Re: [newbie] RPM failures NOW: K. I. S.= S
Hi Sridhar & folks, On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:39, you manipulated electrons to produce: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:01, John Rigby wrote: > > Hi Sridhar & folks, > > > > Well put, Sidhar, but missing the key point: > > "Use" as distinct from "support." > > I would argue that GNU/Linux has _better_ support than does > Windows. There are far more fora for GNU/Linux such as this list > and web sites like MandrakeForum.com. With Windows, the main way to > get support is to pay for it (and you pay through the nose). In > GNU/Linux, you can either pay someone like MandrakeSoft or > LinuxCare for support or get free support as I have just mentioned. I meant at the "interface". What the user wants/needs is my old Menu.- or today's equivalent. The support capability of the *ux command line is phenomenally better than M$ product. But there is confusion out there in *directions* in Linuxland. It is extremely hard to write a training manual for someone totally alien. I went knutz doing it in places where the locals used to steal lightbulbs and nail them to rafters and wait for them to light up and the next day we had to teach them how to maintain Caterpillar Dozers ( the other Dozers!) The user of today - the target market has not changed: 1.He/she wants to get on the internet. ( Why comes later) 2. He wants to write a letter 3. She wants a *simple* accounts pack 4. He wants some games 5. Most of all he wants to send emails. He does not want to be told: "Oh you want a printer now do you?" "Oh you want a cable for it, now?" Remember, the vast mass of prospects out there do not even realise that you need a separate Printer. I spent years running a regional internet help group and was never dismayed when people would ring me up and say they "bought a computer and the guy came and plugged it in, but now tells me I need a printer and a modem and a phone line for it all!!" Some people think it works like a tv/phone - you just start it up and talk into it and see pictures. Most common complaint? "You mean I gotta learn to type, too?" ** Adam Osborne sent me a Hard Disk for all the help I gave them with my Menu. It was the talk of the town! Worth about $10,000 in todays dollars. > Osborne! Now there's a company that brings back memories! I almost > bought a machine from them back in 1994. After numerous delivery > delays, I cancelled my order and got my money back -- only about a > month before they went bust for good (and were later bought by > Gateway). I think the most innovative thing they came up with was > their portable computer -- AFAIK the first production portable > computer ever built. ** Actually the BIG thing was that it was the first machine to come with bundled Software. It could actually work straight out of the box! He went broke from honesty! He announced that the new model was going to come out in 3 months with an amazing number of extras. So... everyone cancelled their orders and waited. It was manufacturing problems and lack of marketing knowhow that did him in. But it was not understanding marketing that finished him off. >> Internet years) for momentum to build. Despite this, look at all > the progress we've made. in general) has taken great strides on > the desktop in recent years, and has continued to outpace its > closed-source competition. It is only a matter of time before it > becomes useable by all (if it isn't already). *** Oh, it is already!! The thing people keep missing is that Doze comes PRE-INSTALLED. It invariably used to come with Microsoft Works. All the hassles happened with the suckers that were selling the things! My aim is to help make it easier. My advice to Linux world is simple: Stop selling the software! Start selling INEXPENSIVE solutions that ACTUALLY WORK. Unless the box is sold directly with a standardised package running on it, Big Bill *will* win. BUT for the upgraders from Doze - and this is the main market for now - what is needed is a SIMPLE standardised Distro without millions of options. There should be ONE suite coming from Mandrake as an ENTRY LEVEL PAK 1 Browser 1. Office Suite 1. Set of known Utilities NO SERVER STUFF AT ALL. Easy! Easy for everyone concerned. John
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
Hi Sridhar, Thanks again for your help! But what I'm trying to do is avoid the command-line wherever possible and use the long-awaited friendly gui. Especially as I will have to teach it to a lot of utter computer novices in the not distant future. I personally already have enough troubles with the Unix-zone and I've been playing with PC's since before most of our readers were born! My first uni assignment was counting out an allocation of Punch Cards to run/debug a fortran compilation. ( We were only allowed a certain number of cards!!) > > It does show up as installed, it just doesn't start. > > It did not add itself to the Desktop Menu. > > This is normal. Only Mandrake apps will add themselves to the menu, > since Mandrake uses its own menu system. > > > I am attempting to start it from the Konq File Manager Directory. > > As I said before, go to a console and type "hpbuilder". You can > make an icon to do this if you want. > This isn't Windows (thank god!) -- things work differently here. > RPM packaging takes care of installing and uninstalling, so a user > doesn't normally have to look in the programme directories. The RPM > would've installed an executable somewhere in your PATH. All you > have to do is type the executable name from a command line -- in > this case "hpbuilder". > > I don't have a Lexmark printer, but I would say that you need