Re: [newbie] pppd dies

[Erylon Hines]

On Saturday 25 October 2003 11:38 am, Warren Post wrote:
> El mié, 22-10-2003 a las 13:01, John Richard Smith escribió:
> > Other factors,
> > Line quality,
>
> Well, that's probably it then. The problem is more acute when it's
> raining.

Guess I'm just going to have to learn to be
> more patient. Ah, the joys of government monopolies.

You might try adding something like, MS=V34B,33600 to your modem string, so 
that your modem doesn't expect to be part of a faster connection.  This is 
mine (your's will be different because you likely have a different 
manufacturer, but you can experiment):

ATW2&F+MS=V34B,1,0,33600

In the U.S. private companies aren't any better.  I'm stuck with a 31.2k 
maximum connection speed because of bad copper.  And, the exchange I'm on is 
an ancient analog, so DSL would require not only new lines but new 
switchgear.  The local privopoly telco is only required by the gov't to 
furnish 14.4k (fax) capability.  In rural areas like mine, there isn't any 
profit incentive to force them to upgrade.  GR


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Re: [newbie] pppd dies

[John Richard Smith]

Warren Post wrote:

El mié, 22-10-2003 a las 13:01, John Richard Smith escribió:

 

Other factors,
Line quality,
   

Well, that's probably it then. The problem is more acute when it's
raining, and I'm dialing in over phone lines that our government telco
splices with masking tape. Guess I'm just going to have to learn to be
more patient. Ah, the joys of government monopolies.
 

I know what you mean . Until privatisation the then GPO came along and 
dug my road up 10 times a year repairing rain faulted connections, after 
privatising it to BT, we pointed out the rate of repair and they 
replaced the entire line one weekend, and they haven't had to come again 
in over 10 years.What is more they now have 10 times as many customers 
and lines in use.

John

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Re: [newbie] pppd dies

[Warren Post]

El mié, 22-10-2003 a las 13:01, John Richard Smith escribió:

> Other factors,
> Line quality,

Well, that's probably it then. The problem is more acute when it's
raining, and I'm dialing in over phone lines that our government telco
splices with masking tape. Guess I'm just going to have to learn to be
more patient. Ah, the joys of government monopolies.

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[newbie] pppd dies

[Warren Post]

Most, but not every, time that I try to connect to the net, pppd dies
within 5 seconds with an exit code #10. /var/log/daemons/errors says:

Oct 20 15:03:40 gerencia pppd[2104]: Could not determine local IP
address

What could cause pppd to be unable to determine a local IP address, and
what can I do to correct this?
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Re: [newbie] pppd dies ????????

[L. H. LOO]

Liz,
FYI,
I use kppp; when 'pppd died unexpectedly' I set the following :
modem time out = 360
modem busy wait = 1
modem pre-init delay = 1
modem post-init delay = 3
guard time = 255
pppd time out = 360
YMMV, HTH


At 22-02-2001 +, you wrote:
>hi
>everytime i try to get online i get "the pppd daemon died unexpectedly" with
>the blow log file
>
>Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: By default the remote system is
>required to authenticate itself
>Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (because this system has a default
>route to the internet)
>Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret
>(password) for it to use to do so.
>Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (None of the available passwords would
>let it use an IP address.)
>
>
>if i then try to dial up as root i get the same problem with a different
>debug log
>
>Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
>Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Using interface ppp0
>Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
>Feb 22 14:19:25 localhost pppd[3854]: Peer is not authorized to use remote
>address 212.161.112.68
>Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connection terminated.
>Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect time 0.1 minutes.
>Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Sent 311 bytes, received 295 bytes.
>Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Exit.
>
>in both cases it dials up and handshakes ok but fails at the last bit,
>
>i dont know if this is important or not but i have been trying to get a lan
>setup between this and my own  pc
>using the network configuration tool in drakconf
>thankz
>David

Re: [newbie] pppd dies ????????

