Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Monday January 20 2003 02:37 pm, et wrote: > On Monday 20 January 2003 03:01 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Tom Brinkman wrote: It shouldn't make a > > > differnence, but Civileme use to always recommend that a small > > > ext3 /boot partition be used. Then any and all other partitions > > > (/, /home, and so on) can be either XFS or ReiserFS. IME, this > > > does seem to provide the best results. I've found ReiserFS to > > > be faster than XFS on a desktop system. > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I don't recall the reasoning behind that. why was it that the > > /boot partition should be ext3 and the rest being foratted as > > ReiserFS? > > as I recall it had to do with early Reiser and if it was compiled > in instead of being a module added to the kernel at startup, if the > reiserFS was a module and hosed the boot would not compete, but if > the kernel had reiser complied in it was no problem, and this was > reiser like in MDK 7.2 or 8.0 I dunno, ask Civileme. But, ever since he recommended it, and I've done it ... no gremlins. BTW, I've never needed to compile RFS into the kernel. I've always used it as a module. RFS and some other FS's only fail if you init.rd image is hosed. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Wednesday January 15 2003 05:59 pm, Charlie wrote: > > On January 15, 2003 03:52 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 12:37, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > > > I have seen some posting regarding file system support on > > > > upcoming 9.1. > > > > > > > > What is the best file system for the root partition? Ext2, > > > > Ext3, ReinserFS, XFS? > > > > > > > > Adolfo > > > > > > EXT3 for the root, then you can use whatever you like after that > > > - ReiserFS is quite alright, but for large scale file systems, > > > XFS seems to be the better handler. > > > > "Keerect" except XFS isn't a usable file system for 9.1beta1. No > > XFS modules at all. I'm not certain about ReiserFS, but ext3 is > > there, however crappy it runs on my machine. That's why I was using > > XFS since 8.2 beta; it worked. > > > > It's a beta so I suppose the best method is trial and error to find > > what works adequately as I did before I settled on XFS. Besides; I > > have three (used under Mandrake) partitions that are roughly 30 GB > > each and XFS worked the smoothest for this hardware. > > > > Personally I'll be waiting for beta2. > > > > Or at least another kernel. > > > > Regards; > > I suspect XFS kernel support is iminent. I vaguely recall that > it's out for now because of a conflict with somethin else in the > current kernel, tho I can't remember what that is. > > I've used ReiserFS and tried XFS several times for quite some time > now (7.x). I've always gone back to ReiserFS, but I believe either is > the preferable file system. Civileme had the same opinion. One > caveat with either tho. It shouldn't make a differnence, but Civileme > use to always recommend that a small ext3 /boot partition be used. > Then any and all other partitions (/, /home, and so on) can be either > XFS or ReiserFS. IME, this does seem to provide the best results. > I've found ReiserFS to be faster than XFS on a desktop system. Hi Tom, I don't recall the reasoning behind that. why was it that the /boot partition should be ext3 and the rest being foratted as ReiserFS? -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 "Stupidity has no moral high ground...it can't see that high!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 17, 2003 11:26 am, civileme wrote: snipped with an axeagain> > > Actually, Charlie, the bootloader install is only semi-functional on > 9.1Beta1. In particular, any adjustments you make to it will be ignored, > both during install and if you use control center-->Boot Config > post-install You cannot even change the boot names. > > Civileme Thanks for that Civileme. It's good to know. Manual editing? OK, maybe I should quit griping and do the full cooker thing and skip the beta altogether. Another "shiny frisbee" for my nieces' kids to fling at my head. Now if I can just remember how to set up a cooker directory (disk space and bandwidth ain't a real problem [g]) and keep it synced I know I saved a copy of the instructions somewhere around here Maybe sometimes disk space _is_ a problem. As in too damned much of it. ;-) Thanks for bein' around again. I'm always appreciative of having another "Guru" available to help rescue me from my (frequent) brainf@rts. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org "I am convinced that the manufacturers of carpet odor removing powder have included encapsulated time released cat urine in their products. This technology must be what prevented its distribution during my mom's reign. My carpet smells like piss, and I don't have a cat. Better go buy some more." