes fragmented and difficult to follow. > > 2) Many people follow or ignore a thread according to their own interests > and time available. If the original thread was being ignored by the person > best able to help you he will not see it. > > > I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) > > Asking *is* common sense. I hope it's clearer now ;-) It is indeed. Thanks again Anne. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 Jan 2005 16:58, JR wrote: > Would someone clarify this for me please? > > "If you use Reply but change the subject, you are hijacking." > > Does this mean if you change the 'subject' field, or the topic of the > thread? Reading it, it would seem to mean the former. But common sense > tells me the latter. > If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type in something different, you are hijacking. If you use View > Headers > All Headers on this message you will see a line that starts with 'References;' . Since your message has the ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will be in the line. In other words, my answer to you is connected by thread. When you hijack, your 'new subject' retains that thread connection. This makes for difficulties: 1) The thread becomes fragmented and difficult to follow. 2) Many people follow or ignore a thread according to their own interests and time available. If the original thread was being ignored by the person best able to help you he will not see it. > I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) > Asking *is* common sense. I hope it's clearer now ;-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB/OORkFAvMr/nNX8RAiKgAJ45UShPd1F1pUsTsDkn7/aZhcf43wCfZvFV HBL6hEQExusQaKo815O3wp4= =S5KI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
Would someone clarify this for me please? "If you use Reply but change the subject, you are hijacking." Does this mean if you change the 'subject' field, or the topic of the thread? Reading it, it would seem to mean the former. But common sense tells me the latter. I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
