Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
I agree with the different installs to see what your system is doing with and in each. I am NOT a programmer nor even a hacker, just piddler and wanting to learn as much as I possibly can about MY system. If what I learn can be of any use for anyone else then I will pass it on for all. I DO NOT keep anything to myself if it will benefit any others. As you can see from the postings put forth from my addy, mostly useless rhetoric. I have done the 'Developer' install some time back and do not recall exactly what all took place either. I have had the mouse doing the 'Jerks' and pauses all over the place. The HDD light usually is lighting up the room when that is happening, very busy, even when nothing has been started. There have been times when 'Ctl+Alt+ Backspace' would not even work. After about 1/2 hour I did the NO NO, RESET to regain the HIGH ground. I would recommend doing the reload as though it were a fresh 'Install' so the Partitions will be reformatted for you and if there is any software that had been installed that was not really needed would be removed before you do an install that is more conducive to what you would like. Have fun and learn from the experiences, don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:15:21 -0800 Michael Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm dual booting an AMD K6/3 450 (actually booting Win98, NT 4, > Mandrake linux, > and BeOS 4.5- whew!) I have 192 MB RAM and a mix of both UDMA 33 & > UDMA 66 > hard disks. My Linux system runs just as smooth as Windows. I know > that > doesn't answer why you're having problems, but I just want to assure > you that > Linux does work correctly. > > Now for a shot in the dark, on one of your previous reply's I > noticed that you > did a 'developer' installation - I wonder if somehow that could be > the problem > (I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). I would assume that doing > that type > of install would just install the extra source code for each > program, but I > don't know for sure. It sounds like you have a pretty fast system, > why not try > a re-install at just the basic installation? Not to encourage you > to waste > time, but one of the reasons I've seen a lot of people give up on > Linux is not > being able to get it to work right away. I personally installed > several times > with each different distribution that I've tried out, just to get a > feel for > what that version wanted to leave me with. Guys / gals that have > been using > Linux forever, would cringe at that advice, but I think it's the > best way to > get familiar with your system. (That and some books) > > One more thought, usually when I experience the system running sort > of slow, or > as you describe the mouse cursor break dancing across the screen, > it's because > something is running in the background draining the system resources > (windows > does the same thing). This sort of ties in with the 'developer' > install; again > I'm not sure what that install does, but it may be running something > in the > background that doesn't need to be running. > > Possibly (if you can get your kde desktop open) you could click the > icon > 'Drakconf', when that window opens click 'startup services' and you > can view > (and change) which programs start at boot time. I believe you also > get this > option when you install your system (it's been awhile since I've > installed). > For example, if you're not on a LAN, you don't need the 'NFS daemon' > to start > on boot. I also turn off the 'CRON daemon'; you'll have to read > through your > documentation to see which ones you can live without. > > And finally, even if you don't do the 'developer' install, you can > still > install all of the tools you need to write and compile programs > (compilers, > etc.) just by selecting at install time. > > I hope this has given you something to work with, if not, try not to > get > discouraged, Linux is worth it! > Michael Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Charles Ulwelling wrote: > > > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point > where it > > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as > RAM > > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse > and it will > > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it > to. It is > > really annoying
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help(numbers on usage)
I am in an ext2 and I have a large swap space set up. I got it figured out. It was just a problem with Mandrake loading up a bunch of useless crap(for a beginner like me its useless). Plus there were 10-15 versions of apache running at a time... that was like 35-40 megs of mem right there. thanks though later -Original Message- From: Mike Fieschko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help(numbers on usage) >>> "Charles" == Charles Ulwelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> My mem usuage is this X 38M kfm 9M kbgndwm 7M kdm 7M Charles> Kpanel 5M and various others at 5 to 6 M until all the Charles> memory is used up, another thing is there are 10 Charles> instances of httpd taking up over 3M's each. I don't Charles> know what this process is but I can't kill any of them, I Charles> get an error when I try. You say 'various others' at 5 - 6 Mb. What 'various others'? To stop the httpd processes, you need to do a 'httpd stop' as root, in the /etc/rc.d/init.d directory (I think.). To prevent the httpd daemon from starting each time you start linux, you must be root and run 'setup' and go into "System Services" and deselect the httpd box. Go through what is being started automatically at boot time, when you are in 'setup' System Services, and you'll probably see some other daemons you truly do not need. Charles> As for the CPU its utilization is down around 10% or so Charles> and ktop is what is using it. [snip] If your cursor / system is slow to respond, and top shows only 10% cpu utilization, then something else is dragging down your system. A dumb question: you are running Linux in an ext2 filesystem (and not Linux4Win or otherwise on a umsdos filesystem), no? You do have a swap _partition_ set up and in use, no? -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1.8 XEmacs and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.15-0.17mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Mar 26 St Margaret Clitherow "Civilization has run on ahead of the soul of man, and is producing faster than he can think and give thanks." - [G.K. Chesterton, in Daily News, 2/21/02]
