Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
El Dom 10 Feb 2002 22:01, escribió: > Hey, I was reading an article in Linux Journal and I thought about your > problem. Evidently, this problem has already been addressed by someone > else, and much more elegantly also. This was an article in the Dec 2001 > issue of LJ, the article was titled "Guard Against Data Loss with Mondo > Rescue". > > Mondo is the app's name, and it's got some interesting features. Check > this out: > > 1)Automatically saves either to ISO images on the hard drive or to a CDRW > drive directly. > > 2) Capable of cloning an installation of Linux > > 3) Backs up a filesystem running on one FS and restores it to another FS > type > > 4) Restructure partitions, e.g., shrinking/enlarging, reassign devices, > add hard drives BEFORE you partition and format your drives! Restores your > data and amends /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab accordingly !! > > 5) Will even back up Windows systems, including the boot sectors! > > 6) Also will verify the integrity of your existing system with the use of a > previous backup. > > It's main strength seems to be it's ability to handle backup and rewriting > of hard drive boot sectors. Check this out: > > www.microwerks.net/~hugo > > > Good luck. I'm going to download it as well. Even if it's 1/4 as good as > this article said, it's going to be worth it! Be care. Last week I download mindi-mondo and burn two backups CDs, but, when I do the restore process, all Hds partitions (Linux and windoze) was destroyed. I don't know why. Perhaps I do something wrong, so, take care and report us your experience. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Hey, I was reading an article in Linux Journal and I thought about your problem. Evidently, this problem has already been addressed by someone else, and much more elegantly also. This was an article in the Dec 2001 issue of LJ, the article was titled "Guard Against Data Loss with Mondo Rescue". Mondo is the app's name, and it's got some interesting features. Check this out: 1)Automatically saves either to ISO images on the hard drive or to a CDRW drive directly. 2) Capable of cloning an installation of Linux 3) Backs up a filesystem running on one FS and restores it to another FS type 4) Restructure partitions, e.g., shrinking/enlarging, reassign devices, add hard drives BEFORE you partition and format your drives! Restores your data and amends /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab accordingly !! 5) Will even back up Windows systems, including the boot sectors! 6) Also will verify the integrity of your existing system with the use of a previous backup. It's main strength seems to be it's ability to handle backup and rewriting of hard drive boot sectors. Check this out: www.microwerks.net/~hugo Good luck. I'm going to download it as well. Even if it's 1/4 as good as this article said, it's going to be worth it! On Saturday 02 February 2002 17:31, you wrote: > What backup apps are there for LM 8.0 that actually work? > > Looked into Partimage but couldn't get / or /home to unmount to use . > > Help ? > > Mike _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
thanks, using the tar with the -M switch did the job quite nicely. Andy On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 12:42, RichardA wrote: > Andy, this: > http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue13/floppies.html > says this: > == > Prepare as many floppies as you think you'll need by using the fdformat(8) > command. You do not need to make filesystems on them however, as you will be > using them in raw mode. > If you are backing up a large set of subdirectories, switch to the base > subdirectory and issue the following command: > > cd directory > tar -cv -L 1440 -M -f /dev/fd0 . > > This command will prompt you when to change floppies. Wait for the floppy > drive light to go out of course! > If you need to backup or transfer multiple files or directories, or just a > single large file, then specify them instead of the period at the end of the > tar command above. > Unpacking the archive is similar to the above command: > > cd directory > tar -xv -L 1440 -M -f /dev/fd0 > == > It might be five years old, but I'll bet it's still true. > (I'm sure I've read of a command you can pipe the output of tar to, which > will cut it into pieces of any size you want. Wish I could remember what it's > called). > > Richard > > Andy Gay, Monday 04 February 2002 04:31: > > I could use a simple data backup do store nothing but a /data directory > > in my /home/me/data. I would like to compress (tar, I guess) it on > > floppies (I don't have a whole lot of data-.maybe 10 meg uncompressed) > > and be prompted when to change the floppies. Is there a utility for > > that? > > > > Thanks. > > Andy > > > > On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 20:20, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > On Saturday 02 February 2002 18:28, you wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I know how bad it can be when you're starting from ground zero. I had > > > the same problems when I had to learn IBM Dos version 2 from scratch by > > > myself. > > > > > > The syntax can be arcane and hard to understand at times. Plus, the man > > > pages are not oriented to new users. The best source of information for > > > new users are HOWTO