Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:28:47 -0500, Christopher Molnar said: > On Sunday 14 January 2001 12:20, David Boles wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:17:39 -0500, Christopher Molnar said: > > > > . BIG snip < > -Chris > > > > Can on still donwload source packages, IE -X.X.X.mdk.src.rpm, > > and compile them on a "stock" L-M 7.2. Or have they be changed "inside" > > to only compile on Cooker type setup? > > You can try. If they interface with rpm 4 at all they probably have been > changed. As always, ask the packager if you have a question (rpm -qi package) > will give you the name of the packager. Chris, I only entered this question on the Newbie list because the thread started there. I lurk the Cooker list, read the Expert list, and scan the Newbie list. I am a twenty year computer user and a nine month Linux user. Does that STILL make me a "newbie" My first computer was a Sinclair 1000 with whopping 2K of memory. I had to learn their "Token Basic" just to use it. Then to Commodore 64 and Commodore Basic. My first PC was a "clone XT" with no Hard Drive just two 306K floppies. I then started to build my own. I added a 32 MEG Seagate hd that cost almost $400. I upgraded the motherboard to a 286, then 386, then 486, then several 586's to now with cases and hardware also. In that time I went from DOS 3.3 to Windows 3.1, then OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3, OS/2 Warp 4. When IBM baled on the home user someone showed me Linux. I bought L-M 6.0 Complete and am now up to L-M 7.2.. I love it. The learning is mind expanding. Someone gave me a copy of RedHat 6.1. I tried it and went back to L-M. The people on their help lists mostly wrote nasty replies to questions like this one. I have NEVER found that to be the case here. The most important things that I have learned is how not to panic when I screw something up and then how to fix it. ;-) -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
On Sunday 14 January 2001 12:20, David Boles wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:17:39 -0500, Christopher Molnar said: > > . BIG snip < -Chris > > Can on still donwload source packages, IE -X.X.X.mdk.src.rpm, > and compile them on a "stock" L-M 7.2. Or have they be changed "inside" > to only compile on Cooker type setup? You can try. If they interface with rpm 4 at all they probably have been changed. As always, ask the packager if you have a question (rpm -qi package) will give you the name of the packager. -Chris
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
thanks Chris! I appreciate your explanation. Abe Christopher Molnar wrote: > > On Sunday 14 January 2001 11:11, Mark Weaver wrote: > > On Sunday 14 January 2001 12:02 pm, you wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Mark Weaver wrote: > > > > Then why in the world is there even anything being compiled for Mdk 7.2 > > > > in an RPM4 format? to begin with I was mostly just curious about RPM4 > > > > packages what-nots, but now I'm absolutely convinced that RPM4 IS from > > > > the very pit of hell and one should have nothing at all to do with it. > > > > > > Where are RPMS's being compiled by MandrakeSoft for 7.2 in an RPM 4 > > > format? Seriously, where are you finding these? > > > > It was an assumption made on my part based on what I had been reading on > > this list. If I've made this assumption in error then the egg is clearly on > > my face. > > No, I think there is a common mis-understanding here that is worth clearing > up. A lot of the packages people mention in any of the lists is from our > "cooker" development tree. For those folks who like living on the bleading > edge (dangerously) they have access to the development tree and get the > updates and are able to test them as they are packaged for the next build. > > Unfortunatly this time the development tree is incompatable with 7.2. The > version of gcc is updated, the kernel is updated, libraries are being moved > around and much more. RPM 4 is another reason, any utility that uses RPM must > be updated the minute you update to RPM 4, this is something most people do > not think of. > > Does anyone realize that the "menu" package, used to generate and update the > menu structure uses rpm? It will fail and you will be left without menus if > you update. (I know from experience). > > Users have a choice here. If they want to go to the rpm 4 they need to do a > total update to cooker, it is just to much problem to do anything else. > Believe me, I would like to update to RPM 4 on my production machine, but I > also like making kde 2.1 CVS builds available for all on 7.2 and 7.1 and if I > update these rpm's would no longer work. > > The only update that will work on 7.2 are those that are found in the > Mandrake/Update directory for 7.2 and those that are found in > Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586 on the Mandrake development trees on cooker > mirrors. > > Anyways I hope that helps a little. Ask if your have any questions. > > -Chris