[angry]

edit /etc/ppp/options
add the line

noauth

that'll fix it

Liz wrote:

> hi
> everytime i try to get online i get "the pppd daemon died unexpectedly" with
> the blow log file
>
> Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: By default the remote system is
> required to authenticate itself
> Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (because this system has a default
> route to the internet)
> Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret
> (password) for it to use to do so.
> Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (None of the available passwords would
> let it use an IP address.)
>
> if i then try to dial up as root i get the same problem with a different
> debug log
>
> Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
> Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Using interface ppp0
> Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
> Feb 22 14:19:25 localhost pppd[3854]: Peer is not authorized to use remote
> address 212.161.112.68
> Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connection terminated.
> Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect time 0.1 minutes.
> Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Sent 311 bytes, received 295 bytes.
> Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Exit.
>
> in both cases it dials up and handshakes ok but fails at the last bit,
>
> i dont know if this is important or not but i have been trying to get a lan
> setup between this and my own  pc
> using the network configuration tool in drakconf
> thankz
> David

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Re: [newbie] pppd dies ????????

[David Nelson]

On Thursday 22 February 2001 09:09 am, Liz wrote:
> hi
> everytime i try to get online i get "the pppd daemon died unexpectedly"
> with the blow log file
>
> Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: By default the remote system is
> required to authenticate itself

Check out the instructions at tht following url, with their help I was able 
to get ppp working and dialing on demand with little problem. BTW reading the 
pppd and chat man pages will probably help also. The docs for ppp which are 
in /usr/share/doc/ppp-2.4.0, are also worth a look.


HTH
David Nelson

[newbie] pppd dies ????????

[Liz]

hi
everytime i try to get online i get "the pppd daemon died unexpectedly" with
the blow log file

Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: By default the remote system is
required to authenticate itself
Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (because this system has a default
route to the internet)
Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret
(password) for it to use to do so.
Feb 21 22:22:18 localhost pppd[943]: (None of the available passwords would
let it use an IP address.)


if i then try to dial up as root i get the same problem with a different
debug log

Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Using interface ppp0
Feb 22 14:19:22 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Feb 22 14:19:25 localhost pppd[3854]: Peer is not authorized to use remote
address 212.161.112.68
Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connection terminated.
Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Connect time 0.1 minutes.
Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Sent 311 bytes, received 295 bytes.
Feb 22 14:19:26 localhost pppd[3854]: Exit.

in both cases it dials up and handshakes ok but fails at the last bit,

i dont know if this is important or not but i have been trying to get a lan
setup between this and my own  pc
using the network configuration tool in drakconf
thankz
David

Re: [newbie] PPPD dies unexpectedly

[David Raleigh Arnold]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded from 7.0 to 7.1. My 56k external USR modem did great with
> 7.0.
> However, I have followed the HOWTO's and simply cannot get PPPD to function
> in 7.2.
> The modem connects just great everytime, but not PPPD. Any help would be
> appreciated. I am considering going back to 7.0
> 
> Carl
delete the contents of /etc/resolv.conf

Re: [newbie] PPPD dies unexpectedly

[Andrew]

On Sat, 09 Dec 2000, you wrote:
> I just upgraded from 7.0 to 7.1. My 56k external USR modem did great with
> 7.0.
> However, I have followed the HOWTO's and simply cannot get PPPD to function
> in 7.2.
> The modem connects just great everytime, but not PPPD. Any help would be
> appreciated. I am considering going back to 7.0
> 
> Carl

PPPD connects about one out of three times for me.  I am running 7.0  
7.0 seems to be a more bug free distro than 7.2 thats for sure.  I never could
find 7.1 in my area.  I am waiting to get 7.2 untill it has been out for a
while.

Andrew

Re: [newbie] PPPD dies unexpectedly

[L. H. LOO]

At 09-12-2000 -0500, you wrote:
>I just upgraded from 7.0 to 7.1.
>Carl

Suggest read the article "Killer PPP" in Maximum Linux Nov/Dec 2000 the 
instructions are very good. If still no go, mail me private; I will list my 
modem commands, since I am also using L-M 7.1 Regards.

Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Dennis Myers]

Dennis here again, I forgot to mention that the "mem=256" is done at the
lilo prompt , it is actually probably easier to see that it happens if
you do as Paul says and make the " append" in  /etc/lilo.config, sorry,
I must be carefull not to tell only half of the story.

