Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 11:39 pm, robin wrote: > Anne wrote > > > I was reading this morning that the new Xandros Desktop Linux, out of > > Corel Linux, is taking this line. I haven't seen it, though. > > True words. Among the standard icons that come up after installation, > there should be one that says "Subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]". > > Sir Robin Yay! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne wrote I was reading this morning that the new Xandros Desktop Linux, out of Corel Linux, is taking this line. I haven't seen it, though. True words. Among the standard icons that come up after installation, there should be one that says "Subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]". Sir Robin -- "Difficulty is a coin which the learned conjure with so as not to reveal the vanity of their studies." - Montaigne Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 01:20, Anne Wilson wrote: > But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as a > windows one. > > Anne Actually, that's changing quite quickly. Also, keep in mind this: There is a difference between a true Windows tech, and someone that's being paid to just apply what little knowledge they have, or familiarity they have with Windows. Windows - any version - can become quite a complex troubleshooting task - and many "said techs" tend to format and reinstall instead of getting down to the meat and potatoes of the issue. When I was hiring techs (contractors), I would get one or two good techs out of 20 applications/resumes. I didn't ask "Microsoft out-of-the-book" questions, neither. I set up several machines with problems, and had them fix them. If they made it, they got a job. If not, then they didn't. The IT world is filled with "Windows techs" that are far from being true techs at all. I've met more MCSE's that didn't have a clue than you'd believe. There are heaps of "Linux techs" out there that are completely the opposite. They know their shit, but they're generally quite quiet about it. They've been out there for years - some of them have found a niche and stayed there - others have created their own companies and moved ahead... -- Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:00:00 +1100 8:00am up 5 days, 17:43, 5 users, load average: 1.33, 0.60, 0.36 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- disbar, n: As distinguished from some other bar. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 7:35 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 6:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: > >>Anne Wilson wrote: > >>>But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech > >>> as a windows one. > >>> > >>>Anne > >>> > >>:) > >> > >>I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing "dad" things and > >>I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for > >>custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me > >>in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their > >> trappings. > > > > That sounds pretty reasonable to me ;) But I think your expenses bill > > might be too big if I asked you to pop round to sort out my usb - > > Yorkshire's a long way away > > > > Anne > > I dunno...I've always seen USB as one of those things that either worked > or it didn't. and if it didn't it was likely due to bad hardware. > what-cha usin USB for? It works fine for printer, scanner and LS120, but I have no success at all with either camera or smartmedia reader. I've spent so much time on both, but can't get the system to see either, so I've given up. Hopefully 9.1 will be a little more clever, just as 9.0 was better than 8.2 :) Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 6:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as a windows one. Anne :) I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing "dad" things and I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their trappings. That sounds pretty reasonable to me ;) But I think your expenses bill might be too big if I asked you to pop round to sort out my usb - Yorkshire's a long way away Anne I dunno...I've always seen USB as one of those things that either worked or it didn't. and if it didn't it was likely due to bad hardware. what-cha usin USB for? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 6:31 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as > > a windows one. > > > > Anne > > > :) > > I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing "dad" things and > I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for > custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me > in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their trappings. That sounds pretty reasonable to me ;) But I think your expenses bill might be too big if I asked you to pop round to sort out my usb - Yorkshire's a long way away Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 2:07 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this "dumbing down" that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) ..people do not want to do anything but turn on a computer and have everything work the first time, every time. Linux has come a long way since I first tried it 5 years ago. I do not have everything working properly yet but I know that I will because I am willing to do some research and ask questions. I have winxp on another hard drive but haven't used it for about a week or so now. (I actually thought that I couldn't live without it, LOL) that is where techs come in handy. Someone who knows how to do something and gets paid for doing it. They either make use of them, and there are a lot of people out there that can and would do such a thing for money. It's either that or just simply dust off the old brain a bit and actually learn to do something for themselves. But as I said almost a year ago, it's not as easy to find a linux tech as a windows one. Anne :) I'm not overly expensive! At present when I'm not doing "dad" things and I'm not over burdened with home work for school I charge $25 an hour for custom programming and Website design and maintainence. It helps keep me in goodies for my ever growing population of Penguins and their trappings. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 20 Jan 2003 10:26 pm, walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this "dumbing down" that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) Why? Why can't we have a default install that's as dumbed down as you like, will handle all your basic needs, and let you get on with your more urgent needs as though you were still in windows. Then you can learn more at your own speed. After all, you will have some free time now there's no longer all those 'need to reboot' messages to say nothing of crashes and re-installs. Anne Actually, there isn't anything that says we can't have that, however, someone is going to have to be willing to write such an install routine and then get a distro to incorporate it into their installation process. The caveat I can see with that is this; the user is still going to have to know some things. I.e. ISP connection information, mailservice information etc... It would still require the end user to "know" something. Thing is...If one is going to purchase a PC with Linux already on it the hard work is finished and the machine then, in many ways as far as the user is concerned, is no different then a windows machine in that the user must now get to know the machine and how to operate it. This is true for Windows and Linux. It's a new machine, the user is new to computers so the learning curve is a pretty much identical. 1) learn to navigate the menu system. 2) learn the basics about the filesystem as to where things are kept and how to create/delete/change files and directories On the other hand...I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a user who already has some experience using computers and can perform the most basic things as described above, to do some research, a little bit of reading if necessary, and think things through if they're going to take on the task of installing the operating system themselves. They would have to do the very same thing "IF" they were going to do this with a windows installation and they'd never done it before. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
walt wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this "dumbing down" that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) ..people do not want to do anything but turn on a computer and have everything work the first time, every time. Linux has come a long way since I first tried it 5 years ago. I do not have everything working properly yet but I know that I will because I am willing to do some research and ask questions. I have winxp on another hard drive but haven't used it for about a week or so now. (I actually thought that I couldn't live without it, LOL) that is where techs come in handy. Someone who knows how to do something and gets paid for doing it. They either make use of them, and there are a lot of people out there that can and would do such a thing for money. It's either that or just simply dust off the old brain a bit and actually learn to do something for themselves. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Monday 20 Jan 2003 10:26 pm, walt wrote: > On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: > > > > > > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to > > "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness > > to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down > > the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a > > better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. > > I believe windows is perfect proof of this. > > But it is this "dumbing down" that will sell linux (and this is a > shame!!!) Why? Why can't we have a default install that's as dumbed down as you like, will handle all your basic needs, and let you get on with your more urgent needs as though you were still in windows. Then you can learn more at your own speed. After all, you will have some free time now there's no longer all those 'need to reboot' messages to say nothing of crashes and re-installs. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:05, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: > > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to > "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to > avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the > interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, > more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I > believe windows is perfect proof of this. But it is this "dumbing down" that will sell linux (and this is a shame!!!) ..people do not want to do anything but turn on a computer and have everything work the first time, every time. Linux has come a long way since I first tried it 5 years ago. I do not have everything working properly yet but I know that I will because I am willing to do some research and ask questions. I have winxp on another hard drive but haven't used it for about a week or so now. (I actually thought that I couldn't live without it, LOL) -- walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 20 Jan 2003 7:10 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Monday 20 Jan 2003 6:05 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able > > > > to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* > > > > willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. > > > > > > You're right there, mate. There's huge amounts of information in the > > > docs on this computer alone, without what's available on the Internet. > > > The problem for a newbie end user is finding the wheat from the chaff > > > with regard to his particular problem at that time. It's so > > > overwhelming. > > > > > > I don't see any answer to that. It's good and right that so much should > > > be available. What's needed, I think, is some sort of searchable flag > > > that says 'this help file is suitable for beginners'. > > > > > > Anne > > > > Hi Anne, > > > > thats where these lists come in so incredibly handy. I know it was my > > salvation when I first started using Mandrake. well, actually I learned > > the true value of the mailing list/news group when I was learning with > > RedHat, but the concept is the same. I truely believe that the Mandrake > > lists are without peer when it comes to support for both the brand new > > user and the advanced alike. > > I wouldn't have survived without this list, and I push it at beginners > whenever I get the chance. > > Anne :) that makes two of us! -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 "Stupidity has no moral high ground...it can't see that high!