to > configure your printer with CUPS afterwards. Try pointing your web > browser to http://localhost:631/ to configure your printer. > > > APPARENTLY RPM also will not install over an existing program. > > Worse, it won't tell you that it is not listing under > > "installable" because of this. It simply doesn't show up under > > Pack Mgr search. > > You need to 'upgrade' not 'install', if an older package exists. > > You shouldn't need to look for anything. You should just be able to > type the programme executable's name (often this is just the name > of the app) at a command line. Look at its documentation (often in > /usr/doc/appname, /usr/local/doc/appname or /usr/lib/doc/appname) > for details. > > > On this mornings bootup, I suffered the same problem again with > > SCREEM. I downloaded the fixes as advised, reinstalled SCREEM and > > it seemed to work ok, yesterday. > > This AM it froze on startup ( why it was starting up resident I > > do not know) and would not be killed - leaving the same white > > block in centre screen left over from its "splash" . To remove it > > I had to delete SCREEM again. > > You can kill (stronger than a normal close) the app. Load up xkill > and click on the app you want to kill. Or you can issue a "killall > " from the command line. > > > Cheers, > > > > John > > > > Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (it's only an Autoresponder) :-) -- Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
> I don't get what you're trying to do here. How are you searching? > If its installed, you should be able to type the relavant command > (IIRC, it's "hpbuilder") to load the app. * I suspect it has something to do with WINE and how it is all supposed to startup as well. I have not learned yet how to start it from docs available: vis: does one start WINE in some way first? It does show up as installed, it just doesn't start. It did not add itself to the Desktop Menu. I am attempting to start it from the Konq File Manager Directory. > > It did start life as TopPage, a WinDOS app. Winelib was used to > port it to GNU/Linux. It works quite well, so there's nothing to be > afraid of. ** IF I can ever get to it ! :-) > > > But where has IglooFTP gone, as well?? * I found it. It also did not add itself to the Menu. What I have learned from MANUAL searching painfully, dir by dir, is that some install packages install wherever they like - not in the origin dir and often in strange places. Some go to /root, some to odd sub-dirs. Igloo went to root/user/local/igloo. Example is trying to install Official Lexmark Printer Drivers: An odd message comes up under RPM saying "delete package under Console" It appears to have installed - but doesn't. My Printer still says "generic" APPARENTLY RPM also will not install over an existing program. Worse, it won't tell you that it is not listing under "installable" because of this. It simply doesn't show up under Pack Mgr search. Sometimes adding a new source works, sometimes it does not. This I learned by deduction and cross-checked with some amazement to be so. Thus, yet another problem in getting an install done, to look for. On this mornings bootup, I suffered the same problem again with SCREEM. I downloaded the fixes as advised, reinstalled SCREEM and it seemed to work ok, yesterday. This AM it froze on startup ( why it was starting up resident I do not know) and would not be killed - leaving the same white block in centre screen left over from its "splash" . To remove it I had to delete SCREEM again. Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
John Rigby wrote: > > Hi Sridah, > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:08, you manipulated electrons to produce: > > > > > > What do you mean by "the program is nowhere to be seen"? The RPM is > > installed, right? Try this from a command line: > > > > rpm -q packagename > > ** Yup - says same as the GUI Manager: is installed!!?? > BUT no search finds it, either in RPM or Dir or Desktop start. > > > > > Which particular IBM WebSphere app are you installing? "WebSphere" > > refers to a family of apps. If you are installing the HomePage > > Builder, you need IBM's own Wine package (as described on their web > > site). Also, you can't use this app if you have XFree 4.x (you need > > 3.x or lower). > Unfortunately, IBM chose not to display this clearly > > on their site, so I had to find out the hard way. To find out your > > version of X, type "X -version" at a command line. > > *** Xfree 3.3.6 as supplied with my "new" M8 Powerpak. > So, does this mean I should upgrade Xfree anyway? > As this means really that HPBuilder is really a Windoze program, I'm > no longer THAT keen!! > I thought it was the other way around. I understood it started life > as TopPage(?) and was bought by IBM and ported to Doze! > > But where has IglooFTP gone, as well?? > > > -- > Cheers? > > John > > Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (it's only an Autoresponder) :-) Try opening a console window. Type in: su and then your password. Type in: updatedb and press the [enter] key. Sit back, as this can take several minutes. In response to upgrading XFree, you do not have to upgrade all the time. Some cards work poorly with the higher version of XFree. In my case, I am sticking with 3.3.x Roman Registered Linux User #179293 "su is not the root of your problem but the start of a new journey"
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:42, John Rigby wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > No wonder so many people do give up on Linux! :-)
> > I have downloaded for the second time ( in case of error) the IBM
> > WEbsphere package and attempted to install it.
