Re: [newbie] Before I start and Etc.
> Mark: > This is, indeed, almost a FAQ question. :-) If we HAD a FAQ > it would probably be there. :-) > modprobe ppa is, I think, the answer > Check the archives... I recall TONS of questions about > paralell port devices. :-) > John Thanks .. John. Mark - Original Message - From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 3, 1999 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Before I start and Etc. > On Thu, 02 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > > > Extern-Zip-drive, Par-port-type. > > with LM? > > > > I hope this has not been asked 100 times before, > > cause if so .. I missed it. > > > Mark: > This is, indeed, almost a FAQ question. :-) If we HAD a FAQ > it would probably be there. :-) > modprobe ppa is, I think, the answer > Check the archives... I recall TONS of questions about > paralell port devices. :-) > John
Re: [newbie] Before I start and Etc.
Hi John and all,
Re: Ram/Swap - 128 Meg.
Yea .. I agree, better to big .. then to small.
(Off Topic:)
A word about my mobo:
Well, My LM-PP CD's came today, to bad I
didn't have a motherboard to start building
the system, as everything else is already here.
Bunta.com, tell me it's on back order. {Sigh}
Been waiting almost 3 weeks now. (Abit-be6-II)
Think I could have mail ordered one direct from China
and got it before this. hehe.
(End - Off topic.)
Question?
I been putting together as much info
as I can, about the devices I have, that
will go into my new box. So far, I've
done pretty well. (Thanks to this list.)
What I need now, is info on how to get
LM to use my zip-drive, so I can plug it
back and forth from this machine and the
new one and transfer all the info i've been
collecting, like drivers, RPMs and etc.
See below.
Extern-Zip-drive, Par-port-type.
with LM?
I hope this has not been asked 100 times before,
cause if so .. I missed it.
Thank You !!
Mark Fitzgerald
- Original Message -
From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: December 2, 1999 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Before I start?
> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote:
> > Hi John ..
> >
> > (Re: what am I planning to do with the system)
> > (Re: .. Swap file size)
> >
> > Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with
KDE
> > and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play
games,
> > Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc.
> >
> > Hmmm .. well, guess that about sums it up.
> >
> I'd say somewhere around 128 megs of swap should be
> sufficient for the above. If you're not planning on doing a
> lot of programming, etc, you might be able to drop it a
> bit, but IMNSHO, it's better to have TOO much swap than not
> enoughsame goes for ram! :-) You can always have ram
> sitting there unused (well Linux will ALWAYS use almost all
> the available RAM for buffering, etc, but other than that,
> it's "unused" ram )
> My feeling is that you can have more ram than you need and
> there's no harm done, but if you don't have enough RAM,
> it's a real pain!!!
> John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Thu, 02 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > I'm curious as to even needing 128mb swap (?) I have 128mb's > ram, and no matter what, I never get into the swap for more than 2 > to 5 mb's. I asked for 80mb, but Diskdruid gave me 88. Should'a > asked for 40. > Well, my machine at home here has 192 megs of ram, and only 50-some odd megs of SWAP space. OTOH, my machine at work has about the same amount of swap, but only 32 megs of RAM! :-) I feel it's better to be safe than sorry... :-) John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
> > (Re: what am I planning to do with the system) > > (Re: .. Swap file size) > > > > Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with KDE > > and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play games, > > Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc. > > > > Hmmm .. well, guess that about sums it up. > > > I'd say somewhere around 128 megs of swap should be > sufficient for the above. If you're not planning on doing a > lot of programming, etc, you might be able to drop it a > bit, but IMNSHO, it's better to have TOO much swap than not > enoughsame goes for ram! :-) You can always have ram > sitting there unused (well Linux will ALWAYS use almost all > the available RAM for buffering, etc, but other than that, > it's "unused" ram ) > My feeling is that you can have more ram than you need and > there's no harm done, but if you don't have enough RAM, > it's a real pain!!! > John I'm curious as to even needing 128mb swap (?) I have 128mb's ram, and no matter what, I never get into the swap for more than 2 to 5 mb's. I asked for 80mb, but Diskdruid gave me 88. Should'a asked for 40. -- .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Hi John .. > > (Re: what am I planning to do with the system) > (Re: .. Swap file size) > > Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with KDE > and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play games, > Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc. > > Hmmm .. well, guess that about sums it up. > I'd say somewhere around 128 megs of swap should be sufficient for the above. If you're not planning on doing a lot of programming, etc, you might be able to drop it a bit, but IMNSHO, it's better to have TOO much swap than not enoughsame goes for ram! :-) You can always have ram sitting there unused (well Linux will ALWAYS use almost all the available RAM for buffering, etc, but other than that, it's "unused" ram ) My feeling is that you can have more ram than you need and there's no harm done, but if you don't have enough RAM, it's a real pain!!! John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
Hi Seth, RE: swap file - Well, seems like 128 is all I should need then. I thank you kindly ! Mark Fitzgerald - Original Message - From: Seth Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 1, 1999 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Before I start? > On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > > Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with KDE > > and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play games, > > Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc. > > > I do alot of the same things and am finding that 128M works well for me. . .i > must say life is much nicer after a kernel rebuild too. . . > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (There's Actually STUFF Here Now! > YAY!!) > "As it is, The American Justice System is a big enough joke WITHOUT TV > Court Shows. . ." > -D Johnson