Paul wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Paul wrote:
>
> >append="256M"
>
> Okay, I know. This is wrong.
>
> append="mem=256M"
>
> is more like it.
>
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>
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Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Dennis Myers]

Whoa, wait,  I think you are wrong and it should be as Paul said " mem=256m"
better make sure cause things might get flakey otherwise.   The above is how
"O'Reilly Running Linux "  says to do it.  Luck ,  Dennis

Christopher Mills Wolfe wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found
>
> > On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Kyle Parfrey wrote:
> >
> > >2) Only 64mb of my 256mb of ram is recognised. In the installation in
> > >the field total ram , (found 64mb) i put in 256. If I reinstall how can
> > >I get all my ram to work?
> >
> > If you run Lilo as boot manager, you can add
> > append="256M"
> > to /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo again and reboot. That should take care of
> > things.
> > For grub, you can consult man grub how to do it, I don't recall off my
> > head.
> >
> > I hope another modem user can help you with ppp.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
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> > sweat, tears, or the sea.
> >
> > http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
> >   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
> >
> >
>
> I believe that you must input the ram total 256x1024=262144 for it to work.
> What modem
> are you using?
>
> chris
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Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Paul]

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Paul wrote:

>append="256M"

Okay, I know. This is wrong.

append="mem=256M"

is more like it.

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Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Christopher Mills Wolfe]

- Original Message -
From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found


> On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Kyle Parfrey wrote:
>
> >2) Only 64mb of my 256mb of ram is recognised. In the installation in
> >the field total ram , (found 64mb) i put in 256. If I reinstall how can
> >I get all my ram to work?
>
> If you run Lilo as boot manager, you can add
> append="256M"
> to /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo again and reboot. That should take care of
> things.
> For grub, you can consult man grub how to do it, I don't recall off my
> head.
>
> I hope another modem user can help you with ppp.
>
> Paul
>
> --
> All problems can be solved by salt water:
> sweat, tears, or the sea.
>
> http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
>   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
>
>

I believe that you must input the ram total 256x1024=262144 for it to work.
What modem
are you using?


chris
 
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Re: [newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Paul]

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Kyle Parfrey wrote:

>2) Only 64mb of my 256mb of ram is recognised. In the installation in
>the field total ram , (found 64mb) i put in 256. If I reinstall how can
>I get all my ram to work?

If you run Lilo as boot manager, you can add 
append="256M"
to /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo again and reboot. That should take care of
things.
For grub, you can consult man grub how to do it, I don't recall off my
head.

I hope another modem user can help you with ppp.

Paul

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[newbie] pppd dies and not all ram found

[Kyle Parfrey]

Hi all.
I have installed mdk 7.1 and am very happy with it apart from two serious things:
1) I can't get ppp to work. Using kppp I input my dialup no , and after it connects I 
get a message saying "pppd has died unexpectedly". I get the message as soon as I try 
to connect with gnome ppp.  I have not entered the ips of my ISP, I don't know them 
and didn't need them with caldera. Would this have caused it, and if so can I put in 
0.0.0.0 for both dns servers (this is what is in it for caldera and it works). I did a 
whole fresh install and it still was happening.

2) Only 64mb of my 256mb of ram is recognised. In the installation in the field total 
ram , (found 64mb) i put in 256. If I reinstall how can I get all my ram to work?

If these two probs can be fixed I would reinstall mandrake (for the 4th time...), I 
liked it loads apart from them. 
Thanks all,
Kyle


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Re: [newbie] pppd dies

[poogle]

Does your ISP use PAP or CHAP authentication ? Check you are using the correct
option, could try entering login names and password under the login scripts tab

On Wed, 03 May 2000, you wrote:
> I hope you don't mind to answer this question. I know it has been
> answered a billion times but It's just I used to have a Cable-Modem
> connection, but now I have to configure my internet con. with kppp.
> 
> The whole thing goes just find (the modem answers to a query) until I
> tried to connect... then the following message appears:
> 
> localhost pppd[]: The remote system is required to authenticate
> itself but I
> localhost pppd[]: couldn't find any secret (password) which would
> let it use an IP address.
> 
> What am I doing wrong? Could you please answer to this question one more
> time.