> >
> > All of the responses are fine all the way EXCEPT that the program is
> > nowhere to be seen. Yet if I try to install again I'm told it is
> > there. If I uninstall I can then re-install and go around the same
> > rosebush!
>
> What do you mean by "the program is nowhere to be seen"? The RPM is
> installed, right? Try this from a command line:
>
> rpm -q packagename
>
> Replace "packagename" with the name of the IBM package (without the
> ".x86.rpm" on the end). If it is installed, it should say so.
>
> Which particular IBM WebSphere app are you installing? "WebSphere" refers to
> a family of apps. If you are installing the HomePage Builder, you need IBM's
> own Wine package (as described on their web site). Also, you can't use this
> app if you have XFree 4.x (you need 3.x or lower). Unfortunately, IBM chose
> not to display this clearly on their site, so I had to find out the hard
> way. To find out your version of X, type "X -version" at a command line.
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
> LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
> -- Jeremy S. Anderson
John,
I have included the instructions including where you can find the wine
rpm for hpbuilder below:
IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder for Linux
Version 4.0 for Evaluation
Release Note
(README File)
Licensed Materials - Property of IBM (C) COPYRIGHT IBM Corp. 2000.
All rights reserved. US Government Users Restricted Rights - Use,
duplication or disclosure restricted.
Thank you for your interest in IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder for Linux.
The free trial period of WebArt Designer, Web Animator, and File
Transfer
program will expire 60 days after installation. The number of sample
files is
limited. The full version of this product contains many more
sample files,
multimedia tutorial, online user's guide, and the pdf version of
user's guide
for printing.
Note) IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder is formerly known as IBM
NetObjects
TopPage.
1. IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder for Linux
===
Version 4.00 2000/Jul
IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder is a Web page authoring and design
software
program suitable for both experts and beginners without any HTML
knowledge
or programming skills. It contains all the tools necessary for
creating a Web
page, including WebArt Designer which lets you create logos and
buttons, and a
Web Animator which lets you create animated GIF files in just a few
simple
steps.
2. Features
===
Easy
* Personalize your own logos and hot link buttons with a medley of
design
effects.
* Move effortlessly through each step, guided by an Interactive
tutorial.
* Type in text, drag and drop graphics, build frames, identify
links, and
more! It's easy!
* Select over 200 graphics, images and sounds from the huge built-in
library.
* Cut and paste documents, spreadsheets, tables and text into your
designs.
Instant
* Create lifelike animations from still pictures and graphics.
* Design your site with over 40 built-in templates, or start creating
it from
scratch!
* Personalize your site with pictures from digital cameras ,
scanners,
or images in .bmp or .tiff format.
* Electrify each page with the latest Web technology -
Cascading Style
Sheets, Java applets, and Dynamic HTML.
* Enhance the impact of your site with exciting special
effects and
multimedia features.
Advanced
* Preview each page on the Web - while you build your site.
* Automatically check for spelling errors and broken links.
* Upload your Web pages to the Internet with easy, interactive file
transfers.
* Keep in touch with your viewers through on-line forms and
questionnaires.
* Update your site and add new pages as often as you like.
3. Minimum System Requirements
==
The machine on which you install Homepage Builder must meet the
following
system requirements:
Hardware
* Pentium (166 MHz or more recommended)
* Memory: 64 megabytes or more is recommended
* Disk space: Required disk space will vary depending on the package
to be
installed.
