Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
On Wednesday 27 March 2002 03:13 pm, you wrote: > Kaj, > > Thanks for the response -- looks like "flosculature" will do the job. > ;-) > > regards, > Randy Kramer > > Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Yes, Randy. In danish a "floskel" is some "buzzword" that > > talkative,unconscious people repeat over and over again, whenever they > > are short of real arguments. They tend to think it makes them look > > intelligent. To them, silence is unthinkable. Floculant in engineering or chemical terms is a material in water or more importantly sewage treatment that clumps very small particles together to get them to have enough mass to settle out of the liquid carrier. Thus flosculature is an appropo word to describe verbage that clumps things together and seperates them from the real media involved and giving them questionable meaning. Oh, I think I just commited flosculature. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Kaj Haulrich wrote: > That's funny Carroll, I've got exactly the same shakes. Here in Denmark we have a >special word for that kind of language > : "flosculature" (slightly english-ified). I think it translates to something like >"gobbledygook". Extensively used by > business-executives, marketing-gurus, civil-servants in suits and high-ranking >desk-weenies. To have the shakes go away > immidiately, I just read H.C. Andersen's : "The Emperor's new Clothes". Sorry for continuing this thread, which some people seem to object to. I like the (new) word, or maybe some variation of it -- floculant, to me, carries an implied meaning of something like extraneous -- not really required, so I could see extending the definition from "goggledygook" to something like "extraneous gobbleddygook" -- gobbleddygook not serving any purpose. (Before I get flamed, in the processes I was involved in (coalmining) -- floculant was an essential element of some of the processes to clean coal.) Perhaps "unneccesary" or "extraneous" is already implied in the word? If not, I might adopt the word "floculature" (without the "s") to mean extraneous gobbledygook. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Absolutely. I'm sick and tired of this guy. He doesn't have technical questions, and he sure as hell doesn't have answers. Instead of using the resources of the company he professes to think so little of, and our bandwidth, why doesn't he put together a website containing the insights gained from his years as a whatever the hell he was. John. Go. Away. Richard (funny how a random sig is sometimes so apt). -- "It's like a radio you can't switch off" -- Carroll Grigsby, Monday 25 March 2002 03:02: > John: > > Enough, already! This list is NOT intended for philosophical discussions of > Life, the Universe and Things Like That; it is a _technical_ support list > for Mandrake newbies. (Source: Mandrake home page -- pretty damn > authoritative, IMHO). If you wish to examine your navel, or someone else's > navel, or engage in other meaningless activities can find plenty of other > places on the web to do so. This is not the place. (You might try slashdot > [snicker, snicker]). Yes, we do sometimes wander from time to time, and > I'll admit to more than my share of transgressions. But, John, these great > long diatrabes of yours are totally out of place. > > We aren't stupid, and we aren't wandering around in the wilderness looking > for a saviour. So stop wasting our bandwidth. (Just in case you didn't > know, many of the people on this list are on metered service -- every damn > byte that comes down the pipe hits them in the wallet in addition to > wasting their time.) > > Like you, I've got some miles on the odometer. I'm a retired mechanical > engineer; I worked for both very large and very small companies. I spent > some of those years in management. As a consequence, I've had to sit > through way too many really stupid presentations, and I've been forced to > engage in way too many stupid programs. Two side effects of all of that > wasted time are that (1) I regard Dilbert as not satire, but reality and > (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like "paradigm". > John, you may not have used those exact words, but your postings are > sufficiently close to bring back those awful memories. Cease and desist! > > OK, I'll admit that you may have accomplished one useful purpose: I've > resolved to learn how to set up e-mail filters. But then, I've never > felt the need for them until now. > > Nasty flame to follow. > > -- cmg > > On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: > > Hi Damian, > > A reasonable comment: > > BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is > > change ever going to happen? > > The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the > > product. > > It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. > > > > Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: > > GEEK > > USER > > COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) > > > > Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could > > talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users > > could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who > > like to help, as distinct from those here to display their > > arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User > > area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. > > > > It could work you know, with a bit of support. > > > > The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters > > typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, > > much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside > > the MS/Apple GUI world. > > > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? > > > > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: > > > Hello Sal, > > > > > > WOOPS!! > > > NOW you'll get it! > > > Rule #1 on this list has become : > > > THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE > > > THING > > > > --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm > > just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts > > made by several ppl. > > > > > > well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where > > you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. > > > > criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about > > Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really > > up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel > > about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. > > you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you > > won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Carroll Grigsby wrote: > >(2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like "paradigm". > That's funny Carroll, I've got exactly the same shakes. Here in Denmark we have a special word for that kind of language : "flosculature" (slightly english-ified). I think it translates to something like :"gobbledygook". Extensively used by business-executives, marketing-gurus, civil-servants in suits and high-ranking desk-weenies. To have the shakes go away immidiately, I just read H.C. Andersen's : "The Emperor's new Clothes". HTH Kaj Haulrich Denmark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