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Monday 20 Jan 2003 7:10 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 20 Jan 2003 6:05 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able > > > to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* > > > willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. > > > > You're right there, mate. There's huge amounts of information in the > > docs on this computer alone, without what's available on the Internet. > > The problem for a newbie end user is finding the wheat from the chaff > > with regard to his particular problem at that time. It's so > > overwhelming. > > > > I don't see any answer to that. It's good and right that so much should > > be available. What's needed, I think, is some sort of searchable flag > > that says 'this help file is suitable for beginners'. > > > > Anne > > Hi Anne, > > thats where these lists come in so incredibly handy. I know it was my > salvation when I first started using Mandrake. well, actually I learned > the true value of the mailing list/news group when I was learning with > RedHat, but the concept is the same. I truely believe that the Mandrake > lists are without peer when it comes to support for both the brand new > user and the advanced alike. I wouldn't have survived without this list, and I push it at beginners whenever I get the chance. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 20 Jan 2003 6:05 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to > > "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to > > avail themselves of that information and learn it. > > You're right there, mate. There's huge amounts of information in the docs on > this computer alone, without what's available on the Internet. The problem > for a newbie end user is finding the wheat from the chaff with regard to his > particular problem at that time. It's so overwhelming. > > I don't see any answer to that. It's good and right that so much should be > available. What's needed, I think, is some sort of searchable flag that says > 'this help file is suitable for beginners'. > > Anne Hi Anne, thats where these lists come in so incredibly handy. I know it was my salvation when I first started using Mandrake. well, actually I learned the true value of the mailing list/news group when I was learning with RedHat, but the concept is the same. I truely believe that the Mandrake lists are without peer when it comes to support for both the brand new user and the advanced alike. -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 "Stupidity has no moral high ground...it can't see that high!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Monday 20 Jan 2003 6:05 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to > "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to > avail themselves of that information and learn it. You're right there, mate. There's huge amounts of information in the docs on this computer alone, without what's available on the Internet. The problem for a newbie end user is finding the wheat from the chaff with regard to his particular problem at that time. It's so overwhelming. I don't see any answer to that. It's good and right that so much should be available. What's needed, I think, is some sort of searchable flag that says 'this help file is suitable for beginners'. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Colin McElhatton wrote: > > This is very unsettling news, I really would not want Mandrake to go away > any time soon. Of all the Linux flavours I have tried this was the one > that I could install without a hitch and whose minor flaws I could fix > thanks to this mailing-list among other things. I wish there was more > overt support to this distribution as I really think it is work using as > a Windows substitute. > > The only way this OS is going to gain more support is by having > applications that install painlessly all the time, that don't use gzip or > tar to unpack them but have proper self-executing installers instead. > That the Linux Configuration Centre is streamlined further to allow > computer-users vis-a-vis computer professionals to carry out the > neccessary day-to-day tweaking without having to know what's happening > beneath. Um...thats what *rpms* are for. *self extracting installations* as I see it the biggest reason that folks have a problem with the way things install under Linux is because they go into it with the expectation of the system *being* like windows. It is not. there are different rules and ways of doing things that actually have a history in Linux and it is necessary that the user learn and bend to these ways in order to make things work. Not the other way around. There really isn't anything wrong with .tar and .gz file formats - they are tried and true methods of archiving and file compression that have a lot more history and success behind them then does .zip. Having said that I can tell you that there's a fine tool in Mdk 9.0 that allows a user to use these file formats AND the beloved .zip file format *painlessly*. Its called File Roller. It works just like Winzip. > As for me I am happy with what I've got even though I would welcome any > improvements...which brings up other considerations to mind, like how > about having periodic self-extracting OS improvement packs that take the > hassle out of upgrading (say the KDE interface if a newer one comes out). > I'm talking off the top of my head here, but I would really like to see > the day when opting to go Linux ALL THE WAY will be really easy and full > of possibilities even for those who just USE a computer to play games, > read email, write a document and maybe use their webcams to communicate > with others over the net. what you're asking for is a computer that works like a car and _that_ will never happen. Computers will always require its user to possess some knowledge of the OS and it's programs. All it takes is a little learning. Since I've started with Linux almost 7 years ago I've seen huge improvements in the amount of knowledge that is required to install and operate a Linux desktop. I've used all of the major distros at one time or another, and without a doubt Mandrake is King. The single BIGGEST problem for end user to this day remains being able to "find" the information that will get them going and *their* willingness to avail themselves of that information and learn it. simply dumbing down the interface and the core processes of the system will _never_ make a better, more usable system. It only makes one weaker and far less stable. I believe windows is perfect proof of this. -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 "Stupidity has no moral high ground...it can't see that high!