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], in alt.conspiracy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Friday 17 January 2003 06:31 am, Charlie wrote: > On January 16, 2003 08:28 pm, Miark wrote: > > Charlie, > > > > The installation does complain that using XFS on / may be a bad idea > > because the bootdisk image may be too big. Nevertheless, I've been using > > XFS for a long time, on all partitions, and I have not once had a problem > > making a boot disk. I remember a few others on this list reporting the > > same thing. > > > > Miark > > > > Howdy Miark; > > The complaining from the installer and mkbootdisk about the file system > being too large to fit on a floppy was the least of my worries. > > I can't remember how long ago I started using the partition scheme that > I've been using but I think it was during beta testing for 8.1. It never > bothered me and didn't seem to bother whatever release I was playing with > until 9.1beta1. > > The nightmare started when I tried to install 9.1beta1 on the first half of > hdb without a boot loader until I could adjust LILO in the 9.0 install. But > I couldn't skip the boot loader install, LILO was written into the wrong > place (hda instead of hdb) no matter what I tried to make it do, and I > couldn't make a boot-disk during install or from a console after first > boot. I was also reminded that there was no XFS support by reading the > error messages scrolling by on boot, which stopped with a kernel panic. Had > to reinstall with a new /home on the same drive since the old one is XFS. I > didn't seem to be able to boot from the 9.0 boot-disk and edit either for > some reason. Wasn't an fstab problem in 9.0. I checked. > > After the startx command looped a few times I finally got to the GUI > desktop (with no sound) I couldn't figure why the machine's responses were > so slow. No unnecessary services enabled, no processes requested out of the > ordinary, but the CPU cycles were maxed, the memory was "over-cached" > (opinion) and the swap was as well. Configured K-Mail and had a hell of a > time scrolling messages with mouse (buttons or wheel) or keyboard. Default > console fonts outrageously oversized. Lots of "glitches" in other > words. > > I've decided to reformat hda and the back half of hdb (any partition/disk > Mandrake plays on) and switch the relevant partitions from XFS to Reiser > FS, reinstall 9.0 on hda and try the beta on hdb again. If that still > causes me grief I'll just cooker hdb's install and work from there. I > really want to beta test this thing. > > I'm sure it's almost time for a new machine too. Since my old crate's > motherboard is starting to lose memory slots and other random "woopsies" > have started to show up. > > Everyone I know now has a more powerful box than mine. Even my kid's > machine makes mine look Jurassic. :-) > > It's time for this one to become a test box/file server/storage unit. > > Regards; Actually, Charlie, the bootloader install is only semi-functional on 9.1Beta1. In particular, any adjustments you make to it will be ignored, both during install and if you use control center-->Boot Config post-install You cannot even change the boot names. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
Charlie, The installation does complain that using XFS on / may be a bad idea because the bootdisk image may be too big. Nevertheless, I've been using XFS for a long time, on all partitions, and I have not once had a problem making a boot disk. I remember a few others on this list reporting the same thing. Miark On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:06:05 -0700 Charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I'll be playing the Reiser FS game then since it was close to the > performance on this machine that XFS produced. The only reason I developed > the habit of using ext3 for / was that it basically _was_ ext2 with a journal > tagged on and things like mkbootdisk didn't complain. It just had a few > glitches that XFS didn't, but that was an older version. Less repartitioning > and more consistency won't upset me at all. Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 16, 2003 12:00 pm, et wrote: > as i recall the problem had to do with reiser being a module and not > compiled into the kernel, I think you're right Ed. It seems somehow familiar. Thanks. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Please take note: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 16, 2003 12:38 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: not quite random responses interspersed > > I'm positive you're right Tom but I can't for the life of me > > remember what the conflict was. oops! > > I've had a brain disease for goin on 14 years (MS), what's your > excuse ? ;p Three depressed skull fractures (67% of brain damaged) in 1993. Short term memory trouble since then, along with a few other minor deficits. <\g> Pardon me? Did you ask me something? Did I answer? ;-) > > > The partition table for my system hda has an ext2 /boot (250 MB) > > that hasn't been touched for over a year other than what new > > installs have put there. / is ext3 and everything else XFS. On this > > machine XFS was the fastest and seemed to work the best. > > I've for quite a while used either XFS or Reiser for /, and most > all other partitions. OK, I'll be playing the Reiser FS game then since it was close to the performance on this machine that