Re: Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
If I remember correctly, ReiserFS was incompatible with NFS. Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved yet? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
Wow, I'm being quoted :) I should elaborate a little upon what I wrote in August (quoted below). As I noted before, ReiserFS is very reliable. I believe SuSE use it by default. Just be sure to mount it with the notail parameter if you want to use it for /boot or if you want maximum performance at the expense of a little space efficiency (but ReiserFS would still be just as efficient as ext3 or XFS). XFS is better for large files, since it was originally developed by SGI for multimedia processing. Ext3 is better for mission-critical environments (if you use full data journalling) if speed isn't too important, and its database speeds aren't too bad either. On my main system, I use ext3 for /boot and /, and ReiserFS for /usr, /tmp, and /var. Ext3 and ReiserFS can be resized both positively and negatively, which makes them great candidates for EVMS (which is like software RAID and LVM combined, but better). On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:36:41 +0200, Roman Korcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I > > should > > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > > trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > > Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > > now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > > Sridhar wrote this in August: > > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:12:43 +0100, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> My ext2 partitions are now ext3 - I couldn't fathom the Control Centre > >route, > but the command line couldn't have been simpler. > >> > >> For future reference - i.e. when I move on to Mandrake 9 - I get the > >> impression that there are a number of problems with some of the file > >systems, > with Reiser being probably the least problem. Is this right? > > > > I am not aware of any problems with Mandrake 9.0 specifically. I have read > > that XFS doesn't like certain kernel optimisations like preempt and > > low-latency, but Mandrake won't be including those anyway. I like to compile > > my own kernels with these patches included (they can make a big difference > > to system performance), so I avoid XFS. Otherwise, XFS appears to be a very > > reliable and fast filesystem. For most normal operations, ext3 is the > > slowest, even with only metadata journalling enabled (unlike the other > > journalling FSs, ext3 can journal_all_ of your data, which is safer but much > > slower). Its strengths are in database transaction speeds and its forward > > and backward compatibility with ext2. I personally think ReiserFS is the > > best for home systems. It is reasonably fast, being exceptionally speedy > > with small (sub-100K) files. It has had problems in the past, but they seem > > to have been ironed out in the more recent releases. JFS is very > > space-inefficient (each file takes about double the space), but is arguably > > the fastest FS. It also has problems with fragmentation, so you need to > > periodically defrag it (just like with Windows and FAT/NTFS). > > > > Of these filesystems, ReiserFS is probably the most complex (using features > > like B-trees, etc.). It is also the only journalling FS that has been > > designed from scratch, the others being the continuation of preexisting FSs. > > Nevertheless, it has proven to be quite robust in actual use, so I > > wholeheartedly recommend it. > > > > -- > > Sridhar Dhanapalan > > > >If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... > > ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. > > > -- > HTH > Roman -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "Recently I bought Office XP. It was quite unpleasant feeling giving so much money for so buggy product. ... Solution: Uninstall Office XP and Windows." -- Georgi Guninski, security expert, http://www.guninski.com, 2001-07-12 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
Hi, > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. Sridhar wrote this in August: > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:12:43 +0100, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> My ext2 partitions are now ext3 - I couldn't fathom the Control Centre route, >> but the command line couldn't have been simpler. >> >> For future reference - i.e. when I move on to Mandrake 9 - I get the >> impression that there are a number of problems with some of the file systems, >> with Reiser being probably the least problem. Is this right? > > I am not aware of any problems with Mandrake 9.0 specifically. I have read that > XFS doesn't like certain kernel optimisations like preempt and low-latency, but > Mandrake won't be including those anyway. I like to compile my own kernels with > these patches included (they can make a big difference to system performance), > so I avoid XFS. Otherwise, XFS appears to be a very reliable and fast > filesystem. For most normal operations, ext3 is the slowest, even with only > metadata journalling enabled (unlike the other journalling FSs, ext3 can journal > _all_ of your data, which is safer but much slower). Its strengths are in > database transaction speeds and its forward and backward compatibility with > ext2. I personally think ReiserFS is the best for home systems. It is reasonably > fast, being exceptionally speedy with small (sub-100K) files. It has had > problems in the past, but they seem to have been ironed out in the more recent > releases. JFS is very space-inefficient (each file takes about double the > space), but is arguably the fastest FS. It also has problems with fragmentation, > so you need to periodically defrag it (just like with Windows and FAT/NTFS). > > Of these filesystems, ReiserFS is probably the most complex (using features like > B-trees, etc.). It is also the only journalling FS that has been designed from > scratch, the others being the continuation of preexisting FSs. Nevertheless, it > has proven to be quite robust in actual use, so I wholeheartedly recommend it. > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan > >If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... > ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. -- HTH Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On September 28, 2002 03:26 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote: > Got it - so...can you convert to a different filesystem (I'm apparently > using ext3) without losing everything, ie reformatting? Just curious, > read a little of some of the other web pages and they talk about > disk-swapping, copying partitions from one disk to another, holy moley! > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > + Ralph | Internet Systems & Security + > + Boundariez.com | -"Specializing in Paranoia"- + > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > +ralphatboundariezdotcom | Never understimate the power + > +AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people + > +ICQ: 2206039|in large groups+ > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > -Original Message- > From: Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 5:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK > 9.0 > > On September 28, 2002 01:53 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote: > > OK, quick question - how can I tell what's installed? Moreover - > > what's the command to see which partitions are using which file > > systems? > > > > Thanks - sorry to be such a noob. > > [snip] > df -T will give you what you want > > Spence The only easy one is ext2 to ext3. All the rest take a considerable amount of work and a very good knowledge of linux. Not really worth the trouble unless its a production machine. I use ext3 and find it more than enough for general purposes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
Got it - so...can you convert to a different filesystem (I'm apparently using ext3) without losing everything, ie reformatting? Just curious, read a little of some of the other web pages and they talk about disk-swapping, copying partitions from one disk to another, holy moley! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + Ralph | Internet Systems & Security + + Boundariez.com | -"Specializing in Paranoia"- + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +ralphatboundariezdotcom | Never understimate the power + +AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people + +ICQ: 2206039|in large groups+ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -Original Message- From: Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0 On September 28, 2002 01:53 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote: > OK, quick question - how can I tell what's installed? Moreover - > what's the command to see which partitions are using which file > systems? > > Thanks - sorry to be such a noob. > [snip] df -T will give you what you want Spence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
OK, quick question - how can I tell what's installed? Moreover - what's the command to see which partitions are using which file systems? Thanks - sorry to be such a noob. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + Ralph | Internet Systems & Security + + Boundariez.com | -"Specializing in Paranoia"- + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +ralphatboundariezdotcom | Never understimate the power + +AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people + +ICQ: 2206039|in large groups+ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -Original Message- From: Terry Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0 Ditto Damians remarks. It's a fairly subjective choice with lots of strongly held opinions. I use a number of different file systems on a number of distributions. RH7.3: ext2 for boot and ext3 for everything else. Never any problems can convert ext2 to ext3 (which is a journaling fs) non-destructively. My subjective impression is that it's slower than the two other journaling sytems I describe below. Mandrake 8.2: Reiser and ext2. I did have a filecorruption problem a long time ago with the reiser fs but it was fixed without any lost data by reiserfsck. Gentoo 1.2: ext2 (for boot) and XFS. Gentoo is very negative about Reiser and offers kernel source optimized for XFS. So I went that route. No problems to date (about 2 months for my main system). Seems about as quick as Reiser. The problem is that RH 7.3 doesn't support XFS and so I can't mount my XFS partitions under RH (but I can mount RH under gentoo which is generally how I'm running). YMMV. Terry Smith Cape Cod USA On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 23:26, Damian G wrote: > On 27 Sep 2002 21:50:20 -0500 > Jim Fazio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > List, > > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I > > should use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose > > from. I'm trying to research which is "best", but only finding > > older material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which > > filesystem is the default now? I want to map out my choices before > > I get there. > > > > TIA, > > Jim F > > well, this is