Re: [newbie] Update help please
Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Brian > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:09 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Update help please > > > Hello I am the one who started this post and after getting some feedback > here are my thoughts: > > First off I would like to thank everyone for their help,one of the > strengths of linux is the friendly support from other users. > > Now the not so good. > > I have been using Debian for a year and after getting a new hard drive I > thought I would give Mandrake a try as I heard alot of good things about > it. The install was easy, setup all my hardware (even my Logitech web > cam) and runs very smooth. Everything was going good then I tried to > update to 8.2 and wanted to know if I can update it over the net. My the > net and not cd? I have a cable modem so downloading is not a big deal > and I do not have a cd burner so making ISO disks all the time will not > work.The answers that I have seen so far about updating have to do about > a fresh install. To me this seems like alot of work to keep your system > updated.The other way is to update individual packages until the whole > system is updated, again seems like alot of work. In Debian all I have > to do is 'apt-get update' and the system is updated for me. No need for > boot disks or reinstalling the whole system. > > This is not meant to be a knock against Mandrake, I think for the most > part it is very good,but for people with no linux experience updating it > will prove a challenge. Once again I thank all those who have replied to > my question. > > Brian > Brian, you haven't been reading my posts, or else we are having a continuing problem communicating. The INSTALLER (called DrakX) will update you as well as make a fresh install and it does work over the network. I explained how to get it for 8.2 (the one for 8.1 will look at the wrong dependency list). That is your primary update tool over the web; however, I should point out that despite volunteer mirrors allowing several thousand simultaneous users, little to nothing has been available this week as it has been literally choked. I suggest downloading and burning CDs if you have the capability, because these are volunteer mirrors and they don't always set all the permissions correctly, which can abort the update at an inconvenient point. Plus you are looking at about triple the task for updating Mandrake over updating Debian unless you have added a lot of packages to the Debian default install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
On March 22, 2002 01:12 am, Civileme spake thusly: Well, you could put a mirror with the 8.2 packages on your update list with Software Manager, and check what you want to update and do that until you are at 8.2, but that would be a painful experience, though it would (eventually) work. Software manager installs groups of packages that require or depend on each other much like apt-get. Another and better way is to find a mirror that has the 8,2 packages and look in /images and download network.img then dd if=network.img of=/dev/fd0 and boot from that floppy, once again identifying the site and the directory that has the Mandrake RPMS as your source. You can then install or update as you choose, and you can select additional packages, but all your currently installed packages would be updated. (Except the kernel which would be installed.) Civileme _ I'm willing to take a stab at it. If it blows up I'll let you know. :-/ Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Update help please
Title: RE: [newbie] Update help please -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Update help please Hello I am the one who started this post and after getting some feedback here are my thoughts: First off I would like to thank everyone for their help,one of the strengths of linux is the friendly support from other users. Now the not so good. I have been using Debian for a year and after getting a new hard drive I thought I would give Mandrake a try as I heard alot of good things about it. The install was easy, setup all my hardware (even my Logitech web cam) and runs very smooth. Everything was going good then I tried to update to 8.2 and wanted to know if I can update it over the net. My the net and not cd? I have a cable modem so downloading is not a big deal and I do not have a cd burner so making ISO disks all the time will not work.The answers that I have seen so far about updating have to do about a fresh install. To me this seems like alot of work to keep your system updated.The other way is to update individual packages until the whole system is updated, again seems like alot of work. In Debian all I have to do is 'apt-get update' and the system is updated for me. No need for boot disks or reinstalling the whole system. This is not meant to be a knock against Mandrake, I think for the most part it is very good,but for people with no linux experience updating it will prove a challenge. Once again I thank all those who have replied to my question. Brian > > Just an opinion. Do a fresh install, not an upgrade. If you > have a separate /home dir partition, don't re-format it during the > install and you might probly be OK ;) A better method is to save a > copy of your current /home dir, and just move back into the new 8.2 > /home dir things like personal files and directories, and trusted app > config and storage files, eg, like /Mail for Kmail. Checking for any > problems as you do so. > > My two main reasons for this are you should be backing up at least > /home on a regular basis anyhow, and some stale old 8.1 config files > may cause unexpected or unwanted results runnin on a newer release. > Generally application files will be OK, it's the system config files > which may present unfortunate situations. Takes just a few minutes > longer, but think of it as spring cleaning, and quality assurance ;) > > Well, actually there's other reasons. Any software apps not > shipped with the distro probly have newer versions available. So d/l > the new one and install it rather than tryin to save the older one. > FWIW, I always install the new distro into one big '/', but I keep a > storage partition (/stor ;) in which I regularly keep a bakup copy of > /home. > > Last but not least, if you use closed source proprietary (ie, non > free as in speech) applications or drivers, install them last. > There's