XFS produced. The only reason I developed the habit of using ext3 for / was that it basically _was_ ext2 with a journal tagged on and things like mkbootdisk didn't complain. It just had a few glitches that XFS didn't, but that was an older version. Less repartitioning and more consistency won't upset me at all. Thanks. > > I'll be changing the two disks Mandrake has lived on so I can > > install betas whether Juan gets XFS going again or not. The last > > time I tried Reiser FS I had trouble with this old bucket. I think > > that was when 7.2 Freq was the 'latest and greatest' though. There > > have been improvements I'm certain. > > Foggy again but I believe a 2.4.21pre3 is close, an I think XFS > support is back in. FWIW tho (IMO), Reiser has always enjoyed better > kernel support than XFS. Not a Mandrake deal, a Linus and the > kernel.org crew deal. Understood. Thanks again Tom. > > > Questions: I've been considering making hdb all ext3 so I won't > > have to touch it again for a while. > > Or should it be Reiser? > >My vote, NOT ext3. I've got a few ext3 stragglers (I re-partition a > lot). MOF there was just a 1 hour power outage, the UPS saved me, but > when I have had to do a hard reset, ext3 is not much better than ext2 > for recovering. It's just ext2 with a fake journal sort'a deal tagged > on. Agreement in totality here. Ext3 is so ass dragging slow and painful that it may as well *be* ext2. The only reason the first partition on hdb is ext3 at present is the hangover from beta1 and trying to force some compatibility between 9.0 and 9.1beta1. It didn't work. I'll start clean, either with the beta (I understand there will be a beta2 shortly) or straight to cooker. Glad your UPS kept you from harm. > > > To this point that drive has been a sort of "holding tank" for > > images, downloads, music, miscellaneous what evers. I made the > > first half of it (after I cleared it) ext3 when I was first fooling > > with beta1. It's a 60 GB Maxtor. Four duplicates in fact but > > Mandrake only gets to play with the first two. Would you recommend > > making it all ext3, or all Reiser? Either is acceptable since it > > doesn't take much longer to do the back half than to do it all. > >As above, I'd go all Reiser (except for a small /boot). The ext3 > parts I'm still stuck with (also on large Maxtors) are mostly storage > parts for mp3's, movies, etc. The only reason they're still ext3 is > I'd rather not have to copy those files back from (40) CD bakups. > Since they're fairly static, recovery from a hard reset isn't a big > deal. I wouldn't want to reload all that stuff either. That's why I mentioned moving stuff around since I don't want to spend a day feeding CDs to this pig. A PIII 500 MHz on an old BX-6 Rev2 board isn't exactly a speed demon. Sounds as though the /boot is the only part of my first two disks that won't get reformatted. Understood. > > > Since I'll have to do a lot of swapping of directories and files > > before I touch another install; and I'll have to do a complete > > back-up of /home in order to change it from XFS to Reiser or ext3 > > I'd like advice on what would be the safest bet for the file system > > to use please. I can use part of the other two disks to do the > > "back-up" of the Mandrake two but I don't want to start until I'm > > sure I won't have to do it again in a week or ten days when the > > next beta comes along. > > Again ReiserFS. BTW, tho I've started usin a separate /home, I > still regularly (at least weekly) back up /home to another drive. As do I but I never mount that back-up. The only back-up I have to do when I jump in and do the deed will be whatever is in mail. Everything else was done on Saturday anyway. > > > Or should I do the b-ups, format those two disks, and install the > > latest cooker for testing? Either way I'll lose the install of 9.0 > > I have so it matters not to me. I'd just like to use a file system > > that I can stay with. > > IMO, two choices, eit
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Thursday January 16 2003 12:03 pm, Charlie wrote: > On January 16, 2003 08:44 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > I suspect XFS kernel support is iminent. I vaguely recall > > that it's out for now because of a conflict with somethin else in > > the current kernel, tho I can't remember what that is. > > > > I've used ReiserFS and tried XFS several times for quite some > > time now (7.x). I've always gone back to ReiserFS, but I believe > > either is the preferable file system. Civileme had the same > > opinion. One caveat with either tho. It shouldn't make a > > differnence, but Civileme use to always recommend that a small > > ext3 /boot partition be used. Then any and all other partitions > > (/, /home, and so on) can be either XFS or ReiserFS. IME, this > > does seem to provide the best results. I've found ReiserFS to be > > faster than XFS on a desktop system. > > I'm positive you're right Tom but I can't for the life of me > remember what the conflict was. oops! I've had a brain disease for goin on 14 years (MS), what's your excuse ? ;p > The partition table for my system hda has an ext2 /boot (250 MB) > that hasn't