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Well, using one of the graphic programs under X, it says I'm running about 14 MB right now. One thing I just mentioned to another message is, I got my distrib from www.linuxberg.com as an iso download. I got version 7.0-2 from them, not 7.0 - maybe that is the difference? If you don't mind the 30 hour download (getright under windows will let you stop and resume or gFTP under Linux will do the same thing) on a 56k line and if you have a cd burner, this works pretty good; I really haven't had many problems at all (at least that could be considered the fault of Mandrake!) Take care! Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Ulwelling wrote: > heh heh... well try as it might linux will not discourage me, I've actually > been trying to get various versions to work correctly since last July! > Mandrake 7.0 is the first one that even comes close to working out for me. > I had to wait for them to get some kind of work around for UDMA 66 in the > install, since I'm not too familiar with linux and don't know how to do it > myself. Thanks for the info on how it *should* run, it helps to have > something to compare against so you know when you have everything running up > to par. Just a quick question, how much RAM does X use when you are in > linux? For me its like 39megs, and that seems awfully high since people are > out there running this on 486's. It may be one of those take what you can > get things, and thats why I'm wondering what is used on your system with > 192. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 2:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > I'm dual booting an AMD K6/3 450 (actually booting Win98, NT 4, Mandrake > linux, > and BeOS 4.5- whew!) I have 192 MB RAM and a mix of both UDMA 33 & UDMA 66 > hard disks. My Linux system runs just as smooth as Windows. I know that > doesn't answer why you're having problems, but I just want to assure you > that > Linux does work correctly. > > Now for a shot in the dark, on one of your previous reply's I noticed that > you > did a 'developer' installation - I wonder if somehow that could be the > problem > (I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). I would assume that doing that > type > of install would just install the extra source code for each program, but I > don't know for sure. It sounds like you have a pretty fast system, why not > try > a re-install at just the basic installation? Not to encourage you to waste > time, but one of the reasons I've seen a lot of people give up on Linux is > not > being able to get it to work right away. I personally installed several > times > with each different distribution that I've tried out, just to get a feel for > what that version wanted to leave me with. Guys / gals that have been using > Linux forever, would cringe at that advice, but I think it's the best way to > get familiar with your system. (That and some books) > > One more thought, usually when I experience the system running sort of slow, > or > as you describe the mouse cursor break dancing across the screen, it's > because > something is running in the background draining the system resources > (windows > does the same thing). This sort of ties in with the 'developer' install; > again > I'm not sure what that install does, but it may be running something in the > background that doesn't need to be running. > > Possibly (if you can get your kde desktop open) you could click the icon > 'Drakconf', when that window opens click 'startup services' and you can view > (and change) which programs start at boot time. I believe you also get this > option when you install your system (it's been awhile since I've installed). > For example, if you're not on a LAN, you don't need the 'NFS daemon' to > start > on boot. I also turn off the 'CRON daemon'; you'll have to read through > your > documentation to see which ones you can live without. > > And finally, even if you don't do the 'developer' install, you can still > install all of the tools you need to write and compile programs (compilers, > etc.) just by selecting at install time. > > I hope this has given you something to work with, if not, try not to get > discouraged, Linux is worth it! > Michael Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Charles Ulwelling wrote: > > > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where > it > > just isn
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
steve harris wrote: > Herman, > I have a K6-2, I have ran 5.2 and 6.0 > I had 6.0 running pretty good. > Best Buy put 7.0 on sale for $20. > > 2:40 for the install! > > 6.0 full install is 20-30 minutes tops. > > Then the system ran very slow as Charles discribed, something eating up > resources horribly. > > So I did a clean install, destroying my exising installation. > No difference. > > I lost confidence when 5.2 and 6.0 is flawless and 7.0 dies on the same > machine. > > The 3 hour install should have been my first clue as to what was > coming.. > > There must be a hardware problem somewhere as you and others report it runs > fine. > > And no, I wasnt running the win4 install. I even tried creating the boot > floppy and running the old text install, no luck. > It just sits there forever copying the packages. > > fwiw > > steve > > Original Message Follows > From: "Herman R.willett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:50:01 -0600 > > Hi: I am curious. > > I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on six of my machines. All but one went > without a flaw. One did not allow the X-Window to come upon install, > so I fuddeled around and got it to allow a text install. As it is in a > closet > and does not require a perminate monitor, this is fine. What were you > problems again. > > Herman > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > vern, > > > > you can contact MacMillan and they said they would refund my money. > > I shipped the package back, I am still waiting..... > > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: vern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:39:54 -0500 > > > > I've had similar experiences with MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 > > plus half of my hardware failed to function (video, floppy, > > CDROM & etc.) I'm back with 6.1 or 6.5 as MacMillan calls > > it, and happy as a clam. I do regret the $50+ I wasted to > > learn this lesson, maybe something on those other 5 CD's > > is useful! > > Vern > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > > On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to > > > have said: > > > > > > >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same > > problems > > > >Charles did on it being very slow. > > > >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took > 2:40. > > > >Ridiculous. > > > > > > Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower > than > > > with 6. > > > > > > Kirk > > > > > > vice | versa > > > Translations from French to English, English to French > > > Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com > > > Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France > > > > > > __ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I downloaded the 7.0-2 iso image and burned it on a cd then did my install from that and everything seems to work just dandy! Maybe the 7.0 to 7.0-2 fixed some bugs?? If you're interested (don't mind the 30 hour download from a 56k line, have a cd burner on hand) you can go to www.linuxberg.com and navigate your way to the distribution page and select from what they have there. Hope that helps, Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.s. at this point, I seem to be using about 14MB for 'X'.