resources, which list concrete real world examples, > > > put forth in no nonsense easy to understand format. I appreciate these > > > resources greatly because I did not have them 15 years ago when I got a > > > generous crash course by an asshole administrator. > > > > > > There are many HOWTO's, but after checking I found precious little in the > > > way of tar information. This was a little disturbing, as tar is a > > > heavily used resource in the UNIX world. On discovering this, I > > > empathized with your situation even more. > > > > > > To access this information locally on your system, assuming you've got a > > > Mandrake system and I don't have any reason to assume otherwise, put the > > > following in your browser: > > > > > > file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/index.html > > > > > > If by chance the docs are not installed, go to the following net > > > resource: > > > > > > www.linuxdoc.org > > > > > > Since this is a new user's list, there should'nt be any subscribers that > > > have any misplaced preconceptions concerning a list member's > > > foreknowledge about anything regarding Mandrake Linux. > > > > > > Having said that, your original question concerned backup programs. That > > > in itself tells us alot about what you are asking. First, whenever you > > > are talking about a script or utility that does backups, it's generally > > > desirable to be able to grab everything in a given location, plus save > > > permissions and ownership information; not to mention the hidden > > > .dotdirs. That's generally what backup programs do. If you tend to back > > > your stuff up to CDRW like I do, you might want to make a tar.gz archive > > > of your directory. In my case, I like to save the home user's directory > > > to a tar.gz archive, then put it on CDRW temporarily until I've upgraded > > > the system to the next latest distro. The following command will save > > > everything unilaterally and keep all ownership and permissions > > > information verbatim: > > > > > > cd /home > > > tar -zxpvf /tmp/storage/home_dir.tar.gz * > > > > > > If you then want to view what you've done after you complete this, you go > > > to the /tmp/storage directory and type: > > > > > > tar -ztpvf home_dir.tar.gz > > > > > > This doesn't do anything but pull a list of what's in the archive. The > > > "z" option on the tar command line tells the program to process the > > > archive with gzip, which gives it a respectable compression; saving you > > > alot of space. > > > > > > Hope this gets you started. Email again if you've got further questions. > > > > > > LX > > > > > > > shane wrote: > > > > > tar springs to mind. > > > > > > > > If I knew how to use tar to backup / or /home > > > > > > > > I would not have asked the question. > > > > > > > > would you mind to tell me how to do this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just smugly saying tar
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
RichardA wrote: > It might be five years old, but I'll bet it's still true. > (I'm sure I've read of a command you can pipe the output of tar to, which > will cut it into pieces of any size you want. Wish I could remember what it's > called). Are you thinking of "split"? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Andy, this: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue13/floppies.html says this: == Prepare as many floppies as you think you'll need by using the fdformat(8) command. You do not need to make filesystems on them however, as you will be using them in raw mode. If you are backing up a large set of subdirectories, switch to the base subdirectory and issue the following command: cd directory tar -cv -L 1440 -M -f /dev/fd0 . This command will prompt you when to change floppies. Wait for the floppy drive light to go out of course! If you need to backup or transfer multiple files or directories, or just a single large file, then specify them instead of the period at the end of the tar command above. Unpacking the archive is similar to the above command: cd directory tar -xv -L 1440 -M -f /dev/fd0 == It might be five years old, but I'll bet it's still true. (I'm sure I've read of a command you can pipe the output of tar to, which will cut it into pieces of any size you want. Wish I could remember what it's called). Richard Andy Gay, Monday 04 February 2002 04:31: > I could use a simple data backup do store nothing but a /data directory > in my /home/me/data. I would like to compress (tar, I guess) it on > floppies (I don't have a whole lot of data-.maybe 10 meg uncompressed) > and be prompted when to change the floppies. Is there a utility for > that? > > Thanks. > Andy > > On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 20:20, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > On Saturday 02 February 2002 18:28, you wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > I know how bad it can be when you're starting from ground zero. I had > > the same problems when I had to learn IBM Dos version 2 from scratch by > > myself. > > > > The syntax can be arcane and hard to understand at times. Plus, the man > > pages are not oriented to new users. The best source of information for > > new users are HOWTO resources, which list concrete real world examples, > > put forth in no nonsense easy to understand format. I appreciate these > > resources greatly because