I like this idea. Many times I can't read with attention all the mail, so in that case I could need to cut away things I can't follow. bye. Paolo Brusasco john rigby wrote: > Hi Damian, > A reasonable comment: > BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change > ever going to happen? > The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the > product. > It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. > > Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: > GEEK > USER > COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) > > Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could > talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could > get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to > help, as distinct from those here to display their > arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User > area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. > > It could work you know, with a bit of support. > > The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters > typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much > less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the > MS/Apple GUI world. > > Cheers, > John > > > > - Original Message - > From: Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? > > > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: > >>Hello Sal, >> >>WOOPS!! >>NOW you'll get it! >>Rule #1 on this list has become : >>THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE >>THING >> > --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm > just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts > made by several ppl. > > > well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where > you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. > > criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about > Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really > up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel > about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. > you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you > won't get flamed by them. > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
Hi Damian, A reasonable comment: BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change ever going to happen? The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the product. It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: GEEK USER COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to help, as distinct from those here to display their arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. It could work you know, with a bit of support. The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the MS/Apple GUI world. Cheers, John - Original Message - From: Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: > Hello Sal, > > WOOPS!! > NOW you'll get it! > Rule #1 on this list has become : > THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE > THING --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
> > On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: > > Hi Damian, > > A reasonable comment: > > BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change > > ever going to happen? i made my post as an answer to someone complaining about "people not being able to post because they are afraid of getting flamed. " or something like that. i absolutely agree with you, but my point is that no one with a genuine problem and looking for a solution is ever going to get flamed here. people looking for help should most certainly NOT be afraid to ask. i just think this is not the place for complainig, but for asking. > > The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the > > product. > > It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. of course not. this is a newbie list after all. > > > > Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: > > GEEK > > USER > > COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) well, not quite... geeks usually have better answers for newbie questions. so i would mix "user" and "geek" together > > > > Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could > > talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could > > get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to > > help, as distinct from those here to display their > > arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User > > area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. > > > > It could work you know, with a bit of support. > > > > The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters > > typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much > > less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the > > MS/Apple GUI world. > > > > Cheers, > > John > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: COMMUNITY: Re: [newbie] Support? - a Solution ?
John: Enough, already! This list is NOT intended for philosophical discussions of Life, the Universe and Things Like That; it is a _technical_ support list for Mandrake newbies. (Source: Mandrake home page -- pretty damn authoritative, IMHO). If you wish to examine your navel, or someone else's navel, or engage in other meaningless activities can find plenty of other places on the web to do so. This is not the place. (You might try slashdot [snicker, snicker]). Yes, we do sometimes wander from time to time, and I'll admit to more than my share of transgressions. But, John, these great long diatrabes of yours are totally out of place. We aren't stupid, and we aren't wandering around in the wilderness looking for a saviour. So stop wasting our bandwidth. (Just in case you didn't know, many of the people on this list are on metered service -- every damn byte that comes down the pipe hits them in the wallet in addition to wasting their time.) Like you, I've got some miles on the odometer. I'm a retired mechanical engineer; I worked for both very large and very small companies. I spent some of those years in management. As a consequence, I've had to sit through way too many really stupid presentations, and I've been forced to engage in way too many stupid programs. Two side effects of all of that wasted time are that (1) I regard Dilbert as not satire, but reality and (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like "paradigm". John, you may not have used those exact words, but your postings are sufficiently close to bring back those awful memories. Cease and desist! OK, I'll admit that you may have accomplished one useful purpose: I've resolved to learn how to set up e-mail filters. But then, I've never felt the need for them until now. Nasty flame to follow. -- cmg On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: > Hi Damian, > A reasonable comment: > BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change > ever going to happen? > The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the > product. > It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. > > Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: > GEEK > USER > COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) > > Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could > talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could > get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to > help, as distinct from those here to display their > arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User > area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. > > It could work you know, with a bit of support. > > The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters > typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much > less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the > MS/Apple GUI world. > > Cheers, > John > > > > - Original Message - > From: Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? > > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: > > Hello Sal, > > > > WOOPS!! > > NOW you'll get it! > > Rule #1 on this list has become : > > THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE > > THING > > --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm > just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts > made by several ppl. > > > well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where > you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. > > criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about > Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really > up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel > about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. > you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you > won't get flamed by them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