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Right now X is taking up 14% of my 256 MB of RAM, or around 36 MB of RAM. > heh heh... well try as it might linux will not discourage me, I've actually > been trying to get various versions to work correctly since last July! > Mandrake 7.0 is the first one that even comes close to working out for me. > I had to wait for them to get some kind of work around for UDMA 66 in the > install, since I'm not too familiar with linux and don't know how to do it > myself. Thanks for the info on how it *should* run, it helps to have > something to compare against so you know when you have everything running up > to par. Just a quick question, how much RAM does X use when you are in > linux? For me its like 39megs, and that seems awfully high since people are > out there running this on 486's. It may be one of those take what you can > get things, and thats why I'm wondering what is used on your system with > 192. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 2:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > I'm dual booting an AMD K6/3 450 (actually booting Win98, NT 4, Mandrake > linux, > and BeOS 4.5- whew!) I have 192 MB RAM and a mix of both UDMA 33 & UDMA 66 > hard disks. My Linux system runs just as smooth as Windows. I know that > doesn't answer why you're having problems, but I just want to assure you > that > Linux does work correctly. > > Now for a shot in the dark, on one of your previous reply's I noticed that > you > did a 'developer' installation - I wonder if somehow that could be the > problem > (I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). I would assume that doing that > type > of install would just install the extra source code for each program, but I > don't know for sure. It sounds like you have a pretty fast system, why not > try > a re-install at just the basic installation? Not to encourage you to waste > time, but one of the reasons I've seen a lot of people give up on Linux is > not > being able to get it to work right away. I personally installed several > times > with each different distribution that I've tried out, just to get a feel for > what that version wanted to leave me with. Guys / gals that have been using > Linux forever, would cringe at that advice, but I think it's the best way to > get familiar with your system. (That and some books) > > One more thought, usually when I experience the system running sort of slow, > or > as you describe the mouse cursor break dancing across the screen, it's > because > something is running in the background draining the system resources > (windows > does the same thing). This sort of ties in with the 'developer' install; > again > I'm not sure what that install does, but it may be running something in the > background that doesn't need to be running. > > Possibly (if you can get your kde desktop open) you could click the icon > 'Drakconf', when that window opens click 'startup services' and you can view > (and change) which programs start at boot time. I believe you also get this > option when you install your system (it's been awhile since I've installed). > For example, if you're not on a LAN, you don't need the 'NFS daemon' to > start > on boot. I also turn off the 'CRON daemon'; you'll have to read through > your > documentation to see which ones you can live without. > > And finally, even if you don't do the 'developer' install, you can still > install all of the tools you need to write and compile programs (compilers, > etc.) just by selecting at install time. > > I hope this has given you something to work with, if not, try not to get > discouraged, Linux is worth it! > Michael Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Charles Ulwelling wrote: > > > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where > it > > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it > will > > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It > is > > really annoying. > > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it > naturally > > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > >
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Herman, I have a K6-2, I have ran 5.2 and 6.0 I had 6.0 running pretty good. Best Buy put 7.0 on sale for $20. 2:40 for the install! 6.0 full install is 20-30 minutes tops. Then the system ran very slow as Charles discribed, something eating up resources horribly. So I did a clean install, destroying my exising installation. No difference. I lost confidence when 5.2 and 6.0 is flawless and 7.0 dies on the same machine. The 3 hour install should have been my first clue as to what was coming.. There must be a hardware problem somewhere as you and others report it runs fine. And no, I wasnt running the win4 install. I even tried creating the boot floppy and running the old text install, no luck. It just sits there forever copying the packages. fwiw steve Original Message Follows From: "Herman R.willett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:50:01 -0600 Hi: I am curious. I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on six of my machines. All but one went without a flaw. One did not allow the X-Window to come upon install, so I fuddeled around and got it to allow a text install. As it is in a closet and does not require a perminate monitor, this is fine. What were you problems again. Herman On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > vern, > > you can contact MacMillan and they said they would refund my money. > I shipped the package back, I am still waiting. > > > > > Original Message Follows > From: vern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:39:54 -0500 > > I've had similar experiences with MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 > plus half of my hardware failed to function (video, floppy, > CDROM & etc.) I'm back with 6.1 or 6.5 as MacMillan calls > it, and happy as a clam. I do regret the $50+ I wasted to > learn this lesson, maybe something on those other 5 CD's > is useful! > Vern > > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to > > have said: > > > > >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same > problems > > >Charles did on it being very slow. > > >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. > > >Ridiculous. > > > > Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower than > > with 6. > > > > Kirk > > > > vice | versa > > Translations from French to English, English to French > > Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com > > Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Hi: I am curious. I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on six of my machines. All but one went without a flaw. One did not allow the X-Window to come upon install, so I fuddeled around and got it to allow a text install. As it is in a closet and does not require a perminate monitor, this is fine. What were you problems again. Herman On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > vern, > > you can contact MacMillan and they said they would refund my money. > I shipped the package back, I am still waiting. > > > > > Original Message Follows > From: vern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:39:54 -0500 > > I've had similar experiences with MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 > plus half of my hardware failed to function (video, floppy, > CDROM & etc.) I'm back with 6.1 or 6.5 as MacMillan calls > it, and happy as a clam. I do regret the $50+ I wasted to > learn this lesson, maybe something on those other 5 CD's > is useful! > Vern > > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to > > have said: > > > > >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same > problems > > >Charles did on it being very slow. > > >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. > > >Ridiculous. > > > > Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower than > > with 6. > > > > Kirk > > > > vice | versa > > Translations from French to English, English to French > > Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com > > Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
