Re: [newbie] various issues
Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 08 March 2005 10:21 am, Josenildo Marques wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:54 -0500, Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. :) Julie -- you could try mcedit. I like it a lot. Thank you for the suggestion, Josenildo. :) I have poked around in VIm a little bit this week and I like it. Emacs confuses me - there is too much information; I couldn't even find where to change the font size. I'll look at mcedit also. Is it Mandrake specific? BTW sorry I am so late in replying; it's been a rough week for doing much more than just cut/paste. Julie No, mcedit is not Mandrake specific. It is part of the Midnight Commander package. It is a Norton Commander clone. You can see if it is installed by entering "mc" at the command line. It is a great command line file manager package. (There is even a Windows version of it...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 10:21 am, Josenildo Marques wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:54 -0500, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers > > > operate in "vi" mode reflexively. > > > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. > > :) > > Julie -- you could try mcedit. I like it a lot. Thank you for the suggestion, Josenildo. :) I have poked around in VIm a little bit this week and I like it. Emacs confuses me - there is too much information; I couldn't even find where to change the font size. I'll look at mcedit also. Is it Mandrake specific? BTW sorry I am so late in replying; it's been a rough week for doing much more than just cut/paste. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:54 -0500, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate > > in "vi" mode reflexively. > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. :) > Julie -- you could try mcedit. I like it a lot. -- Josenildo Marques ICQ 289971493 +++ Homepage http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/cyb/ Fotolog http://fotolog.terra.com.br/mytrip usuário Linux registrado No. 341648 10:20:15 up 13:44, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.28, 0.62 ** "Aquilo que hoje está provado não foi outrora mais do que imaginado." William Blake Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
On Friday 04 Mar 2005 20:54, Aron Smith wrote: > On Thursday 03 March 2005 11:36 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just > > > typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Actually typing rute in cli didn't start rute for me. Though I haven't > > urpmi'ed it yet. > > Wl that *could* be the reason ;-) Didn't actually say that though - did he/she? As a newbie how would one know? Some things are installed by default. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
On Thursday 03 March 2005 11:36 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > > > > > > > you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just > > typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute > > > > > > --- > > Actually typing rute in cli didn't start rute for me. Though I haven't > urpmi'ed it yet. Wl that *could* be the reason ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
> > > > you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just > typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute > > > --- Actually typing rute in cli didn't start rute for me. Though I haven't urpmi'ed it yet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
> > PS I assume you heve the kdegraphics-kghostview and/or acroread rpms > installed. KGhostview is a program (and embeddable KPart) to display *.PDF > and *.PS files. Yes was pretty amazed when first installed mandrake 10.1 and cruising the menus - to see what was there. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> > Everything takes time to learn. That includes windows! How long did it > take you to learn to use a computer in the beginning with any semblance > of skill? I have had a terrible time changing because I was virtually > computer illiterate to begin with, but I was dissatisfied enough with > windows ME to give linux a try. I didn't do enough research, and got a > winmodem that would almost work (it got me on line 3 times). After that > it would display an error that I got no answers to at two mail lists, > and a google search turned up the same error reported by others, but no > answer. I also started out with a copy of Mandrake 9.1 powerpack bought > from Amazon. But that was a bad idea too, because I was installing it > on a new custom built computer, so all the hardware was newer than the > software. It appears to me that you have smarter than me in the start > of your venture into linux. It has been almost a year since I started > playing with this new computer, and it has only been fully operational > (internet capable) for a few months. Already I have been spoiled by the > browsers, and the variety of programs available for download. Also, if > you want to experiment, check out a site that sells download linux > distributions. For about $25 you can get Mandrake 10.1, Suse 9.2 Pro, > and Fedora Core 3 at linuxcd.com. You might also try the Gnome desktop > if you haven't already. I prefer the Evolution e-mail program, and am > running it currently from KDE. I haven' tried thunderbird, so can't > offer any help there. Just remember that if you stay with Microsoft you > still have to be carefull which version you are running. My father has > been corresponding with a windows newbi list for several years, and a > lot of the people on that list refuse to upgrade from Win98! That would > be for the reson that 98 is a more secure os in their oppinion than xp. > But, whatever you decide, good luck, and have fun! > ~Lorin > Thanks for taking the time to respond - I'm still here :-) > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> > Whatever is best for you Rosemary. > I love Linux, but live on solar power in the bush using a laptop, no > serial port, with 31000 kbps Internet access. The desktop uses too much > power, but it runs Linux and connects to the net when we have a bit of > spare electrical power. But I use mainly the lappy, reworked of course, > not as out of the store, and windows XP, the modem and all else works > out of the box for that. I like windows well enough, just not their > philosophy. > > I love Linux, but can't download the kernels etc,. that are required for > me to get either the PCMCIA modem working, the USB to serial connector > working or the winmodem working. > > So use what you can and have and know. Experiment, I do much of my > writing and other work that doesn't require Internet connection in > Linux, and Use windows for everything else. > > Computers are not about Linux, but about what you need or want to do. It > depends on the individual but nothing is better, just different. I have > come through from Red Hat, Slackware, Suse, even tried Debian for a > while and so on. They are all good, I just happen to like Mandrake. Just > can't use it on the net at the moment. > > Just enjoy, don't sweat it, this is not an all or nothing situation. > > Be well, > Charlie. > > -- > > Though night after night. The moon is stream reflected, Try to find where > it has touched. Point even to a shadow. > > - Takuan (1573 - 1645) I was just fristrated about one or two things, and tired from night shifts! Thanks for your wise words. Interesting signature ... Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> I agree with Julie, don't give up. You are much more competent than I was > when I started with Linux in 1998. (I think). I am not a computer guru, > geek (well a wannabe maybe) or programmer and have to wear a name tag to > remember my own name, but I have progressed to the point where I don't ask > questions unless I absolutely exhaust all my references and googles. And I > love it. I laugh in the face of viruses and snear at worms and have shaken > the dust from my feet in leaving MS. Oh, wait I'm getting carried away > again. I preach to anyone who will listen about linux. Sorry, Thanks for your comments. I'm a bit behind with emails - so not sure exactly what I have responded to now! Guess I have trouble following some of the instructions I see - as the command line and text editors are so foreign. Slowly getting there I think. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:54 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > in "vi" mode reflexively. > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same > thing. Â:) _ your 'puter may have "vimtutor' already installed. "vimtutor' . . . the tutor for VIM best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 18:21, SnapafunFrank wrote: > et wrote: > > Travis Crook wrote: > >> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 06:50 -0500, Kenneth Rhodes wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 23:45 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: > SnapafunFrank wrote: > > Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can > > handle this site but have I got it easy for you > > > > Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the > > *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can > > please ] ... > > > > At the very top left of this page is this link.. > > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 > > > > Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to > > hard copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is > > a book sized printout. > > > > # > >### > > > > > > UPDATE: > > > > Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the > > site page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, > > konqueror offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's > > downloading as I write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - > > Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more > > printing layout options, though if I were to dig further there > > would likely be something in kprinter that would do enough to > > satisfy my requirements. > > > > Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use > > what is available first, then experiment with the latest and > > greatest. > >>> > >>> The link works in Firefox and Epiphany as well. :) > >> > >> Opera too! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to > >> http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > >> > > > > you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just > > typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] > > Yeah, but Rosemary was talking of printing it, possibly from within > windows, so the pdf file seemed to be the way to go. Yes - I have printed a chapter - thanks. Before I got this email actually. I will do as you suggest re saving as above. While I am not going to print the whole book - it seemed to me some sections would be helpful to me to have in hard copy. I don't want to kill too many trees! And ... my printer works in mandrake, and even webpages better now. I appreciate the time various people have taken to help me with this. Many, many thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:59:30 + "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 09:00 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:30 am, riccardo wrote: > > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:19 am, Julie Sloan referred: > > > >> handy, to have entire duplicate system > > > > > > ~ for example . . . have cron daemon, once-a-week, run script :- > > > > Thanks riccardo, I will add this and your "run daily" script into that file > > of notes I mentioned to Rosemary. > > > > FWIW, the lazy way I take notes: > > first, if I think there is something I need to learn *at this stage*, I > > hang on to the email for a little while. then later, cleaning out my > > mailbox, I review it again, deciding if this is something I should make a > > note of. If so, I mark it some way. Another few days goes by and I'll get > > the pertinent information out of each of these marked emails and paste into > > this one big confusing file. I reread the file every week or two, grepping > > a little more each time. :) > > > > It works for me but might not for everyone else. > > > > Julie > > I've got this: > > /home/darklord/Documents/Linux Refs/ > > where every e-mail that has been valuable to me gets stored. > > Yes Julie, it does work. :-) > Great subject line this - difficult to hijack the thread! The various notepad facilities can be helpful as well. Drag and drop work for all I have tried. There is xpad for sticky notes - maybe a bit messy after a while, and my favourite - gjots. I have an icon on the panel so that it can be accessed from any workspace and fullscreen application. It is a one level hierarchical notepad, simple, clean, and functional. KDE has something similar; kjots maybe? -- Len Lawrence -- Be nice to people on the way up, because you'll meet them on your way down. -- Wilson Mizner -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 10:06 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:21 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 05:01 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > > > As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with > > > me. (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an > > > eliza in every instance). > > > > Ok. Would you please repeat that, more slowly this time, and in newbie > > English? Thanks. > > Emacs is a honkin' big program that initially was intended to be an > editor. The vi crowd always thought that the name stood for "Eighty > Megabytes And Constantly Swapping". I was making fun of the propensity > of the emacs crowd to cram about everything they can into emacs. It's > got a lisp environment, and in there it has a program that simulates a > non-directive psychologist. The latter program's name is eliza, some > folks know it as doctor. All it really does is a simple word analysis of > your statements and regurgitates it back at you (or the generic response > "H" if it can't figure out what to say). Hmmm. Okay. I saw the psychologist tool when I was exploring emacs a few weeks ago but didn't make note of the name. :) Thanks for clearing that up. So, you're saying VI is a more compact program? -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
et wrote: Travis Crook wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 06:50 -0500, Kenneth Rhodes wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 23:45 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle this site but have I got it easy for you Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can please ] ... At the very top left of this page is this link.. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book sized printout. UPDATE: Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. The link works in Firefox and Epiphany as well. :) Opera too! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] Yeah, but Rosemary was talking of printing it, possibly from within windows, so the pdf file seemed to be the way to go. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Russ Kepler wrote: I don't think there's a 'proper' way to learn MS-DOS. My first conputer was an IBM 360/65 running a timeshare simulator called RAX, heck, the first programming test I ever took was to see if I could hold a 1401 punchboard at arms length, so I'm a proper dinosaur. My first programming job was on a Wang 2200 running WANGBASIC 2. (cringe) It had 22KB of RAM per user, and a 20MB removable Winchester which was the size of a rubbish bin lid. The drive mechanism was the size of an industrial washing machine. Fortunately the company wanted to use the "new" technology, so they had a 2200 emulator running on top of Xenix on a Wang APC (non-IBM compatible 286) as a platform for their package. This was my escape route into the UNIX world. (Now I think we have deviated completely from "newbie" to "dinosaur" - perhaps we should start a new saurian mailing list.) cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> > But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! > > You didn't try very hard! I have broke almost every OS I have > worked with- no harm in experimenting since that is how you learn > - as long as you learn - and you have the time to set aside for > reinstalling! I have broken most of them, too. But i never broke the OS on my Timex Sinclair 2068 :) eric -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:21 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 05:01 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > > As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with me. > > (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an eliza in > > every instance). > > Ok. Would you please repeat that, more slowly this time, and in newbie > English? Thanks. Emacs is a honkin' big program that initially was intended to be an editor. The vi crowd always thought that the name stood for "Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping". I was making fun of the propensity of the emacs crowd to cram about everything they can into emacs. It's got a lisp environment, and in there it has a program that simulates a non-directive psychologist. The latter program's name is eliza, some folks know it as doctor. All it really does is a simple word analysis of your statements and regurgitates it back at you (or the generic response "H" if it can't figure out what to say). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 06:21 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 05:01 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:54 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers > > > > operate in "vi" mode reflexively. > > > > > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. > > > > > > :) > > > > As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with me. > > (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an eliza in > > every instance). > > Ok. Would you please repeat that, more slowly this time, and in newbie > English? Thanks. Don't even go there ..they are about to restart the great emacs vs vi war > > Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 05:01 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:54 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers > > > operate in "vi" mode reflexively. > > > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. > > :) > > As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with me. > (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an eliza in > every instance). Ok. Would you please repeat that, more slowly this time, and in newbie English? Thanks. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] various issues
On Tue 3/1/2005 3:31 PM Lorin Pino wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 22:17 +0200, Duncan Anderson wrote: >> Martell, Larry wrote: >> >> >On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Julie Sloan wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >It's worse coming the other way. I started on BSD unix version III running >> >on >> >a DEC PDP-7 in the late 70's. For the next 26 years I worked exclusively on >> >various unix's systems - ATT SVR4, HPUX, AUX, Solaris, etc. For family use >> >we have >> >always had Mac's. I managed to never once use a windows machine or intel >> >hardware. Well that all changed last November. I was forced (because I like >> >to eat) >> >to take job where I am now working in the wintel environment. This has been >> >the most >> >frustrating 3 months of my life. A large part of it is my mental block >> >against this >> >environment, but it's also because windows seems to be random while unix is >> >orthogonal and deterministic. I swear I think there a random number >> >generator in >> >windows and when you boot it that determines how it will function that day >> >;-) >> >But I learn so much new stuff every day ... and I have managed to bring in >> >2 linux boxes here >> >(and I've only been here 3 months!) I just wish there was a list like this >> >for windows! > > There is! http://list.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/pc-newbies > > My father uses this list for his problems. I have never used it, so if > this address is wrong, then let me know, and I will get the updated > address from him. That URL says: list.sonic.net Mailing Lists: No such list pc-newbies -lary <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 22:17 +0200, Duncan Anderson wrote: > Martell, Larry wrote: > > >On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > > > >>Julie Sloan wrote: > >> > >> > >>Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? > >> > >> > > > >It's worse coming the other way. I started on BSD unix version III running on > >a DEC PDP-7 in the late 70's. For the next 26 years I worked exclusively on > >various unix's systems - ATT SVR4, HPUX, AUX, Solaris, etc. For family use > >we have > >always had Mac's. I managed to never once use a windows machine or intel > >hardware. Well that all changed last November. I was forced (because I like > >to eat) > >to take job where I am now working in the wintel environment. This has been > >the most > >frustrating 3 months of my life. A large part of it is my mental block > >against this > >environment, but it's also because windows seems to be random while unix is > >orthogonal and deterministic. I swear I think there a random number > >generator in > >windows and when you boot it that determines how it will function that day > >;-) > >But I learn so much new stuff every day ... and I have managed to bring in 2 > >linux boxes here > >(and I've only been here 3 months!) I just wish there was a list like this > >for windows! There is! http://list.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/pc-newbies My father uses this list for his problems. I have never used it, so if this address is wrong, then let me know, and I will get the updated address from him. HTH ~Lorin > >-larry > > > > > I have to concur with Larry. Windows is a nightmare of frustration for > me. I have been involved in UNIX support for nearly twenty years and > Linux for about nine. I have managed not to use Windows except very > superficially in passing until very recently when my wife bought an > Apple iPod which seems impervious to my efforts to get it mounted on my > Linux box. My only choice at the moment is to run Windows on my laptop > using Samba to allow iTunes to access a directory containing MP3 files > on the Linux server. What a pain! Editing text files is particularly > irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. > > I also find myself cursing over Windows' apparent lack of consistency in > terms of where it decides to save things. I could go on... > > Fortunately I found something called Cygwin which renders certain > aspects of my Windows partition more congenial. > > My main impression of Windows is that it makes a lot of things > unnecessarily difficult! > > regards > Duncan > > > Plain text document attachment (message.footer) > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Russ Kepler wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:54 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. :) As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with me. (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an eliza in every instance). Too many years of using Word Star. I feel right at home in Joe. But then, I am at home with the editor that comes with Midnight Commander (mcedit), and a couple of flavors of Norton Editor. I can use VI, but it will never be my favorite... Mikkel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:54 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate > > in "vi" mode reflexively. > > I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. :) As long as you don't invoke the dreaded emacs you're all right with me. (There's something wrong with an editor that hauls around an eliza in every instance). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:46 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > I used to use the MKS toolkit version of vi on DOS as well as the Korn > shell and awk, grep, sed, et al. It was one of the reasons I never > learned DOS properly! vim is cool, though. I don't think there's a 'proper' way to learn MS-DOS. My first conputer was an IBM 360/65 running a timeshare simulator called RAX, heck, the first programming test I ever took was to see if I could hold a 1401 punchboard at arms length, so I'm a proper dinosaur. > Eek! (He makes the sign to ward off demons!) I still do most of my software development (bioinformatics in Java, mostly) on my Linux box and move things to the Windows box only for integration testing. The Linux box tends to feel a little slower than the Windows box but development is faster as I don't crash it near as often. While working hard on the Windows platform I'll crash the development environment 2-3 times a day, losing anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour's work each time. At least it's not my money, if they want me to work there they can pay my rates for the time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > > Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate > in "vi" mode reflexively. I am looking forward to some day soon being able to say the same thing. :) -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Russ Kepler wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: What a pain! Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. Get vim for Windows. A decent vi emulator, heck, I use it under Mandrake and on Sun instead of vi. I used to use the MKS toolkit version of vi on DOS as well as the Korn shell and awk, grep, sed, et al. It was one of the reasons I never learned DOS properly! vim is cool, though. I also find myself cursing over Windows' apparent lack of consistency in terms of where it decides to save things. I could go on... There is a decent shell toolkit for Windows, the name escapes me at the moment but it has ksh and most of the simple command line stuff. MKS Toolkit, perhaps? Yes. Mortice Kern Associates from Canada, I think. My main impression of Windows is that it makes a lot of things unnecessarily difficult! Some, certainly, other outright dangerous (registry editing, anyone?). If you ever have to write stuff at the system level it's downright schizophrenic with something like 3 sets of system calls for file I/O (as compared to the UNIX norm of 1 set). True pain on Windows is writing something that's to run like a cron job on UNIX. On UNIX you make it work then toss it into cron, on Windows you basically have to write a service around it, a completely different run environment, and it's impossible to test. Bah! Eek! (He makes the sign to ward off demons!) cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:17 pm, Duncan Anderson wrote: > What a pain! Editing text files is particularly > irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. Get vim for Windows. A decent vi emulator, heck, I use it under Mandrake and on Sun instead of vi. > I also find myself cursing over Windows' apparent lack of consistency in > terms of where it decides to save things. I could go on... There is a decent shell toolkit for Windows, the name escapes me at the moment but it has ksh and most of the simple command line stuff. MKS Toolkit, perhaps? > My main impression of Windows is that it makes a lot of things > unnecessarily difficult! Some, certainly, other outright dangerous (registry editing, anyone?). If you ever have to write stuff at the system level it's downright schizophrenic with something like 3 sets of system calls for file I/O (as compared to the UNIX norm of 1 set). True pain on Windows is writing something that's to run like a cron job on UNIX. On UNIX you make it work then toss it into cron, on Windows you basically have to write a service around it, a completely different run environment, and it's impossible to test. Bah! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Martell, Larry wrote: On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? It's worse coming the other way. I started on BSD unix version III running on a DEC PDP-7 in the late 70's. For the next 26 years I worked exclusively on various unix's systems - ATT SVR4, HPUX, AUX, Solaris, etc. For family use we have always had Mac's. I managed to never once use a windows machine or intel hardware. Well that all changed last November. I was forced (because I like to eat) to take job where I am now working in the wintel environment. This has been the most frustrating 3 months of my life. A large part of it is my mental block against this environment, but it's also because windows seems to be random while unix is orthogonal and deterministic. I swear I think there a random number generator in windows and when you boot it that determines how it will function that day ;-) But I learn so much new stuff every day ... and I have managed to bring in 2 linux boxes here (and I've only been here 3 months!) I just wish there was a list like this for windows! -larry I have to concur with Larry. Windows is a nightmare of frustration for me. I have been involved in UNIX support for nearly twenty years and Linux for about nine. I have managed not to use Windows except very superficially in passing until very recently when my wife bought an Apple iPod which seems impervious to my efforts to get it mounted on my Linux box. My only choice at the moment is to run Windows on my laptop using Samba to allow iTunes to access a directory containing MP3 files on the Linux server. What a pain! Editing text files is particularly irritating because my fingers operate in "vi" mode reflexively. I also find myself cursing over Windows' apparent lack of consistency in terms of where it decides to save things. I could go on... Fortunately I found something called Cygwin which renders certain aspects of my Windows partition more congenial. My main impression of Windows is that it makes a lot of things unnecessarily difficult! regards Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 12:16 pm, Kirschner, Mark wrote: Julie Sloan claimed: But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! Julie -- Um, you need to boot the computer for it to break ;-) Maybe I never broke it or got so virus'd up I couldn't fix it myself because I didn't use IE or OE. Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe I was lucky in another way, running into people on USENET who told me "get a real ISP" "get a real browser" and "join cauce." So within three or four months of getting a computer (with advice from Dad, who STILL swears the sun rises and sets on AOHell), I'd moved from AOL to mindspring, from IE to Netsape, was using Eudora-light for a mail reader and FreeAgent for newsgroups, and was reading snopes.com and symantec before forwarding all those warnings.And preaching to anyone who'd listen that AOL is the kindergarden of the internet - fine, start there, but move on as soon as you are able or you'll never learn anything. Now I'm applying all I've learned into getting a real OS, and it's really frustrating to be back in preschool. Maybe this musing is getting a bit too OT for this list. :) Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com you do know,,, AOL stands for Assholes On Line --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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et wrote: and I want to appologize for posting that to Newbie. was meant/thought to be on the OT list my bad --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 11:14 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 12:16 pm, Kirschner, Mark wrote: > > Julie Sloan claimed: > > > > But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! > > > > Julie > > -- > > > > Um, you need to boot the computer for it to break ;-) > > Maybe I never broke it or got so virus'd up I couldn't fix it myself > because I didn't use IE or OE. > > Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe I was lucky in another way, running into > people on USENET who told me "get a real ISP" "get a real browser" and > "join cauce." > > So within three or four months of getting a computer (with advice > from Dad, who STILL swears the sun rises and sets on AOHell), I'd moved > from AOL to mindspring, from IE to Netsape, was using Eudora-light for a > mail reader and FreeAgent for newsgroups, and was reading snopes.com and > symantec before forwarding all those warnings.And preaching to > anyone who'd listen that AOL is the kindergarden of the internet - fine, > start there, but move on as soon as you are able or you'll never learn > anything. Now I'm applying all I've learned into getting a real OS, and > it's really frustrating to be back in preschool. > > Maybe this musing is getting a bit too OT for this list. :) not at all we have all gone through similar times (except for the Ubergeeks that hang out on the cooker list) > > Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 12:16 pm, Kirschner, Mark wrote: > Julie Sloan claimed: > > But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! > > Julie > -- > > Um, you need to boot the computer for it to break ;-) Maybe I never broke it or got so virus'd up I couldn't fix it myself because I didn't use IE or OE. Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe I was lucky in another way, running into people on USENET who told me "get a real ISP" "get a real browser" and "join cauce." So within three or four months of getting a computer (with advice from Dad, who STILL swears the sun rises and sets on AOHell), I'd moved from AOL to mindspring, from IE to Netsape, was using Eudora-light for a mail reader and FreeAgent for newsgroups, and was reading snopes.com and symantec before forwarding all those warnings.And preaching to anyone who'd listen that AOL is the kindergarden of the internet - fine, start there, but move on as soon as you are able or you'll never learn anything. Now I'm applying all I've learned into getting a real OS, and it's really frustrating to be back in preschool. Maybe this musing is getting a bit too OT for this list. :) Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Travis Crook wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 06:50 -0500, Kenneth Rhodes wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 23:45 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle this site but have I got it easy for you Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can please ] ... At the very top left of this page is this link.. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book sized printout. UPDATE: Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. The link works in Firefox and Epiphany as well. :) Opera too! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com you all do know that as root "urpmi rute" will install rute,, adn just typing 'rute' in a cli will start rute --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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> > > > Very true - I had forgotten how *lost* I was when first started using the > > computer. Now I'm lost if can't have access to it for a few days! > > !!!DAYS > > mhhmmmp. You're not as addicted as I am. > > Julie-- I didn't like to say hours!!! Which is the reality. I can cope if I am at work though Rosemary Which I had better get to now! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Julie Sloan claimed: But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! Julie -- Um, you need to boot the computer for it to break ;-) I think XP is the first version of Windows I've not broken to the point of re-installing. 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000...can't count the number of times I've reinstalled my work box running them. Never mind my home computer. The only reason I've not toasted XP is I don't push my machine as much as I used to. I test on test machines rather than my own. I don't mess with the home computer, because I want to stay on the wife's good side (no couch to sleep on, if ya know what I mean). Mark Kirschner Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 06:50 -0500, Kenneth Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 23:45 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: > > SnapafunFrank wrote: > > > > Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle > > > this site but have I got it easy for you > > > > > > Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the > > > *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can > > > please ] ... > > > > > > At the very top left of this page is this link.. > > > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 > > > > > > Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard > > > copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book > > > sized printout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UPDATE: > > > > > > Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site > > > page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror > > > offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I > > > write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and > > > Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, > > > though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in > > > kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. > > > > > > Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what > > > is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. > > The link works in Firefox and Epiphany as well. :) Opera too! -- Travis Crook Visions Beyond www.VisionsBeyond.com (208) 478-7836 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 09:00 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:30 am, riccardo wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:19 am, Julie Sloan referred: > > >> handy, to have entire duplicate system > > > > ~ for example . . . have cron daemon, once-a-week, run script :- > > Thanks riccardo, I will add this and your "run daily" script into that file > of notes I mentioned to Rosemary. > > FWIW, the lazy way I take notes: > first, if I think there is something I need to learn *at this stage*, I > hang on to the email for a little while. then later, cleaning out my > mailbox, I review it again, deciding if this is something I should make a > note of. If so, I mark it some way. Another few days goes by and I'll get > the pertinent information out of each of these marked emails and paste into > this one big confusing file. I reread the file every week or two, grepping > a little more each time. :) > > It works for me but might not for everyone else. > > Julie I've got this: /home/darklord/Documents/Linux Refs/ where every e-mail that has been valuable to me gets stored. Yes Julie, it does work. :-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:59 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > > Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? > > Linux was harder, no question about it. Just shows how truly different peoples experiences can be. I started out in computing in 1983 with an Atari 800Xl. Moved up to the Atari ST line around 1985 or so. Kept right on, keepin' on with an Atari Falcon, one of which, in a highly modded form, I have to this day. I ran MINT on it - a Unix, Linux, FreeBSD variant. After Atari Corp folded for good, and I needed something newer, it was almost with a feeling of "I'm home" that I installed Mandrake v7.0 on my first hand-built PC. Then my sons wanted a Windows 98 partition on their comps for games that weren't available under Linux. Oh my God! - the shock of actually using that POS software. Ugh and a half! So for me, I could never look at Windows as easier. Amazing how different perspectives can be, isn't it? (Not right or wrong, just different).:-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Martell, Larry wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:28 am, l_duvall wrote: As someone who once upon a time did full-time tech support for Windows 95 & 98, believe me, you can do as much damage in 95/98 as an ordinary user as you can as su in Linux, but 95/98 requires a lot less effort to do so. But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! I've run applications that have broken windows so badly I had to reinstall it. Just happened last week - an app trashed a bunch of dll's. Who writes stuff like this?? What are they thinking?? Something like this could never happen in unix. -larry You get lazy programmers. From what I understand, it is less work to use your custom version of a standard .dll then it is to have the modified functions in your own .dll and call them in place of the standard ones. So installing your package replaces the standard .dll with your version. It works fine untill the next program is installed that replaces the same .dll with their version, and breaks the first program. The same thing could be done in Linux, but with most package managment systems, it is more work then doing it the right way. At least rpm, urpmi, and aptget will all yell if you try to replace a library with your own version... Mikkel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >>Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to > >> XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > > > > What about it? > > > > I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I > > was waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. > > > > Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my > > neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into > > Window$ is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two > > or three weeks ago, I'd guess. > > > > Julie > > Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? It's worse coming the other way. I started on BSD unix version III running on a DEC PDP-7 in the late 70's. For the next 26 years I worked exclusively on various unix's systems - ATT SVR4, HPUX, AUX, Solaris, etc. For family use we have always had Mac's. I managed to never once use a windows machine or intel hardware. Well that all changed last November. I was forced (because I like to eat) to take job where I am now working in the wintel environment. This has been the most frustrating 3 months of my life. A large part of it is my mental block against this environment, but it's also because windows seems to be random while unix is orthogonal and deterministic. I swear I think there a random number generator in windows and when you boot it that determines how it will function that day ;-) But I learn so much new stuff every day ... and I have managed to bring in 2 linux boxes here (and I've only been here 3 months!) I just wish there was a list like this for windows! -larry <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Julie Sloan wrote: >On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:28 am, l_duvall wrote: >> As someone who once upon a time did full-time tech support for Windows 95 >> & 98, believe me, you can do as much damage in 95/98 as an ordinary user >> as you can as su in Linux, but 95/98 requires a lot less effort to do so. > > But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! I've run applications that have broken windows so badly I had to reinstall it. Just happened last week - an app trashed a bunch of dll's. Who writes stuff like this?? What are they thinking?? Something like this could never happen in unix. -larry <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 13:40, Pablo Ortuzar wrote: > Rosemary, > > I assume you're using KDE. With konqueror, go here > > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 > > Left click on "download pdf" (upper left) > A popup window will appear. Left click on "Save As". > In your home folder, you will have a "rute.pdf.bz2" file. Right click on > it, then left click on "Ark". Choose "Edit", then "Select all", then > "Action", then "Extract". A file called "rute.pdf" is then installed in > /opt. Go there and left click on it. You can then read it offline, or print > it (left click "Location", then "Print"). PS I assume you heve the kdegraphics-kghostview and/or acroread rpms installed. KGhostview is a program (and embeddable KPart) to display *.PDF and *.PS files. -- Pablo Ortúzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Tuesday 01 March 2005 11:38, SnapafunFrank wrote: > Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: (snip) > > Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the *.gz > bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can please ] ... > > At the very top left of this page is this link.. > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 > > Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file > > ### ># > > UPDATE: > > Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site page > but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror offered to > open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I write this.) So > from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 Rosemary, I assume you're using KDE. With konqueror, go here http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 Left click on "download pdf" (upper left) A popup window will appear. Left click on "Save As". In your home folder, you will have a "rute.pdf.bz2" file. Right click on it, then left click on "Ark". Choose "Edit", then "Select all", then "Action", then "Extract". A file called "rute.pdf" is then installed in /opt. Go there and left click on it. You can then read it offline, or print it (left click "Location", then "Print"). -- Pablo Ortúzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 23:45 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: > SnapafunFrank wrote: > > Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle > > this site but have I got it easy for you > > > > Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the > > *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can > > please ] ... > > > > At the very top left of this page is this link.. > > http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 > > > > Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard > > copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book > > sized printout. > > > > > > > > > > > > UPDATE: > > > > Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site > > page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror > > offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I > > write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and > > Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, > > though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in > > kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. > > > > Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what > > is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. The link works in Firefox and Epiphany as well. :) -- Kenneth Rhodes 100% MicroSoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello listers, Thanks to all who replied to my post. I'm sorry - I was pretty unreasonable on reflection. I have been frustrated at one or two things, and also on night duty, which does nothing for my tolerance! I do aplogise for sounding off. Just for interest I had no problems going from win 98 to winXP but mainly because I also went from a ten year old computer with 200mhz processor and 64 mb RAM, to 2Gig and 256! But I certainly found computing a weird world when I first started. The reality is, I have only booted to windows once in the last week and that was to print a letter head with a scanned logo for some work I do. I am learning my way around the various programmes I use, and it isn't actually going to hurt me to use Kmail rather than thunderbird. However I do want to get the webpage printing sorted because need the Rute tutorial in hard copy to refer to. I'll look at the printing suggestion you made Anne. Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle this site but have I got it easy for you Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can please ] ... At the very top left of this page is this link.. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book sized printout. UPDATE: Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. Hope you get Rute sorted. Enjoy. I think the main problem is that I want to run, before I can walk properly, in linux! A bit of patience is in order ... A big bonus is that I don't ever lose my internet conection in linux. I don't know whether that is the hardware modem or the OS, but it's a big improvement on before. Anyway thanks all. I'm not giving up. Rosemary Another update ; It's 660 pages long whew. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello listers, Thanks to all who replied to my post. I'm sorry - I was pretty unreasonable on reflection. I have been frustrated at one or two things, and also on night duty, which does nothing for my tolerance! I do aplogise for sounding off. Just for interest I had no problems going from win 98 to winXP but mainly because I also went from a ten year old computer with 200mhz processor and 64 mb RAM, to 2Gig and 256! But I certainly found computing a weird world when I first started. The reality is, I have only booted to windows once in the last week and that was to print a letter head with a scanned logo for some work I do. I am learning my way around the various programmes I use, and it isn't actually going to hurt me to use Kmail rather than thunderbird. However I do want to get the webpage printing sorted because need the Rute tutorial in hard copy to refer to. I'll look at the printing suggestion you made Anne. Hope you got Mozilla handy 'cause I'm not sure if Firefox can handle this site but have I got it easy for you Go to this site : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [ note the *.gz bit - Mozilla can handle that - let me know if Firefox can please ] ... At the very top left of this page is this link.. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2 Download that - unzip it - and you have a pdf file to print to hard copy. Warning, I have done this myself with rute and that is a book sized printout. UPDATE: Tried the above link in konqueror and not only did it open the site page but when I did a simple left click on the pdf link, konqueror offered to open it for me there and then .. ( it's downloading as I write this.) So from pdf to printer is a snap - Er... I have xpdf and Acrobat5 installed. The later gives me more printing layout options, though if I were to dig further there would likely be something in kprinter that would do enough to satisfy my requirements. Sort of supports my earlier posting in this thread ... I must use what is available first, then experiment with the latest and greatest. Hope you get Rute sorted. Enjoy. I think the main problem is that I want to run, before I can walk properly, in linux! A bit of patience is in order ... A big bonus is that I don't ever lose my internet conection in linux. I don't know whether that is the hardware modem or the OS, but it's a big improvement on before. Anyway thanks all. I'm not giving up. Rosemary -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:28 am, l_duvall wrote: >> >> Julie Sloan wrote: >> > >> > [...like changing file names -- do you know, in windows, you can't >> > "move," that is to say, "drag and drop" a file with the .exe >> extension? >> > When you try, you end up with a shortcut to the original location. >> > The stupid trick is to rename the file, ie take away the extension, >> > then move it, then >> > restore its original name. That's a stupid trick. >> >> ** An easier trick is to right click, drag, and then select move from >> the >> menu > > See, that's what I get for not reading beyond page 17 ;-) You could read all the way to the last page and not find most of the useful shortcuts. > >> As someone who once upon a time did full-time tech support for Windows >> 95 >> & 98, believe me, you can do as much damage in 95/98 as an ordinary user >> as you can as su in Linux, but 95/98 requires a lot less effort to do >> so. > > But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! You didn't try very hard! I have broke almost every OS I have worked with - no harm in experimenting since that is how you learn - as long as you learn - and you have the time to set aside for reinstalling! ;^) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
> > You and me both. I think for windows power users to make the change is > actually not very easy. The frustration level is so high when you knew > your way around quite complex things and you are having to learn fairly > basic ones. > > > Anyway thanks all. I'm not giving up. > > Good. Enjoy! > > Anne I don't think I can make the claim to being a power user, but I could do the things I wanted to, or manage to teach myself, or find out by fiddling about. I just need to give myself time and practice in the command line until it becomes more familiar. Thanks Rosemary Most things I do don't need command line - I just would like to know! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:52 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > > I think it is actualy harder changing from Windows to Linux, then it is > > starting out fresh with Linux. You have to learn some new ways of doing > > things. If you are starting out fresh, you don't have to "unlearn" > > things. Most people have forgotten the learning process they went > > through when they started using Windows. > > Very true - I had forgotten how *lost* I was when first started using the > computer. Now I'm lost if can't have access to it for a few days! !!!DAYS mhhmmmp. You're not as addicted as I am. Julie-- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:30 am, riccardo wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:19 am, Julie Sloan referred: > >> handy, to have entire duplicate system > > ~ for example . . . have cron daemon, once-a-week, run script :- > Thanks riccardo, I will add this and your "run daily" script into that file of notes I mentioned to Rosemary. FWIW, the lazy way I take notes: first, if I think there is something I need to learn *at this stage*, I hang on to the email for a little while. then later, cleaning out my mailbox, I review it again, deciding if this is something I should make a note of. If so, I mark it some way. Another few days goes by and I'll get the pertinent information out of each of these marked emails and paste into this one big confusing file. I reread the file every week or two, grepping a little more each time. :) It works for me but might not for everyone else. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> > I think it is actualy harder changing from Windows to Linux, then it is > starting out fresh with Linux. You have to learn some new ways of doing > things. If you are starting out fresh, you don't have to "unlearn" > things. Most people have forgotten the learning process they went > through when they started using Windows. > Very true - I had forgotten how *lost* I was when first started using the computer. Now I'm lost if can't have access to it for a few days! > Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP > compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... Personally 98 to XP was easy. But was also to do with capacity of new computer. Rosemary > > Mikkel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> > I've been where you are now Rosemary and I can tell you I did " go back > to windows ", that is until I hit their first freeze at about 5minutes > in wanting to format a simple word document. > > It then dawned on me that though Mandrake was not going along as easy as > some of the stuff I was used to, at least it was going along AND I was > able to fix things there and then. > > So do pop back to windows for a look see and while it is loading try to > recall why it was you needed to look at something different. Yes - when I went back to print a letter head I was *amazed* how long it took to load. > > Isn't Linux now worth the effort ? > > Example: Thunderbird won't cross link but kmail will - beats Outlook > Express injecting you with a virus then abandoning you by reverting to > the dreaded BSOD from where there is only usually one come back. Hadn't used Outlook Express for a long time anyway, getting used to kmail now. > > Reboot. > > Bye Bye all loaded pages I haven't yet read. ( Thankfully I now use > Mozilla both here and in Windows - so when that system crashes I still > have a decent history bar (F9) to get my unread pages back. ) > > Bottom line, use the apps that work in Linux for now and stick to > configuring one preferred app at a time. You get to learn Linux and end > up with the exact app you want. > Good advice - thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:28 am, l_duvall wrote: > >> Julie Sloan wrote: > > > > [...like changing file names -- do you know, in windows, you can't > > "move," that is to say, "drag and drop" a file with the .exe extension? > > When you try, you end up with a shortcut to the original location. > > The stupid trick is to rename the file, ie take away the extension, > > then move it, then > > restore its original name. That's a stupid trick. > > ** An easier trick is to right click, drag, and then select move from the > menu See, that's what I get for not reading beyond page 17 ;-) > As someone who once upon a time did full-time tech support for Windows 95 > & 98, believe me, you can do as much damage in 95/98 as an ordinary user > as you can as su in Linux, but 95/98 requires a lot less effort to do so. But I never broke windows so badly I had to reinstall it! Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 00:41, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 28 Feb 2005 11:11, SnapafunFrank wrote: > > Bottom line, use the apps that work in Linux for now and stick to > > configuring one preferred app at a time. You get to learn Linux and end > > up with the exact app you want. > I remember that when I first started I found that this was the best advice. > The trouble is that the latest and greatest can really be a pain when you > are still learning. I found that to stick to the apps that Mandrake gave > me - apart from plf xine packages etc - was the best philosophy. I still > mainly do, though not entirely these days. Yes I think that's good advice. > > I think you have been a bit unfortunate, too with some of your hardware. > Most of mine worked from the box, but my first efforts at linux were > stymied when my printer could not be made to work and I could not afford to > change it. Things are much better now, drivers are available for many more > things, but there are still some that may never be workable. I'm reasonably confident I'll get the camera going sometime. Haven't actually tried, apart from the hardrake which said it is unsupported. I have found a site which lists some drivers for that camera, just haven't done anything about it. Not a big issue as can back photos up on CDs in windows and play with them in Mandrake. I was lucky that my printer worked right off, and when I tried linux two years ago a LUG person got my printer going then. > > Don't get depressed. Work a little in both worlds until you feel most > things are working, then you should be able to spend increasing time in the > linux world. Already I am working mostly in linux. I will need to keep windows for Family Tree stuff anyway. > > Anne Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 06:19, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > Hello listers, > > Thanks to all who replied to my post. I'm sorry - I was pretty > unreasonable on reflection. I have been frustrated at one or two things, > and also on night duty, which does nothing for my tolerance! I do aplogise > for sounding off. > A sound-off relieves things, often No apology needed. > > I think the main problem is that I want to run, before I can walk properly, > in linux! A bit of patience is in order ... > You and me both. I think for windows power users to make the change is actually not very easy. The frustration level is so high when you knew your way around quite complex things and you are having to learn fairly basic ones. > Anyway thanks all. I'm not giving up. > Good. Enjoy! Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCJCq4kFAvMr/nNX8RAjsfAJ9uuvS9Z8rMSXfwq/92ClR3c6MbZQCfWX6b 8JmXczISlvzMS4Ug//sxDS8= =NQO3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 Mar 2005 07:59, Julie Sloan wrote: > > [...like changing file names -- do you know, in windows, you can't "move," > that is to say, "drag and drop" a file with the .exe extension? When you > try, you end up with a shortcut to the original location. The stupid > trick is to rename the file, ie take away the extension, then move it, then > restore its original name. That's a stupid trick. I learned dozens of > those by breaking things, which is probaby why I have friends calling my up > to troubleshoot for them.] > OT - you can, easily. Ctrl-drag copies and Shift-drag moves. At least it does in 98 and I think it still does in XP. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCJCiIkFAvMr/nNX8RAuwmAJ9JpLAdj2r+MG3AaMEdFBZb7bGfWgCfZuHU g2xoL7G3hZ1eYcw3eiMn2co= =d25y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:19 am, Julie Sloan referred: >> handy, to have entire duplicate system ~ for example . . . have cron daemon, once-a-week, run script :- __ . #!/bin/sh # # use rsync to backup / to /dev/hdb6 on Sunday # mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb6 /mnt # df cd rsync -avr --delete --delete-after --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/proc --exclude=/tmp / /mnt cd cp /mnt/etc/fstab.6bak /mnt/etc/fstab df umount /mnt cd best rgds ___ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
> On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Julie Sloan wrote: >> > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> >>Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to >> >> XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... >> > >> > What about it? >> > snip > Linux was harder, no question about it. > > I had zero computer experience before my six years of win95 & 98. I was > so > illiterate in 1998 that I had to use the manual to learn how to power my > first computer (a Tosh laptop) on! > > In win I already knew the internal structure and file system. I knew > about > tools like the disc defragmenter, and several different ways to navigate > the file system, and stupid tricks > > [...like changing file names -- do you know, in windows, you can't "move," > that is to say, "drag and drop" a file with the .exe extension? When you > try, you end up with a shortcut to the original location. The stupid > trick is to rename the file, ie take away the extension, then move it, > then > restore its original name. That's a stupid trick. ** An easier trick is to right click, drag, and then select move from the menu >I learned dozens of > those by breaking things, which is probaby why I have friends calling my > up > to troubleshoot for them.] > > The best advice came from page 17 of my Tosh manual (yes, I remember > this ;-) ), which paraphrased, is, "don't be afraid of it. Its just a > machine. Chances are you can't mess it up too badly." At that point I snip As someone who once upon a time did full-time tech support for Windows 95 & 98, believe me, you can do as much damage in 95/98 as an ordinary user as you can as su in Linux, but 95/98 requires a lot less effort to do so. With Linux you have to BECOME su to start breaking things - you have to make the little bit of extra effort to log on as su. Anyone, at any time can break 95/98 and on too many XP Home machines the same is also true, since it seems, at least for many of the people that I know, they run their XP machines using the administrator account. There is nothing to stop you from doing the same in Linux, but at least Mandrake will warn you when you start KDE that it is a bad idea. LeRoy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 03:11 am, riccardo wrote: > On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:59 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > > Which is why I'm on my fourth > > reinstall. > > ___ > > ~ maybe, it is handy, to have entire duplicate system, on a spare > partition . . . a matter of moments, with RSYNC > Thanks! I'll add that to my list of things to try. :) The trouble is, there is so much to learn and so much to do and so few hours in a day, that I have only scraped the surface of all the good advice and tips I've been given. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:59 am, Julie Sloan wrote: > Which is why I'm on my fourth > reinstall. ___ ~ maybe, it is handy, to have entire duplicate system, on a spare partition . . . a matter of moments, with RSYNC best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Monday 28 February 2005 09:26 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >>Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to > >> XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > > > > What about it? > > > > I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I > > was waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. > > > > Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my > > neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into > > Window$ is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two > > or three weeks ago, I'd guess. > > > > Julie > > Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? Linux was harder, no question about it. I had zero computer experience before my six years of win95 & 98. I was so illiterate in 1998 that I had to use the manual to learn how to power my first computer (a Tosh laptop) on! In win I already knew the internal structure and file system. I knew about tools like the disc defragmenter, and several different ways to navigate the file system, and stupid tricks [...like changing file names -- do you know, in windows, you can't "move," that is to say, "drag and drop" a file with the .exe extension? When you try, you end up with a shortcut to the original location. The stupid trick is to rename the file, ie take away the extension, then move it, then restore its original name. That's a stupid trick. I learned dozens of those by breaking things, which is probaby why I have friends calling my up to troubleshoot for them.] The best advice came from page 17 of my Tosh manual (yes, I remember this ;-) ), which paraphrased, is, "don't be afraid of it. Its just a machine. Chances are you can't mess it up too badly." At that point I put away the manual and started breaking things. And this is my handicap in migrating to linux. In the CL as su you CAN mess it up too badly, and I just don't have the internal discipline to wait until I know what I'm doing to go there. Which is why I'm on my fourth reinstall. ;-) But I'm having fun, and each time I know a little more. Every day I say to myself (about something different each time), "well, I won't do THAT again." Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Monday 28 February 2005 09:39 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 06:16 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to > > > XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > > > > What about it? > > > > I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I > > was waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. > > > > Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my > > neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into > > Window$ is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two > > or three weeks ago, I'd guess. > > Why into windows to print? Lexmark Z715 AND I guess now is as good a time as any to google that again, because I DID once see a mention of *a driver that even works on my Lexmark Z715* but at the time was having too many other issues to follow up on it. here it is: http://www.twowheels.us/linux/ will let you know if this resolves it. thanks for the nudge. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues - apology
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 06:19 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > to use Kmail rather than ~ __ Kmail . . . one of the Best :) best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] various issues - apology