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 08:32, _nasturtium wrote: > Hello, > I'm sorry, but my honor will not allow me to pay in US dollars. Let me > explain why... > well, a long, long time ago (when most likely you weren't around) AU$ was > actually worth more than US$. > And for the past 10 years I've watched my savings plummet (part of the > problem is that commbank pays me 0.01% interest - 10 cents for $500 pa). > I'm not going to buy a dog coat until AU$ rises above US$ again (read: never). > Besides, my school would expel (ok, maybe only a detention) me if I wore a > dog coat to school... > Aww, only Dalmation Imitation. You're lucky - I was about to ring the RSPCA, > but my modem was taking the phone line... :-) > > Regards, > _nasturtium Yeehaw! That's why I'm sucking yank funds...for Aussies, it's actually around $12.95...(not including postage) I don't mind making money off the yanks nowadays, but hate spending MY money on yank products... -- Fri Jan 17 21:40:00 EST 2003 9:40pm up 1 day, 7:23, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.18, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You had some happiness once, but your parents moved away, and you had to leave it behind. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:46 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:36, _nasturtium wrote: > > There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called > > dalmatians. They're black and white which is just right, all you need to > > do know is genetically engineer them to have orange feet... > > Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? > > ;-) > > > > Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) > > > > _nasturtium > > We have doggie coats that are "Dalmation Imitation" - no real Dalmations > were damaged or drugged in the making of our coats - and yeah, the costs > are in USD because most of the clients are yanks (talk about Catch-22); > they like to spend USD in Australia...(g) > > ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: > $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) Hello, I'm sorry, but my honor will not allow me to pay in US dollars. Let me explain why... well, a long, long time ago (when most likely you weren't around) AU$ was actually worth more than US$. And for the past 10 years I've watched my savings plummet (part of the problem is that commbank pays me 0.01% interest - 10 cents for $500 pa). I'm not going to buy a dog coat until AU$ rises above US$ again (read: never). Besides, my school would expel (ok, maybe only a detention) me if I wore a dog coat to school... Aww, only Dalmation Imitation. You're lucky - I was about to ring the RSPCA, but my modem was taking the phone line... :-) Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 20:57, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 08:46, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: > > $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) > > I'd never have thought Aussie doggies needed coats.=:o) > > Good luck, > HarM We make the coats OUT of Aussie doggies - hence the name "Dog Coats". (g) -- Fri Jan 17 20:00:00 EST 2003 8:00pm up 1 day, 5:43, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.13 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- "`You'd better be prepared for the jump into hyperspace. It's unpleasently like being drunk.' `What's so unpleasent about being drunk?' `You ask a glass of water.'" - Arthur getting ready for his first jump into hyperspace. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Friday 17 January 2003 08:46, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: > $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) I'd never have thought Aussie doggies needed coats.=:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:36, _nasturtium wrote: > There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called dalmatians. > They're black and white which is just right, all you need to do know is > genetically engineer them to have orange feet... > Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? ;-) > > Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) > > _nasturtium We have doggie coats that are "Dalmation Imitation" - no real Dalmations were damaged or drugged in the making of our coats - and yeah, the costs are in USD because most of the clients are yanks (talk about Catch-22); they like to spend USD in Australia...(g) ...and if you're in Australia, we have a special pricing plan for you: $9.95 USD, 100% down and NO monthly payments! (g) -- Fri Jan 17 19:40:00 EST 2003 7:40pm up 1 day, 5:23, 4 users, load average: 0.35, 0.50, 0.28 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before. -- Captain James T. Kirk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: > > [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would > > sell better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not > > everyone needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly > > like the ones at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). > > > > _nasturtium > > I'm trying to work out a deal with my wife to make dog coats in the Tux > fashion...think that would be a seller? There's a breed of dog you might be interested in...they're called dalmatians. They're black and white which is just right, all you need to do know is genetically engineer them to have orange feet... Hey, wait a minute...your cow coats are actually dalmatian, aren't they? ;-) Besides, I can't afford one. They're in US dollars! :-) _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 06:13, _nasturtium wrote: > [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would sell > better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not everyone > needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly like the ones > at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). > > _nasturtium I'm trying to work out a deal with my wife to make dog coats in the Tux fashion...think that would be a seller? -- Fri Jan 17 19:15:00 EST 2003 7:15pm up 1 day, 4:58, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.19 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- You should go home. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:09 pm, Charlie wrote: > On January 16, 2003 12:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > On Thursday 16 January 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 7:08 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > > > Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of > > > > faith in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for > > > > turning out the lights. : ) > > > > > > They don't make three-faced coins, I think? > > > > > > Anne > > > > No, so then we have to roll dice. High number wins. > > Use a pyramid. That'll work. :-) > > That gives ya 5 faces to flip for, right? Count me in. That makes 6. Back to dice? No! What if we all get the same number? There has got to be a better wayhmmm...I know! We hold an auction, proceeds go to Mandrakesoft, and the highest bidder gets to turn out the lights. [OT, as if this thread already isn't] And really, I think mandrake would sell better if they included a free Tux in each Powerpack, because not everyone needs a cap, but all linux users need penguins. I particularly like the ones at www.waiyiptoys.com (got 6 of them!). _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