vern, you can contact MacMillan and they said they would refund my money. I shipped the package back, I am still waiting. Original Message Follows From: vern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:39:54 -0500 I've had similar experiences with MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 plus half of my hardware failed to function (video, floppy, CDROM & etc.) I'm back with 6.1 or 6.5 as MacMillan calls it, and happy as a clam. I do regret the $50+ I wasted to learn this lesson, maybe something on those other 5 CD's is useful! Vern On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to > have said: > > >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same problems > >Charles did on it being very slow. > >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. > >Ridiculous. > > Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower than > with 6. > > Kirk > > vice | versa > Translations from French to English, English to French > Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com > Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
heh heh... well try as it might linux will not discourage me, I've actually been trying to get various versions to work correctly since last July! Mandrake 7.0 is the first one that even comes close to working out for me. I had to wait for them to get some kind of work around for UDMA 66 in the install, since I'm not too familiar with linux and don't know how to do it myself. Thanks for the info on how it *should* run, it helps to have something to compare against so you know when you have everything running up to par. Just a quick question, how much RAM does X use when you are in linux? For me its like 39megs, and that seems awfully high since people are out there running this on 486's. It may be one of those take what you can get things, and thats why I'm wondering what is used on your system with 192. Thanks, Charles Ulwelling -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help I'm dual booting an AMD K6/3 450 (actually booting Win98, NT 4, Mandrake linux, and BeOS 4.5- whew!) I have 192 MB RAM and a mix of both UDMA 33 & UDMA 66 hard disks. My Linux system runs just as smooth as Windows. I know that doesn't answer why you're having problems, but I just want to assure you that Linux does work correctly. Now for a shot in the dark, on one of your previous reply's I noticed that you did a 'developer' installation - I wonder if somehow that could be the problem (I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). I would assume that doing that type of install would just install the extra source code for each program, but I don't know for sure. It sounds like you have a pretty fast system, why not try a re-install at just the basic installation? Not to encourage you to waste time, but one of the reasons I've seen a lot of people give up on Linux is not being able to get it to work right away. I personally installed several times with each different distribution that I've tried out, just to get a feel for what that version wanted to leave me with. Guys / gals that have been using Linux forever, would cringe at that advice, but I think it's the best way to get familiar with your system. (That and some books) One more thought, usually when I experience the system running sort of slow, or as you describe the mouse cursor break dancing across the screen, it's because something is running in the background draining the system resources (windows does the same thing). This sort of ties in with the 'developer' install; again I'm not sure what that install does, but it may be running something in the background that doesn't need to be running. Possibly (if you can get your kde desktop open) you could click the icon 'Drakconf', when that window opens click 'startup services' and you can view (and change) which programs start at boot time. I believe you also get this option when you install your system (it's been awhile since I've installed). For example, if you're not on a LAN, you don't need the 'NFS daemon' to start on boot. I also turn off the 'CRON daemon'; you'll have to read through your documentation to see which ones you can live without. And finally, even if you don't do the 'developer' install, you can still install all of the tools you need to write and compile programs (compilers, etc.) just by selecting at install time. I hope this has given you something to work with, if not, try not to get discouraged, Linux is worth it! Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Ulwelling wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: Anthony Huereca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 10:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM > utilization. > I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that > Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case > 256 > MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
I'm dual booting an AMD K6/3 450 (actually booting Win98, NT 4, Mandrake linux, and BeOS 4.5- whew!) I have 192 MB RAM and a mix of both UDMA 33 & UDMA 66 hard disks. My Linux system runs just as smooth as Windows. I know that doesn't answer why you're having problems, but I just want to assure you that Linux does work correctly. Now for a shot in the dark, on one of your previous reply's I noticed that you did a 'developer' installation - I wonder if somehow that could be the problem (I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). I would assume that doing that type of install would just install the extra source code for each program, but I don't know for sure. It sounds like you have a pretty fast system, why not try a re-install at just the basic installation? Not to encourage you to waste time, but one of the reasons I've seen a lot of people give up on Linux is not being able to get it to work right away. I personally installed several times with each different distribution that I've tried out, just to get a feel for what that version wanted to leave me with. Guys / gals that have been using Linux forever, would cringe at that advice, but I think it's the best way to get familiar with your system. (That and some books) One more thought, usually when I experience the system running sort of slow, or as you describe the mouse cursor break dancing across the screen, it's because something is running in the background draining the system resources (windows does the same thing). This sort of ties in with the 'developer' install; again I'm not sure what that install does, but it may be running something in the background that doesn't need to be running. Possibly (if you can get your kde desktop open) you could click the icon 'Drakconf', when that window opens click 'startup services' and you can view (and change) which programs start at boot time. I believe you also get this option when you install your system (it's been awhile since I've installed). For example, if you're not on a LAN, you don't need the 'NFS daemon' to start on boot. I also turn off the 'CRON daemon'; you'll have to read through your documentation to see which ones you can live without. And finally, even if you don't do the 'developer' install, you can still install all of the tools you need to write and compile programs (compilers, etc.) just by selecting at install time. I hope this has given you something to work with, if not, try not to get discouraged, Linux is worth it! Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Ulwelling wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: Anthony Huereca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 10:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM > utilization. > I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that > Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case > 256 > MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect the performance at > all when you open program or anything. Instead of taking the Ram > in chunks like Windows, Linux just takes the whole thing at once. So don't > worry about seeing 100% ram utilization. Not sure why > Linux is slow though for you. > > > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've > already > > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of > SDRAM@100mhz, > > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > > diamond viper v770. > > > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file > either. > > I don't understand. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of Vic > > Sent:
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help(numbers on usage)
Charles Ulwelling wrote: > > My mem usuage is this > X 38M > kfm 9M > kbgndwm 7M > kdm 7M > Kpanel 5M > and various others at 5 to 6 M until all the memory is used up, another > thing is there are 10 instances of httpd taking up over 3M's each. I don't > know what this process is but I can't kill any of them, I get an error when > I try. > > As for the CPU its utilization is down around 10% or so and ktop is what is > using it. Unless you are running a web server, you probably want to get rid of httpd - because that's what it is. You probably have other services running that you don't need as well after the stock install. For example, if you just connect to the 'net with a modem and are not on a LAN you may have some networking services you don't need. But even with these extra services, it shouldn't be bogging down your system like that. It may be possible, however, that one of them is acting up somehow...but thats really just a guess on my part... I think you said in a previous post that you have 256 megs...that should be more than enough, and I bet some people here have systems don't have that much with real memory and swap COMBINED. I doubt your 256 megs is completely used up except for being used for cache. The K Process Manager shows a memory usage summary up top in the form of a bar. Black is memory used, and grays are buffer and cache. I am willing to bet most is light gray. (Clicking on the bar shows actual numbers) BTW, my KPM for some reason doesn't show swap usage, or that I even have swap...maybe yours is the same way - in which case you can see that with xosview or "swapon -s" as root. If anyone knows why my KPM doesn't show this with mandrake 7, I'd like to fix that! (It did with 6.0 - is this a bug with this version of KPM?) Does your computer boot directly into X? If not, is it slow in text-mode consoles w/o X running? If it does, try booting into the console for once. HAve you tried using the basic VGA16 X server? I'm thinking that maybe the X server could have something to do with it in your situation. That abit BE6 board is common among linux users, so I don't think that should be a problem. I think that board is simular to the BP6 dually that I've been slobbering over for some time as well. What other components do you have in your computer? Maybe one of them or its configuration is causing the problems... I would try using the basic X server, and then maybe trying to get rid of a few components to see if you can narrow down the problem. Since nobody else seems to have helpful advice for you, you are probably starting to get desperate right about now. I did have my X get slow once... I had ran Lothar under Drakconf, and it was bogged down afterwards. I couldn't figure out for the life of me what was doing it. Quitting X and restarting did not fix, and I think I may have brought the system to a runlevel 2 then back to 3 without luck too, but rebooting did bring the performance back. I guess I should have listened to the warning and closed all other windows before the ISA scan, but I just like living dangerously I guess ;-) > > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it > > naturally jumpy and something I should get used to. DEFINATELY NOT - I've always found it to be much smoother! I hate to see you get the wrong impression of linux from this. (I saw your other post) My system is a PII300 with 128megs. Currently I have running: Netscape (afew windows of it), XMMS listening to internet radio, various terminal windows and file manager windows, KPM, and the real dog is OFFICE 2000 INSIDE WINDOWS 2000 in a VMWare WINDOW. And my system is just as responsive as ever. Now, switching back to win2000 will require a load from the swap partition because I haven't touched it in a while, but hey, I only have 128 megs so that's expected! ~Jeremy
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
I've had similar experiences with MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 plus half of my hardware failed to function (video, floppy, CDROM & etc.) I'm back with 6.1 or 6.5 as MacMillan calls it, and happy as a clam. I do regret the $50+ I wasted to learn this lesson, maybe something on those other 5 CD's is useful! Vern On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to > have said: > > >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same problems > >Charles did on it being very slow. > >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. > >Ridiculous. > > Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower than > with 6. > > Kirk > > vice | versa > Translations from French to English, English to French > Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com > Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France
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Maxtorator, I'm going to hear about this... I am triple booting with win2000, and win98. I'm using them mainly because they work. Win98 crashes all the time but it is nice to have when I want to go back and play a game that doesn't run on win2000, which isn't very often since win2000 runs just about everything I have. I have win2000 because it is solid, and it is what I use to do all of my work in, I haven't had to reboot my computer once since I got it, except when I was trying to get linux to work(obviously). In my opinion I've never seen a machine run as well as mine does under 2000. I'm sorry but linux has many problems, it may work well for all of you and that is great, but I've had nothing but difficulty with it. It may be a PEBKAC problem but I don't believe so, since it dies immediately after being installed. If I have the choice between linux and win2000 I'd take win2000 and thats why I'm dual booting, linux is only a hobby thing that I'm using to increase my knowledge of UNIX. I do not wish to make it my main OS, I'm perfectly happy with the one I'm using now. Please don't publically execute me for this, I've read all your posts and you all think windows suck and linux rules. That is cool, everyone is entitled to their opinions, so please don't send in 40 responses saying pendragon is so wrong, one will be plenty... heh heh -Original Message- From: maxtorator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > I have seen many different replies to this posting regarding Linux "slow reaction time" on this particular system in question. I know that Linux is hella lot faster than any Win machine ever could think about being, so there is obviously a problem with the setup on this machine. I normally use about 29 meg memory on boot. I have amd k6-400 with 256 meg ram, from what I have read, the only memory that your Linux box is actually using is what is buffered at the moment. Now, don't quote me on this cause I am no expert, but I have read many memory optimization tips and tweaks for the Linux system. Have a look at this link http://www.mandrakeuser.org/admin/aproc.html#Mem . And you may want to search around that site, very good information can be found there. You probably want to chase down all of your running processes and se whats taking up more memory than it should. Linux starts many services on install that you may or may not need. Try turning off the ones that you will never utilize. Also, I have found that if you are dual booting with Windows that more problems can arise. And in all reality..Why do you even need Windows when you have Linux? Linux can do everything that a Win box can do and even so much more, better, and faster. Sometimes though the initial setup may be a bit more aggravating in the beginning, but once you have the harmony between hardware and software, you'll be amazed. --Maxtor [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maxtors.com ICQ: 68275472 Still learning this thing...
