RE: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW
I understand that now but it is poor design. An index and data base of some kind similar to DARE I SAY IT the windows registry or some other design that has what is there would be what is needed. There is a long way to go here. It does not take that long to upgrade a large AS/4000 with a new OS, and there is a LOT more to depend on. Thanks to the supersede/prereq/coreq ability of the PTF system. Something similar and on a smaller scale is needed. It is totally ridiculous and totally pour to take that lung. An upgrade should ALWAYS take less time than a new install in a well designed system in my opinion. NOTE: I AM NOT saying LINUX is poorly designed, it is not BUT I am saying that the upgrade process IS POORLY DONE. > -Original Message- > From: Charles A Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:57 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW > > > > Would it be faster if I used the SCSI CD drive (my CD-RW) as the install > > device? > > WHY then is it slow on update but faster on new install? The > hardware does > > not change. > > My slower system which has 2 IDE CDROMS is faster by far. > > My CDROM drives are not on the same cable, they are on the auxiliary IDE > > controllers. Definitely NOT on the same cable for the IDE and of course > the > > SCSI is a different adapter altogether. I don't know what the problem is > but > > that is not the answer. > > > Gill >The drive you are using will have only a minor effect on the time. >A new install takes roughly an hour wereas an upgrade install can take > anywhere from 3 to 15 hours to complete. >When you do a new install all the programs and settings are copied to > your hd as is, therefore it takes only a short time. >When you do an upgrade install the installation program must > check every > program, setting, dependency,etc., that is currently on your > system against > every package on the CD to see if an upgrade is needed, make any needed > changes and still try not affect any "data" or settings you might have > entered. The more you have customised, and the more programs you > have added > the longer the upgrade will take. > >Charles > >
Re: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW
> Would it be faster if I used the SCSI CD drive (my CD-RW) as the install > device? > WHY then is it slow on update but faster on new install? The hardware does > not change. > My slower system which has 2 IDE CDROMS is faster by far. > My CDROM drives are not on the same cable, they are on the auxiliary IDE > controllers. Definitely NOT on the same cable for the IDE and of course the > SCSI is a different adapter altogether. I don't know what the problem is but > that is not the answer. Gill The drive you are using will have only a minor effect on the time. A new install takes roughly an hour wereas an upgrade install can take anywhere from 3 to 15 hours to complete. When you do a new install all the programs and settings are copied to your hd as is, therefore it takes only a short time. When you do an upgrade install the installation program must check every program, setting, dependency,etc., that is currently on your system against every package on the CD to see if an upgrade is needed, make any needed changes and still try not affect any "data" or settings you might have entered. The more you have customised, and the more programs you have added the longer the upgrade will take. Charles
RE: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW
|-Original Message- |From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:20 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW | | |Would it be faster if I used the SCSI CD drive (my CD-RW) as the install |device? Probably as the SCSI devices handle I/O via their own processor, off loading the host. |WHY then is it slow on update but faster on new install? The hardware does |not change. The update must scan the entire installed RPM database. On my system this database is over 64 Megs in size. It is scanned for dependancies and other associated files upon each and every software "update". |My slower system which has 2 IDE CDROMS is faster by far. |My CDROM drives are not on the same cable, they are on the auxiliary IDE |controllers. Definitely NOT on the same cable for the IDE and of course the |SCSI is a different adapter altogether. I don't know what the |problem is but |that is not the answer. | A new install creates a new RPM database as it goes. Since prior entries do not exist it is much faster. The rest becomes dependant upon the speed of your system. If installing an updated RPM (prior to the installation upgrade) causes Linux to go off for awhile scanning the RPM database, then an upgrade is indeed going to take hours. It's doubtful that your "slower" system is indeed faster in a similiar setting, rather you either have it more lightly loaded with RPM's or you performed a clean installation on it. Linux (rather RPM) must also scan the RPM's in the current "installation/upgrade" directory as it goes along. Anything which ties up the processor (I.E. IDE drive access) will adversely affect this process. In several reported cases which I've seen, problems with the CD-ROM drives have resulted in upgrade times of over eight hours. Though your milage may vary. -JMS
RE: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW
It's a problem with your CD-ROM drive. You may have it on the same cable as a hard drive, it may have DMA enabled or another mode enabled, etc. While it will probably complete, you should look into this. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: Gilbert Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:08 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [newbie] UPDATE from 7.0 to 7.1 is Ridiculously SLOW | | |I am trying to update to 7.1 with the 7.1 cads. I boot and choose |update. It |has now run over 3 1/2 hours and is still on the first CD. This is on a P3 |500 with 256 megs of memory. This is ridiculous. | |A clean install where you chose install instead of update only |takes about 2 |hours. What is going on? | |