I did not have them 15 years ago when I got a > > generous crash course by an asshole administrator. > > > > There are many HOWTO's, but after checking I found precious little in the > > way of tar information. This was a little disturbing, as tar is a > > heavily used resource in the UNIX world. On discovering this, I > > empathized with your situation even more. > > > > To access this information locally on your system, assuming you've got a > > Mandrake system and I don't have any reason to assume otherwise, put the > > following in your browser: > > > > file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/index.html > > > > If by chance the docs are not installed, go to the following net > > resource: > > > > www.linuxdoc.org > > > > Since this is a new user's list, there should'nt be any subscribers that > > have any misplaced preconceptions concerning a list member's > > foreknowledge about anything regarding Mandrake Linux. > > > > Having said that, your original question concerned backup programs. That > > in itself tells us alot about what you are asking. First, whenever you > > are talking about a script or utility that does backups, it's generally > > desirable to be able to grab everything in a given location, plus save > > permissions and ownership information; not to mention the hidden > > .dotdirs. That's generally what backup programs do. If you tend to back > > your stuff up to CDRW like I do, you might want to make a tar.gz archive > > of your directory. In my case, I like to save the home user's directory > > to a tar.gz archive, then put it on CDRW temporarily until I've upgraded > > the system to the next latest distro. The following command will save > > everything unilaterally and keep all ownership and permissions > > information verbatim: > > > > cd /home > > tar -zxpvf /tmp/storage/home_dir.tar.gz * > > > > If you then want to view what you've done after you complete this, you go > > to the /tmp/storage directory and type: > > > > tar -ztpvf home_dir.tar.gz > > > > This doesn't do anything but pull a list of what's in the archive. The > > "z" option on the tar command line tells the program to process the > > archive with gzip, which gives it a respectable compression; saving you > > alot of space. > > > > Hope this gets you started. Email again if you've got further questions. > > > > LX > > > > > shane wrote: > > > > tar springs to mind. > > > > > > If I knew how to use tar to backup / or /home > > > > > > I would not have asked the question. > > > > > > would you mind to tell me how to do this ? > > > > > > > > > Just smugly saying tar ( Duh ) springs to mind, doesn't really answer > > > the question. > > > > > > For anyone reading this , most of us when we ask a question , we mean > > > > > > Ok, HOW do you do that? > > > > > > Mike > > > > _ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
I could use a simple data backup do store nothing but a /data directory in my /home/me/data. I would like to compress (tar, I guess) it on floppies (I don't have a whole lot of data-.maybe 10 meg uncompressed) and be prompted when to change the floppies. Is there a utility for that? Thanks. Andy On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 20:20, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Saturday 02 February 2002 18:28, you wrote: > > Mike, > > I know how bad it can be when you're starting from ground zero. I had the > same problems when I had to learn IBM Dos version 2 from scratch by myself. > > The syntax can be arcane and hard to understand at times. Plus, the man > pages are not oriented to new users. The best source of information for new > users are HOWTO resources, which list concrete real world examples, put forth > in no nonsense easy to understand format. I appreciate these resources > greatly because I did not have them 15 years ago when I got a generous crash > course by an asshole administrator. > > There are many HOWTO's, but after checking I found precious little in the way > of tar information. This was a little disturbing, as tar is a heavily used > resource in the UNIX world. On discovering this, I empathized with your > situation even more. > > To access this information locally on your system, assuming you've got a > Mandrake system and I don't have any reason to assume otherwise, put the > following in your browser: > > file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/index.html > > If by chance the docs are not installed, go to the following net resource: > > www.linuxdoc.org > > Since this is a new user's list, there should'nt be any subscribers that have > any misplaced preconceptions concerning a list member's foreknowledge about > anything regarding Mandrake Linux. > > Having said that, your original question concerned backup programs. That in > itself tells us alot about what you are asking. First, whenever you are > talking about a script or utility that does backups, it's generally desirable > to be able to grab everything in a given location, plus save permissions and > ownership information; not to mention the hidden .dotdirs. That's generally > what backup programs do. If you tend to back your stuff up to CDRW like I > do, you might want to make a tar.gz archive of your directory. In my case, I > like to save the home user's directory to a tar.gz archive, then put it on > CDRW temporarily until I've upgraded the system to the