Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:03:18 -0500 Bob Read disseminated the following: > > [snip] > > > > Bush = US government > > > > Graham > > Graham, your "equation" is out of balance > by roughly: > > 1 = 200,000,000+ > > If we're not doing the job properly, then > blame us -- not our "hired help." That's assuming you actually 'hired' him ;-) As Josef Stalin said, it matters not who casts the ballots, only who counts them. In any case, when was the last time a politician did what he said to get elected, in Canada, the US, Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. For my part, people are people everywhere you go, we're all equally guilty as not when it comes to shenanigans like software patents. One's responsibility for just laws and behaviour doesn't end when they vote. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 14:02:48 up 17 days, 16:06, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.02 +++ "Avoid being seized by the police. The cops are not your friends. Don't tell them anything." -- Hunter S. Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Graham wrote: [snip] Bush = US government Graham Graham, your "equation" is out of balance by roughly: 1 = 200,000,000+ If we're not doing the job properly, then blame us -- not our "hired help." -- -- Bob Read // Registered Linux user #287118 http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/e/bestill.htm Soli Deo Gloria-Solus Christus-Sola Gratia-Sola Fide-Sola Scriptura The Church of The Master [Baptist] Providence, Rhode Island http://users.ids.net/~bobread/cotm.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Thursday 10 March 2005 05:21 am, Graham wrote: > US government = subject custom made for the OT maillist, and _not_ on a tech help list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ET -- linux counter #167806 (http://counter.li.org/) website="http://ed-tharp.kicks-ass.org"; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
SigmaX wrote: [snip] how alot of those around her tend to blindly assume that the current US government can do no right, and that Iraq was all a scheme for Bush's glory, or oil, or just a bloody-thirsty move of a powerful nation, or whatever, without really ever considering that maybe the US government... as a whole, not just Bush... really thought that Iraq and Afganistan were threats to our security as a nation and should be subdued. Anyway, this is more suitable for the OT list, so I'll leave it be at that. Back to the original title, "Microsoft overrules EU Council", is there really any evidence that Microsoft had anything resembling a direct influence in the matter? Or was it just the assumtion of an M$-dispising soule that anything resembling buisness + money + evil must be of M$. Anywho. That's my three cents. SigmaX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com [snip] Bush = US government Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 07:52 am, rikona wrote: > Hello Philippe, > > Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 10:49:37 PM, Philippe wrote: > >> This is apparently of interest to quite a few people, and would be an > >> EXCELLENT topic for the OT list... but someone has to start it there. > >> Would you like to volunteer? > > PL> unfortunately, the off-topic list is dominated > PL> by people with sectarian views proud of using foul language. > More Like Fowel language > > PL> the rapid advancement of corporate-fascist take-over > PL> is obviously originating in the US and Europe. and this post once you pull the relevent core isn't ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 01:49 am, Philippe Landau wrote: > > This is apparently of interest to quite a few people, and would be an > > EXCELLENT topic for the OT list... but someone has to start it there. > > Would you like to volunteer? > > unfortunately, the off-topic list is dominated > by people with sectarian views proud of using foul language. > > also, when people start to compete on the level of > which nation/union is better, insights vaporize. > > the rapid advancement of corporate-fascist take-over > is obviously originating in the US and Europe. > > kind regards philippe > > -- > > http://stop1984.com > http://AntonySutton.com and I disagree with your general assessment of the Offtopic list. Sure, things get carried away sometimes, but I don't see it to the extent your mentioning. -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 06:54, SigmaX wrote: > Back to the original title, "Microsoft overrules EU Council", is > there really any evidence that Microsoft had anything resembling > a direct influence in the matter? Or was it just the assumtion > of an M$-dispising soule that anything resembling buisness + > money + evil must be of M$. Very good evidence. During a "friendly" visit to Danish Prime Minister Mr. Anders Fogh Rasmussen in February, Mr. Gates threatened to close down his Navision branch here if Denmark didn't support the EU Software Patents Directive. http://www.computerworld.dk/default.asp?Mode=2&ArticleID=27060 It's in Danish, but I guess Google can translate it for you. As it turned out, the blackmail was successful : although our Parliament mandated the Sec.Trade, Mr. Bendtsen to demand the EU Council take the matter off the agenda, he didn't. Public scandal over here. Mr. Bendtsen will have to come out with some very good explanations next week, being subjected to a hearing in Parliament. So far, the Patents Directive stands. You can read a lot more here : http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050308084230867 In English, that is. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