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > I have seen many different replies to this posting regarding Linux "slow reaction time" on this particular system in question. I know that Linux is hella lot faster than any Win machine ever could think about being, so there is obviously a problem with the setup on this machine. I normally use about 29 meg memory on boot. I have amd k6-400 with 256 meg ram, from what I have read, the only memory that your Linux box is actually using is what is buffered at the moment. Now, don't quote me on this cause I am no expert, but I have read many memory optimization tips and tweaks for the Linux system. Have a look at this link http://www.mandrakeuser.org/admin/aproc.html#Mem . And you may want to search around that site, very good information can be found there. You probably want to chase down all of your running processes and se whats taking up more memory than it should. Linux starts many services on install that you may or may not need. Try turning off the ones that you will never utilize. Also, I have found that if you are dual booting with Windows that more problems can arise. And in all reality..Why do you even need Windows when you have Linux? Linux can do everything that a Win box can do and even so much more, better, and faster. Sometimes though the initial setup may be a bit more aggravating in the beginning, but once you have the harmony between hardware and software, you'll be amazed. --Maxtor [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maxtors.com ICQ: 68275472 Still learning this thing...
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Excuse me, if I may, it appears that Macmillan/Mandrake 7.0 is a little confuse as to what it is supposed to do with all of the software. I have done about 12 installs, some different like 'Sever', 'Expert', 'Normal', etctera. Some took over 5 hours some took as little as 40 min. None did install all of the software the first time around, had to go back and do an 'Upgrade', or what ever it is called. Not just one some times several to make most every thing work. The last install I did was 'Expert' 'Normal' my system is a DUAL booter, Win98 and lilo. Linux runs as fast or faster some times than Windidnot. I have an AMD K6 II 350m 3D Processor with 32 meg RAM. I have had probs with the mouse taking t long to respond and found usually I (underlined) did the mistake of trying a different controller for my mouse to see if any other would work, they DID NOT. I have a Microsoft Wheel Mouse and the Generic (PS2) is the only one that will work for me, not even the 'imwheel' will work. I am not through with that yet have not tried all options at this point. Just food for the weary that may get into big of a hurry trying to get their system up and running too quickly, need to READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, and when you think you have read it all go on the WEB and READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, READ, just to catch up with TECHNOLOGY while you were READING. don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On 26 Mar 00 08:26:16 EST Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Charles Ulwelling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point > where it > > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as > RAM > > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse > and it will > > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it > to. It is > > really annoying. > > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far > as > > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it > naturally > > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > = > Seems to have us all a bit puzzled!! Just out of curiosity, have > you checked > to make sure your swap partition is active? > Mike > > "What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?" > --W. C. Fields > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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To all that are having probs installing MacMillan/Mandrake 7.0. I did several different installs to see how they went and how they performed. Well the standard install without using Power Quest BTmagic and do use the "lilo" is the best performer. Also I found that when I did additional 'upgrades' or 'updates', what ever it is called, there were additional programs installed. For what reason is not clear but performance is the best when you DO NOT use the 'Lnx4Win', for sure. I have had times when my mouse response will take up to 5-25 minutes to react, well do not use the 'KDE Control Center' and access the Keyboards or Keys, for ever. I use the BIG 'K' on the 'Panel' then 'Settings' and do them individually, NO PROB BOB!!! I hope this is GOOD for you as it has done me WORLDS of it, don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:24:08 + "Eugene C. Zesch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Charles Ulwelling wrote: > > > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point > where it > > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as > RAM > > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse > and it will > > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it > to. It is > > really annoying. > > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far > as > > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it > naturally > > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > > > > Charles, > > Something is not right. I'm not adept enough to fix it for you > but my poor > little P166 running Mandrake 6.0 with 48 Megs sounds a lot > smoother and > speedier than that. > You might call up a list of running processes with ps -ax -l > and see > if anything is using a lot of cpu time. Or find a monitoring > program. I think > I've seen one that even gave pie charts of cpu usage by process, > but the name > escapes me. > What you're experiencing is not typical of Linux. > > Good luck, > Gene > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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"Charles Ulwelling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling = Seems to have us all a bit puzzled!! Just out of curiosity, have you checked to make sure your swap partition is active? Mike "What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?" --W. C. Fields Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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On 26/03/00 7:53, steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] is reported to have said: >I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same problems >Charles did on it being very slow. >Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. >Ridiculous. Same here. The install was very long, and my machine is much slower than with 6. Kirk vice | versa Translations from French to English, English to French Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France
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>>> "Charles" == Charles Ulwelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to Charles> the point where it just isn't responding, I assumed it Charles> was a bug in linux as far as RAM utilization went. By Charles> not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will Charles> take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I [snip] What does doing 'top' show? What's taking up your cpu? -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1.8 XEmacs and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.15-0.16mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Mar 26 St Margaret Clitherow "Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision." - [G.K. Chesterton, in Orthodoxy, 1908]