next latest distro. > The following command will save everything unilaterally and keep all > ownership and permissions information verbatim: > > cd /home > tar -zxpvf /tmp/storage/home_dir.tar.gz * > > If you then want to view what you've done after you complete this, you go to > the /tmp/storage directory and type: > > tar -ztpvf home_dir.tar.gz > > This doesn't do anything but pull a list of what's in the archive. The "z" > option on the tar command line tells the program to process the archive with > gzip, which gives it a respectable compression; saving you alot of space. > > Hope this gets you started. Email again if you've got further questions. > > LX > > > shane wrote: > > > tar springs to mind. > > > > If I knew how to use tar to backup / or /home > > > > I would not have asked the question. > > > > would you mind to tell me how to do this ? > > > > > > Just smugly saying tar ( Duh ) springs to mind, doesn't really answer > > the question. > > > > For anyone reading this , most of us when we ask a question , we mean > > > > Ok, HOW do you do that? > > > > Mike > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > =_1012702969-31383-139 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Gidday Lyvim and Jim (and others) I have to say thank you to you guys for answers to questions I was going to ask soon, and thanks to Mike for asking. rgrds max > On Saturday 02 February 2002 18:28, you wrote: > > Mike, > > I know how bad it can be when you're starting from ground zero. I had the > same problems when I had to learn IBM Dos version 2 from scratch by myself. > > The syntax can be arcane and hard to understand at times. Plus, the man > pages are not oriented to new users. The best source of information for new > users are HOWTO resources, which list concrete real world examples, put forth > in no nonsense easy to understand format. I appreciate these resources > greatly because I did not have them 15 years ago when I got a generous crash > course by an asshole administrator. > > There are many HOWTO's, but after checking I found precious little in the way > of tar information. This was a little disturbing, as tar is a heavily used > resource in the UNIX world. On discovering this, I empathized with your > situation even more. > > To access this information locally on your system, assuming you've got a > Mandrake system and I don't have any reason to assume otherwise, put the > following in your browser: > > file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/index.html > > If by chance the docs are not installed, go to the following net resource: > > www.linuxdoc.org > > Since this is a new user's list, there should'nt be any subscribers that have > any misplaced preconceptions concerning a list member's foreknowledge about > anything regarding Mandrake Linux. > > Having said that, your original question concerned backup programs. That in > itself tells us alot about what you are asking. First, whenever you are > talking about a script or utility that does backups, it's generally desirable > to be able to grab everything in a given location, plus save permissions and > ownership information; not to mention the hidden .dotdirs. That's generally > what backup programs do. If you tend to back your stuff up to CDRW like I > do, you might want to make a tar.gz archive of your directory. In my case, I > like to save the home user's directory to a tar.gz archive, then put it on > CDRW temporarily until I've upgraded the system to the next latest distro. > The following command will save everything unilaterally and keep all > ownership and permissions information verbatim: > > cd /home > tar -zxpvf /tmp/storage/home_dir.tar.gz * > > If you then want to view what you've done after you complete this, you go to > the /tmp/storage directory and type: > > tar -ztpvf home_dir.tar.gz > > This doesn't do anything but pull a list of what's in the archive. The "z" > option on the tar command line tells the program to process the archive with > gzip, which gives it a respectable compression; saving you alot of space. > > Hope this gets you started. Email again if you've got further questions. > > LX > > > shane wrote: > > > tar springs to mind. > > > > If I knew how to use tar to backup / or /home > > > > I would not have asked the question. > > > > would you mind to tell me how to do this ? > > > > > > Just smugly saying tar ( Duh ) springs to mind, doesn't really answer > > the question. > > > > For anyone reading this , most of us when we ask a question , we mean > > > > Ok, HOW do you do that? > > > > Mike > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Sunday 03 February 2002 14:20, mike wrote: > No flame intended, > > > so hang on, backup (pun intended) and tell us just what you are doing and > > why. > > I want to backup the system ( meaning the whole system / , and /home > included ) > because i'm very tired of reinstalling ( no negativity intended just > trying to be honest ) every time I try to update something and it breaks > something else, or i try to install some app which is supposed to work > with my distro, ( LM 8.0 stock kernel 2.4.3-20mdk ) I have everything > working well now and have only to install a new scsi card ( ava aha-2906 > ) when it gets here to try and get my umax astra 600s ( scanner ) > working. > > I want to an extreme degree to not have anything windows on by box. and > have