This is apparently of interest to quite a few people, and would be an EXCELLENT topic for the OT list... but someone has to start it there. Would you like to volunteer? unfortunately, the off-topic list is dominated by people with sectarian views proud of using foul language. also, when people start to compete on the level of which nation/union is better, insights vaporize. the rapid advancement of corporate-fascist take-over is obviously originating in the US and Europe. kind regards philippe -- http://stop1984.com http://AntonySutton.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Hello SigmaX, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 9:54:45 PM, SigmaX wrote: S> Anyway, this is more suitable for the OT list, so I'll leave it be S> at that. This is apparently of interest to quite a few people, and would be an EXCELLENT topic for the OT list... but someone has to start it there. Would you like to volunteer? -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Fernando Arturo Gómez Flores wrote: - Original Message - From: "Miark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:58 -0800, Fernando wrote: Pardon me? Are you blamming Europe? Haha, wasn't U.$. who allowed Microsoft to become such a huge beast? The US made M$ a beast in the US. Europeans are responsible for what happens in Europe. Haha, yep, that's why many European governments were trying to stop Microsoft's efforts of conquering Europe by increasing taxes... do you know what U.$. did as a counter-offensive? Well, they defended their beloved son by raising the taxes for European steel... that's playing fair, haha! Now, I totally agree that Europe wasn't able to stop the awake gigant, despite many governments effors (i.e. as far as I know, both the German and Spanish governments were only running Unix as their systems; a german and a spanish guy might confirm this). But it seems to me rather excessive blaming Europe when not even the U.$. was able to stop their problem in their own country. Of course, more excessive is to call them Nazis... when the nazism reborn is in the U.$. (shall I remind you the immigrant-hunters in Arizona?) (News flash: The US is not responsible for every thing that happens in every corner of the world.) I know, I know... of course that U.$. is not responsible for everything... usually, U.$. stays away from activities where their greed cannot be satisfied. But if an activity means profit to them, they won't care if people dies, if the environment is destroyed, if they leave entire nations in the poverty, if they divide nations, etc. As proves: 1. U.$. is in permanent war for the oil, i.e. in Afganistan and Irak twice, and now they are threating Venezuela and Iran. I would consider this an overstatement. I do not deny that the US has become a monster of capitalists and greed-driven polititions and organizations (As, sadly enough, have most governments), but as a whole I don't think that things get quite as far-fetched as all this. I'm not condoning all of America's actions, government wise, American though I be, but I really don't agree with the apparently general European mindset that Bush and the gang are out to conquer the world and control everything within the reach of the US on the slightest pretenses. My sister is in France and, though she's no Bush-lover, she can all the same see how alot of those around her tend to blindly assume that the current US government can do no right, and that Iraq was all a scheme for Bush's glory, or oil, or just a bloody-thirsty move of a powerful nation, or whatever, without really ever considering that maybe the US government... as a whole, not just Bush... really thought that Iraq and Afganistan were threats to our security as a nation and should be subdued. Anyway, this is more suitable for the OT list, so I'll leave it be at that. Back to the original title, "Microsoft overrules EU Council", is there really any evidence that Microsoft had anything resembling a direct influence in the matter? Or was it just the assumtion of an M$-dispising soule that anything resembling buisness + money + evil must be of M$. Anywho. That's my three cents. SigmaX -- Registered Linux Freak #: 366,862 http://counter.li.org "If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo, then Linux is Dolby Pro-Logic Surround Sound with Bass Boost and all the music is free." Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Hello Fernando, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 10:27:15 AM, Fernando wrote: FAGF> Anyway, this is not the forum for this discution. And it seems FAGF> that I made a storm in a glass of water; I apologize. My point FAGF> is that is excessive to call "Nazis" to Europe when not even FAGF> U.S. can fight their own daemons. The people on the OT list would LOVE to continue this, in all its gory detail. You bring up LOTS of good points that are worth exploring, but not here. Don't stop now, just bring it to the OT list. It's easy: Send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
- Original Message - From: "Miark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:58 -0800, Fernando wrote: > > > Pardon me? Are you blamming Europe? Haha, wasn't U.$. who > > allowed Microsoft to become such a huge beast? > > The US made M$ a beast in the US. Europeans are responsible for > what happens in Europe. Haha, yep, that's why many European governments were trying to stop Microsoft's efforts of conquering Europe by increasing taxes... do you know what U.$. did as a counter-offensive? Well, they defended their beloved son by raising the taxes for European steel... that's playing fair, haha! Now, I totally agree that Europe wasn't able to stop the awake gigant, despite many governments effors (i.e. as far as I know, both the German and Spanish governments were only running Unix as their systems; a german and a spanish guy might confirm this). But it seems to me rather excessive blaming Europe when not even the U.$. was able to stop their problem in their own country. Of course, more excessive is to call them Nazis... when the nazism reborn is in the U.$. (shall I remind you the immigrant-hunters in Arizona?) > > (News flash: The US is not responsible > for every thing that happens in every corner of the world.) > I know, I know... of course that U.$. is not responsible for everything... usually, U.