Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 2:54 pm, Nashib .J. wrote: > Hi everybody, > Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with > two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for > M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My > question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will > install it in the futur. The correct procedure is definitely to install windows first (I can't believe I actually said that!!) I have WIN98SE for compatibility purposes which I use about 5 per cent of the time and ML8.2 which I use for the rest of my needs. I have had various flavours of windows running along with linux and I put lilo in my /boot partition and use XOSL (a nifty free graphical bootloader) available from www.xosl.org - This allows me to change settings or upgrade at any time and XOSL will immediately recognise the new OS without any real dramas. Linux is by far a better OS and I'm slowly weaning myself off my Microsoft dependency problems Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:10, David wrote: > Brian Parish said onto me: > -- > > |On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 14:54, Nashib .J. wrote: > |> Hi everybody, > |> Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk > |> with two primary > > fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for M.Linux > installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My question is, > will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will install it in the > futur. > > |I see some other replies, but as Windows was not there when you > |installed Linux, just running lilo may not be enough. > > > -- > > Not to be argumentative, but I have just (within the last two days), done > just that. > > I had Mandrake 8.2 on a machine, and then installed Win2K Server (for > training purposes only, I assure you). But here's the hitch...*some* > versions of windoze require a reboot before the install in complete. And > this reboot is *before* the installer writes the MBR. (Read: install could > not complete since the MBR was still intact and pointed to Linux) > > So, what I had to do was (this was mid-install of win): > boot into Linux, > backup lilo.conf, > create a blank file named lilo.conf, > run lilo, > and reboot. This booted into and completed the win install. > > Then: > boot from MDK CD1, > F1 for more options, > repair boot loader, > reboot into Linux, > append the windoze info to lilo.conf, > and run lilo again. > > Done. Now, wasn't that simple? ;) > > HTH > Dave Another damn good reason for installing windows first. But surely the alternative to this palaver would be to boot the Windows restore floppy. Type "fdisk /MBR", then do your windows install... thus allowing the reboot into windows during its install. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
Winblows is a MBR hog.. it's gotta have those first (what is it.. 80 clusters? been too long since i've tried dual boot on one drive.) so ya have to fake it out and put winblows on first. (what's on second, i don't know's on third :-P) On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 23:43, Chris Ames wrote: > >From what I've seen and heard (and know myself) Windows will kill LiLo when > you load Windows after Linux. If you were to install them in the reverse > order, you won't have any problems. Also, LiLo doesn't mind Windows. Windows > doesn't really care for LiLo. LiLo will see Windows, no problem, and you'll > be able to load it from there without a problem at all. But you have to > install Windows first. Quite frankly, I went from pure Windows to pure > Mandrake 8.2 and ask me if I miss Windows. I'll tell you HELL no, though I DO > miss a bit of the functionality. But I can wait until I can afford Winex, and > then I won't have that complaint left either. > > SeaWolvn1 > > - > > Hi everybody, > Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with > two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for > M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My > question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will > install it in the futur. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
On Tue, 21 May 2002 02:47:17 -0300 Damian G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002 08:54:27 +0400 > "Nashib .J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk > > with two primary fat32 for windows98 installation > > and used the free space for M.Linux installation. I > > installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My > > question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise > > windows98 when I will install it in the futur. > > > > hm.. to tell you the truth, you should have intalled windoze first. > when you install windows now, it will overwrite the LILO entry in your > MBR, so your computer will boot straight into windows, no questions > asked. > > so, make a linux bootdisk now. install windoze, and then, to get back > into linux, you will have to use the bootdisk and restore lilo by > logging in as root and executing /sbin/lilo at a command-line > terminal. > > don't worry, windows will be recognized OK. Will it? Wouldn't you have to put an entry for windows in /etc/lilo.conf? Or does Mandrake simply recognize that there's a fat32 partition. I'm just curious how that would work with no working windoze installation yet. Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