Re(2): [newbie] pppd dies

[Kirk McElhearn]

On 3/05/00, at 8:14, Joseph S. Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> localhost pppd[]: The remote system is required to authenticate
>> itself but I
>> localhost pppd[]: couldn't find any secret (password) which would
>> let it use an IP address.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? Could you please answer to this question one more
>> time.
>
>try adding"noauth"   (without quotes) to the argument section in your
>kppp setup


I have the same problem.  I did the above, but it only lets me do it as
root.  I was finally able to connect, but got nowhere - even though I
have set my ISPs DNS correctly, kppp  seemed unable to resolve any domain
names

Kirk

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Re: [newbie] pppd dies

[Joseph S. Gardner]

MC_Vai wrote:

> I hope you don't mind to answer this question. I know it has been
> answered a billion times but It's just I used to have a Cable-Modem
> connection, but now I have to configure my internet con. with kppp.
>
> The whole thing goes just find (the modem answers to a query) until I
> tried to connect... then the following message appears:
>
> localhost pppd[]: The remote system is required to authenticate
> itself but I
> localhost pppd[]: couldn't find any secret (password) which would
> let it use an IP address.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Could you please answer to this question one more
> time.

try adding"noauth"   (without quotes) to the argument section in your
kppp setup


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[newbie] pppd dies

[MC_Vai]

I hope you don't mind to answer this question. I know it has been
answered a billion times but It's just I used to have a Cable-Modem
connection, but now I have to configure my internet con. with kppp.

The whole thing goes just find (the modem answers to a query) until I
tried to connect... then the following message appears:

localhost pppd[]: The remote system is required to authenticate
itself but I
localhost pppd[]: couldn't find any secret (password) which would
let it use an IP address.

What am I doing wrong? Could you please answer to this question one more
time.

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Guillermo Belli]

I also get this message from kppp, but I get it as root. When I try a second
time it connects without problems. this was since I upgraded to kernel 2.2.5.

On dom, 16 may 1999, you wrote:
> Many many thanks. I will try.
> And I hate Windows, but I have to do my work.
> Any idea about the pppd unexpectedly dying in user?
> It works fine in root.
> Bela
> 
> Lyndon Lininger Sr. wrote:
> > 
> > Your problem in redhat 6.0 is easy to fix. After you boot up. In the kde
> > environment use the file manager and go to kppp. I believe it is in
> > /bin/kppp.  Right click on it and choose properties. When that window pops
> > up goto permissions and set the suid bit. Close it down and reboot. It will
> > work fine from then on. Hope this helps. I will never go back to windows.
> > 
> > Lyndon Lininger Sr.

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Martin Barnard]

Steve Philp wrote:

> Bela Lantos wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Since I installed Mandrake 5.3 I have problem with pppd dying unexpectedly
> > because of timeout. Even though I increased timeout to 2 min, it still dies.
> 

Strange that, I can't even get kppp to work at all. I had to resort to a suite of
home grown shell scripts (Some of them 'borrowed from Debian :-)

> Turn on debugging and see if anything obvious pops up.  Check your log
> files and see if anything is listed there when the connection is
> dropped.

Debugging don't give me any info ('cept the last msg is starting pppd & then
disconnect after a few mins - timeout?)


> Do you need gpm?  It doesn't sound like you're very comfortable at the
> command line, so I'm wondering if it's even necessary for you to run
> it.  If you don't need it, turn it off.



--Come to think of it, my mouse seems to have been causing xcrashes (PS2) when I
switch from shell to desktop - A device/resource busy error. Anyone else had this
problem? If so, maybe we could identify the trouble; I do use console a lot &
therefore want to keep gpm.



> Linux on your personal machine IS NOT and will NEVER be like running
> Windows.  Windows allows you to be an end-user.  No sense in worrying
> about where you files are stored or how to configure your POP client to
> retrieve your mail -- Windows will take care of that for you.  Linux
> forces you to be an administrator.  This is a powerful system that
> allows you to undertake tasks in a variety of ways.  It's up to YOU to
> make something of it.
>

<--8><>

I know, fun isn't it ;-)


>
> So quit stomping your feet and tossing a temper tantrum and ask for help
> WITHOUT the "threats" to give up Linux.  You'll get alot further.
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Birchall, Richard]

Steve Philp [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] said:

>Turn on debugging and see if anything obvious pops up.  Check your
>log files and see if anything is listed there when the connection
>is dropped.


For fellow newbies:

A useful tip I found in a PPP "help" page.   To view the debugging messages:

Edit /etc/syslog.conf.  Change where it says:
*.info
to:
*.debug

(Don't forget to switch this back after you get your ppp connection
working!)

