Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:45:39 +0200 Vincent Voois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Packard Bell AKA Packard Hell, there is not any harder pain in the ass you can > mention than Packard Bell. > It's even harder to install Linux on it. Long time ago, I had one of those things. 386sx it was, purchased from Montgomery Wards. I did manage to install linux but that was the early days and I didn't have much in the way of modern hardware -- I needed to get a real monitor and a better video card to run X at anywhere near acceptable levels. It otherwise worked fine even in 4 megs of RAM - this was back in the SLS days :). Of course, even with text terminals and 4 megs of ram (later upgraded to 8 megs -- woohoo) it just kicked a$$ and ran rings around Windows (3.1) and Desqview. For instance, I couldn't run my HST modem at high speed in 3.1 but could in Linux :). On the downside, there were some bad design issues with the thing (f.e., uarts soldered on the motherboard) and early on developed a problem with the floppies. Since it was still under warranty, I opted for factory service, which turned out to be a three month wait. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Friday 27 August 2004 07:42, Stephen Kühn wrote: > Microsoft is their own worst enemy. Linus Torvalds said the best thing he has goiing for him is that he is not Bill Gates... -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 20:17, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 05:58, Amy wrote: Hey everyone! Anyhow, thanks for all the help you've given me thus far, and thanks in advance for putting up with me as I start off on this adventure of bringing my technologically inept father out of the evil embrace of windows. ^_^ Amy Very good. We stand ready to help! LX I'm sitting in front of an XP Home SP2 box right now - it's borked beyond anything other than backing it up, and reloading it. On top of that, the client installed "Norton Internet Security" - which, together with SP2, caused this thing to go south faster than a speeding penquin. To top it all off, it's a "Packard-Bell" machine. Packard Bell AKA Packard Hell, there is not any harder pain in the ass you can mention than Packard Bell. It's even harder to install Linux on it. I never ceases to amaze me the crap that the public THINKS is a viable desktop, a viable operating system. Once SP2 was carefully removed (for testing purposes) the machine was snappy (even though it's a rather low end, 128mb box). What is Microsoft doing? Do they realise that the next What do you expect from XP when your box only has 128MB, it's the minimum, but don't expect XP to run godspeed on such a limited box. year they're going to see even more converts over to non-Microsoft OS's just because of the fact that they can't get anything straight or anything fixed in the first place? XP is good for a stand-alone game-box and DTP box. For the Internet and server purposes i would recon Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Vincent Voois wrote: > Yeah, but it will be very fast running full with new exploits to close down and you > will be spending the next two years > downloading security patches and service packs (which will ofcourse make it very > very slow again) and updating your anti-virus > software every day in the hope some virus maker didn't beat them to it on your > system. > > With Windows:You'll at least gonna be very busy with IT. (but not with what you > really want to do on it) I'm thinking of changing business directions anywyas; I'm spiritually sick and tired of Microsoft Windows (since v.1.0) and have found a nice niche market for linux...I think I want to concentrate my efforts that way instead. I feel better "karma" in dealing with linux solutions. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Almost anything derogatory you could say about today's software design would be accurate. -- K.E. Iverson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 10:57, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:16 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! Ummm, the way things are going, that could be like, 2050... ;-) If you haven't been reading up on it, when Wrongborn DOES come out, it's not going to be the originally promised product (again); so once again, Microsplat is going to stick an unfinished, incomplete product down the throats of the public and it's licensed corporations; if I were a corporate entity that PAID FULL PRICE for my MS Licensing 6.0, I'd be filing suit for undelivered product. Yeah, but it will be very fast running full with new exploits to close down and you will be spending the next two years downloading security patches and service packs (which will ofcourse make it very very slow again) and updating your anti-virus software every day in the hope some virus maker didn't beat them to it on your system. With Windows:You'll at least gonna be very busy with IT. (but not with what you really want to do on it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Another improvement to computiing by those famous vendors of high quality vapourware...Steve Gates and Bill Balmer...or is it Bill Gates and Steve Balmer, I can never get that right :) Can't blame you, they're both fat and ugly. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:31, John Wilson wrote: > On August 27, 2004 04:28 am, Lanman wrote: > > > > > > > Now for my 2 cents,... > > > > Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to > > Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a > > huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! > > > > Lanman > > That's if and when Longhorn ever see's the light of day. The longer it's > delayed the more it starts to sound like XP The Next Generation. > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5326850.html > > A lot of it's alleged improvements are gonna be slipstreamed into XP by > Christmas this year so that M$ actually has something new to sell. And, if > ZDNet is to be believed (and it can't be always) the wonderful new WinFS file > system will be released as beta with Longhorn in 2006/2007 or whenever. > > Another improvement to computiing by those famous vendors of high quality > vapourware...Steve Gates and Bill Balmer...or is it Bill Gates and Steve > Balmer, I can never get that right :) > > ttfn > > John Same old story, same old song and dance. Vapourware. Marketing. Promises that won't get kept. MS Licensing 6.0; the biggest lie. A new product every two years. Makes you wonder how many corporate entities paid out for that one... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. You have a message from the operator. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 07:17, Amy wrote: > Well, I'm hoping I'll get my dad trained properly when I switch him. It > only took some pressure before he gave in and gave up TV A/V hookup duty > to me for all of his TVs. ^_^ It's amazing that the TV related stuff has > worked much better since he stopped touching anything but the remotes > and whatever is needed on each device to load tapes or DVDs. > > I'm hoping getting that sort of cooperation from him in regards to the > computer won't be too far behind. ^_^ Stand tall and firm, don't bend, always lead by example. Father's DO have a tendency to muck around with things - that is when a good stiff horse crop comes in handy...(g) -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Our houseplants have a good sense of humous. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 06:48, Amy wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 27 August 2004 04:58, Amy wrote: Just one suggestion dont tell yor father or brother what the root password is. Oh you can bet they won't know that 'til I've moved out and given up giving them tech support. ^_^ I know better than to let them install stuff. Who knows what amazing shit would end up on the computer! It's too bad I can't lock down my client's boxes as it would alleviate so much problem and hassle; at least, though, with my folks (even though they're 10,000km's away) they follow instructions to a T and always consult with me prior to installing or downloading something...HA! Gottem trained... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Well, I'm hoping I'll get my dad trained properly when I switch him. It only took some pressure before he gave in and gave up TV A/V hookup duty to me for all of his TVs. ^_^ It's amazing that the TV related stuff has worked much better since he stopped touching anything but the remotes and whatever is needed on each device to load tapes or DVDs. I'm hoping getting that sort of cooperation from him in regards to the computer won't be too far behind. ^_^ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 06:48, Amy wrote: > Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > On Friday 27 August 2004 04:58, Amy wrote: > > Just one suggestion dont tell yor father or brother what the root > > password is. > > > Oh you can bet they won't know that 'til I've moved out and given up > giving them tech support. ^_^ I know better than to let them install > stuff. Who knows what amazing shit would end up on the computer! It's too bad I can't lock down my client's boxes as it would alleviate so much problem and hassle; at least, though, with my folks (even though they're 10,000km's away) they follow instructions to a T and always consult with me prior to installing or downloading something...HA! Gottem trained... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core. -- Hannah Arendt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 27 August 2004 04:58, Amy wrote: Just one suggestion dont tell yor father or brother what the root password is. Oh you can bet they won't know that 'til I've moved out and given up giving them tech support. ^_^ I know better than to let them install stuff. Who knows what amazing shit would end up on the computer! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Lanman wrote: BJ, Can you say next version of Windows? It's expected to be a 3 CD installation! Lanman Well I have heard of the Long Horn project of M$ ever since Windows98 along with the other differetn project name that the past and current M$ OS before they had their actual names. They been working on this project for a long time and it won't surprise me if it is 3 cd's. Even when it does break lose and reveal it's true name in 2 or 3 years(if it hasn't got pushed back again) it could be a good OS(but I won't hold my breath). I just migrated to Mandrake from M$ world and enjoying every minute of it(98% of the time in Linux now and 2% in XP Home) as I'm finding open source software that could do the same thing that Windowz crapware could do and even more. I had redone my entire computer three days ago swapping the hdd that M$ and Mandrake sits on. Now my 160GB 7200rpm has my Linux on it and my crappy 40GB 5200rpm has XP Home(installed SP2 on it since it was a fresh install (the only reason is to keep up on my Windowz skills because of family and friends still uses this crappy OS)). Bobby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:29, BJ Tracy wrote: > On Friday 27 August 2004 07:28 am, Lanman wrote: > snip > > > > Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to > > Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a > > huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! > > > > Lanman > Question: > Being from Texas I know what a Long Horn is, what is it in the MS world? > bj Maybe because they already know it's a big cow, eh? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. 'Begone From This Place Or I Will Smite Thee!' he [the god] commanded. 'Why?' (The Last Continent) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Friday 27 August 2004 09:29 am, BJ Tracy wrote: > Question: > Being from Texas I know what a Long Horn is, what is it in the MS world? Longhorn is to software what a jackelope is to Texas, IIRC. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Friday 27 August 2004 07:13 am, Lanman wrote: > Amy, Tell your father that we welcome him back from the "Dark Side" Grin! And, our sympathies about the delousing;-} -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
BJ Tracy wrote: On Friday 27 August 2004 07:28 am, Lanman wrote: snip Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! Lanman Question: Being from Texas I know what a Long Horn is, what is it in the MS world? bj BJ, Can you say next version of Windows? It's expected to be a 3 CD installation! Lanman -- Composed on a Linux-based system, because I was totally fed-up with 60 or 70 thousand Windows viruses, Pop-Ups, Spyware, Ad-ware, Hackers, Script Kiddies, Crashes, Reboots, More Reboots, and Applications that sent too much personal data to companies that couldn't build reliable software if their lives depended on it! More Importantly, I'm fed-up with a U.S. monopoly trying to tell a Canadian what constitutes copyright violations, or how I should be able to use my computer in the first place! If you're still using Windows, you need to know that there's a better alternative that's free, reliable, easy to use, safe and a hell of a lot more secure than what you're using now! --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Friday 27 August 2004 07:28 am, Lanman wrote: snip > > Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to > Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a > huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! > > Lanman Question: Being from Texas I know what a Long Horn is, what is it in the MS world? bj Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Friday 27 August 2004 04:58, Amy wrote: Just one suggestion dont tell yor father or brother what the root password is. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
