Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
In Mandrake 7.1 there are i think all of the how-to from the linux-doc site. In there is one from the kernel, It is very good, read it. All things in Linux need prepeation. If you don't you mess it all up. (even though that it fun) Also go to www.linuxnewbie.org <- very good. Mark Hillary. "Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root" wrote: > Mark Hillary wrote: > > > > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it > > easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that > > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster > > system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on > > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save > > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) > > Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many > headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to > 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the > "loading" bit. > > Regards, > Ozz.
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Very cool. I followed his simple instructions about using Openssh and now I'm using it. Wow. Phil On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Tom Brinkman wrote: >On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: >> I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is >no >> www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource >so >> frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't >have >> to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) >> >> I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. > > I have been for some time. I was fortunate to find out about it >as soon as it started up not that long ago (another good reason to >lurk on the cooker list ;) BTW it is the efforts of just one man > > "MandrakeUser.Org is me, Tom Berger. I live in Berlin, the >capital of Germany. I'm (almost) 31 years old and work as a >freelancer. I've studied Philosophy, History and Ancient >Philology and have been working as a male nurse for five years. I >write the MUO pages, maintain them, coordinate and merge >contributions and translations, and answer piles of mails. > My only steady co-worker is my wife: she proofreads almost >everything before it goes online (Don't . > > for the rest of it, read the "About MUO" link towards the bottom >of the page. Email Tom and tell him how invaluble this site is. > > IT IS. > > and thanks Patti, it use to be www.man dropping the 'www' >must be very recent, 'cause my old bookmark didn't work anymore ;) >
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: > I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is no > www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource >so > frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't have > to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) > > I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. I have been for some time. I was fortunate to find out about it as soon as it started up not that long ago (another good reason to lurk on the cooker list ;) BTW it is the efforts of just one man "MandrakeUser.Org is me, Tom Berger. I live in Berlin, the capital of Germany. I'm (almost) 31 years old and work as a freelancer. I've studied Philosophy, History and Ancient Philology and have been working as a male nurse for five years. I write the MUO pages, maintain them, coordinate and merge contributions and translations, and answer piles of mails. My only steady co-worker is my wife: she proofreads almost everything before it goes online (Don't . for the rest of it, read the "About MUO" link towards the bottom of the page. Email Tom and tell him how invaluble this site is. IT IS. and thanks Patti, it use to be www.man dropping the 'www' must be very recent, 'cause my old bookmark didn't work anymore ;) -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Patti > Registered Linux user #184611 > > Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > Mark Hillary wrote: > > > > > > > > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it > > > > easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that > > > > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster > > > > system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned >on > > > > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save > > > > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) > > > > > > Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many > > > headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to > > > 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the > > > "loading" bit. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ozz. > > > > Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier > > things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any > > problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they > > first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) > > and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is > > available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to > > keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to > > follow it's instructions. > > > >"-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings > > that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a > > 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, > > about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if > > you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't > > supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is > > included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it > > will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, > > and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. > > > > -- > > ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is no www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource so frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't have to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. Patti Registered Linux user #184611 Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Mark Hillary wrote: > > > > > > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it > > > easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that > > > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster > > > system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on > > > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save > > > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) > > > > Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many > > headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to > > 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the > > "loading" bit. > > > > Regards, > > Ozz. > > Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier > things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any > problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they > first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) > and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is > available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to > keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to > follow it's instructions. > >"-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings > that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a > 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, > about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if > you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't > supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is > included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it > will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, > and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. > > -- > ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