usually something like "which is better KDE or Gnome" > however, for what i know, all of them work quite well, ReiserFS is > supposed to be the fastest, however i notice little or no difference, > and it is the only one that has ever crapped out on me -- after 20 or > so consecutive unclean shutdowns -- some PAM files broke and the > installation started refusing all logins, so i had to reinstall on > that machine. > > And, i've heard wonders about XFS. it is regarded as the best by many > people, and it probably is the one i'll attempt to break next :o) > > Damian > -- > boot into windows? > what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On September 28, 2002 01:53 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote: > OK, quick question - how can I tell what's installed? Moreover - what's > the command to see which partitions are using which file systems? > > Thanks - sorry to be such a noob. > [snip] df -T will give you what you want Spence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
Ditto Damians remarks. It's a fairly subjective choice with lots of strongly held opinions. I use a number of different file systems on a number of distributions. RH7.3: ext2 for boot and ext3 for everything else. Never any problems can convert ext2 to ext3 (which is a journaling fs) non-destructively. My subjective impression is that it's slower than the two other journaling sytems I describe below. Mandrake 8.2: Reiser and ext2. I did have a filecorruption problem a long time ago with the reiser fs but it was fixed without any lost data by reiserfsck. Gentoo 1.2: ext2 (for boot) and XFS. Gentoo is very negative about Reiser and offers kernel source optimized for XFS. So I went that route. No problems to date (about 2 months for my main system). Seems about as quick as Reiser. The problem is that RH 7.3 doesn't support XFS and so I can't mount my XFS partitions under RH (but I can mount RH under gentoo which is generally how I'm running). YMMV. Terry Smith Cape Cod USA On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 23:26, Damian G wrote: > On 27 Sep 2002 21:50:20 -0500 > Jim Fazio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > List, > > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > > trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > > Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > > now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > > > > TIA, > > Jim F > > well, this is usually something like "which is better KDE or Gnome" > however, for what i know, all of them work quite well, ReiserFS > is supposed to be the fastest, however i notice little or no difference, > and it is the only one that has ever crapped out on me -- after > 20 or so consecutive unclean shutdowns -- some PAM files broke and the > installation started refusing all logins, so i had to reinstall on that > machine. > > And, i've heard wonders about XFS. it is regarded as the best by many > people, and it probably is the one i'll attempt to break next :o) > > Damian > -- > boot into windows? > what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 17:14, Jim Fazio wrote: > List, > Thanks everyone for the comments. One last question on the subject. > When I read that ext3 is "slower" or "takes a performance hit", does > this mean compared to the other journalized filesystems or also compared > to ext2? In other words is ext3 even slower that ext2? > > Jim F > Try this URL for some interesting information on Ext3: http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/ext3/why.html As for the performance, I'm reminded of Mark Twain's quote: "Reports of my death were greatly exaggerated." There's been alot of hype over this, but from what I've seen it's related very strongly as to how the ext3 filesystem is tuned. If you are not paying attention to how it's tweaked, then yes you can get some very bad numbers. I've got a lowly 900 mhz Athlon workstation here and I've never been dissatisfied with the performance (yet). In other words, there's sort of a mob mentality with regard to these ext3 performance issues. Since it's Red Hat's filesystem of choice, it is under quite a bit of scrutiny. I saw some benchmark numbers at Red Hat (which I can't locate anymore) that put ext3 performance in a light that was more or less on a par with the other journaling filesystems. One thing that you will notice quickly when you get on google and start looking for filesystem performance links is the jinormous amount of no information you will get. As Preed in Titan AE would say, "A virtual carnucopia of NOTHING." If you are able to locate benches I would suggest you ignore anything prior to the third quarter of 2001. HTH, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Saturday 28 September 2002 11:45 am, robin wrote: > >>Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I > >> should use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to > >> choose from. I'm trying to research which is "best", but only > >> finding older material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which > >> filesystem is the default now? I want to map out my choices > >> before I get there. Take a look at this page and see if it helps: http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems If you (or anyone) can add to it (or correct anything) please do -- it is a wiki! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:45:45 +, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > >On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 22:50, Jim Fazio wrote: > > > > > >>List, > >>Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > >>use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > >>trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > >>Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > >>now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > >> > > > >I believe in reliability in case of crash or power failure, so I use > >ext3. Civileme likes XFS for it's performance and multimedia > >abilities. The last thing I read from Sridhar, I think he was messing > >with Reiser. Not sure what Dfox is doing these days. ;) > > > >There are advantages and disadvantages to all the jfs's. Ext3 is rock > >solid, with a slight performance hit. But it gives you very good > >recovery, almost trouble free if your hardware is pristine, and it is > >the only filesystem that offers data journaling mode. The others are > >metadata journaling filesystems; ext3 does both. XFS can handle > >terabyte sized files (I think) but cannot support the full set of file > >attributes that ext3 can. Reiser is reputed by most to be fast, by > >others to be trouble free, and yet others have had problems. I'm not > >sure about full file attribute support in Reiser. > > > > > > > I suspect most of the reported Reiser problems were with early versions > of reiserfs (whic, like much UNIX-speak, I initially mis-read - as > REI-serfs!). I managed to completely mangle a Reiser box after a crash > by injudicious use of the associated FS tools, but to be fair, the > package did come up with one of those big cheery warnings along the > lines of "This is experimental software and using it can result in your > computer being reduced to a heap of melted silicon" or whatever. I > think recent versions of reiserfs are pretty stable. Having said that, > I may try ext3 when I get round to installing 9.0. I have a box at work > with ext2, which I definitely don't want (given the frequency of power > failures here) so I'll test it on that. I've been following the writings of Daniel Robbins, leader of the Gentoo Project and author of the Filesystems Guides at IBM DeveloperWorks. He wrote that ReiserFS has had problems in the past, but in the last few kernel releases it has been very solid. The Gentoo documentation has also been changed to reflect this. If you plan to use LVM, or better yet EVMS, ReiserFS is a good choice. It is both fast (particularly for smaller files) and reliable, and ReiserFS filesystems can be grown and shrunken. XFS can only be grown, and since it is not an official part of the 2.4 series kernels it can interfere with some kernel performance patches, like the low-latency and kernel preempt patches. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "... _no_ major software project that has been successful in a general marketplace (as opposed to niches) has ever gone through those nice lifecycles they tell you about in CompSci classes. Have you _ever_ heard of a project that actually started off with trying to figure out what it should do, a rigorous design phase, and a implementation phase?" -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: >On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 22:50, Jim Fazio wrote: > > >>List, >> Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should >>use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm >>trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. >>Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default >>now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. >> > >I believe in reliability in case of crash or power failure, so I use >ext3. Civileme likes XFS for it's performance and multimedia >abilities. The last thing I read from Sridhar, I think he was messing >with Reiser. Not sure what Dfox is doing these days. ;) > >There are advantages and disadvantages to all the jfs's. Ext3 is rock >solid, with a slight performance hit. But it gives you very good >recovery, almost trouble free if your hardware is pristine, and it is >the only filesystem that offers data journaling mode. The others are >metadata journaling filesystems; ext3 does both. XFS can handle >terabyte sized files (I think) but cannot support the full set of file >attributes that ext3 can. Reiser is reputed by most to be fast, by >others to be trouble free, and yet others have had problems. I'm not >sure about full file attribute support in Reiser. > > > I suspect most of the reported Reiser problems were with early versions of reiserfs (whic, like much UNIX-speak, I initially mis-read - as REI-serfs!). I managed to completely mangle a Reiser box after a crash by injudicious use of the associated FS tools, but to be fair, the package did come up with one of those big cheery warnings along the lines of "This is experimental software and using it can result in your computer being reduced to a heap of melted silicon" or whatever. I think recent versions of reiserfs are pretty stable. Having said that, I may try ext3 when I get round to installing 9.0. I have a box at work with ext2, which I definitely don't want (given the frequency of power failures here) so I'll test it on that. Sir Robin -- "Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It's lovely to be silly at the right moment" - Horace Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara 06533 http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 22:50, Jim Fazio wrote: > List, > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > > TIA, > Jim F Jim, I believe in reliability in case of crash or power failure, so I use ext3. Civileme likes XFS for it's performance and multimedia abilities. The last thing I read from Sridhar, I think he was messing with Reiser. Not sure what Dfox is doing these days. ;) There are advantages and disadvantages to all the jfs's. Ext3 is rock solid, with a slight performance hit. But it gives you very good recovery, almost trouble free if your hardware is pristine, and it is the only filesystem that offers data journaling mode. The others are metadata journaling filesystems; ext3 does both. XFS can handle terabyte sized files (I think) but cannot support the full set of file attributes that ext3 can. Reiser is reputed by most to be fast, by others to be trouble free, and yet others have had problems. I'm not sure about full file attribute support in Reiser. HTH--LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