been using Mandrake for three years or so ( maybe I'm a little > slower on the uptake than others ) > but I still have trouble with some simple things which stop me from > completely removing windows. a way to make a simple backup which i can > use to restore the system is one. > > To clarify more exactly: > > I have a cdrw and can use it to burn a disk, and would like to make a > linux restore cd > if possible. short of that i can backup to another hd ( There are three > in the box, > hda=windows hdc5/6/7=/,swap/home Lm8.0 hdd5=/backup ) > > If there is a different or simpler way tell me. OK, here's a few that I've found but haven't had a chance to use them yet: There's backuponcd which is on the 2nd cd for LM8.1, sorry don't know if its on LM8.0 cds. The manual is installed in /usr/share/doc/backuponcd-0.9.1/. It appears to be for backing up files, not your system. There's also mindi and mondo. Search for "mindi and mondo" in www.google.com Seems to be straight-forward and once again a manual comes with it and is installed in /usr/share/doc/mondo-1.16/. Mindi is for backing up the kernel, modules, tools and libraries to a bootable cd which allows you to boot from the cd and carry out basic system maintenance in the same environment you were in when the backup cd was made. Mondo backs up your filesystem to cd. Before I started using linux I used a boot manager called BootIt Next Generation which also has partition imaging and is very easy to use. BootIt NG is available from http://www.TeraByteUnlimited.com and they have a 30-day trial version. It backs up any partition regardless of the filesystem type. You can make the installation floppy in linux, you don't have to have Windoze installed. I have actually backed up and later used the cds to restore my Windoze partition with BootIt NG and it was a breeze. Since I've been using linux I've been using tar and burning to cds to backup my home dir and other files. Although I do intend to check out the backuponcd app and run a script to do it for me while I sleep. HTH skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Sunday 03 February 2002 17:48, shane wrote: > once you get used to tar another option, if you find you haven't enough > room for a full backup is to (after a fresh install) make the "replication" > disk. you know where it asks if want to make an install disk that remebers > everything you just installed? then you only have to backup changes to > your system. after a total (and i mean _total_) failure you can use that > disk, the install cds, and the backup of your changes to get back to where > you were pretty fast. that is pretty much just a hack job and i sure it > could be done better, but hey what works works. > > not sure if you can make one of those disks after the install, maybe > someone else knows. You can still make the auto install disks in Mandrake Control Centre > Boot > Auto Install. -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:31:13 -0600 mike wrote: >What backup apps are there for LM 8.0 that actually work? > >Looked into Partimage but couldn't get / or /home to unmount to use . I think you need to reboot and run linux 1 (single user mode) for that. Paul -- Better wade back mid water than gang forward and drown. (Scottish Proverb) http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.7.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Sunday 03 February 2002 00:25, you wrote: > Chris Keelan wrote: > > Have a look at partimage: > > > > http://www.partimage.org/ > > > > It's an open source Norton Ghost/DriveImage clone. > > Tried it but can't unmount / or /home to use it on LM 8.0 > > Unless you know how ? > > Mike Tar and a CDRW is probably going to be your safest bet. It's very wasteful spacewise to back up an entire partition. A per-file backup gives you alot more flexibility in how much storage space you end up using, and what files you want to restore and what you don't. Especially if your primary concern is restoring home directory components after a distro new install. Then you get to pick and choose what gets put back and what doesnt. L8R !! LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Chris Keelan wrote: > > Have a look at partimage: > > http://www.partimage.org/ > > It's an open source Norton Ghost/DriveImage clone. > Tried it but can't unmount / or /home to use it on LM 8.0 Unless you know how ? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:12:54 -0600: In attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> transmitted: > tek1 wrote: > > > > if you want to make an image of your drive, try powerquest's driveimage: > > http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ > > > Works to restore LM 8.0 system > ? > > Mike Have a look at partimage: http://www.partimage.org/ It's an open source Norton Ghost/DriveImage clone. - C Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Saturday 02 February 2002 17:20, you spoke unto me thusly: > No flame intended, no problem, and i didn't and don't see it as flame, but one of the things i find most often is people asking the wrong question cause they don't know they are asking the wrong question. asking "what can i use to backup" when you might be better served by answers about something else if we only knew it. ya never know.. once you get used to tar another option, if you find you haven't enough room for a full backup is to (after a fresh