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Thanks, I didn't think it sounded right... but as this is the only experience I've had with it I didn't know. later -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eugene C. Zesch Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 12:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help Charles Ulwelling wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > Charles, Something is not right. I'm not adept enough to fix it for you but my poor little P166 running Mandrake 6.0 with 48 Megs sounds a lot smoother and speedier than that. You might call up a list of running processes with ps -ax -land see if anything is using a lot of cpu time. Or find a monitoring program. I think I've seen one that even gave pie charts of cpu usage by process, but the name escapes me. What you're experiencing is not typical of Linux. Good luck, Gene
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Well I went back to where I found that Ram info, a mailing list for my local Linux User Group, and I guess I was slightly wrong. Here's his words: - Now, let's say I launch an application called `foo' that uses the shared library `bar'. When the OS first finds `foo' in the filesystem it will cache that information in RAM so that, if I were to immediately run another instance of `foo', it would not need to access the disk for something it already knew. Now what about the `bar'? Well, that's shared information. Not only will that show up in the filesystem cache but it will also show up in the shared cache. A second instance of `foo' will not load a second instance of `bar' since it already has it loaded. `foo' takes a bit of size in the filesystem and also when it is running. Well, what you see when you stop `foo' is that the runnable part is unloaded but the cached information is not. Hence the descrepency. The OS is smart enough with its cache to know when it's a good thing and when it's not. Let's say I ran something huge just before running `foo' and most of the available filesystem cache has been used. Well, the OS just unloads the oldest bits and makes room for the new stuff. If `foo', in turn, decides to allocate 3/4 of my RAM as dynamic memory for some reason, the OS will unload *all* of its cache to make room for the application. If it needs more, however, it will go to swap. Don't be decieved by the output of these programs thinking you're not getting resources released back to you. Once your user application terminates there is no trace of it left running in the system. The only thing left is what is controlled by the OS--the filesystem cache and the shared memory cache. (Okay, this is a bit of an oversimplification and I probably got a few minor technical details askew, but it should serve to point out what's going on.) - So that might explain it more throughly and more right than I did. Sorry for the misinformation. But I guess it sitll doesn't explain why it's so slow. However, in reading through old postings on that list, I found some stuff that may or may not help. First use "ps" and "top" to see if there are any programs that are taking up a lot of CPU/Ram. You can hit "M" (make sure it's a capital M) when using "top" to sort by memory usage. X should take up around 25% or less of the memory, and should take up the most memory. If you do see something hogging the memory or whatever, trying killing it. > Anthony, my RAM in my K6-2 machine is 96meg. > With two netscape windows open and KDE I am using 29meg. > Mine don't use all the RAM at start. But 96 Meg is a lot. > > I have run MacMillan Mandrake 5.2 and 6.0 with no problems. > > I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same problems > Charles did on it being very slow. > Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. > Ridiculous. > > I grabbed the Mandrake 6.0 and threw it back on the machine. > > I sent 7.0 back, and I am still waiting on a refund from MacMillan. > > fwiw > steve > > Original Message Follows > From: Anthony Huereca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM > utilization. > I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that > Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case > 256 > MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect the performance at > all when you open program or anything. Instead of taking the Ram > in chunks like Windows, Linux just takes the whole thing at once. So don't > worry about seeing 100% ram utilization. Not sure why > Linux is slow though for you. > > > > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've > already > > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of > SDRAM@100mhz, > > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > > diamond viper v770. > > > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file > either. > > I don't understand. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > > or scsi? > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and > with > > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs > of > > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Charles Ulwelling -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to cont
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Charles Ulwelling wrote: > Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it > just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM > utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will > take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is > really annoying. > Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as > opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally > jumpy and something I should get used to. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > Charles, Something is not right. I'm not adept enough to fix it for you but my poor little P166 running Mandrake 6.0 with 48 Megs sounds a lot smoother and speedier than that. You might call up a list of running processes with ps -ax -land see if anything is using a lot of cpu time. Or find a monitoring program. I think I've seen one that even gave pie charts of cpu usage by process, but the name escapes me. What you're experiencing is not typical of Linux. Good luck, Gene
