Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
Tom Brinkman wrote: > 17 is one term, 99 years is another? I'm not a patent attorney, > what do I know ;> IANAL! Unless something has changed, patents have a fairly short term (17 years sounds right) and can be renewed once. Copyrights are the thing that have the very long life, like life of the author plus 70(?) years, and for coporations, 99(?) years. Randy Kramer I now know that IANAL is intended to mean "I Am Not A Lawyer", but before I understood that, I thought it meant "I Am Not A Liar". I wondered, for a very brief time, why all these people involved in legal discussions felt the need to proclaim they were not liars. ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 08:22:14PM -0700, shane wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 18 July 2002 6:50 pm, Tom Brinkman did speak unto the huddled > masses, saying: > > > Take any .gif file and just rename it as a .png, you'll get the same > > image when you open it (or v'versa). You can also take M$ .ico's and > > convert them to .gif's or call'em .png's. > > can you really? then why are all the png images i make so damn big? i > tried to convert my site from jpg to png about 8 months ago, every image > tripled, or more, in size! maybe i am doing something wrong.. > > - -- > We have forgotten who we are. We have alienated ourselves from the > unfolding of the cosmos, become estranged from the movements of the Earth, > turned our backs on the cycles of life. -UN Environmental Sabbath Program > > shane Were your images photograph-type? PNG can't compete with JPG for photographic quality images in the quality-size game. PNGs are great for computer generated images like buttons, logos, and some screenshots. Take a screenshot of an e-mail message or something text-heavy, save it as a PNG and then a JPG to see the lossy JPG compression--it just can't compete with PNG for quality, but JPG wins in file size. Todd -- Todd Slater Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 July 2002 4:22 am, shane wrote: > On Thursday 18 July 2002 6:50 pm, Tom Brinkman did speak unto the > huddled > > masses, saying: > > Take any .gif file and just rename it as a .png, you'll get the > > same image when you open it (or v'versa). You can also take M$ > > .ico's and convert them to .gif's or call'em .png's. > > can you really? then why are all the png images i make so damn big? > i tried to convert my site from jpg to png about 8 months ago, every > image tripled, or more, in size! maybe i am doing something > wrong.. You're falling into a common error; the two are, algorithmically, chalk and cheese. JPG is lossy compression. In other words, In The Beginning there was a 'pure' image (even if only going down the wire to a scanner) which the JPEG algorithm deliberately slightly degraded to save disk space but preserve an acceptable image quality. Hence the slider on 'save as JPEG' which allows you to change the degree of compression from 0 - perfect reproduction - to 100 - infinite degradation. PNG is lossless. Thus the image is 'pure' so has a bigger file size but 'perfect' quality. So converting JPG to PNG is gaining no value (doing the conversion will in crease the file size but won't undegrade the image) whereas PNG to JPG may be worthwhile. PNG was developed by Compuserve because of the _last_ great image spat, namely Unisys claiming patents on GIF. Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9N8n7XzGCRjP1DsMRApNZAJsGFUF6LPH3ynTaS31DTJRwYJg08wCfZKTG f2gxLzQUSXA0Mv59nKB0Ngc= =7p1b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thursday July 18 2002 09:24 pm, Joe Riel wrote: > The patent was issued in October 1987, so, > unless there are addendums, it should be expiring in 2004, right? > Not much time to collect on it... > > Joe Riel 17 is one term, 99 years is another? I'm not a patent attorney, what do I know ;> -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 July 2002 6:50 pm, Tom Brinkman did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: > Take any .gif file and just rename it as a .png, you'll get the same > image when you open it (or v'versa). You can also take M$ .ico's and > convert them to .gif's or call'em .png's. can you really? then why are all the png images i make so damn big? i tried to convert my site from jpg to png about 8 months ago, every image tripled, or more, in size! maybe i am doing something wrong.. - -- We have forgotten who we are. We have alienated ourselves from the unfolding of the cosmos, become estranged from the movements of the Earth, turned our backs on the cycles of life. -UN Environmental Sabbath Program shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9N4XnBwq+ZwvIN/oRAr5NAJ9IJwL6rrHmq9F2H0WM0G+tFajf8QCfQCH2 0WWx18lj8+DdvRTw8GbPqfs= =Zhuu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