$. stays away from activities where their greed cannot be satisfied. But if an activity means profit to them, they won't care if people dies, if the environment is destroyed, if they leave entire nations in the poverty, if they divide nations, etc. As proves: 1. U.$. is in permanent war for the oil, i.e. in Afganistan and Irak twice, and now they are threating Venezuela and Iran. 2. U.$. didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol for reducing environment pollution, despite that they produce 40% of the pollution in the world. 3. Kosovo in 1999 and Vietnam in 1970s are examples of countries that U.$. leave in poverty after the war, even when the war started for "helping" them. 4. Although the blame is shared with the U.S.S.R., it's a shame seeing Korea divided and with too much hate. I do not deny that U.S. has many, many good things. Technology advances such as Internet and in physics and maths (and The Simpsons =D) are remarkable. Unfortunately, U.S. harms more than it helps. Its amazing when you ask U.S. people and they really think that they're helping menkind. Unless U.S. citizens realize that the Empire struggles people around the world, and stop seeking for gold and money and golden money, the Empire will be hated until they fall (as Rome, the Sacre Roman-German Empire, Otoman Empire, the III Reich did. Even the Galactic Empire, with Darth Vader as the leader, fell =D). Anyway, this is not the forum for this discution. And it seems that I made a storm in a glass of water; I apologize. My point is that is excessive to call "Nazis" to Europe when not even U.S. can fight their own daemons. > > Miark > Best wishes, Fernando Gomez Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:58 -0800, Fernando wrote: > Pardon me? Are you blamming Europe? Haha, wasn't U.$. who > allowed Microsoft to become such a huge beast? The US made M$ a beast in the US. Europeans are responsible for what happens in Europe. (News flash: The US is not responsible for every thing that happens in every corner of the world.) Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 01:21:52 +0100 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > Europe. > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > I'm not surprised at all, it would have been at this meeting or the next > meeting or the next or the next.Politicians can be bought and the EU ones in > particular. > I'm not surprised there's no Dutch stance either, they've been the ones > working in the background pushing MS. Dutch EU politician Bolkestein up front > taking care of their rightsHe's right wing BTW and thankfully been pushed > offstage as of short. > > > Don't ever forget that the EU is not a democratic organisation, it's built > upon the European Steel and Coal Union..a multinational > affair.Unification is good but not solely on economic terms. Just a side note, this European Steel and Coal Union is *not* in any sense to be confused with an organization of workers for collective bargaining. It is more accurately described as a 'cartel'. I bring this up because it is only through democratic organization that software developers and users will defeat this cash grab by greedy mercantilist rats. As you and Kaj and others have pointed out, this is not going to happen by marking an 'X' on a ballot next to the name of some grifter who's supposed to 'represent' you. The people do not need to be spoken for, their voice may be heard loud and clear should their will be so. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:00:25 up 14 days, 22:03, 9 users, load average: 0.30, 0.10, 0.03 +++ "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." -- Hunter S. Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon March 7 2005 12:00, Isaac Hummel wrote: > Duncan Anderson wrote: > > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good > > at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should > > this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever! > > > > Bunch of Nazis! > > http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html Thanks for that link, Isaac. I like it -- 17:24:55 up 21:12, running Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Official) for i586, kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk Registered Linux user #324360 "The pyramid is opening!" "Which one?" "The one with the ever-widening hole in it!" -- Firesign Theater, "How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Monday 07 March 2005 13:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Here's to democracy, EU-style : > > http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > > In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change > the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item. > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > Europe. > > Kaj Haulrich. I'm not surprised at all, it would have been at this meeting or the next meeting or the next or the next.Politicians can be bought and the EU ones in particular. I'm not surprised there's no Dutch stance either, they've been the ones working in the background pushing MS. Dutch EU politician Bolkestein up front taking care of their rightsHe's right wing BTW and thankfully been pushed offstage as of short. Don't ever forget that the EU is not a democratic organisation, it's built upon the European Steel and Coal Union..a multinational affair.Unification is good but not solely on economic terms. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
From: "Fernando Arturo Gómez Flores" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Duncan Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Stephen Kühn wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Here's to democracy, EU-style :
> > >>
> > >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En
> > >>
> > >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council
> > >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change
> > >>the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item.