Package name Package sizeRequired disk space
--
-
hpbuilder-4.0-1 30 MB 64 MB
hpbuilder-
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
John Rigby wrote: > > Hi folks, > No wonder so many people do give up on Linux! :-) > I have downloaded for the second time ( in case of error) the IBM > WEbsphere package and attempted to install it. > > All of the responses are fine all the way EXCEPT that the program is > nowhere to be seen. Yet if I try to install again I'm told it is > there. If I uninstall I can then re-install and go around the same > rosebush! > > It has also happened with IglooFTP just now, so it isn't a faulty IBM > D/load. > > And this is the easy stuff! > I haven't started on the fact that my soundcard is recognised and no > sound at all. > My printer was bought especially for Linux compatability and it half > works ( Lexmark Z32) > > I have RT$%#$%%M and tried MANY times to solve these things > myself > I have noted many errors in the destructions which I am notarising to > forward when I finally get through it all, especially the problems > with bug-fixes that Newbies certainly would not be expecting to > require before the install would work! > > With all of this in mind, I would like to ask the other REAL Newbies > ( non-commandliners) on the list to send me the "gotchas" that caught > them when starting out and I will put them into a report for Mandrake > to help others along the way. > > It can be done! We can escape that other one! AND take others with > us! :-) > > Meanbwhile, any help on the above greatly appreciated - I opened my > expanded mouth and said " No worries - I'll just switch over to Linux > (Mandrake - the easy one!) over the weekend and get the new Site up > in a flash... " > > -- > Cheers, > > John > > Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (it's only an Autoresponder) :-) Hello John, WebShpere gets installed in /opt folder. Ensure that you install WebSphere as root from the console window. My copy is working very well. After installing it, open a console and type in: hpbuilder -e Press the [enter] key. Give it a few moments start up. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 "su is not the root of your problem but the start of a new journey"
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
John Rigby wrote: > But where has IglooFTP gone, as well?? JohnIglooFTP-PRO installs in the /usr/local directory. It's executable resides in /usr/local/IglooFTP-PRO/bin, but there's also a simlink in the /usr/local/bin (which is in your path) directory called IglooFTP-PRO, so all you need to do to execute it is to type: IglooFTP-PRO at a console window command line or at the minicli (alt-f2 brings up the minicli which is analogous to the run option in windows). I'll bet you didn't know what the executable (and its simlink) was called. Remember to pay attention to the uppercase and lowercase part of the spelling. :) -- Alan
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
Hi Sridah, On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:08, you manipulated electrons to produce: > > > What do you mean by "the program is nowhere to be seen"? The RPM is > installed, right? Try this from a command line: > > rpm -q packagename ** Yup - says same as the GUI Manager: is installed!!?? BUT no search finds it, either in RPM or Dir or Desktop start. > > Which particular IBM WebSphere app are you installing? "WebSphere" > refers to a family of apps. If you are installing the HomePage > Builder, you need IBM's own Wine package (as described on their web > site). Also, you can't use this app if you have XFree 4.x (you need > 3.x or lower). Unfortunately, IBM chose not to display this clearly > on their site, so I had to find out the hard way. To find out your > version of X, type "X -version" at a command line. *** Xfree 3.3.6 as supplied with my "new" M8 Powerpak. So, does this mean I should upgrade Xfree anyway? As this means really that HPBuilder is really a Windoze program, I'm no longer THAT keen!! I thought it was the other way around. I understood it started life as TopPage(?) and was bought by IBM and ported to Doze! But where has IglooFTP gone, as well?? -- Cheers? John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] RPM failures
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:42, John Rigby wrote: > Hi folks, > No wonder so many people do give up on Linux! :-) > I have downloaded for the second time ( in case of error) the IBM > WEbsphere package and attempted to install it. > > All of the responses are fine all the way EXCEPT that the program is > nowhere to be seen. Yet if I try to install again I'm told it is > there. If I uninstall I can then re-install and go around the same > rosebush! What do you mean by "the program is nowhere to be seen"? The RPM is installed, right? Try this from a command line: rpm -q packagename Replace "packagename" with the name of the IBM package (without the ".x86.rpm" on the end). If it is installed, it should say so. Which particular IBM WebSphere app are you installing? "WebSphere" refers to a family of apps. If you are installing the HomePage Builder, you need IBM's own Wine package (as described on their web site). Also, you can't use this app if you have XFree 4.x (you need 3.x or lower). Unfortunately, IBM chose not to display this clearly on their site, so I had to find out the hard way. To find out your version of X, type "X -version" at a command line. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
[newbie] RPM failures
Hi folks, No wonder so many people do give up on Linux! :-) I have downloaded for the second time ( in case of error) the IBM WEbsphere package and attempted to install it. All of the responses are fine all the way EXCEPT that the program is nowhere to be seen. Yet if I try to install again I'm told it is there. If I uninstall I can then re-install and go around the same rosebush! It has also happened with IglooFTP just now, so it isn't a faulty IBM D/load. And this is the easy stuff! I haven't started on the fact that my soundcard is recognised and no sound at all. My printer was bought especially for Linux compatability and it half works ( Lexmark Z32) I have RT$%#$%%M and tried MANY times to solve these things myself I have noted many errors in the destructions which I am notarising to forward when I finally get through it all, especially the problems with bug-fixes that Newbies certainly would not be expecting to require before the install would work! With all of this in mind, I would like to ask the other REAL Newbies ( non-commandliners) on the list to send me the "gotchas" that caught them when starting out and I will put them into a report for Mandrake to help others along the way. It can be done! We can escape that other one! AND take others with us! :-) Meanbwhile, any help on the above greatly appreciated - I opened my expanded mouth and said " No worries - I'll just switch over to Linux (Mandrake - the easy one!) over the weekend and get the new Site up in a flash... " -- Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