Hello listers, Thanks to all who replied to my post. I'm sorry - I was pretty unreasonable on reflection. I have been frustrated at one or two things, and also on night duty, which does nothing for my tolerance! I do aplogise for sounding off. Just for interest I had no problems going from win 98 to winXP but mainly because I also went from a ten year old computer with 200mhz processor and 64 mb RAM, to 2Gig and 256! But I certainly found computing a weird world when I first started. The reality is, I have only booted to windows once in the last week and that was to print a letter head with a scanned logo for some work I do. I am learning my way around the various programmes I use, and it isn't actually going to hurt me to use Kmail rather than thunderbird. However I do want to get the webpage printing sorted because need the Rute tutorial in hard copy to refer to. I'll look at the printing suggestion you made Anne. I think the main problem is that I want to run, before I can walk properly, in linux! A bit of patience is in order ... A big bonus is that I don't ever lose my internet conection in linux. I don't know whether that is the hardware modem or the OS, but it's a big improvement on before. Anyway thanks all. I'm not giving up. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Julie Sloan wrote: On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... What about it? I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I was waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into Window$ is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two or three weeks ago, I'd guess. Julie Was it harder adapting to XP, or Linux? It is not something I can judge, as I have only limmited experence with XP, and it is always a chalange for me to find my way around it. But I had plenty of "command line" experence before I started using Linux. My home experence dates back to CP/M of an 8085 system. (I don't cound the system that booted from paper tape...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 20:05 -0600, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 07:37 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > > On Monday 28 February 2005 05:32 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > > > Maybe I am being unecessarily negative about linux. But it does > > > seem that one has to work inordinately hard to achivee some basic > > > functions. I have reverted to Kmail simply because I can't get links to > > > browser to open from Tbird. It seems this may a Tbird problem rather > > > than Mandrake or linux. Nonetheless - fixes suggested, other than > > > command line, which is beyond me as a newbie, don't work. I guess of > > > course, that it's possible that I am entering text incorrectly. > > > At the moment I understand why linux has the reputation that it has. I > > > *do* appreciate all the help I've had. > > > > > > Wondering about going back to windows > > > > Oh, don't do that. Judging by the questions you have asked you seem much > > more competent in linux than I am, and I'm going to stick it out. Even > > though I've managed to break it so badly I've reinstalled from disk FOUR > > times so far this year LOL & LOL some more... and just this last time > > learned I can cache the damn rpms and not have to go through this a-hole of > > a downloading hell every time for my updates. I feel really stupid here. > > Do you have any linux books? I have two and ordered a third and although I > > can only absorb like a page a day, maybe if I have a book in every room I > > will read more of it ;-) I won't say I've learned any CL beyond the most > > basic mv, cp and rm, but I find it helps to practice, and to have the > > directory you're playing with open in the GUI as well as in the Console. > > That way you can see what's happening. ;-) > > > > Other than that I play a lot of KBounce and KBreakout and surf and email > > and not much else yet. I have a couple of (very disorganized) text files > > of notes & tips & so on I've collected I'd be glad to email you if you > > like. (It'll add to the confusion) and if it's any consolation KMail is > > the only mailer that so far has done everything I've asked of it. > > > > Julie (in Kentucky) > I agree with Julie, don't give up. You are much more competent than I was > when > I started with Linux in 1998. (I think). I am not a computer guru, geek (well > a wannabe maybe) or programmer and have to wear a name tag to remember my own > name, but I have progressed to the point where I don't ask questions unless > I absolutely exhaust all my references and googles. And I love it. I laugh in > the face of viruses and snear at worms and have shaken the dust from my feet > in leaving MS. Oh, wait I'm getting carried away again. I preach to anyone > who will listen about linux. Sorry, Everything takes time to learn. That includes windows! How long did it take you to learn to use a computer in the beginning with any semblance of skill? I have had a terrible time changing because I was virtually computer illiterate to begin with, but I was dissatisfied enough with windows ME to give linux a try. I didn't do enough research, and got a winmodem that would almost work (it got me on line 3 times). After that it would display an error that I got no answers to at two mail lists, and a google search turned up the same error reported by others, but no answer. I also started out with a copy of Mandrake 9.1 powerpack bought from Amazon. But that was a bad idea too, because I was installing it on a new custom built computer, so all the hardware was newer than the software. It appears to me that you have smarter than me in the start of your venture into linux. It has been almost a year since I started playing with this new computer, and it has only been fully operational (internet capable) for a few months. Already I have been spoiled by the browsers, and the variety of programs available for download. Also, if you want to experiment, check out a site that sells download linux distributions. For about $25 you can get Mandrake 10.1, Suse 9.2 Pro, and Fedora Core 3 at linuxcd.com. You might also try the Gnome desktop if you haven't already. I prefer the Evolution e-mail program, and am running it currently from KDE. I haven' tried thunderbird, so can't offer any help there. Just remember that if you stay with Microsoft you still have to be carefull which version you are running. My father has been corresponding with a windows newbi list for several years, and a lot of the people on that list refuse to upgrade from Win98! That would be for the reson that 98 is a more secure os in their oppinion than xp. But, whatever you decide, good luck, and have fun! ~Lorin > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > ___
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Monday 28 February 2005 06:16 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP > > compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > > What about it? > > I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I was > waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. > > Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my > neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into Window$ > is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two or three > weeks ago, I'd guess. Why into windows to print? > > Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Monday 28 February 2005 12:06 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > > Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP > compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > What about it? I went from 98 to XP last summer, and learned my way around XP while I was waiting for my linux CDs to arrive. Now I make a little "pin money" troubleshooting XP systems in my neighborhood, but the only time *this* *here* computer boots into Window$ is when I need to print something. That was today, and ...two or three weeks ago, I'd guess. Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
On Monday 28 February 2005 07:37 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 05:32 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: > > Maybe I am being unecessarily negative about linux. But it does > > seem that one has to work inordinately hard to achivee some basic > > functions. I have reverted to Kmail simply because I can't get links to > > browser to open from Tbird. It seems this may a Tbird problem rather > > than Mandrake or linux. Nonetheless - fixes suggested, other than > > command line, which is beyond me as a newbie, don't work. I guess of > > course, that it's possible that I am entering text incorrectly. > > At the moment I understand why linux has the reputation that it has. I > > *do* appreciate all the help I've had. > > > > Wondering about going back to windows > > Oh, don't do that. Judging by the questions you have asked you seem much > more competent in linux than I am, and I'm going to stick it out. Even > though I've managed to break it so badly I've reinstalled from disk FOUR > times so far this year LOL & LOL some more... and just this last time > learned I can cache the damn rpms and not have to go through this a-hole of > a downloading hell every time for my updates. I feel really stupid here. > Do you have any linux books? I have two and ordered a third and although I > can only absorb like a page a day, maybe if I have a book in every room I > will read more of it ;-) I won't say I've learned any CL beyond the most > basic mv, cp and rm, but I find it helps to practice, and to have the > directory you're playing with open in the GUI as well as in the Console. > That way you can see what's happening. ;-) > > Other than that I play a lot of KBounce and KBreakout and surf and email > and not much else yet. I have a couple of (very disorganized) text files > of notes & tips & so on I've collected I'd be glad to email you if you > like. (It'll add to the confusion) and if it's any consolation KMail is > the only mailer that so far has done everything I've asked of it. > > Julie (in Kentucky) I agree with Julie, don't give up. You are much more competent than I was when I started with Linux in 1998. (I think). I am not a computer guru, geek (well a wannabe maybe) or programmer and have to wear a name tag to remember my own name, but I have progressed to the point where I don't ask questions unless I absolutely exhaust all my references and googles. And I love it. I laugh in the face of viruses and snear at worms and have shaken the dust from my feet in leaving MS. Oh, wait I'm getting carried away again. I preach to anyone who will listen about linux. Sorry, -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Maybe I am being unecessarily negative about linux. But it does seem that one has to work inordinately hard to achivee some basic functions. I have reverted to Kmail simply because I can't get links to browser to open from Tbird. It seems this may a Tbird problem rather than Mandrake or linux. Nonetheless - fixes suggested, other than command line, which is beyond me as a newbie, don't work. I guess of course, that it's possible that I am entering text incorrectly. At the moment I understand why linux has the reputation that it has. I *do* appreciate all the help I've had. Wondering about going back to windows Whatever is best for you Rosemary. I love Linux, but live on solar power in the bush using a laptop, no serial port, with 31000 kbps Internet access. The desktop uses too much power, but it runs Linux and connects to the net when we have a bit of spare electrical power. But I use mainly the lappy, reworked of course, not as out of the store, and windows XP, the modem and all else works out of the box for that. I like windows well enough, just not their philosophy. I love Linux, but can't download the kernels etc,. that are required for me to get either the PCMCIA modem working, the USB to serial connector working or the winmodem working. So use what you can and have and know. Experiment, I do much of my writing and other work that doesn't require Internet connection in Linux, and Use windows for everything else. Computers are not about Linux, but about what you need or want to do. It depends on the individual but nothing is better, just different. I have come through from Red Hat, Slackware, Suse, even tried Debian for a while and so on. They are all good, I just happen to like Mandrake. Just can't use it on the net at the moment. Just enjoy, don't sweat it, this is not an all or nothing situation. Be well, Charlie. -- Though night after night. The moon is stream reflected, Try to find where it has touched. Point even to a shadow. - Takuan (1573 - 1645) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/2005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 28 Feb 2005 17:06, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > I think it is actualy harder changing from Windows to Linux, then it is > starting out fresh with Linux. You have to learn some new ways of doing > things. If you are starting out fresh, you don't have to "unlearn" > things. Most people have forgotten the learning process they went > through when they started using Windows. > The trouble is that you are coming in with probably years of experience in windows, so you are proficient and