> > >>
> > >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in
> > >>Europe.
> > >>
> > >>Kaj Haulrich.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >That is completely ridiculous.
> > >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of very
mad
> > >folks.
> > >
> > >I don't think they'll get away with it.
> > >
> > >
> > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at.
> > They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this
> > be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever!
> >
> > Bunch of Nazis!
> >
> >
>
> Pardon me? Are you blamming Europe? Haha, wasn't U.$. who allowed
Microsoft
> to become such a huge beast? Isn't the U.$. responsable for the "savage
> capitalism"? Didn't the U.S. destroyed all communism efforts in the world
> (and I'm not talking about the USSR-like governments and no, I'm no
> communist)? I think it is only that Europe is being infected with U.$.
> "savage capitalism", that's all. If we pretend to "free" Europe, we should
> be working first on "Free" the U.$. That's why it is very interesting
> finding non-profit people like GNU community ACTUALLY in the U.$.
>
> By the way, sooner or later, the entire Latin american market will be
flood
> with Microsoft's policies if we don't act quickly. While L.A. countries
are
> developing their economies, there is a huge oportunity for Unix to become
> The O.S. in these markets (because Unix can reduce costs for the
enterprises
> and governments). This is our opportunity to "vaccinate" L.A. from U.$.
> "savage capitalism", and I really hope we all can do something (i.e.
> Mandrake in Brazil). I'm doing my part here in Mexico, by selling cheapest
> computers with Linux installed, offering cheapest Web Hosting in Linux
> servers and by writting cheap commercial programs and systems for Unix and
> POSIX O.S. =).
Lest we forget, Sony and other "Entertainment Industry" companies are
very pro DMCA and software patents as a means of "protecting" their
supposed "rights" with regards to copy protection and the like. It really
does look like the science fiction scenarios with large corporations
being the real world rulers, often fighting formal wars with each other,
is coming to pass. It ain't gonna be purty folks.
{^_^}
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Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
From: "Duncan Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Here's to democracy, EU-style :
> >>
> >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En
> >>
> >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council
> >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change
> >>the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item.
> >>
> >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in
> >>Europe.
> >>
> >>Kaj Haulrich.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That is completely ridiculous.
> >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of very mad
> >folks.
> >
> >I don't think they'll get away with it.
> >
> >
> Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at.
> They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this
> be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever!
>
> Bunch of Nazis!
That is an uncalled for aspersion, Duncan. However, I would remark that
Europe has centuries of tradition with autocratic governments. Their
tradition with a voter based government at any level, Republic or outright
Democracy, is rather thin on the ground. Autocracy is the natural form of
government in much of Europe. "Democracy" (starting out as something a bit
different called "Republic") is the basic tradition in the US. The US was
settled by hard working people who were fed up to here with the
European autocrats. So we never developed the autocratic tradition. (And
if you look at the behavior of our Senate, in particular, be afraid,
be very afraid. It may be that autocracy is the natural form of government
for homo-sapiens. Look to gorilla packs, bonobo packs, and chimpanzee
packs and ask what form of "governance" they have.) "Bunch of Monkeys"
might be the better aspersion to cast.