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Anthony, my RAM in my K6-2 machine is 96meg. With two netscape windows open and KDE I am using 29meg. Mine don't use all the RAM at start. But 96 Meg is a lot. I have run MacMillan Mandrake 5.2 and 6.0 with no problems. I bought MacMillan Mandrake 7.0 recently and I experienced the same problems Charles did on it being very slow. Also 6.0 takes about 30 minutes to install, and this new 7.0 took 2:40. Ridiculous. I grabbed the Mandrake 6.0 and threw it back on the machine. I sent 7.0 back, and I am still waiting on a refund from MacMillan. fwiw steve Original Message Follows From: Anthony Huereca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:31:56 -0500 I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM utilization. I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case 256 MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect the performance at all when you open program or anything. Instead of taking the Ram in chunks like Windows, Linux just takes the whole thing at once. So don't worry about seeing 100% ram utilization. Not sure why Linux is slow though for you. > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > diamond viper v770. > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. > I don't understand. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > or scsi? > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > -- > My new linux web server with Apache > > http://kittypuss.dnydns.org > > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. > > http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Hum... Well when I open it it isn't just slow it gets to the point where it just isn't responding, I assumed it was a bug in linux as far as RAM utilization went. By not responding I mean I'll move the mouse and it will take about 3 seconds for it to *jump* to the location I moved it to. It is really annoying. Just out of curiosity should linux run as smoothly as win98 as far as opening apps, and moving the app window across the screen or is it naturally jumpy and something I should get used to. Thanks, Charles Ulwelling -Original Message- From: Anthony Huereca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM utilization. I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case 256 MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect the performance at all when you open program or anything. Instead of taking the Ram in chunks like Windows, Linux just takes the whole thing at once. So don't worry about seeing 100% ram utilization. Not sure why Linux is slow though for you. > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > diamond viper v770. > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. > I don't understand. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > or scsi? > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > -- > My new linux web server with Apache > > http://kittypuss.dnydns.org > > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. > > http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
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How would I know if they are running at full speed... I ran the configuration tool in dos for them and they are set up to run at full speed. As far as if they are running at full speed in linux I have no clue. Thanks, Charles Ulwelling -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vic Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help I have heard that there is some problems with ATA drives, but don't quote me on that I am not sure. Are the drives running at full speed? I mean 66, 33, or regular ide speed? On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > diamond viper v770. > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. > I don't understand. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > or scsi? > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > -- > My new linux web server with Apache > > http://kittypuss.dnydns.org > > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. > > http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
I'm not sure why your system is so slow, but I can explain the RAM utilization. I've found out (as I once complained about the same thing that you are) that Linux uses RAM differently than Windows. It'll take up all "x" (in your case 256 MB) RAM soon after bootup. However, it shouldn't affect the performance at all when you open program or anything. Instead of taking the Ram in chunks like Windows, Linux just takes the whole thing at once. So don't worry about seeing 100% ram utilization. Not sure why Linux is slow though for you. > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > diamond viper v770. > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. > I don't understand. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > or scsi? > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > -- > My new linux web server with Apache > > http://kittypuss.dnydns.org > > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. > > http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
I have heard that there is some problems with ATA drives, but don't quote me on that I am not sure. Are the drives running at full speed? I mean 66, 33, or regular ide speed? On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already > declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, > I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a > diamond viper v770. > > It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I > forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a > second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. > I don't understand. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help > > > What is your processor speed, and how fast is > your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, > or scsi? > > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Charles Ulwelling > -- > My new linux web server with Apache > > http://kittypuss.dnydns.org > > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. > > http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
My mother board is an ABIT BE-6 I did the developer install(I'm a programmer) I think everything else was mentioned in my previous reply to a similar question -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help Charles Ulwelling wrote: > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling Please give more details about your situation; what type of machine are you using? (cpu, motherboard, hard disk, etc. etc.) What type of installation did you do? (expert, default or in between) details, details, details that will help to give you a better answer ;-) Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
Charles Ulwelling wrote: > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling Please give more details about your situation; what type of machine are you using? (cpu, motherboard, hard disk, etc. etc.) What type of installation did you do? (expert, default or in between) details, details, details that will help to give you a better answer ;-) Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
my processor is a PIII 450 overclocked to 540( not the problem I've already declocked it and the same thing happens ), I have 256 megs of SDRAM@100mhz, I have two ATA-66 drives one at 18 gigs and another at 27.3 gigs, and a diamond viper v770. It is really wierd... I boot up and look at the system resource manager(I forget the name) and I can see my RAM usage go up by about 6 to 12 megs a second until it is all used up. It doesn't use any of the swap file either. I don't understand. Thanks, Charles Ulwelling -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vic Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help What is your processor speed, and how fast is your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, or scsi? On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [newbie] Linux is so slow... Please help
What is your processor speed, and how fast is your harddrive, like is it an older ide or newer udma33, or scsi? On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Charles Ulwelling mewed: > I'm having a serious problem with linux mandrake 7.0. I boot up and with > in a matter of seconds my ram utilization goes to max. I have 256 megs of > RAM so I don't understand how this could be. It makes linux completely > unuseable. I'm booting into KDE. > > Thanks, > Charles Ulwelling -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