RichardA wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 00:34, Robin Turner wrote: That gives me an idea. I've noticed during my Internet research (as Pete Townsend would put it) that sites utilising PayPal etc. tend to be purveyors of "adult material". One way to really boost capital would be to offer a new service, Porndrake, only available to Gold level Club members. Of ourse it would be very tasteful - beautiful software developers pozing with cuddly penguins etc. You could access it in a similar manner to the Mandrake Update feature in the RPMdrake. Volunteers, anyone? Sir Robin Ok, I'm naked except for a strategically placed install CD. Now what? Richard Log in to the CVS repository! Sir Robin -- "Difficulty is a coin which the learned conjure with so as not to reveal the vanity of their studies." - Montaigne Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 11:34, Robin Turner wrote: > That gives me an idea. I've noticed during my Internet research (as > Pete Townsend would put it) that sites utilising PayPal etc. tend to be >purveyors of "adult material". One way to really boost capital would > be to offer a new service, Porndrake, only available to Gold level Club > members. Of ourse it would be very tasteful - beautiful software > developers pozing with cuddly penguins etc. You could access it in a > similar manner to the Mandrake Update feature in the RPMdrake. > Volunteers, anyone? > > Sir Robin My wife and I sell dog coats using PayPal...and yes, the dog pictures show nude dogs... http://member.rivernet.com.au/kaytee/srp/index.html -- Fri Jan 17 08:25:00 EST 2003 8:25am up 18:08, 4 users, load average: 0.42, 0.17, 0.14 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Now it's time to say goodbye To all our company... M-I-C (see you next week!) K-E-Y (Why? Because we LIKE you!) M-O-U-S-E. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 16 January 2003 21:08, RichardA wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 00:34, Robin Turner wrote: > > That gives me an idea. I've noticed during my Internet research (as > > Pete Townsend would put it) that sites utilising PayPal etc. tend to be > >purveyors of "adult material". One way to really boost capital would > > be to offer a new service, Porndrake, only available to Gold level Club > > members. Of ourse it would be very tasteful - beautiful software > > developers pozing with cuddly penguins etc. You could access it in a > > similar manner to the Mandrake Update feature in the RPMdrake. > > Volunteers, anyone? > > > > > > Sir Robin > > Ok, I'm naked except for a strategically placed install CD. Now what? > > Richard Come back after you've rebooted using AND kept the install CD in place=;o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On January 16, 2003 12:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Thursday 16 January 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 7:08 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > > On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:48 am, Kelley Jernigan wrote: > > > > Well I plan on using MDK until they close the door and throw away the > > > > key. > > > > > > Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of > > > faith in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for > > > turning out the lights. : ) > > > > They don't make three-faced coins, I think? > > > > Anne > > No, so then we have to roll dice. High number wins. Use a pyramid. That'll work. :-) That gives ya 5 faces to flip for, right? -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org That is the true season of love, when we believe that we alone can love, that no one could have loved so before us, and that no one will love in the same way as us. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Friday 17 January 2003 00:34, Robin Turner wrote: > That gives me an idea. I've noticed during my Internet research (as > Pete Townsend would put it) that sites utilising PayPal etc. tend to be >purveyors of "adult material". One way to really boost capital would > be to offer a new service, Porndrake, only available to Gold level Club > members. Of ourse it would be very tasteful - beautiful software > developers pozing with cuddly penguins etc. You could access it in a > similar manner to the Mandrake Update feature in the RPMdrake. > Volunteers, anyone? > > > Sir Robin > Ok, I'm naked except for a strategically placed install CD. Now what? Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thursday 16 January 2003 01:18 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 7:08 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:48 am, Kelley Jernigan wrote: > > > Well I plan on using MDK until they close the door and throw away the > > > key. > > > > Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of > > faith in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for > > turning out the lights. : ) > > They don't make three-faced coins, I think? > > Anne No, so then we have to roll dice. High number wins. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thursday 16 January 2003 5:50 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 5:12 pm, Carlos Cifuentes wrote: > > I like mandrake club two years ago. Is very difficult to be mandrake´s > > member and i haven´t time for this (the process isn´t clear; i cann´t pay > > in dollars nor euros, my money is colombian pesos). I think too much > > people have the same problem. Carlos. > > Last summer Manddrakesoft admitted that the international currency > situation is a problem. They hoped to find a way round it. I asked about > credit card payment, but was told that the problem there is that in several > countries, including the U.K., you can pay be credit card, then change your > mind and demand a refund. Whilst this was a measure intended to protect us > from high-pressure sales, it does make it impossible to use the system for > things like joining the club or buying shares. > > As we all know, other events took precedence - this