{^_^}
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Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 20:01 +0100, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Monday 07 March 2005 15:56, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > Stephen Kühn wrote: > > >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > >>Here's to democracy, EU-style : > > >> > > >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > > >> > > >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > > >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to > > >> change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a > > >> B-item. > > >> > > >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > >>Europe. > > >> > > >>Kaj Haulrich. > > > > > >That is completely ridiculous. > > >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of > > > very mad folks. > > > > > >I don't think they'll get away with it. > > > > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so > > good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so > > why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for > > ever! > > > > Bunch of Nazis! > > I have two books standing side to side : > Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf" and the "EU Constitutional Treaty" > Amazing how hard it is to tell the difference. I found one, > though : This time a mr. W.Gates KBE has replaced a certain > Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach. > > Kaj Haulrich. It's plain grotesque!!! I cannot understand how Mr. Gates manages to have his head up so many a**es. I'm glad that Denmark stood/stand on the right side in this matter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Isaac Hummel wrote: Duncan Anderson wrote: Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever! Bunch of Nazis! http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html Anyone wishing to continue the discussion can do so on the Off-Topic list. -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Thunderbird on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-24mdk ~~~ The sweeter the apple, the blacker the core -- Scratch a lover and find a foe! -- Dorothy Parker, "Ballad of a Great Weariness" ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Monday 07 March 2005 02:01 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Monday 07 March 2005 15:56, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > Stephen Kühn wrote: > > >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > >>Here's to democracy, EU-style : > > >> > > >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > > >> > > >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > > >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to > > >> change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a > > >> B-item. > > >> > > >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > >>Europe. > > >> > > >>Kaj Haulrich. > > > > > >That is completely ridiculous. > > >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of > > > very mad folks. > > > > > >I don't think they'll get away with it. > > > > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so > > good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so > > why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for > > ever! > > > > Bunch of Nazis! > > I have two books standing side to side : > Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf" and the "EU Constitutional Treaty" > Amazing how hard it is to tell the difference. I found one, > though : This time a mr. W.Gates KBE has replaced a certain > Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach. > > Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, do you believe in reincarnation? (scary thought, huh?) :-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Duncan Anderson wrote: Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever! Bunch of Nazis! http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Monday 07 March 2005 15:56, Duncan Anderson wrote: > Stephen Kühn wrote: > >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > >>Here's to democracy, EU-style : > >> > >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > >> > >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to > >> change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a > >> B-item. > >> > >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > >>Europe. > >> > >>Kaj Haulrich. > > > >That is completely ridiculous. > >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of > > very mad folks. > > > >I don't think they'll get away with it. > > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so > good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so > why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for > ever! > > Bunch of Nazis! I have two books standing side to side : Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf" and the "EU Constitutional Treaty" Amazing how hard it is to tell the difference. I found one, though : This time a mr. W.Gates KBE has replaced a certain Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 18:29, M.Schild wrote: > > Write to the right-wing papers, expressing your outrage about how Europe > > is taking over your country, about how Luxembourg is over-ruling the > > wishes of other governments, how can this happen, etc. > > > I have sent emails to a bunch of political parties...from both sides. I don´t > think one side is better than another > Maryse > You're right - they're all politicians.8-( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Hello Stephen, Monday, March 7, 2005, 4:46:22 AM, Stephen wrote: SK> On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:40, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> Well Stephen, the on-line communities here are glowing with rage >> already and the upcoming referendum on the EU Constitution faces >> even harder resistance. >> >> Kaj Haulrich. SK> I think a BIG STINK is about to hit the world - especially with good SK> ol'Microsoft becoming a larger beast than what was once thought. We can hope. SK> Bear in mind that once the media gets a hold of Microsoft swaying SK> government/courts again, it's going to be a media circus. Not likely. M$ has poured a LOT of money into media ads, and has essentially bought the media too. M$ ads sell the idea that M$ is a nice, warm, fuzzy company that everyone should love. A LOT of money went into the design of those 'brainwash' ads - and you see them everywhere. That's the real circus -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
> >I have sent emails to a bunch of political parties...from both sides. I > > don´t think one side is better than another > >Maryse > > > > but one side's position may not be the one you want to change here, the extreme right and the extreme left are for the NO. The socialists are split but officially in favour of Yes and so is the middle the greens and the right. maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