been touched for over a year other than what new > installs have put there. / is ext3 and everything else XFS. On this > machine XFS was the fastest and seemed to work the best. I've for quite a while used either XFS or Reiser for /, and most all other partitions. > I'll be changing the two disks Mandrake has lived on so I can > install betas whether Juan gets XFS going again or not. The last > time I tried Reiser FS I had trouble with this old bucket. I think > that was when 7.2 Freq was the 'latest and greatest' though. There > have been improvements I'm certain. Foggy again but I believe a 2.4.21pre3 is close, an I think XFS support is back in. FWIW tho (IMO), Reiser has always enjoyed better kernel support than XFS. Not a Mandrake deal, a Linus and the kernel.org crew deal. > Questions: I've been considering making hdb all ext3 so I won't > have to touch it again for a while. > Or should it be Reiser? My vote, NOT ext3. I've got a few ext3 stragglers (I re-partition a lot). MOF there was just a 1 hour power outage, the UPS saved me, but when I have had to do a hard reset, ext3 is not much better than ext2 for recovering. It's just ext2 with a fake journal sort'a deal tagged on. > To this point that drive has been a sort of "holding tank" for > images, downloads, music, miscellaneous what evers. I made the > first half of it (after I cleared it) ext3 when I was first fooling > with beta1. It's a 60 GB Maxtor. Four duplicates in fact but > Mandrake only gets to play with the first two. Would you recommend > making it all ext3, or all Reiser? Either is acceptable since it > doesn't take much longer to do the back half than to do it all. As above, I'd go all Reiser (except for a small /boot). The ext3 parts I'm still stuck with (also on large Maxtors) are mostly storage parts for mp3's, movies, etc. The only reason they're still ext3 is I'd rather not have to copy those files back from (40) CD bakups. Since they're fairly static, recovery from a hard reset isn't a big deal. > Since I'll have to do a lot of swapping of directories and files > before I touch another install; and I'll have to do a complete > back-up of /home in order to change it from XFS to Reiser or ext3 > I'd like advice on what would be the safest bet for the file system > to use please. I can use part of the other two disks to do the > "back-up" of the Mandrake two but I don't want to start until I'm > sure I won't have to do it again in a week or ten days when the > next beta comes along. Again ReiserFS. BTW, tho I've started usin a separate /home, I still regularly (at least weekly) back up /home to another drive. > Or should I do the b-ups, format those two disks, and install the > latest cooker for testing? Either way I'll lose the install of 9.0 > I have so it matters not to me. I'd just like to use a file system > that I can stay with. IMO, two choices, either Reiser or XFS. For a work station (desktop), I've found Reiser to be the better choice. I've read, as Stephen suggested, that XFS is better for large file servers. I don't think it enjoys as much support as Reiser does from the kernel.org people tho. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
as i recall the problem had to do with reiser being a module and not compiled into the kernel, On Thursday 16 January 2003 01:03 pm, Charlie wrote: > On January 16, 2003 08:44 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > I suspect XFS kernel support is iminent. I vaguely recall that > > it's out for now because of a conflict with somethin else in the > > current kernel, tho I can't remember what that is. > > > > I've used ReiserFS and tried XFS several times for quite some time > > now (7.x). I've always gone back to ReiserFS, but I believe either is > > the preferable file system. Civileme had the same opinion. One > > caveat with either tho. It shouldn't make a differnence, but Civileme > > use to always recommend that a small ext3 /boot partition be used. > > Then any and all other partitions (/, /home, and so on) can be either > > XFS or ReiserFS. IME, this does seem to provide the best results. > > I've found ReiserFS to be faster than XFS on a desktop system. > > I'm positive you're right Tom but I can't for the life of me remember what > the conflict was. oops! > > The partition table for my system hda has an ext2 /boot (250 MB) that > hasn't been touched for over a year other than what new installs have put > there. / is ext3 and everything else XFS. On this machine XFS was the > fastest and seemed to work the best. > > I'll be changing the two disks Mandrake has lived on so I can install betas > whether Juan gets XFS going again or not. The last time I tried Reiser FS I > had trouble with this old bucket. I think that was when 7.2 Freq was the > 'latest and greatest' though. There have been improvements I'm certain. > > Questions: I've been considering making hdb all ext3 so I won't have to > touch it again for a while. > Or should it be Reiser? > To this point that drive has been a sort of "holding tank" for images, > downloads, music, miscellaneous what evers. I made the first half of it > (after I cleared it) ext3 when I was first fooling with beta1. It's