probably adventurous because you are confident. Suddenly all the props are gone and you can land yourself in trouble while you are learning afresh. Scarey. Without the Mandrake lists I would never have made it. > Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP > compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... > I occasionally have to do some work on an XP box for friends or family and I just can't hack it. I have to get the settings back to classic 98 style or I spend more time looking for things and cussing than actually doing the job :-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCI1oKkFAvMr/nNX8RAtUyAJ9tW3XId8eyzxb+olVKimJ0XbniugCcCCuP mmxUsLUAwAlkqyRCgq5nF1M= =bbHQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 28 Feb 2005 11:11, SnapafunFrank wrote: Bottom line, use the apps that work in Linux for now and stick to configuring one preferred app at a time. You get to learn Linux and end up with the exact app you want. Coffee fix required me thinks. I remember that when I first started I found that this was the best advice. The trouble is that the latest and greatest can really be a pain when you are still learning. I found that to stick to the apps that Mandrake gave me - apart from plf xine packages etc - was the best philosophy. I still mainly do, though not entirely these days. I think you have been a bit unfortunate, too with some of your hardware. Most of mine worked from the box, but my first efforts at linux were stymied when my printer could not be made to work and I could not afford to change it. Things are much better now, drivers are available for many more things, but there are still some that may never be workable. Don't get depressed. Work a little in both worlds until you feel most things are working, then you should be able to spend increasing time in the linux world. Anne > I think it is actualy harder changing from Windows to Linux, then it is starting out fresh with Linux. You have to learn some new ways of doing things. If you are starting out fresh, you don't have to "unlearn" things. Most people have forgotten the learning process they went through when they started using Windows. Now, what I would like to see sometime is changing from Windows 98 to XP compaired to changing from 98 to Linux... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 28 Feb 2005 11:11, SnapafunFrank wrote: > Bottom line, use the apps that work in Linux for now and stick to > configuring one preferred app at a time. You get to learn Linux and end > up with the exact app you want. > > Coffee fix required me thinks. I remember that when I first started I found that this was the best advice. The trouble is that the latest and greatest can really be a pain when you are still learning. I found that to stick to the apps that Mandrake gave me - apart from plf xine packages etc - was the best philosophy. I still mainly do, though not entirely these days. I think you have been a bit unfortunate, too with some of your hardware. Most of mine worked from the box, but my first efforts at linux were stymied when my printer could not be made to work and I could not afford to change it. Things are much better now, drivers are available for many more things, but there are still some that may never be workable. Don't get depressed. Work a little in both worlds until you feel most things are working, then you should be able to spend increasing time in the linux world. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCIwNfkFAvMr/nNX8RAjgEAJ9nQ5mdtoCPQWYRbF6QiNk/Em5yDQCfQWbQ 9JYFSXhHm21gViT5RmydKSY= =iGuw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] various issues
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Maybe I am being unecessarily negative about linux. But it does seem that one has to work inordinately hard to achivee some basic functions. I have reverted to Kmail simply because I can't get links to browser to open from Tbird. It seems this may a Tbird problem rather than Mandrake or linux. Nonetheless - fixes suggested, other than command line, which is beyond me as a newbie, don't work. I guess of course, that it's possible that I am entering text incorrectly. At the moment I understand why linux has the reputation that it has. I *do* appreciate all the help I've had. Wondering about going back to windows I've been where you are now Rosemary and I can tell you I did " go back to windows ", that is until I hit their first freeze at about 5minutes in wanting to format a simple word document. It then dawned on me that though Mandrake was not going along as easy as some of the stuff I was used to, at least it was going along AND I was able to fix things there and then. So do pop back to windows for a look see and while it is loading try to recall why it was you needed to look at something different. Isn't Linux now worth the effort ? Example: Thunderbird won't cross link but kmail will - beats Outlook Express injecting you with a virus then abandoning you by reverting to the dreaded BSOD from where there is only usually one come back. Reboot. Bye Bye all loaded pages I haven't yet read. ( Thankfully I now use Mozilla both here and in Windows - so when that system crashes I still have a decent history bar (F9) to get my unread pages back. ) Bottom line, use the apps that work in Linux for now and stick to configuring one preferred app at a time. You get to learn Linux and end up with the exact app you want. Coffee fix required me thinks. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] various issues
Maybe I am being unecessarily negative about linux. But it does seem that one has to work inordinately hard to achivee some basic functions. I have reverted to Kmail simply because I can't get links to browser to open from Tbird. It seems this may a Tbird problem rather than Mandrake or linux. Nonetheless - fixes suggested, other than command line, which is beyond me as a newbie, don't work. I guess of course, that it's possible that I am entering text incorrectly. At the moment I understand why linux has the reputation that it has. I *do* appreciate all the help I've had. Wondering about going back to windows Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Various Issues
PS: I really should have said that the first resource mentioned below is "excellent" instead of "pretty good" -- it hit the spot for me -- ymmv. Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: > > Paul Kraus wrote: > > Anyone know any good sources for information on learning to do everything in the >command line? > > I'm starting a list here: > > http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxResources > > I discovered the first item on the list just recently and think it is > pretty good -- it is not focused just on the command line, but the > majority deals with the command line -- I noticed only one factual error > re hard links (I might have missed some). > > > Any good documentation on Samba? > > Another list: > > http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaResources > > Feel free to add to the list if you find other good ones. (There have > been other resources mentioned on the list lately (for Linux) -- I've > saved some of the emails an plan to add at least some of those.) > > Can't help you with your other questions. > > Randy Kramer > > > On enlightenment screen shots I always see these monitoring icons. The have >temperture ram and all sorts of information. When I do my intall and examine the >packages I see that there as a package that seems to be these icons that is >installed. How do I put them on the desktop? > > > > Mdk found two nic cards on my machine eth0 eth1. eth0 never works. eth1 fails >every time that the machine is started. However once I get to the desktop I can go >into mandrake config, networking, connections, expert, then eth1, then activate. and >off it goes with everything working the way it is supposed to. Anyone know a >permenant fix for this? Anyone know of a command line command to get the same result? > > > > VMWARE > > -=-=-=- > > FYI for anyone that so my previous post about problems with VMWARE not booting or >installing an os. The problem was related to the s3 savage driver. When I replaced it >so that open office would work, vmware also started to work. Just thought you laptop >people might be interested. > > > > Paul Kraus > > > > --- > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Various Issues
Paul Kraus wrote: > Anyone know any good sources for information on learning to do everything in the >command line? I'm starting a list here: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxResources I discovered the first item on the list just recently and think it is pretty good -- it is not focused just on the command line, but the majority deals with the command line -- I noticed only one factual error re hard links (I might have missed some). > Any good documentation on Samba? Another list: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaResources Feel free to add to the list if you find other good ones. (There have been other resources mentioned on the list lately (for Linux) -- I've saved some of the emails an plan to add at least some of those.) Can't help you with your other questions. Randy Kramer > On enlightenment screen shots I always see these monitoring icons. The have >temperture ram and all sorts of information. When I do my intall and examine the >packages I see that there as a package that seems to be these icons that is >installed. How do I put them on the desktop? > > Mdk found two nic cards on my machine eth0 eth1. eth0 never works. eth1 fails every >time that the machine is started. However once I get to the desktop I can go into >mandrake config, networking, connections, expert, then eth1, then activate. and off >it goes with everything working the way it is supposed to. Anyone know a permenant >fix for this? Anyone know of a command line command to get the same result? > > VMWARE > -=-=-=- > FYI for anyone that so my previous post about problems with VMWARE not booting or >installing an os. The problem was related to the s3 savage driver. When I replaced it >so that open office would work, vmware also started to work. Just thought you laptop >people might be interested. > > Paul Kraus > > --- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Various Issues
Ok I have a couple questions. I am running a 733mhz gateway solo laptop with 196mb. I am using Enlightenment as my window mandager and that is it. No kde or gnome. Questions -=-=-=-= Anyone know any good sources for information on learning to do everything in the command line? Any good documentation on Samba? On enlightenment screen shots I always see these monitoring icons. The have temperture ram and all sorts of information. When I do my intall and examine the packages I see that there as a package that seems to be these icons that is installed. How do I put them on the desktop? Mdk found two nic cards on my machine eth0 eth1. eth0 never works. eth1 fails every time that the machine is started. However once I get to the desktop I can go into mandrake config, networking, connections, expert, then eth1, then activate. and off it goes with everything working the way it is supposed to. Anyone know a permenant fix for this? Anyone know of a command line command to get the same result? VMWARE -=-=-=- FYI for anyone that so my previous post about problems with VMWARE not booting or installing an os. The problem was related to the s3 savage driver. When I replaced it so that open office would work, vmware also started to work. Just thought you laptop people might be interested. Paul Kraus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com