- Original Message - From: "Duncan Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council > Stephen Kühn wrote: > > >On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > > > >>Here's to democracy, EU-style : > >> > >>http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > >> > >>In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > >>members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change > >>the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item. > >> > >>So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > >>Europe. > >> > >>Kaj Haulrich. > >> > >> > > > >That is completely ridiculous. > >Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of very mad > >folks. > > > >I don't think they'll get away with it. > > > > > Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at. > They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this > be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever! > > Bunch of Nazis! > > Pardon me? Are you blamming Europe? Haha, wasn't U.$. who allowed Microsoft to become such a huge beast? Isn't the U.$. responsable for the "savage capitalism"? Didn't the U.S. destroyed all communism efforts in the world (and I'm not talking about the USSR-like governments and no, I'm no communist)? I think it is only that Europe is being infected with U.$. "savage capitalism", that's all. If we pretend to "free" Europe, we should be working first on "Free" the U.$. That's why it is very interesting finding non-profit people like GNU community ACTUALLY in the U.$. By the way, sooner or later, the entire Latin american market will be flood with Microsoft's policies if we don't act quickly. While L.A. countries are developing their economies, there is a huge oportunity for Unix to become The O.S. in these markets (because Unix can reduce costs for the enterprises and governments). This is our opportunity to "vaccinate" L.A. from U.$. "savage capitalism", and I really hope we all can do something (i.e. Mandrake in Brazil). I'm doing my part here in Mexico, by selling cheapest computers with Linux installed, offering cheapest Web Hosting in Linux servers and by writting cheap commercial programs and systems for Unix and POSIX O.S. =). Regards, Fernando Gomez. P.S. Save U.S.! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:46:22 +1100, Stephen wrote: > Bear in mind that once the media gets a hold of Microsoft > swaying government/courts again, it's going to be a media > circus. That's _if_ they can connect the dots. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
M.Schild wrote: Write to the right-wing papers, expressing your outrage about how Europe is taking over your country, about how Luxembourg is over-ruling the wishes of other governments, how can this happen, etc. I have sent emails to a bunch of political parties...from both sides. I don´t think one side is better than another Maryse but one side's position may not be the one you want to change --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
> Write to the right-wing papers, expressing your outrage about how Europe > is taking over your country, about how Luxembourg is over-ruling the > wishes of other governments, how can this happen, etc. I have sent emails to a bunch of political parties...from both sides. I don´t think one side is better than another Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 16:17, M.Schild wrote: > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > Europe. > > > Is there anything the good people can do? > Maryse > Write to the right-wing papers, expressing your outrage about how Europe is taking over your country, about how Luxembourg is over-ruling the wishes of other governments, how can this happen, etc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Here's to democracy, EU-style : http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item. So friends, that was it : forget about software development in Europe. Kaj Haulrich. That is completely ridiculous. Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of very mad folks. I don't think they'll get away with it. Huh, this is the kind of dictatorial fascism that Europe is so good at. They have proved it over and over again in the past, so why should this be any different? Greed rather than justice, for ever! Bunch of Nazis! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
> Maryse, it seems you live in France. If so, at the referendum, vote > "NON" to the Constitution. I live in France but I don´t vote here. That wouldn´t change anything about software development. Can´t we make a big Euro-stink? Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Monday 07 March 2005 15:17, M.Schild wrote: > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > Europe. > > Is there anything the good people can do? > Maryse Maryse, it seems you live in France. If so, at the referendum, vote "NON" to the Constitution. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
> So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > Europe. Is there anything the good people can do? Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:40, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Well Stephen, the on-line communities here are glowing with rage > already and the upcoming referendum on the EU Constitution faces > even harder resistance. > > Kaj Haulrich. I think a BIG STINK is about to hit the world - especially with good ol'Microsoft becoming a larger beast than what was once thought. Bear in mind that once the media gets a hold of Microsoft swaying government/courts again, it's going to be a media circus. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- While you don't greatly need the outside world, it's still very reassuring to know that it's still there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Monday 07 March 2005 13:20, Stephen Kühn wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Here's to democracy, EU-style : > > > > http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > > > > In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > > members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to > > change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a > > B-item. > > > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > > Europe. > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > That is completely ridiculous. > Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of > very mad folks. > > I don't think they'll get away with it. Well Stephen, the on-line communities here are glowing with rage already and the upcoming referendum on the EU Constitution faces even harder resistance. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 23:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Here's to democracy, EU-style : > > http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En > > In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council > members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change > the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item. > > So friends, that was it : forget about software development in > Europe. > > Kaj Haulrich. That is completely ridiculous. Hell is going to break loose and there are going to be heaps of very mad folks. I don't think they'll get away with it. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Lighten up, while you still can, Don't even try to understand, Just find a place to make your stand, And take it easy. -- The Eagles, "Take It Easy" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Microsoft overrules EU Council
Here's to democracy, EU-style : http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En In short : The Microsoft puppet-state Luxembourg denied council members from Poland, Portugal and Denmark their request to change the Directive on Software Patent from an A-item to a B-item. So friends, that was it : forget about software development in Europe. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