a 60 GB > Maxtor. Four duplicates in fact but Mandrake only gets to play with the > first two. Would you recommend making it all ext3, or all Reiser? > Either is acceptable since it doesn't take much longer to do the back half > than to do it all. > > Since I'll have to do a lot of swapping of directories and files before I > touch another install; and I'll have to do a complete back-up of /home in > order to change it from XFS to Reiser or ext3 I'd like advice on what would > be the safest bet for the file system to use please. I can use part of the > other two disks to do the "back-up" of the Mandrake two but I don't want to > start until I'm sure I won't have to do it again in a week or ten days when > the next beta comes along. > > Or should I do the b-ups, format those two disks, and install the latest > cooker for testing? Either way I'll lose the install of 9.0 I have so it > matters not to me. I'd just like to use a file system that I can stay with. > > Thanks. > > Regards; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 16, 2003 08:44 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > I suspect XFS kernel support is iminent. I vaguely recall that > it's out for now because of a conflict with somethin else in the > current kernel, tho I can't remember what that is. > > I've used ReiserFS and tried XFS several times for quite some time > now (7.x). I've always gone back to ReiserFS, but I believe either is > the preferable file system. Civileme had the same opinion. One > caveat with either tho. It shouldn't make a differnence, but Civileme > use to always recommend that a small ext3 /boot partition be used. > Then any and all other partitions (/, /home, and so on) can be either > XFS or ReiserFS. IME, this does seem to provide the best results. > I've found ReiserFS to be faster than XFS on a desktop system. I'm positive you're right Tom but I can't for the life of me remember what the conflict was. oops! The partition table for my system hda has an ext2 /boot (250 MB) that hasn't been touched for over a year other than what new installs have put there. / is ext3 and everything else XFS. On this machine XFS was the fastest and seemed to work the best. I'll be changing the two disks Mandrake has lived on so I can install betas whether Juan gets XFS going again or not. The last time I tried Reiser FS I had trouble with this old bucket. I think that was when 7.2 Freq was the 'latest and greatest' though. There have been improvements I'm certain. Questions: I've been considering making hdb all ext3 so I won't have to touch it again for a while. Or should it be Reiser? To this point that drive has been a sort of "holding tank" for images, downloads, music, miscellaneous what evers. I made the first half of it (after I cleared it) ext3 when I was first fooling with beta1. It's a 60 GB Maxtor. Four duplicates in fact but Mandrake only gets to play with the first two. Would you recommend making it all ext3, or all Reiser? Either is acceptable since it doesn't take much longer to do the back half than to do it all. Since I'll have to do a lot of swapping of directories and files before I touch another install; and I'll have to do a complete back-up of /home in order to change it from XFS to Reiser or ext3 I'd like advice on what would be the safest bet for the file system to use please. I can use part of the other two disks to do the "back-up" of the Mandrake two but I don't want to start until I'm sure I won't have to do it again in a week or ten days when the next beta comes along. Or should I do the b-ups, format those two disks, and install the latest cooker for testing? Either way I'll lose the install of 9.0 I have so it matters not to me. I'd just like to use a file system that I can stay with. Thanks. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one, but it takes a long time, and the light bulb has to really want to change. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On January 15, 2003 03:52 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 12:37, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > I have seen some posting regarding file system support on upcoming 9.1. > > > > What is the best file system for the root partition? Ext2, Ext3, > > ReinserFS, XFS? > > > > Adolfo > > EXT3 for the root, then you can use whatever you like after that - > ReiserFS is quite alright, but for large scale file systems, XFS seems > to be the better handler. "Keerect" except XFS isn't a usable file system for 9.1beta1. No XFS modules at all. I'm not certain about ReiserFS, but ext3 is there, however crappy it runs on my machine. That's why I was using XFS since 8.2 beta; it worked. It's a beta so I suppose the best method is trial and error to find what works adequately as I did before I settled on XFS. Besides; I have three (used under Mandrake) partitions that are roughly 30 GB each and XFS worked the smoothest for this hardware. Personally I'll be waiting for beta2. Or at least another kernel. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Gary Hart: living proof that you *can* screw your brains out. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which file system?