LX, You bet I would! They've just been getting better and better at it, while raising the price of getting "Horned! Even so, I have to agree with Stephen too. Microsoft is quickly becoming their own worst enema too! Or was that a typo? Hmm,...maybe not! Lanman ___ Composed on a Linux-based system, because I was totally fed-up with 60 or 70 thousand Windows viruses, Pop-Ups, Spyware, Ad-ware, Hackers, Script Kiddies, Crashes, Reboots, More Reboots, and Applications that sent too much personal data to companies that couldn't build reliable software if their lives depended on it! More Importantly, I'm fed-up with a U.S. monopoly trying to tell a Canadian what constitutes copyright violations, or how I should be able to use my computer in the first place! If you're still using Windows, you need to know that there's a better alternative that's free, reliable, safe and a hell of a lot more secure than what you have now. ___ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 21:28, Lanman wrote: > Now for my 2 cents,... > > Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to > Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a > huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! > > Lanman As the public is becoming more aware, Microsoft does not put anything out that is truly "ready" - everything is rushed, incomplete, not thoroughly tested, and always calls for heavier machinery. Cost outweighs benefit. (Think about how MS is constantly droning on and on about TCO being lower than linux - ha...yeah right). Microsoft is their own worst enemy. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Burnt Sienna. That's the best thing that ever happened to Crayolas. -- Ken Weaver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 07:28, Lanman wrote: > Now for my 2 cents,... > > Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to > Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a > huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! > > Lanman > Yah well the truth is that Micro$haft has been giving users the LongHorn right from the start wouldn't you say LM. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Stephen Kühn wrote: I think Amy's dad will learn from all this that there is much more to the world of computers than just Microsoft; and actually is a safer, more secure world - where you can enjoy your computing and surfing time in relative safety and comfort. Sure, some things you just have to get used to - BUT - once you break that barrier, you see a whole new world. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Now for my 2 cents,... Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 05:58, Amy wrote: > Hey everyone! > > Anyhow, thanks for all the help you've given me thus far, and thanks in > advance for putting up with me as I start off on this adventure of > bringing my technologically inept father out of the evil embrace of > windows. ^_^ > > Amy > Very good. We stand ready to help! LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] sp2 may have done something good
Hey everyone! My dad's always asking for help with his computer, and I try to give it to him the best I can. The trouble is, he's running a windows XP box. At least, despite his lack of a virus scanner, he hasn't been killed yet. Probably because he's had it just long enough that he could still connect to to the net on a virgin install without getting killed when he first got it, and since I've wanted my computer hooked up to the net also, we've had his machine behind a linksys router ever since. At any rate, he's been getting on me about finding him an anti-virus program... and I finally got fed up with having to help him on windows, so I really starting making a big issue about how he really should let me switch him to Linux. When I first started suggesting that, he thought his computer was still covered under the extended service plan he'd bought for it, so he was afraid of doing anything like that to it. Bah. However, within the last couple days, a few things happened 1) he's realized the computer is out of it's extended service plan period 2)he's installed sp2 3) his computer's been acting much slower 4) he heard that he should disable the automatic updates on his computer. 5) he still has a constant battle against spy ware from the file share program my brother has installed. Well, much to my surprise, he expressed interest in letting me install Linux just after I asked my friends on Live Journal to suggest a good free anti virus program for him to use. Well, I'm going to install the anti virus program for right now, and figure out the best way to back up his files and my brother's... then go and make sure all the hardware in his computer is cool with Mandrake. It should be because I don't think HP puts anything too weird into their desktop computers, but it doesn't hurt to double check first. So yeah, sp2 may have actually done a good thing. ^_^ Just thought you guys might like to know. Also, I figured I'd give everyone fair warning because I may have to get some extra help when I set up his computer with Mandrake, since while I feel mostly comfortable with the man pages, and how well I have my computer running, who knows what entertaining challenges managing his computer will present. If anyone has any suggestions that'll make the transition easier for my dad once I do this, and anything to make managing his computer easier for me so he can't go in and mess anything up too bad, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm not too worried about my brother, he's smart enough to ask if he doesn't know what he's doing... and will be happy once I set him up with a file share program, and web browser, and show him how to burn CDs, and play music. Anyhow, thanks for all the help you've given me thus far, and thanks in advance for putting up with me as I start off on this adventure of bringing my technologically inept father out of the evil embrace of windows. ^_^ Amy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