Dimitris Ioannou said onto me: -- |Hi Graham, |Winds##t have to be installed first (if we're talking |about the 9X series 95,98,ME) because they need to |write the boot sector during installation, otherwise |setup won't continue.Something that won't happen when |you install XP or 2000 or NT4 even, I think. Now, in |the case that someone has already installed Linux and |needs to install Win98,or 95 or ME he will face the |following situation. When his computer boots it will |boot only in Winblows. To overcome this he should |,before installing Winblows,create a floppy-boot disk |from Mandrake Control Center and keep it. After the |installation of Windblows is finished he should boot |from the floppy and then the Linux will boot |normally.Then as root in a terminal should be typed |/sbin/lilo. That's it. Everytime the computer boots |the Lilo welcoming screen will appear asking the user |whether he wishes to boot in Linux or in Winblows. | |Cheers | |Dimitris -- Dimitris, You are correct. Win**t does need to reboot before installation will continue. But, I have developed a rather-simple workaround. Please, read my previous posts on his thread. You should find it interesting. HTH Dave -- °°° David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Mandrake 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Sylpheed 0.7.5claws Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: www.davidlsteiner.com °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
Derek Jennings said onto me: -- |On Tuesday 21 May 2002 12:30 pm, Dimitris Ioannou wrote: |> Hi Graham, |> Winds##t have to be installed first (if we're talking |> about the 9X series 95,98,ME) because they need to |> write the boot sector during installation, otherwise |> setup won't continue.Something that won't happen when |> you install XP or 2000 or NT4 even, I think. Now, in |> the case that someone has already installed Linux and |> needs to install Win98,or 95 or ME he will face the |> following situation. When his computer boots it will |> boot only in Winblows. To overcome this he should |> ,before installing Winblows,create a floppy-boot disk |> from Mandrake Control Center and keep it. After the |> installation of Windblows is finished he should boot |> from the floppy and then the Linux will boot |> normally.Then as root in a terminal should be typed |> /sbin/lilo. That's it. Everytime the computer boots |> the Lilo welcoming screen will appear asking the user |> whether he wishes to boot in Linux or in Winblows. |> |> Cheers |> |> Dimitris | |With Mandrake 8.2 it is now a little easier to recover your boot config. |You no longer need a boot floppy. Just boot from CD1 and when you get the |initial splash screen hit 'Esc' then at the prompt type |rescue |You will be presented with a little menu, one item is to restore the Lilo |boot config. |Thats it done... | | |derek -- Yes, this is an easier way. But note, this will not append the windoze info. That should be done manually (in lilo.conf) or via drakconf. -- °°° David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Mandrake 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Sylpheed 0.7.5claws Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: www.davidlsteiner.com °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
Brian Parish said onto me: -- |On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 14:54, Nashib .J. wrote: |> Hi everybody, |> Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will install it in the futur. | |I see some other replies, but as Windows was not there when you |installed Linux, just running lilo may not be enough. -- Not to be argumentative, but I have just (within the last two days), done just that. I had Mandrake 8.2 on a machine, and then installed Win2K Server (for training purposes only, I assure you). But here's the hitch...*some* versions of windoze require a reboot before the install in complete. And this reboot is *before* the installer writes the MBR. (Read: install could not complete since the MBR was still intact and pointed to Linux) So, what I had to do was (this was mid-install of win): boot into Linux, backup lilo.conf, create a blank file named lilo.conf, run lilo, and reboot. This booted into and completed the win install. Then: boot from MDK CD1, F1 for more options, repair boot loader, reboot into Linux, append the windoze info to lilo.conf, and run lilo again. Done. Now, wasn't that simple? ;) HTH Dave -- °°° David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Mandrake 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Sylpheed 0.7.5claws Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: www.davidlsteiner.com °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 12:30 pm, Dimitris Ioannou wrote: > Hi Graham, > Winds##t have to be installed first (if we're talking > about the 9X series 95,98,ME) because they need to > write the boot sector during installation, otherwise > setup won't continue.Something that won't happen when > you install XP or 2000 or NT4 even, I think. Now, in > the case that someone has already installed Linux and > needs to install Win98,or 95 or ME he will face the > following situation. When his computer boots it will > boot only in Winblows. To overcome this he should > ,before installing Winblows,create a floppy-boot disk > from Mandrake Control Center and keep it. After the > installation of Windblows is finished he should boot > from the floppy and then the Linux will boot > normally.Then as root in a terminal should be typed > /sbin/lilo. That's it. Everytime the computer boots > the Lilo welcoming screen will appear asking the user > whether he wishes to boot in Linux or in Winblows. > > Cheers > > Dimitris With Mandrake 8.2 it is now a little easier to recover your boot config. You no longer need a boot floppy. Just boot from CD1 and when you get the initial splash screen hit 'Esc' then at the prompt type rescue You will be presented with a little menu, one item is to restore the Lilo boot config. Thats it done... derek > > > > --- Graham Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > &eacgr;&ggr;&rgr;&agr;&psgr;&egr;: > Nashib .J. wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Can someone help me, I have > > > > partitioned my harddisk with > > > > > two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and > > > > used the free space for > > > > > M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on > > > > the hard disk. My > > > > > question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise > > > > windows98 when I will > > > > > install it in the futur. > > > > Somebody more knowledgeable is welcome to correct me > > on this but I have > > always understood that it is only possible to run > > Windows if it is > > installed on the first sector of the primary hard > > disk. Hence you will > > need to install windows first and then install > > Linux. > > > > -- > > Graham Watkins > > > > For me, morning begins when I realize that the soft > > warm body curled up > > next to me is a cat. (Kinky Friedman - Frequent > > Flyer) > > > > Registered Linux user number 265254 > > http://counter.li.org > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > > MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > Do You Yahoo!? > &Agr;&pgr;&ogr;&kgr;&tgr;&eeacgr;&sgr;&tgr;&egr; &tgr;&eegr; &dgr;&ohgr;&rgr;&egr;&aacgr;&ngr; @yahoo.gr &dgr;&igr;&egr;&uacgr;&thgr;&ugr;&ngr;&sgr;&eegr; &sgr;&agr;&sfgr; &sgr;&tgr;&ogr; http://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
Hi Graham, Winds##t have to be installed first (if we're talking about the 9X series 95,98,ME) because they need to write the boot sector during installation, otherwise setup won't continue.Something that won't happen when you install XP or 2000 or NT4 even, I think. Now, in the case that someone has already installed Linux and needs to install Win98,or 95 or ME he will face the following situation. When his computer boots it will boot only in Winblows. To overcome this he should ,before installing Winblows,create a floppy-boot disk from Mandrake Control Center and keep it. After the installation of Windblows is finished he should boot from the floppy and then the Linux will boot normally.Then as root in a terminal should be typed /sbin/lilo. That's it. Everytime the computer boots the Lilo welcoming screen will appear asking the user whether he wishes to boot in Linux or in Winblows. Cheers Dimitris --- Graham Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &eacgr;&ggr;&rgr;&agr;&psgr;&egr;: > Nashib .J. wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Can someone help me, I have > partitioned my harddisk with > > two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and > used the free space for > > M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on > the hard disk. My > > question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise > windows98 when I will > > install it in the futur. > > > > Somebody more knowledgeable is welcome to correct me > on this but I have > always understood that it is only possible to run > Windows if it is > installed on the first sector of the primary hard > disk. Hence you will > need to install windows first and then install > Linux. > > -- > Graham Watkins > > For me, morning begins when I realize that the soft > warm body curled up > next to me is a cat. (Kinky Friedman - Frequent > Flyer) > > Registered Linux user number 265254 > http://counter.li.org > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Do You Yahoo!? &Agr;&pgr;&ogr;&kgr;&tgr;&eeacgr;&sgr;&tgr;&egr; &tgr;&eegr; &dgr;&ohgr;&rgr;&egr;&aacgr;&ngr; @yahoo.gr &dgr;&igr;&egr;&uacgr;&thgr;&ugr;&ngr;&sgr;&eegr; &sgr;&agr;&sfgr; &sgr;&tgr;&ogr; http://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
On Tue, 21 May 2002 08:54:27 +0400 "Nashib .J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everybody, > Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with two primary >fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for M.Linux installation. I >installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My question is, will the Lilo boot loader >recognise windows98 when I will install it in the futur. > hm.. to tell you the truth, you should have intalled windoze first. when you install windows now, it will overwrite the LILO entry in your MBR, so your computer will boot straight into windows, no questions asked. so, make a linux bootdisk now. install windoze, and then, to get back into linux, you will have to use the bootdisk and restore lilo by logging in as root and executing /sbin/lilo at a command-line terminal. don't worry, windows will be recognized OK. HTH Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows 98 installation
>From what I've seen and heard (and know myself) Windows will kill LiLo when you load Windows after Linux. If you were to install them in the reverse order, you won't have any problems. Also, LiLo doesn't mind Windows. Windows doesn't really care for LiLo. LiLo will see Windows, no problem, and you'll be able to load it from there without a problem at all. But you have to install Windows first. Quite frankly, I went from pure Windows to pure Mandrake 8.2 and ask me if I miss Windows. I'll tell you HELL no, though I DO miss a bit of the functionality. But I can wait until I can afford Winex, and then I won't have that complaint left either. SeaWolvn1 - Hi everybody, Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will install it in the futur. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] windows 98 installation
Hi everybody, Can someone help me, I have partitioned my harddisk with two primary fat32 for windows98 installation and used the free space for M.Linux installation. I installed M.Linux first on the hard disk. My question is, will the Lilo boot loader recognise windows98 when I will install it in the futur.