Then stop & restart the syslogd daemon.
killall -HUP syslogd
syslogd

Add the following line to /etc/ppp/options:
debug

While you are trying your ppp connection (I recommend trying to get it
working with kppp first), open another console window, then type:
tail -f /var/log/messages

Now leave that console window open.  This is a cool feature.  This console
window will now display all the debugging messages, as they occur.



>Do you need gpm?  It doesn't sound like you're very comfortable at
>the command line, so I'm wondering if it's even necessary for you
>to run it.  If you don't need it, turn it off.  Problem solved.

When I am out of X Window, I like to be able to copy & paste info at the
shell prompt.  For example listing a rpm file, then copying that file name
to the rpm command that I am making.  Saves typing those long file names!
The middle mouse button is your friend.


>> I also installed Red Hat 6 on another partition. It is missing kpackage
and
>> glint, which is a very ugly error from Red Hat.

I tried installing kpackage in Red Hat 6.0, from the KDE.org rpm file.   It
doesn't work (doesn't display the installed packages).I would just wait
for kpackage to be fixed.   In the meantime, GnoRPM is pretty good.   And
it's a good chance to hone your command line skills with rpm!


Richard

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Bela Lantos]

On Mon, 17 May 1999, you wrote:
> Bela Lantos wrote:
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Since I installed Mandrake 5.3 I have problem with pppd dying unexpectedly
> > because of timeout. Even though I increased timeout to 2 min, it still dies.
> > However, if I dial again, the second time it connects OK. This problem doesn't
> > exist if I dial in as ROOT, only as user. It wasn't so in Mandrake 5.2. I am so
> > disappointed with it, that I am going to dump Linux from my desktop and stick
> > with Win95. At least it doesn't double my phone bill.
> 
> Turn on debugging and see if anything obvious pops up.  Check your log
> files and see if anything is listed there when the connection is
> dropped.
> 
> > 5.3 would also hang if I tried to shutdown with CTRL_ALT_DELETE at the killing
> > of the gpm daemon -> corrupted file system. My mouse is a serial mouse. My
> > friend's is a PS/2, he doesn't have this problem. I uninstalled the
> > "initscript", and installed the one from Mandrake 5.2. It works fine.
> 
> Do you need gpm? 

I didn't start it myself. It was started automatically after installation. Of
course, I need the mouse.

 It doesn't sound like you're very comfortable at the
> command line, so I'm wondering if it's even necessary for you to run
> it. 

I know the command line as much as someone who just came out of the DOS world.

 If you don't need it, turn it off.  Problem solved.  And if there
> IS a bug, how about submitting it to Mandrakesoft through something a
> bit more 'official' than the newbie mailing list? 

I did that, too, but received no help. They told me to come to the newsgroups.

 It's been a while
> since I've seen Gael or anyone else affiliated with Mandrakesoft posting
> to this list.
>  
> > I also installed Red Hat 6 on another partition. It is missing kpackage and
> > glint, which is a very ugly error from Red Hat. Pppd works fine as ROOT, but
> > when I try to bring up kppp the following is the message:
> 
> What does this have to do with Mandrake, might I ask? 

Nothing right now, unless Mandrake leaves every settings where Red Hat left.

 As for it missing
> kpackage and glint, who REALLY cares?  Glint sucked rocks through a
> straw!  Try gnorpm or (horror of horrors!) the command line!  As for
> kpackage, I tried it with Mandrake and just gave up on it. 

Kpackage worked fine for me, no problem. Glint was excellent in some ways.

 While
> uninstalling packages, it would magically up and lose root privileges
> every few minutes forcing me to restart the program.  Thanks, but no
> thanks.
>  
> > "pppd is not properly installed!
> > The pppd binary must be installed with the SUID bit set.
> > Contact your system administrator."
> 
> And if you use the supported tools, it works just fine.  Odd, that.  Try
> configuring with netcfg and using '/sbin/ifup ppp0' and '/sbin/ifdown
> ppp0' and everything is fine.  Be sure to check the box that says 'Allow
> users to activate the interface', else normal users will get an error
> when they try to dialup.

No, the answer was posted to me: as root you have to set UID for /usr/bin/kppp.

>  
> > I click OK to the message, then try to dial with kppp, and the following is the
> > message:
> > 
> > "Sorry, can't create modem lock file."
> 
> So check the permissions on the /var/lock directory to make sure your
> user can write there.