good reasons besides being closed source they're not included > in the distro. By their nature, they can't be supported or checked > for compatibility and security. So if ya just have to have 'em, it's > your responsibility to check that they don't cause conflicts or other > problems. Actually if you go into the Mandrake Package Manager, one of the choices at the top is Mandrake update. If you click on that the program will go to the network and your selected mirror and determine which packages are available for updating what is installed on your computer. This works fine for most cases and could work for what you want to do although I have not tried it that way. Dependencies should be automatically detected and added to the list. Do not use it to upgrade a kernel, however cause that can and will often, trash your current kernel and mess you up bigtime. If need be do the kernel with urpmi kernel-4.x.x.i586.rpm etc and that will install next to the existing kernel. Then add the new kernel to lilo and then do the upgrade. HTH Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Update help please
Hello I am the one who started this post and after getting some feedback here are my thoughts: First off I would like to thank everyone for their help,one of the strengths of linux is the friendly support from other users. Now the not so good. I have been using Debian for a year and after getting a new hard drive I thought I would give Mandrake a try as I heard alot of good things about it. The install was easy, setup all my hardware (even my Logitech web cam) and runs very smooth. Everything was going good then I tried to update to 8.2 and wanted to know if I can update it over the net. My the net and not cd? I have a cable modem so downloading is not a big deal and I do not have a cd burner so making ISO disks all the time will not work.The answers that I have seen so far about updating have to do about a fresh install. To me this seems like alot of work to keep your system updated.The other way is to update individual packages until the whole system is updated, again seems like alot of work. In Debian all I have to do is 'apt-get update' and the system is updated for me. No need for boot disks or reinstalling the whole system. This is not meant to be a knock against Mandrake, I think for the most part it is very good,but for people with no linux experience updating it will prove a challenge. Once again I thank all those who have replied to my question. Brian > > Just an opinion. Do a fresh install, not an upgrade. If you > have a separate /home dir partition, don't re-format it during the > install and you might probly be OK ;) A better method is to save a > copy of your current /home dir, and just move back into the new 8.2 > /home dir things like personal files and directories, and trusted app > config and storage files, eg, like /Mail for Kmail. Checking for any > problems as you do so. > >My two main reasons for this are you should be backing up at least > /home on a regular basis anyhow, and some stale old 8.1 config files > may cause unexpected or unwanted results runnin on a newer release. > Generally application files will be OK, it's the system config files > which may present unfortunate situations. Takes just a few minutes > longer, but think of it as spring cleaning, and quality assurance ;) > >Well, actually there's other reasons. Any software apps not > shipped with the distro probly have newer versions available. So d/l > the new one and install it rather than tryin to save the older one. > FWIW, I always install the new distro into one big '/', but I keep a > storage partition (/stor ;) in which I regularly keep a bakup copy of > /home. > > Last but not least, if you use closed source proprietary (ie, non > free as in speech) applications or drivers, install them last. > There's good reasons besides being closed source they're not included > in the distro. By their nature, they can't be supported or checked > for compatibility and security. So if ya just have to have 'em, it's > your responsibility to check that they don't cause conflicts or other > problems. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
On Friday 22 March 2002 00:03, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: > Hah! I say to you Sir! I'm ready to duel you over that comment about > "no linux users!" :) > > Sarcastic wanker... as my wife will tell you, sarcastic does not begin to describe me wamker? well lets not touch that here, shall we. :-D i once used various marketing and FUD claims by different companies to prove that there were over 124 billion people on the planet. lies, damn lies, and microsoft marketing. since i edit in ODP for linux, i sometimes get emails about how i should give up, and nobody uses it. one guy claimed 0.27% of the desktop is linux. now for all i know he is right, but if he is, every single one of them have been on the mandrake servers for several days now. ;-) -- "My job is bring comfort to the disturbed, and disturb the comfortable." shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
On Thursday 21 March 2002 08:38 pm, linux wrote: > Hi > > I have Mandrake 8.1 and I would like to upgrade my packages to 8.2. > Can someone please point me in the right direction? Just an opinion. Do a fresh install, not an upgrade. If you have a separate /home dir partition, don't re-format it during the install and you might probly be OK ;) A better method is to save a copy of your current /home dir, and just move back into the new 8.2 /home dir things like personal files and directories, and trusted app config and storage files, eg, like /Mail for Kmail. Checking for any problems as you do so. My two main reasons for this are you should be backing up at least /home on a regular basis anyhow, and some stale old 8.1 config files may cause unexpected or unwanted results runnin on a newer release. Generally application files will be OK, it's the system config files which may present unfortunate situations. Takes just a few minutes longer, but think of it as spring cleaning, and quality assurance ;) Well, actually there's other reasons. Any software apps not shipped with the distro probly have newer versions available. So d/l the new one and install it rather than tryin to save the older one. FWIW, I always install the new distro into one big '/', but I keep a storage partition (/stor ;) in which I regularly keep a bakup copy of /home. Last but not least, if you use closed source proprietary (ie, non free as in speech) applications or drivers, install them last. There's good reasons besides being closed source they're not included in the distro. By their nature, they can't be supported or checked for compatibility and security. So if ya just have to have 'em, it's your responsibility to check that they don't cause conflicts or other problems. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