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 12:37, Adolfo Bello wrote: > I have seen some posting regarding file system support on upcoming 9.1. > > What is the best file system for the root partition? Ext2, Ext3, > ReinserFS, XFS? > > Adolfo EXT3 for the root, then you can use whatever you like after that - ReiserFS is quite alright, but for large scale file systems, XFS seems to be the better handler. -- Thu Jan 16 09:50:00 EST 2003 9:50am up 2 days, 1:31, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.02 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- In this world, nothing is certain but death and taxes. -- Benjamin Franklin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Which file system?
I have seen some posting regarding file system support on upcoming 9.1. What is the best file system for the root partition? Ext2, Ext3, ReinserFS, XFS? Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 21:12, civileme wrote: > Ext2 I ran three times under each mode and came up with the same results > (nearly). The one thsat others suggested to me as the fastest turned > out to be the slowest. > > Yes, i have run sledgehammer on IDE, on SCSI and on seven different > processors, including a PPro dual system running SMP. The verdict is > that ext3 is slow, about 60-70% of ext2, while Reiserfs, XFS and ext2 > are all comparable, and JFS is out in front except it takes more storage > and needs defragmentation as a separate process. Your results with ext3 as compared against ext2 might explain somewhat why I haven't noticed alot of difference, although not totally. For one thing, I still don't know what ext3 journaling mode you were using for the tests. For another thing, I also still don't know what the minimum size for XFS filesystems are. 20 meg? 30? 40? I've looked, but have not been able to find that information anywhere. The reason I'm interested is because I'm considering using XFS when I migrate my configuration/data to LM82. Your tests have me interested. Concerning XFS minimum partition size...if you don't know, have you got an idea of where to go to find out? > Withint two weeks I will have my site back up and the timed version of > Filesystem Sledgehammer set up downloadable for everyone to try. The > only caveat is that only Mandrake kernels really run XFS as it should be > run, because XFS does require some significant kernel changes. Sounds like another feather in Mandrake's cap.I look forward to running the benchmarks on this system. > And sorry about the postscript. I was typing after a very long day. > > Civileme No problem. I am just grateful that *someone* is doing public filesystem tests. So a heartfelt "thanks" is in order. Best Regards, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: >On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 18:28, Robin Turner wrote: > >>On Sunday 17 March 2002 01:00, dfox wrote: >> Reiser doesn't work well with PostScript, and doesn't work well for for mailservers. >>>Whatever gave you that idea? >>> >>>How does postscript have anything to do with the file system? >>> >>Quite - I use Reiser on my home box (Mdk 8.0) with no problems. The only >>problem I've had with Reiser is that if the filesystem gets corrupted, the >>Reiser version of fsck can do more harm than good (in fact it warns you that >>it might!). But that was a while back, and they've probably improved it much >>since then. >> >>Robin >> > >Civileme has made the statement that mailservers/postscript and Reiser don't >get along. I don't really understand where this information is coming >from, but I'd like to know myself, and it would be interesting to know >what other Reiser users are saying about these incompatibilities. > >It would also be interesting to know just how small a partition that XFS >supports. > >L8R, > >LX > > > >_ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Did I say postscript? Try postfix. Postscript is a format and a language. postfix is a mailserver. If it was my error, I certainly apologize. But still I cannot run Reiserfs with an active postfix server. The /var partition goes down hard after a couple of weeks of moderate load with freezes on any attempt to reiserfsck --rebuild-tree Sorry if I mistyped postscript... Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 18:28, Robin Turner wrote: > On Sunday 17 March 2002 01:00, dfox wrote: > > > Reiser doesn't work well with PostScript, and doesn't > > > work well for for mailservers. > > > > Whatever gave you that idea? > > > > How does postscript have anything to do with the file system? > > Quite - I use Reiser on my home box (Mdk 8.0) with no problems. The only > problem I've had with Reiser is that if the filesystem gets corrupted, the > Reiser version of fsck can do more harm than good (in fact it warns you that > it might!). But that was a while back, and they've probably improved it much > since then. > > Robin Civileme has made the statement that mailservers/postscript and Reiser don't get along. I don't really understand where this information is coming from, but I'd like to know myself, and it would be