You'll all pardon me for asking a stupid question - but this is the noob list. Can someone point me to an FAQ about this stuff? What's it used for (I'm half-clear on it)...do you have to install it or choose at install time? Where to hear more on it? I could use it, I kill boxen all the time with LINUX. :) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + Ralph Los | Internet Systems & Security + + Boundariez.com | -"Specializing in Paranoia"- + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Never understimate the power + +AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people + +ICQ: 2206039|in large groups+ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -Original Message- From: Franki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0 I have always been a huge fan of ReiserFS, but I also like XFS, but lately I have been using EXT3 for everything.. There is a site online, I think the guys name is Rainer Link (I think) and he works for SUSE. and he has a site about getting speed out of EXT3, and how to turn options on and off for their various uses... He has some benchmarks that show when this is done intelligently, it yeilds performance compariable to Reiser and XFS. Also, for most applications, the difference between them is relatively small. being able to mount as EXT2 if needed is handy too. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Fazio Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 10:50 AM To: MandrakeNewbieList Subject: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0 List, Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. TIA, Jim F Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
I have always been a huge fan of ReiserFS, but I also like XFS, but lately I have been using EXT3 for everything.. There is a site online, I think the guys name is Rainer Link (I think) and he works for SUSE. and he has a site about getting speed out of EXT3, and how to turn options on and off for their various uses... He has some benchmarks that show when this is done intelligently, it yeilds performance compariable to Reiser and XFS. Also, for most applications, the difference between them is relatively small. being able to mount as EXT2 if needed is handy too. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Fazio Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 10:50 AM To: MandrakeNewbieList Subject: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0 List, Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. TIA, Jim F Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Friday 27 September 2002 11:26 pm, Damian G wrote: > On 27 Sep 2002 21:50:20 -0500 > > Jim Fazio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > List, > > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. > > I'm trying to research which is "best", but only finding older > > material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the > > default now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > > > > TIA, > > Jim F > > well, this is usually something like "which is better KDE or Gnome" > however, for what i know, all of them work quite well, ReiserFS > is supposed to be the fastest, however i notice little or no difference, > and it is the only one that has ever crapped out on me -- after > 20 or so consecutive unclean shutdowns -- some PAM files broke and the > installation started refusing all logins, so i had to reinstall on that > machine. > > And, i've heard wonders about XFS. it is regarded as the best by many > people, and it probably is the one i'll attempt to break next :o) > > Damian I've been using Reiser for quite a while with no problems at all. On the rare occasion I've had to do a hard reboot, there's no waiting 30 minutes while the file system is being checked. -- Jonathan Dlouhy Friday, September 27, 2002 "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."-- Vice President Dan Quayle Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake Linux 9 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On 27 Sep 2002 21:50:20 -0500 Jim Fazio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > List, > Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should > use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm > trying to research which is "best", but only finding older material. > Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default > now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. > > TIA, > Jim F well, this is usually something like "which is better KDE or Gnome" however, for what i know, all of them work quite well, ReiserFS is supposed to be the fastest, however i notice little or no difference, and it is the only one that has ever crapped out on me -- after 20 or so consecutive unclean shutdowns -- some PAM files broke and the installation started refusing all logins, so i had to reinstall on that machine. And, i've heard wonders about XFS. it is regarded as the best by many people, and it probably is the one i'll attempt to break next :o) Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