I am the user. (And the root as well.)

> 
> > Do these Linux companies know what they are doing? Since Red Hat received so
> > much investment, and Mandrake became successful their products are not worth
> > buying unless you are a programming guru who can fix the ugly errors.
> 
> This KPPP problem doesn't exist on my copy of Mandrake, and I haven't
> seen any other postings about 'works as root, not as user' from anyone
> else in the past 3 or 4 months that I've been using Mandrake.

The same problem happened to my friend.

> 
> As for the 'programming guru' comment, I'll be the first to admit that I
> couldn't code my way out of a paper bag.  My Mandrake installation and
> subsequent use has been completely trouble-free and without any need to
> program anything.

Mine was also, except for troubles with dialling in, and with the shutdown.
These were not present in Mandrake 5.2. After replaceing Mandrake 5.3's
initscript with 5.2's one, everything works fine. --> Bug in the initscript in
5.3 (at least with some serial mice).

> 
> > I am very upset about their carelessness. Linux will not win the hearts of
> > people this way. I am now not recommending it to anyone until it will be
> > praised on the newsgroups.
> 
> I'm sick and tired of people posting to this mailing list who've seen a
> mention of Linux somewhere, bought a distribution, installed it, and now
> stare blankly at the monitor wondering what they hell they're supposed
> to do.  And when something doesn't work exactly the way they think it
> should, they're completely baffled as to what to do!  Linux provides you
> with more debugging informatio

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Steve Philp]

Bela Lantos wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Since I installed Mandrake 5.3 I have problem with pppd dying unexpectedly
> because of timeout. Even though I increased timeout to 2 min, it still dies.
> However, if I dial again, the second time it connects OK. This problem doesn't
> exist if I dial in as ROOT, only as user. It wasn't so in Mandrake 5.2. I am so
> disappointed with it, that I am going to dump Linux from my desktop and stick
> with Win95. At least it doesn't double my phone bill.

Turn on debugging and see if anything obvious pops up.  Check your log
files and see if anything is listed there when the connection is
dropped.

> 5.3 would also hang if I tried to shutdown with CTRL_ALT_DELETE at the killing
> of the gpm daemon -> corrupted file system. My mouse is a serial mouse. My
> friend's is a PS/2, he doesn't have this problem. I uninstalled the
> "initscript", and installed the one from Mandrake 5.2. It works fine.

Do you need gpm?  It doesn't sound like you're very comfortable at the
command line, so I'm wondering if it's even necessary for you to run
it.  If you don't need it, turn it off.  Problem solved.  And if there
IS a bug, how about submitting it to Mandrakesoft through something a
bit more 'official' than the newbie mailing list?  It's been a while
since I've seen Gael or anyone else affiliated with Mandrakesoft posting
to this list.
 
> I also installed Red Hat 6 on another partition. It is missing kpackage and
> glint, which is a very ugly error from Red Hat. Pppd works fine as ROOT, but
> when I try to bring up kppp the following is the message:

What does this have to do with Mandrake, might I ask?  As for it missing
kpackage and glint, who REALLY cares?  Glint sucked rocks through a
straw!  Try gnorpm or (horror of horrors!) the command line!  As for
kpackage, I tried it with Mandrake and just gave up on it.  While
uninstalling packages, it would magically up and lose root privileges
every few minutes forcing me to restart the program.  Thanks, but no
thanks.
 
> "pppd is not properly installed!
> The pppd binary must be installed with the SUID bit set.
> Contact your system administrator."

And if you use the supported tools, it works just fine.  Odd, that.  Try
configuring with netcfg and using '/sbin/ifup ppp0' and '/sbin/ifdown
ppp0' and everything is fine.  Be sure to check the box that says 'Allow
users to activate the interface', else normal users will get an error
when they try to dialup.
 
> I click OK to the message, then try to dial with kppp, and the following is the
> message:
> 
> "Sorry, can't create modem lock file."

So check the permissions on the /var/lock directory to make sure your
user can write there.

> Do these Linux companies know what they are doing? Since Red Hat received so
> much investment, and Mandrake became successful their products are not worth
> buying unless you are a programming guru who can fix the ugly errors.

This KPPP problem doesn't exist on my copy of Mandrake, and I haven't
seen any other postings about 'works as root, not as user' from anyone
else in the past 3 or 4 months that I've been using Mandrake.