The patent was issued in October 1987, so, unless there are addendums, it should be expiring in 2004, right? Not much time to collect on it... Joe Riel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thursday 18 July 2002 09:50 pm, you wrote: > On Thursday July 18 2002 05:27 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > That's ok, we can use .png and ignore the companies that require > > royalties. It's a bit late in the game to play the royalty card. My > > web pages will serve up just as well in png, thank you very much. > > Take any .gif file and just rename it as a .png, you'll get the same > image when you open it (or v'versa). You can also take M$ .ico's and > convert them to .gif's or call'em .png's. > > They're not layin claim to the extension. They're tryin' to claim > right to the algorithm. Long time ago somebody tried to claim .gif's > algorithm too, ...still out there. This deal is probly the same IMO. > More worrisome is M$'s recent stakes on openGL. They've got the bucks > for the lawyer$ that can make anything become true. > >... what I wanna know is why all these suck a$$ co's claim to reside > in Texas? That's really a bigger deal to me anyhow. Embarrassing. > Bad enough that Dell and Compaq live here ;( At least they all seem to > congregate in the lately yankee parts around Austin (and Dallas). > > More claims than quality ... in TX that's always called 'phony -mf > B$'. In this case tho, I believe it's more'a "don't let your mouth > write a check your butt cain't cash" deal. Your images are safe. > . well maybe, unless Sony (another phony -mf b$ co.) decides to > provide the lawyer$, to protect their stake in this johnny come lately > claim. > >Sony, Micro$oft, Dell, Compaq . if y'all would just quit buyin > their junk ... err stuff, they wouldn't have the money for all the > phony lawyer$ ... and their damn TV commercials. makes me wonder what will happen to uncle Billy's Billions if the value is still all M$ stock options and they make M$ account for their accounting as well as we got worldcom and enron to account fo where the money went Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thursday July 18 2002 05:27 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > That's ok, we can use .png and ignore the companies that require > royalties. It's a bit late in the game to play the royalty card. My > web pages will serve up just as well in png, thank you very much. Take any .gif file and just rename it as a .png, you'll get the same image when you open it (or v'versa). You can also take M$ .ico's and convert them to .gif's or call'em .png's. They're not layin claim to the extension. They're tryin' to claim right to the algorithm. Long time ago somebody tried to claim .gif's algorithm too, ...still out there. This deal is probly the same IMO. More worrisome is M$'s recent stakes on openGL. They've got the bucks for the lawyer$ that can make anything become true. ... what I wanna know is why all these suck a$$ co's claim to reside in Texas? That's really a bigger deal to me anyhow. Embarrassing. Bad enough that Dell and Compaq live here ;( At least they all seem to congregate in the lately yankee parts around Austin (and Dallas). More claims than quality ... in TX that's always called 'phony -mf B$'. In this case tho, I believe it's more'a "don't let your mouth write a check your butt cain't cash" deal. Your images are safe. . well maybe, unless Sony (another phony -mf b$ co.) decides to provide the lawyer$, to protect their stake in this johnny come lately claim. Sony, Micro$oft, Dell, Compaq . if y'all would just quit buyin their junk ... err stuff, they wouldn't have the money for all the phony lawyer$ ... and their damn TV commercials. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:19:00 -0700 shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > all future web sites have to be .png? > > http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25658.html > the claim seems to adress programs having the ability to display JPG, not the ones serving it, so maybe we would have to end up paying in order to be able to get a 'licensed' browser with jpg-display capability ( just in case, keep your gqview program handy and hidden ;oP ) Damian -- Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
On Thursday 18 July 2002 06:19 pm, shane wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > all future web sites have to be .png? > > http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25658.html > > - -- > This is Linux country. On a quiet night, you can hear NT re-boot. > > shane > Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html > Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 > Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ > Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9N0zsBwq+ZwvIN/oRAleiAJ9dI9fnaIn42HrS3oPz/rcP2zCXUACfceO0 > RIh9oJhb024szEZmXopZV60= > =DZHg > -END PGP SIGNATURE- That's ok, we can use .png and ignore the companies that require royalties. It's a bit late in the game to play the royalty card. My web pages will serve up just as well in png, thank you very much. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