interesting to know what other Reiser users are saying about these incompatibilities. It would also be interesting to know just how small a partition that XFS supports. L8R, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Saturday 16 March 2002 20:01, you wrote: > On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:09:32 -0700, Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ext3 is dog slow, and good only for compatibility with > > Ext2. > > Ext3 is also the safest filesystem, because you have the option of > journalling data as well as metadata (the other journalling FSs only > journal metadata). I've tried ext3 and it seemed faster than ext2 but when I went to reinstall it would stop after a few screens and I'd get the message "oops, no root partition found!". There was a root partition. I just finished reinstalling with Reiser, did a cold reboot on purpose, no problem during reboot. -- Jonathan Dlouhy Saturday, March 16, 2002 Don't get even -- get odd! Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:09:32 -0700, Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ext3 is dog slow, and good only for compatibility with > Ext2. Ext3 is also the safest filesystem, because you have the option of journalling data as well as metadata (the other journalling FSs only journal metadata). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Without C, We would only have Pasal, Basi, and obol. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
Aryan, I asked this question a few days ago. Here is what Civileme, (he _The_ Man in these parts) responded. Your choices are Ext3, Reiser, JFS, and XFS. Ext3 is dog slow, and good only for compatibility with Ext2. Reiser doesn't work well with PostScript, and doesn't work well for for mailservers. JFS takes twice as much storage space to perform its journaling operations, and it must be defraged on occassion (which you would set up as a cron job). XFS, although slower in destroying files, is very fast in all other operations. It works with everything. To quote Civileme, XFS is the "the better choice." As far as Ext2 goes, it's not even an option on any machine that doesn't explicitly need it, IMHO. The benefit of data recovery and integrity far, far outweighs the whatever processing overhead is involved. Miark On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:48:28 +0330, "Aryan Ameri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly: > Hi there: > Maybe It's an old question and man of you have seen similar questions. But I read >the archive and couldn't make up my mind. I am a newbie to Linux and am willing to >buy Mandrake Linux 8.2. But I don't know what file system to use. > I am willing to install my Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want it to be >secure. nor I want it to give me back up options, nor do I use RAID. I just want the >fastest File system and I want it to be stable enough ( not that much stable, any >thing more stable than FAT will suite me). > If possible please also give me a list of File systems that are available with >version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit my needs. > Linux Registered user # 266090 > Aryan > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Saturday 16 March 2002 04:18 am, Aryan Ameri wrote: > I don't know what file system to use. I am willing to install my > Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want it to be secure. nor I > want it to give me back up options, nor do I use RAID. I just want > the fastest File system and I want it to be stable enough ( not > that much stable, any thing more stable than FAT will suite me). If > possible please also give me a list of File systems that are > available with version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit > my needs. Linux Registered user # 266090 > Aryan If you do an expert install, there's too many filesystem types to list ;) I believe you'll want a journaling FS, and that ReiserFS and XFS are the two most recommended. I've been using ReiserFS for over a year an' half without ever a problem. It's fast, stable, and recovers quickly and easily from improper shutdowns. A month or so ago when I got 8.2b2 CD's I thought I'd try XFS since it's gettin the best recommends lately. I only used it for 2 days. On my system XFS was slightly slower than ReiserFS, and I had a few problems which I suspected were FS related. Specially recovery from an improper shutdown (on purpose). I didn't bother getting to the bottom of it tho. I just went back to my good'ol tried and true ReiserFS. In fairness tho, I like many (but not most), install Linux in one big '/' partition which may have caused ill affects for XFS. It doesn't with ReiserFS. 'Course this is just my experience. Civileme has done extensive FS testing on various hardware. Search the newbie and expert mailing list archives and look for his posts related to filesystems. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3 (look down towards the bottom of the page). I believe a fair summary is he favors XFS. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which File system?