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:17:39 -0500, Christopher Molnar said: . BIG snip < > The only update that will work on 7.2 are those that are found in the > Mandrake/Update directory for 7.2 and those that are found in > Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586 on the Mandrake development trees on cooker > mirrors. > > Anyways I hope that helps a little. Ask if your have any questions. > > -Chris Can on still donwload source packages, IE -X.X.X.mdk.src.rpm, and compile them on a "stock" L-M 7.2. Or have they be changed "inside" to only compile on Cooker type setup? -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:17:39 -0500, Christopher Molnar said: > BIG snip < > The only update that will work on 7.2 are those that are found in the > Mandrake/Update directory for 7.2 and those that are found in > Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586 on the Mandrake development trees on cooker > mirrors. > > Anyways I hope that helps a little. Ask if your have any questions. > > -Chris Can one still download the source code packages -x.x.x. scr.rpm and compile them oa 'stock L-m 7.2 box? -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
> No, I think there is a common mis-understanding here that is worth clearing > up. A lot of the packages people mention in any of the lists is from our > "cooker" development tree. For those folks who like living on the bleading > edge (dangerously) they have access to the development tree and get the > updates and are able to test them as they are packaged for the next build. > > Unfortunatly this time the development tree is incompatable with 7.2. The > version of gcc is updated, the kernel is updated, libraries are being moved > around and much more. RPM 4 is another reason, any utility that uses RPM > must be updated the minute you update to RPM 4, this is something most > people do not think of. > > Does anyone realize that the "menu" package, used to generate and update > the menu structure uses rpm? It will fail and you will be left without > menus if you update. (I know from experience). > > Users have a choice here. If they want to go to the rpm 4 they need to do a > total update to cooker, it is just to much problem to do anything else. > Believe me, I would like to update to RPM 4 on my production machine, but I > also like making kde 2.1 CVS builds available for all on 7.2 and 7.1 and if > I update these rpm's would no longer work. > > The only update that will work on 7.2 are those that are found in the > Mandrake/Update directory for 7.2 and those that are found in > Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586 on the Mandrake development trees on cooker > mirrors. > > Anyways I hope that helps a little. Ask if your have any questions. > > -Chris Thanks Chris...this definitely clears things up much more the they had been before for me as far as the RPM's go. Rpm's are definately a breed apart from other application delivery systems. I've been using Linux for neigh on to 2 years now and I'm only just now getting to the place where I'm getting confortable with them instead of installing everything using tarballs. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds
Re: [newbie] Worthless RPM software (EVERYONE PLEASE READ!)
On Sunday 14 January 2001 11:11, Mark Weaver wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2001 12:02 pm, you wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Mark Weaver wrote: > > > Then why in the world is there even anything being compiled for Mdk 7.2 > > > in an RPM4 format? to begin with I was mostly just curious about RPM4 > > > packages what-nots, but now I'm absolutely convinced that RPM4 IS from > > > the very pit of hell and one should have nothing at all to do with it. > > > > Where are RPMS's being compiled by MandrakeSoft for 7.2 in an RPM 4 > > format? Seriously, where are you finding these? > > It was an assumption made on my part based on what I had been reading on > this list. If I've made this assumption in error then the egg is clearly on > my face. No, I think there is a common mis-understanding here that is worth clearing up. A lot of the packages people mention in any of the lists is from our "cooker" development tree. For those folks who like living on the bleading edge (dangerously) they have access to the development tree and get the updates and are able to test them as they are packaged for the next build. Unfortunatly this time the development tree is incompatable with 7.2. The version of gcc is updated, the kernel is updated, libraries are being moved around and much more. RPM 4 is another reason, any utility that uses RPM must be updated the minute you update to RPM 4, this is something most people do not think of. Does anyone realize that the "menu" package, used to generate and update the menu structure uses rpm? It will fail and you will be left without menus if you update. (I know from experience). Users have a choice here. If they want to go to the rpm 4 they need to do a total update to cooker, it is just to much problem to do anything else. Believe me, I would like to update to RPM 4 on my production machine, but I also like making kde 2.1 CVS builds available for all on 7.2 and 7.1 and if I update these rpm's would no longer work. The only update that will work on 7.2 are those that are found in the Mandrake/Update directory for 7.2 and those that are found in Mandrake-devel/unsupported/i586 on the Mandrake development trees on cooker mirrors. Anyways I hope that helps a little. Ask if your have any questions. -Chris