install) make the "replication" disk. you know where it asks if want to make an install disk that remebers everything you just installed? then you only have to backup changes to your system. after a total (and i mean _total_) failure you can use that disk, the install cds, and the backup of your changes to get back to where you were pretty fast. that is pretty much just a hack job and i sure it could be done better, but hey what works works. not sure if you can make one of those disks after the install, maybe someone else knows. > Ps if you knew I wanted to know how , > It would have been nice to at least tell me something simple and basic > as others did. yeah, but sometimes, taoist that i am, i am just a jerk, what can say. call it a personality trait. ;-) > Sorry , didn't mean any rudeness. nor did i, just holding conversation and probing a bit to see what you actually needed to get done. another bit of (unwanted) advise, i think you said you run 8.0. i have used mandrake since 7.1 and while every version brings improvements, 8.1 made the biggest leap for me. you might try it out and find some of the reasons you need the backups go away. just a thought, and best of luck. -- Microsoft: Writing viruses has never been easier! shane registered linux user @ http://counter.li.org/ http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Saturday 02 February 2002 22:16, you wrote: Sorry. The tar -zxpvf was my mistake. > fixed my mistake > > Tried it - it worked ! ;-) > > wrote it all down > > backed that up > > all is good in the world tonite > > Thanks > > Mike McNeese > Springdale, Ar. > > -- > > if obstacles are what you see on your path . . . > then you've lost sight of your goal! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
check out the specs for the product. it says that it works on linux partitions, so it shouldn't matter what flavor of linux you're using... At 22:12 02/02/02 -0600, you wrote: >tek1 wrote: > > > > if you want to make an image of your drive, try powerquest's driveimage: > > http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ > > >Works to restore LM 8.0 system >? > >Mike > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
tek1 wrote: > > if you want to make an image of your drive, try powerquest's driveimage: > http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ Works to restore LM 8.0 system ? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
if you want to make an image of your drive, try powerquest's driveimage: http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ At 21:16 02/02/02 -0600, you wrote: >fixed my mistake > >Tried it - it worked ! ;-) > >wrote it all down > >backed that up > >all is good in the world tonite > >Thanks > >Mike McNeese >Springdale, Ar. > >-- > >if obstacles are what you see on your path . . . > then you've lost sight of your goal! > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
fixed my mistake Tried it - it worked ! ;-) wrote it all down backed that up all is good in the world tonite Thanks Mike McNeese Springdale, Ar. -- if obstacles are what you see on your path . . . then you've lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
Uhhh, the 'x' argument means extract. You want 'c' for create. At 09:50 PM 2/2/2002, you wrote: >got errors when I tried it > >see attached > >mike[mike@linux mike]$ tar -zxpvf /backup/home_dir.tar.gz * >tar (child): /backup/home_dir.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory >tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now >tar: Child returned status 2 >tar: bonus01.jpg: Not found in archive >tar: Desktop: Not found in archive >tar: earth.jpg: Not found in archive >tar: ILINXR.install: Not found in archive >tar: lm_sensors-2.4.5: Not found in archive >tar: lm_sensors-2.4.5.tar.gz: Not found in archive >tar: mad4lg.gif: Not found in archive >tar: mad9lg.gif: Not found in archive >tar: mandrake-faq.html: Not found in archive >tar: mentalic.tar.bz2: Not found in archive >tar: mnt: Not found in archive >tar: MPlayer-0.60: Not found in archive >tar: MPlayer-0.60.tar.bz2: Not found in archive >tar: nsmail: Not found in archive >tar: openoffice-6.0.5-1mdk.i586.rpm: Not found in archive >tar: OpenOffice.org641: Not found in archive >tar: proton.tar.bz2: Not found in archive >tar: tmp: Not found in archive >tar: w32codec-0.60.tar.bz2: Not found in archive >tar: WindowsMediaPlayer6.tar.bz2: Not found in archive >tar: xray-blue.boot: Not found in archive >tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
got errors when I tried it see attached mike [mike@linux mike]$ tar -zxpvf /backup/home_dir.tar.gz * tar (child): /backup/home_dir.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: bonus01.jpg: Not found in archive tar: Desktop: Not found in archive tar: earth.jpg: Not found in archive tar: ILINXR.install: Not found in archive tar: lm_sensors-2.4.5: Not found in archive tar: lm_sensors-2.4.5.tar.gz: Not found in archive tar: mad4lg.gif: Not found in archive tar: mad9lg.gif: Not found in archive tar: mandrake-faq.html: Not found in archive tar: mentalic.tar.bz2: Not found in archive tar: mnt: Not found in archive tar: MPlayer-0.60: Not found in archive tar: MPlayer-0.60.tar.bz2: Not found in archive tar: nsmail: Not found in archive tar: openoffice-6.0.5-1mdk.i586.rpm: Not found in archive tar: OpenOffice.org641: Not found in archive tar: proton.tar.bz2: Not found in archive tar: tmp: Not found in archive tar: w32codec-0.60.tar.bz2: Not found in archive tar: WindowsMediaPlayer6.tar.bz2: Not found in archive tar: xray-blue.boot: Not found in archive tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