was just before the big > lay-off problem.. This is another problem that they may have time to > tackle if the new move enables removal of the day-to-day fear of their > creditors. > > Anne Anne and Carlos, A piece of information, which may be of interest. With the Canadian distribution Libranet, one buys the discs directly from Libranet in Canada - they have no distributors. They will accept payment by credit card over the internet, credit card details sent by fax, credit card details sent by letter, and even payment by means of a cheque made out in GB pounds (at the current exchange rate). Mandrake will only accept Club membership payment by means of credit card over the internet or by fax. They have told me that they will not accept it by letter. In my opinion, if Mandrake could be more flexible regarding payment, they would get many more club members. It's the same with buying things from the Mandrake Store. Libranet can do it without problems, so Mandrake ought to be able to. Let us hope they look at it again as soon as they are able. Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 7:08 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:48 am, Kelley Jernigan wrote: > > Well I plan on using MDK until they close the door and throw away the > > key. > > Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of faith > in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for turning out > the lights. : ) They don't make three-faced coins, I think? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:48 am, Kelley Jernigan wrote: > Well I plan on using MDK until they close the door and throw away the key. Me too, if it comes to that, which I doubt very much (I have a lot of faith in where there is a will there is a way) , I'll flip you for turning out the lights. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Well I plan on using MDK until they close the door and throw away the key. -- J. Kelley Jernigan - Registered Linux User # 282143 http://www.hovercraftersresource.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 5:12 pm, Carlos Cifuentes wrote: I like mandrake club two years ago. Is very difficult to be mandrake´s member and i haven´t time for this (the process isn´t clear; i cann´t pay in dollars nor euros, my money is colombian pesos). I think too much people have the same problem. Carlos. Last summer Manddrakesoft admitted that the international currency situation is a problem. They hoped to find a way round it. I asked about credit card payment, but was told that the problem there is that in several countries, including the U.K., you can pay be credit card, then change your mind and demand a refund. Whilst this was a measure intended to protect us from high-pressure sales, it does make it impossible to use the system for things like joining the club or buying shares. I don't think that (according to most countries' laws) you can buy shares online anyway - AFAIK what happens when you buy and sell shares online is that you effectively tell a broker to do it for you. A similar third party solution might apply to credit-card payments - use someone like PayPal or whatever for Club membership. This might protect Mdk from people ducking out and asking for their money back - I'm not sure exactly how these systems work. That gives me an idea. I've noticed during my Internet research (as Pete Townsend would put it) that sites utilising PayPal etc. tend to be purveyors of "adult material". One way to really boost capital would be to offer a new service, Porndrake, only available to Gold level Club members. Of ourse it would be very tasteful - beautiful software developers pozing with cuddly penguins etc. You could access it in a similar manner to the Mandrake Update feature in the RPMdrake. Volunteers, anyone? Sir Robin -- "Difficulty is a coin which the learned conjure with so as not to reveal the vanity of their studies." - Montaigne Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Thursday 16 Jan 2003 5:12 pm, Carlos Cifuentes wrote: > I like mandrake club two years ago. Is very difficult to be mandrake´s > member and i haven´t time for this (the process isn´t clear; i cann´t pay > in dollars nor euros, my money is colombian pesos). I think too much people > have the same problem. Carlos. > Last summer Manddrakesoft admitted that the international currency situation is a problem. They hoped to find a way round it. I asked about credit card payment, but was told that the problem there is that in several countries, including the U.K., you can pay be credit card, then change your mind and demand a refund. Whilst this was a measure intended to protect us from high-pressure sales, it does make it impossible to use the system for things like joining the club or buying shares. As we all know, other events took precedence - this was just before the big lay-off problem.. This is another problem that they may have time to tackle if the new move enables removal of the day-to-day fear of their creditors. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
I like mandrake club two years ago. Is very difficult to be mandrake´s member and i haven´t time for this (the process isn´t clear; i cann´t pay in dollars nor euros, my money is colombian pesos). I think too much people have the same problem. Carlos.Yahoo! Móviles Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:14 am, Marc wrote: > 1/14/03 8:51:57 PM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill > > tidings? > > > > I don't know if this is what I would call ill tidings or not. > No I don't think I would call it good news but I am also not > shure that it is bad news. >Look at it this way, it could be a chance for Mandrake to > get out of debt for 50 cents on the dollar maybe 10 cents on > the dollar. Wouldent we all like to do that? Very similar > stuff happened to Chrysler corperation in the 80s and look at > them today. > I have seen similar things happen to other small companys > and then seen them come out of it smelling like a rose. >This could be the best thing to happen to Mandrake in a > long time or it could be a sighn of inpending doom. >I woud not hazzard a guess eather way, only time will tell. > > Just my 2 cents worth > > Marc Tis so true... I really ment my reply to Carroll as a jest. We are all aware of the tough economic times we are in, and we are all aware that Mandrake does NOT have so much money that they are looking to hire me or anyone to compare web browsers. I think it is knida intresting to note tho that this thread has raised almost as many "please no HTML/ _my_ mail program handles it OK" replies as concern for the future of our favorite Linux Distro type of replies. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 3:00 pm, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems > > 1/14/03 8:51:57 PM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill > > tidings? > > > > I don't know if this is what I would call ill tidings or not. > No I don't think I would call it good news but I am also not > shure that it is bad news. >Look at it this way, it could be a chance for Mandrake to > get out of debt for 50 cents on the dollar maybe 10 cents on > the dollar. Wouldent we all like to do that? Very similar > stuff happened to Chrysler corperation in the 80s and look at > them today. > I have seen similar things happen to other small companys > and then seen them come out of it smelling like a rose. >This could be the best thing to happen to Mandrake in a > long time or it could be a sighn of inpending doom. >I woud not hazzard a guess eather way, only time will tell. > > Just my 2 cents worth > > Marc > > Everybody stay calm and move slowly toward the exits. Just kidding. See the > link for more info > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/01/10/2131224 > > Also realize that Chapter 11 is for reorganization and protection from > creditors who could make such demands that a company must close the door. > Chapter 11 would give MandrakeSoft a chance to get in the clear and attain > profitablility. But my bet is on an outside investor. Cheers Dennis M. I don't know much about how it works, but it seems to me that if Chapter 11 helps them control their creditors, that may be necessary first before a new investor checks in. I read the article up to and including the first reply - then got annoyed about that negative one being sign anonymouse. Looked down the list and found the others were too. Maybe some were not negative - I'll never know because on principle I left. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Title: RE: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems 1/14/03 8:51:57 PM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill tidings? > > > I don't know if this is what I would call ill tidings or not. No I don't think I would call it good news but I am also not shure that it is bad news. Look at it this way, it could be a chance for Mandrake to get out of debt for 50 cents on the dollar maybe 10 cents on the dollar. Wouldent we all like to do that? Very similar stuff happened to Chrysler corperation in the 80s and look at them today. I have seen similar things happen to other small companys and then seen them come out of it smelling like a rose. This could be the best thing to happen to Mandrake in a long time or it could be a sighn of inpending doom. I woud not hazzard a guess eather way, only time will tell. Just my 2 cents worth Marc Everybody stay calm and move slowly toward the exits. Just kidding. See the link for more info http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/01/10/2131224 Also realize that Chapter 11 is for reorganization and protection from creditors who could make such demands that a company must close the door. Chapter 11 would give MandrakeSoft a chance to get in the clear and attain profitablility. But my bet is on an outside investor. Cheers Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 1:14 pm, Marc wrote: > 1/14/03 8:51:57 PM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill > > tidings? > > > > I don't know if this is what I would call ill tidings or not. > No I don't think I would call it good news but I am also not > shure that it is bad news. >Look at it this way, it could be a chance for Mandrake to > get out of debt for 50 cents on the dollar maybe 10 cents on > the dollar. Wouldent we all like to do that? Very similar > stuff happened to Chrysler corperation in the 80s and look at > them today. > I have seen similar things happen to other small companys > and then seen them come out of it smelling like a rose. >This could be the best thing to happen to Mandrake in a > long time or it could be a sighn of inpending doom. >I woud not hazzard a guess eather way, only time will tell. Can't say that it was totally unexpected. However, the good side is that at least it appears that the new CEO is seriously looking at all options to save the company. We've all had grouses about them recently, but I imagine life is very tough for Mandrakesoft's employees right now. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
1/14/03 8:51:57 PM, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill tidings? > > > I don't know if this is what I would call ill tidings or not. No I don't think I would call it good news but I am also not shure that it is bad news. Look at it this way, it could be a chance for Mandrake to get out of debt for 50 cents on the dollar maybe 10 cents on the dollar. Wouldent we all like to do that? Very similar stuff happened to Chrysler corperation in the 80s and look at them today. I have seen similar things happen to other small companys and then seen them come out of it smelling like a rose. This could be the best thing to happen to Mandrake in a long time or it could be a sighn of inpending doom. I woud not hazzard a guess eather way, only time will tell. Just my 2 cents worth Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
This is very unsettling news, I really would not want Mandrake to go away any time soon. Of all the Linux flavours I have tried this was the one that I could install without a hitch and whose minor flaws I could fix thanks to this mailing-list among other things. I wish there was more overt support to this distribution as I really think it is work using as a Windows substitute. The only way this OS is going to gain more support is by having applications that install painlessly all the time, that don't use gzip or tar to unpack them but have proper self-executing installers instead. That the Linux Configuration Centre is streamlined further to allow computer-users vis-a-vis computer professionals to carry out the neccessary day-to-day tweaking without having to know what's happening beneath. As for me I am happy with what I've got even though I would welcome any improvements...which brings up other considerations to mind, like how about having periodic self-extracting OS improvement packs that take the hassle out of upgrading (say the KDE interface if a newer one comes out). I'm talking off the top of my head here, but I would really like to see the day when opting to go Linux ALL THE WAY will be really easy and full of possibilities even for those who just USE a computer to play games, read email, write a document and maybe use their webcams to communicate with others over the net. SUPPORT MANDRAKE, IT'S WORTH IT!!