Brian wrote: >I guess I should hve been more clear. How can I update the programs that I >have installed to the current versions that are in 8.2 over the net? I do >not want to update it with a cdrom. In Debian I just did apt-get update and >i was able to update my system without doing a complete install. > >Brian > >>If you have separate /home and /opt and /usr/local partitions on your >>8.1 install, just don't format them and install 8.2. MOst things will >>be preserved by /home, but tarballs often install to /usr/local unless >>you play with the --prefix, and commercial programs that comply with LSB >>install to /opt. >> >>Otherwise, try the upgrade course. (NOT upgrade packages only, the full >>deal). There may be a few items to reconfigure, but their number will >>be small. >> >>Civileme >> >>Either way, it involves running the installer. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >> > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Well, you could put a mirror with the 8.2 packages on your update list with Software Manager, and check what you want to update and do that until you are at 8.2, but that would be a painful experience, though it would (eventually) work. Software manager installs groups of packages that require or depend on each other much like apt-get. Another and better way is to find a mirror that has the 8,2 packages and look in /images and download network.img then dd if=network.img of=/dev/fd0 and boot from that floppy, once again identifying the site and the directory that has the Mandrake RPMS as your source. You can then install or update as you choose, and you can select additional packages, but all your currently installed packages would be updated. (Except the kernel which would be installed.) Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
OK I've tried 12 times to add a frigging server to Update! No joy! EVER! It won't add them! It gives me an error all the time? I don't get it...and if I just try to update using the wizard it finds nada ofc. *argh?* Femme Miark wrote: > > That's what urpmi is for (which MandrakeUpdate uses). > > But aside from "this is how I used to do it", what's wrong > with using the CDs? I personally would rather have fresh > RPMs at my fingertips on CD than to have to download > everything. > > Miark > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:48:42 -0700, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly: > > > I guess I should hve been more clear. How can I > > update the programs that I have installed to the > > current versions that are in 8.2 over the net? I > > do not want to update it with a cdrom. In Debian > > I just did apt-get update and i was able to update > > my system without doing a complete install. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
That's what urpmi is for (which MandrakeUpdate uses). But aside from "this is how I used to do it", what's wrong with using the CDs? I personally would rather have fresh RPMs at my fingertips on CD than to have to download everything. Miark On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:48:42 -0700, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly: > I guess I should hve been more clear. How can I > update the programs that I have installed to the > current versions that are in 8.2 over the net? I > do not want to update it with a cdrom. In Debian > I just did apt-get update and i was able to update > my system without doing a complete install. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
I guess I should hve been more clear. How can I update the programs that I have installed to the current versions that are in 8.2 over the net? I do not want to update it with a cdrom. In Debian I just did apt-get update and i was able to update my system without doing a complete install. Brian > > > If you have separate /home and /opt and /usr/local partitions on your > 8.1 install, just don't format them and install 8.2. MOst things will > be preserved by /home, but tarballs often install to /usr/local unless > you play with the --prefix, and commercial programs that comply with LSB > install to /opt. > > Otherwise, try the upgrade course. (NOT upgrade packages only, the full > deal). There may be a few items to reconfigure, but their number will > be small. > > Civileme > > Either way, it involves running the installer. > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Update help please
Mithrilhall2000 wrote: >I'm looking to do the same. I really want to know if I'll have to >reconfigure everything, such as SAMBA, Proftpd, and my two hotline servers? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of linux >Sent: March 21, 2002 6:39 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [newbie] Update help please > > >Hi > >I have Mandrake 8.1 and I would like to upgrade my packages to 8.2. Can >someone please point me in the right direction? > >Thanks > >Brian > > > > > >_ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > If you have separate /home and /opt and /usr/local partitions on your 8.1 install, just don't format them and install 8.2. MOst things will be preserved by /home, but tarballs often install to /usr/local unless you play with the --prefix, and commercial programs that comply with LSB install to /opt. Otherwise, try the upgrade course. (NOT upgrade packages only, the full deal). There may be a few items to reconfigure, but their number will be small. Civileme Either way, it involves running the installer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Update help please
I'm looking to do the same. I really want to know if I'll have to reconfigure everything, such as SAMBA, Proftpd, and my two hotline servers? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of linux Sent: March 21, 2002 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Update help please Hi I have Mandrake 8.1 and I would like to upgrade my packages to 8.2. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks Brian _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