On Saturday 02 February 2002 18:28, you wrote: Mike, I know how bad it can be when you're starting from ground zero. I had the same problems when I had to learn IBM Dos version 2 from scratch by myself. The syntax can be arcane and hard to understand at times. Plus, the man pages are not oriented to new users. The best source of information for new users are HOWTO resources, which list concrete real world examples, put forth in no nonsense easy to understand format. I appreciate these resources greatly because I did not have them 15 years ago when I got a generous crash course by an asshole administrator. There are many HOWTO's, but after checking I found precious little in the way of tar information. This was a little disturbing, as tar is a heavily used resource in the UNIX world. On discovering this, I empathized with your situation even more. To access this information locally on your system, assuming you've got a Mandrake system and I don't have any reason to assume otherwise, put the following in your browser: file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/index.html If by chance the docs are not installed, go to the following net resource: www.linuxdoc.org Since this is a new user's list, there should'nt be any subscribers that have any misplaced preconceptions concerning a list member's foreknowledge about anything regarding Mandrake Linux. Having said that, your original question concerned backup programs. That in itself tells us alot about what you are asking. First, whenever you are talking about a script or utility that does backups, it's generally desirable to be able to grab everything in a given location, plus save permissions and ownership information; not to mention the hidden .dotdirs. That's generally what backup programs do. If you tend to back your stuff up to CDRW like I do, you might want to make a tar.gz archive of your directory. In my case, I like to save the home user's directory to a tar.gz archive, then put it on CDRW temporarily until I've upgraded the system to the next latest distro. The following command will save everything unilaterally and keep all ownership and permissions information verbatim: cd /home tar -zxpvf /tmp/storage/home_dir.tar.gz * If you then want to view what you've done after you complete this, you go to the /tmp/storage directory and type: tar -ztpvf home_dir.tar.gz This doesn't do anything but pull a list of what's in the archive. The "z" option on the tar command line tells the program to process the archive with gzip, which gives it a respectable compression; saving you alot of space. Hope this gets you started. Email again if you've got further questions. LX > shane wrote: > > tar springs to mind. > > If I knew how to use tar to backup / or /home > > I would not have asked the question. > > would you mind to tell me how to do this ? > > > Just smugly saying tar ( Duh ) springs to mind, doesn't really answer > the question. > > For anyone reading this , most of us when we ask a question , we mean > > Ok, HOW do you do that? > > Mike > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
No flame intended, > so hang on, backup (pun intended) and tell us just what you are doing and > why. I want to backup the system ( meaning the whole system / , and /home included ) because i'm very tired of reinstalling ( no negativity intended just trying to be honest ) every time I try to update something and it breaks something else, or i try to install some app which is supposed to work with my distro, ( LM 8.0 stock kernel 2.4.3-20mdk ) I have everything working well now and have only to install a new scsi card ( ava aha-2906 ) when it gets here to try and get my umax astra 600s ( scanner ) working. I want to an extreme degree to not have anything windows on by box. and have been using Mandrake for three years or so ( maybe I'm a little slower on the uptake than others ) but I still have trouble with some simple things which stop me from completely removing windows. a way to make a simple backup which i can use to restore the system is one. To clarify more exactly: I have a cdrw and can use it to burn a disk, and would like to make a linux restore cd if possible. short of that i can backup to another hd ( There are three in the box, hda=windows hdc5/6/7=/,swap/home Lm8.0 hdd5=/backup ) If there is a different or simpler way tell me. Thanks. Ps if you knew I wanted to know how , It would have been nice to at least tell me something simple and basic as others did. Sorry , didn't mean any rudeness. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] backup app for LM 8.0
mike wrote: > What backup apps are there for LM 8.0 that actually work? > > Looked into Partimage but couldn't get / or /home to unmount to use . > > Help ? > > Mike > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > If you have a CD-R or CDRW, try scdbackup (Use that as a search key on Google). Civileme And don't expect to be able to unmount / ever--the system would stop working, just as if you had issued killall5 from a console. You can unmount /home if it is a separate partition and you are logged in as root. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