thanks Tom. You answered my questions before I sent them. I've pretty much ruined my recent install by mucking about trying to get X 4.01 installed and working. I suspect I need to re-install so I'm going to "practice" updating the kernel before I do that just for shits and giggles. Dacia --- Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Mark Hillary wrote: > > > > > > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as > everyone makes out. (I find it > > > easyier that installing programs). There are > several resons to. The kernel that > > > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned > on, so you can have a faster > > > system by compling only what you need to. Also > because every thing is turned on > > > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to > get a faster machine and save > > > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer > versions) > > > > Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is > the cause of many > > headaches to me. The last few times I've tried > upgrading from 2.2.14 to > > 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death > straight after the > > "loading" bit. > > > > Regards, > > Ozz. > > Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of > the easier > things involved with Mdk administration. It > shouldn't be any > problem at all for any user, even the newest of > newbies if they > first take a few minutes to visit with MOU > (www.mandrakeuser.org) > and read the section on changing kernels. The whole > site is > available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) > so it's easy to > keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're > actually tryin to > follow it's instructions. > >"-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the > many warnings > that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a > successful swap to a > 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to > 2.2.xx kernels, > about the only reason to change the default Mandrake > config is if > you have special, difficult, or newest of new > hardware that isn't > supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock > Mandrake' kernel is > included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so > eliminating it > will not make your system faster in all but the > rarest of cases, > and then usually old or substandard hardware would > be the reason. > > -- > ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
The biggest reason I haven't done it yet is because I can't seem to find a really good walk through for doing it. I'm adventurous but I don't want to go there without a little backup. Do you know where I could find a good walk through? Hey, Mandrake peoples, hows about a neato kernel walkthrough on the old web site? This would be lovingly used by many of us. Dacia --- Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as > everyone makes out. (I find it > easyier that installing programs). There are several > resons to. The kernel that > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, > so you can have a faster > system by compling only what you need to. Also > because every thing is turned on > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a > faster machine and save > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer > versions) > > Mark Hillary > > Paul wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, patrick darcy wrote: > > > > >it is not recommended u update the kernal thru > mandrake updates. the idea > > >of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding > to me. im just gonna > > >wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse > has a new version ofl > > >linux out .. > > > > I agree, I am going to sit it out here nice and > quiet, having my linux > > machines run along nicely. Things are all up and > humming, I am happy with > > it. As soon as a new release comes out, I will get > the CD;s and upgrade that > > way. > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Babies are nature's way > > to make people meet the world. > > At 2am. > > > > )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( > > http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 > > Registered Linux User 174403 > > -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=- > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Mark Hillary wrote: > > > > Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it > > easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that > > comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster > > system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on > > all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save > > space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) > > Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many > headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to > 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the > "loading" bit. > > Regards, > Ozz. Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to follow it's instructions. "-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Ian McLeod wrote: > > First, I would suggest that you download the RPM file rather than use the > updater (I read this in the update program or somewhere, can't remember) Auto-Updating the kernel is highly discouraged by Mandrake, and I wish I would have read that before I toasted a bunch of stuff doing it.;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
> Victor Richardson wrote: > > > Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the > > Mandrake Updater? > > > > Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a > > commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". > > Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with > > disastrous results. I had to re-install. > > > > Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the > > version number) > > > > Any suggestions welcome, > > > > Victor > > it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea > of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna > wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl > linux out .. Yes, I'm in the process of downloading the 6th cd needed for the professional install right now. Unless you've tried SuSE before however, you might be in for a little shock; it's not the same Mandrake / Red Hat type distribution at all! There is no 'linuxconf' or 'drakconf', all the system stuff is handled through a program called YaST (yet another system tool) and after using the Mandrake / Red Hat family of products, I found it to be a royal pain in the butt! Just a little advise... Mike >
Re[2]: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Hello patrick, Friday, August 04, 2000, 01:59:55 zulu, you wrote: pd> it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea pd> of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna pd> wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl pd> linux out .. i had no problems with the update on a "regular" mandake 7.1 installation. i would not recoommend it only, if you are running reiserfs or/and high security installation. -- Best regards, Yuri http://linukh.freeservers.com
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, patrick darcy wrote: >it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea >of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna >wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl >linux out .. I agree, I am going to sit it out here nice and quiet, having my linux machines run along nicely. Things are all up and humming, I am happy with it. As soon as a new release comes out, I will get the CD;s and upgrade that way. Paul -- Babies are nature's way to make people meet the world. At 2am. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
First, I would suggest that you download the RPM file rather than use the updater (I read this in the update program or somewhere, can't remember) Then install the kernel with RPM or Kpackage, so on. Then, enter 'root' and edit your /etc/lilo.conf file, which is where you found the new entries. Ensure the new 'label' for the new kernel is not too long (or you will get an error as I did), check the 'default' line to point to the new kernel, exit and run 'lilo' and reboot, that's it! Just make sure you leave your old kernel as an option always, just in case something goes wrong. Regards, Ian McLeod Victor Richardson wrote: > Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the > Mandrake Updater? > > Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a > commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". > Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with > disastrous results. I had to re-install. > > Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the > version number) > > Any suggestions welcome, > > Victor
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Victor Richardson wrote: > Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the > Mandrake Updater? > > Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a > commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". > Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with > disastrous results. I had to re-install. > > Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the > version number) > > Any suggestions welcome, > > Victor it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl linux out ..
[newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the Mandrake Updater? Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with disastrous results. I had to re-install. Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the version number) Any suggestions welcome, Victor