- Original Message - From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 15 Jan 2003 16:40:53 +1100 To: Mandrake Newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 13:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > Here we go again. According to this article at The Register: > > http://212.100.234.54/content/4/28859.html > > Mandrake _may_ be heading into Chapter 11 or its French equivalent. It is also > > considering other options including a merger, another go with the venture > > capitalists, whatever. (Chapter 11, for those not conversant in US legalise, > > is a form of bankruptcy that allows the company to continue operations under > > court supervison. The other common form of bankruptcy, Chapter 7, is used > > when they just turn off the lights and lock the doors, and go home.) > > > > Evidently the appeal for additional capital last month was not entirely > > successful. That's sad, but not entirely unexpected. According to one post I > > saw at Newsforge, they're still stuck with some ugly contracts left over from > > the ill-fated e-learning project. > > > > Without having looked, I expect that there is already a long Slashdot thread > > in progress. Duh. > > -- cmg > > I seem to recall that I made a statement concerning this about 1.5 > months ago - that all might not be so well and good in the "Kingdom" as > it were. > > Not to say "I told you so", but well, "I told you so". > > -- > Wed Jan 15 16:35:00 EST 2003 > 4:35pm up 1 day, 8:16, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.09 > -- > | __ __ | kuhn media australia | > | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | > | .\__/ || | | |=| > | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | > | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | |'. `\ | | | icq: 5483808 | > | ;"""/ / | | | | > | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | > | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | > -- > * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting > -- > > "The Avis WIZARD decides if you get to drive a car. Your head won't touch the > pillow of a Sheraton unless their computer says it's okay." > -- Arthur Miller > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Colin McElhatton AIMIS email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 3012406 Mob: 79262628 -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com Meet Singles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 13:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > Here we go again. According to this article at The Register: > http://212.100.234.54/content/4/28859.html > Mandrake _may_ be heading into Chapter 11 or its French equivalent. It is also > considering other options including a merger, another go with the venture > capitalists, whatever. (Chapter 11, for those not conversant in US legalise, > is a form of bankruptcy that allows the company to continue operations under > court supervison. The other common form of bankruptcy, Chapter 7, is used > when they just turn off the lights and lock the doors, and go home.) > > Evidently the appeal for additional capital last month was not entirely > successful. That's sad, but not entirely unexpected. According to one post I > saw at Newsforge, they're still stuck with some ugly contracts left over from > the ill-fated e-learning project. > > Without having looked, I expect that there is already a long Slashdot thread > in progress. Duh. > -- cmg I seem to recall that I made a statement concerning this about 1.5 months ago - that all might not be so well and good in the "Kingdom" as it were. Not to say "I told you so", but well, "I told you so". -- Wed Jan 15 16:35:00 EST 2003 4:35pm up 1 day, 8:16, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.09 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- "The Avis WIZARD decides if you get to drive a car. Your head won't touch the pillow of a Sheraton unless their computer says it's okay." -- Arthur Miller Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Tuesday 14 January 2003 09:51 pm, et wrote: > Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill tidings? No, I don't. But this struck me as a rather important piece of news, particularly since it's based on an interview with Mandrake's CEO, Francois Bancilhon. For those who haven't RTFA, please do so. It covers a lot of ground. Note that it doesn't say that Mandrake is going into bankruptcy, just that it is one of the options that is being considered. Among other things, Bancilhon makes three points: 1. The first priority is to get some money in the place. 2. A merger is not in the works, but might be considered in the future _after_ the money problem is under control. 3. _NO_ decision has been made about filing for bankruptcy, but he admits that it is a possibility. FWIW, I spent some time the other night reading some of the postings in the non-techie parts of the Mandrake Club Forum. (I'm a member, but these forums are open to everyone.) It was not a Happy Time. I found several active threads from various people who have yet to receive merchandise from the Mandrake store that was ordered (and billed to their credit cards) several months ago. Attempts to contact someone at the Mandrake Store have been largely ineffective. Note that these are current postings, not stuff from last fall when the stuff first hit the fan. It's also worthwhile to note that a week ago Deno posted that any future submittals about the Mandrake Store will not be posted at the club, but will be forwarded directly to the store. Deno has other things to do with his time, such as run the Club all by himself. (See http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=293&mode=nocomments). My take is that whatever remedies were applied at the Store a while back (November?) have not had much effect: Merchandise still isn't being shipped, and customers are still in the dark. And some of them are really pissed... Changing the subject: Ed, I was sorry to hear about your motorcycle accident, but you appear to have regained at least some use of your hand. (I'm told that one good way to find out who your real friends are is to break both arms. Any truth to that?) Anyway, it's good to see you back again. Regards. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Financial Problems
Boy, Carroll Grigsby do you _Like_ to be the bearer of ill tidings? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