So, you want a file-system which isn't secure, you don't want to back it up and you aren't bothered about it being stable... It all really depends on what you use your machine for... what's the machines' primary use? > -Original Message- > From: Aryan Ameri [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 10:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [newbie] Which File system? > > Hi there: > Maybe It's an old question and man of you have seen similar questions. But > I read the archive and couldn't make up my mind. I am a newbie to Linux > and am willing to buy Mandrake Linux 8.2. But I don't know what file > system to use. > I am willing to install my Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want it > to be secure. nor I want it to give me back up options, nor do I use RAID. > I just want the fastest File system and I want it to be stable enough ( > not that much stable, any thing more stable than FAT will suite me). > If possible please also give me a list of File systems that are available > with version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit my needs. > Linux Registered user # 266090 > Aryan ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life & Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
About 5 months ago, XFS appeared to be the favorite, so when I crashed and burned the next time, I switched. Haven't lost anything since and system has gone off due to power outages several times since. I never do a clean shut down simply because there seems to be no good reason to turn the computer off any more. BTW 8.2 is A1. Lee On Saturday 16 March 2002 05:51 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 05:18, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > Hi there: > > Maybe It's an old question and man of you have seen similar questions. > > But I read the archive and couldn't make up my mind. I am a newbie to > > Linux and am willing to buy Mandrake Linux 8.2. But I don't know what > > file system to use. > > > > I am willing to install my Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want > > it to be secure. nor I want it to give me back up options, nor do I > > use RAID. I just want the fastest File system and I want it to be > > stable enough ( not that much stable, any thing more stable than FAT > > will suite me). > > If possible please also give me a list of File systems that are available > > with version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit my needs. Linux > > Registered user # 266090 > > Aryan > > The purpose of the journaling filesystems is to preserve data > integrity. There is a processing overhead incurred with the journalling > process. Consequently, if you are not interested in data integrity or > recovery, ext2 will probably be your best choice. It has no data > logging facilities to slow it down. > > If you change your mind about the data integity priorities, XFS seems to > be the best thing going for speed vs data integrity. > > For those looking for total data safety, ext3 is the best way. I > understand that it is the only fs available that provides data > journaling mode. The other journaling fs's are metadata logging > systems. I run ext3 on an Athlon 964 mhz with raid 0, and it's been > plenty fast for me. > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Registered Linux user #223705 Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which File system?
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 05:18, Aryan Ameri wrote: > Hi there: > Maybe It's an old question and man of you have seen similar questions. > But I read the archive and couldn't make up my mind. I am a newbie to > Linux and am willing to buy Mandrake Linux 8.2. But I don't know what > file system to use. > I am willing to install my Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want > it to be secure. nor I want it to give me back up options, nor do I > use RAID. I just want the fastest File system and I want it to be > stable enough ( not that much stable, any thing more stable than FAT > will suite me). > If possible please also give me a list of File systems that are available with >version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit my needs. > Linux Registered user # 266090 > Aryan The purpose of the journaling filesystems is to preserve data integrity. There is a processing overhead incurred with the journalling process. Consequently, if you are not interested in data integrity or recovery, ext2 will probably be your best choice. It has no data logging facilities to slow it down. If you change your mind about the data integity priorities, XFS seems to be the best thing going for speed vs data integrity. For those looking for total data safety, ext3 is the best way. I understand that it is the only fs available that provides data journaling mode. The other journaling fs's are metadata logging systems. I run ext3 on an Athlon 964 mhz with raid 0, and it's been plenty fast for me. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Which File system?
Hi there: Maybe It's an old question and man of you have seen similar questions. But I read the archive and couldn't make up my mind. I am a newbie to Linux and am willing to buy Mandrake Linux 8.2. But I don't know what file system to use. I am willing to install my Linux on my desktop computer. I don't want it to be secure. nor I want it to give me back up options, nor do I use RAID. I just want the fastest File system and I want it to be stable enough ( not that much stable, any thing more stable than FAT will suite me). If possible please also give me a list of File systems that are available with version 8.2 and please tell me which one best suit my needs. Linux Registered user # 266090 Aryan