As for the 'programming guru' comment, I'll be the first to admit that I
couldn't code my way out of a paper bag.  My Mandrake installation and
subsequent use has been completely trouble-free and without any need to
program anything.

> I am very upset about their carelessness. Linux will not win the hearts of
> people this way. I am now not recommending it to anyone until it will be
> praised on the newsgroups.

I'm sick and tired of people posting to this mailing list who've seen a
mention of Linux somewhere, bought a distribution, installed it, and now
stare blankly at the monitor wondering what they hell they're supposed
to do.  And when something doesn't work exactly the way they think it
should, they're completely baffled as to what to do!  Linux provides you
with more debugging information that you could ever imagine -- if you
know where to look for it (hint, try /var/log)

Linux on your personal machine IS NOT and will NEVER be like running
Windows.  Windows allows you to be an end-user.  No sense in worrying
about where you files are stored or how to configure your POP client to
retrieve your mail -- Windows will take care of that for you.  Linux
forces you to be an administrator.  This is a powerful system that
allows you to undertake tasks in a variety of ways.  It's up to YOU to
make something of it.

So quit stomping your feet and tossing a temper tantrum and ask for help
WITHOUT the "threats" to give up Linux.  You'll get alot further.

-- 
Steve Philp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Bela Lantos]

Many many thanks. I will try.
And I hate Windows, but I have to do my work.
Any idea about the pppd unexpectedly dying in user?
It works fine in root.
Bela

Lyndon Lininger Sr. wrote:
> 
> Your problem in redhat 6.0 is easy to fix. After you boot up. In the kde
> environment use the file manager and go to kppp. I believe it is in
> /bin/kppp.  Right click on it and choose properties. When that window pops
> up goto permissions and set the suid bit. Close it down and reboot. It will
> work fine from then on. Hope this helps. I will never go back to windows.
> 
> Lyndon Lininger Sr.

Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly

[Pliler Main Unit]

Glutton for punishment , huh?
Will

- Original Message -
From: Lyndon Lininger Sr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly


> Your problem in redhat 6.0 is easy to fix. After you boot up. In the kde
> environment use the file manager and go to kppp. I believe it is in
> /bin/kppp.  Right click on it and choose properties. When that window pops
> up goto permissions and set the suid bit. Close it down and reboot. It
will
> work fine from then on. Hope this helps. I will never go back to windows.
>
> Lyndon Lininger Sr.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Bela Lantos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 6:15 PM
> Subject: [newbie] Pppd dies unexpectedly
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Since I installed Mandrake 5.3 I have problem with pppd dying
unexpectedly
> > because of timeout. Even though I increased timeout to 2 min, it still
> dies.
> > However, if I dial again, the second time it connects OK. This problem
> doesn't
> > exist if I dial in as ROOT, only as user. It wasn't so in Mandrake 5.2.
I
> am so
> > disappointed with it, that I am going to dump Linux from my desktop and
> stick
> > with Win95. At least it doesn't double my phone bill.
> >
> > 5.3 would also hang if I tried to shutdown with CTRL_ALT_DELETE at the
> killing
> > of the gpm daemon -> corrupted file system. My mouse is a serial mouse.
My
> > friend's is a PS/2, he doesn't have this problem. I uninstalled the
> > "initscript", and installed the one from Mandrake 5.2. It works fine.
> >
> > I also installed Red Hat 6 on another partition. It is missing kpackage
> and
> > glint, which is a very ugly error from Red Hat. Pppd works fine as ROOT,
> but
> > when I try to bring up kppp the following is the message:
> >
> > "pppd is not properly installed!
> > The pppd binary must be installed with the SUID bit set.
> > Contact your system administrator."
> >
> > I click OK to the message, then try to dial with kppp, and the following
> is the
> > message:
> >
> > "Sorry, can't create modem lock file."
> >
> > Do these Linux companies know what they are doing? Since Red Hat
received
> so
> > much investment, and Mandrake became successful their products are not
> worth
> > buying unless you are a programming guru who can fix the ugly errors.
> >
> > I am very upset about their carelessness. Linux will not win the hearts
of
> > people this way. I am now not recommending it to anyone until it will be
> > praised on the newsgroups.
> >
> > Bela
>