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999, you wrote: > Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with KDE > and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play games, > Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc. > I do alot of the same things and am finding that 128M works well for me. . .i must say life is much nicer after a kernel rebuild too. . . -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (There's Actually STUFF Here Now! YAY!!) "As it is, The American Justice System is a big enough joke WITHOUT TV Court Shows. . ." -D Johnson
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
Hi John .. (Re: what am I planning to do with the system) (Re: .. Swap file size) Well, Most likly I'll use it to .. learn linux, fool around with KDE and other window managers, edit web pages and graphics, play games, Play cd-music, surf the net .. etc. Hmmm .. well, guess that about sums it up. Mark ... > > One more thing. I forgot to mention that > > I will be using 128 meg of ram, any advive on > > swap file size? > > > What are you planning on doing with the system? If it's just going to > be a learning machine, somewhere between 64 mb and 128mb swap should > be sufficient. If you plan on doing a LOT of memory intensive > activies, you'd probably want to double that. > John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: > John.. > I too am brand new to Linux...and would like to know how i go about making a > boot disk(?)..I am using system commander delux on win98...upon making the > boot disk...do i load it first and then the cdrom (linux mandrake 6.1) or do > i load both and they will know which loads first. > Thanks > Shane > Wait...do you already have Linux installed? If so, please ignore my previous post. If you do, just use the "mkbootdisk " and all should be well. It should bypass System Commander and anything else so long as the system is set to boot off the floppy. If you want to upgrade or install a new version of Linux, you'd do as I mentioned in my previous post. I'm afraid I'm a bit confused as to what you want. :-) John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: > John.. > I too am brand new to Linux...and would like to know how i go about making a > boot disk(?)..I am using system commander delux on win98...upon making the > boot disk...do i load it first and then the cdrom (linux mandrake 6.1) or do > i load both and they will know which loads first. > Thanks > Shane > Get the program "rawrite.exe" off the CDROM (it's in the /dosutils directory) and then get a blank floppy (preferably fresh out of the box) and stick it in the floppy drive. Assuming your CDROM drive is D:, the command would be "rawrite d:\images\boot.img" IIRC, Rawrite assumes your A: drive is a 3.5" floppy (you need a blank HIGH-DENSITY 1.44 mb floppy, btw.) As for using the boot floppy to install Linux, in theory, if you can change your boot sequence, you won't need it at all for an IDE CDROM. If you can't change it, you'll need to shut down Windows and restart your computer, making sure that the boot sequence is A: C: so that it looks to the floppy drive first. Then just hit "enter" at the prompt and it'll ask how you want to install and just select "local CDROM" and go from there. John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
Hi John, First of .. Thank you! I'll sit down tonight and draw up a plan and I've picked up a few Howto's. One more thing. I forgot to mention that I will be using 128 meg of ram, any advive on swap file size? Regards! Mark Fitzgerald mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 29, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Before I start? > On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: > > I have to install WinNintyHate, so I've been giving this some > > thought. A friend of mine installs win98 in 2 partitions, where most > > of the programs are in the second > > and win98 itself in the first. Better off in a crash situation he > > says. > > > Sound idea. :-) You'd also be well advised to back up your > registry to the second drive on a fairly regular basis > (weekly, daily, hourly??? ) > > > > Well anyway, I have to large drives and I want > > to install both OS's. > How is the best way to go about > > it? > > > ALWAYS install Windows first, as it will wipe the MBR on > installation. If you plan on dual-booting using LILO, you > MUST install Windows first, then install Linux. > > > > I don't really want to go through all the > > work of installing linux in my hpc-366 situation, to > > have Win98 blow it up on me when it installs. Which OS > > first? > > > Definitely Windows 98. It resets the MBR when it installs, > so that would wipe your LILO. Get a basic Win98 > installation up and running, then install Linux. Also, make > sure you do NOT turn on the bios-level virus protection, as > it may think LILO is a boot-sector virus and refuse to > load. :-) > > > > I plan to put Linux and I suppose win98 on the 18 gig > > drive. Also, I plan to give Linux atleast 8 Gig or more. > > > > (BTW - I have Linux Mandrake - 6.1 Power pack) > > > > Your thoughts on this and Thanks in advance! > > > Sounds like a plan to me. :-) I'd suggest making /home a > separate partition so if something happens you won't have > problems and lose your home directory/ies. Also, you'd be > advised to put a 5-10 meg partition at the HEAD of the > primary drive as your "/boot" partition. And, I'd recommend > a "junk" partition where you can store the archives of any > programs you install so that if you have to reinstall > Linux, you can easily reinstall your programs (Star Office, > WP8 for Linux, etc.) > John
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
John.. I too am brand new to Linux...and would like to know how i go about making a boot disk(?)..I am using system commander delux on win98...upon making the boot disk...do i load it first and then the cdrom (linux mandrake 6.1) or do i load both and they will know which loads first. Thanks Shane - Original Message - From: "John Aldrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Before I start? > On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: > > I have to install WinNintyHate, so I've been giving this some > > thought. A friend of mine installs win98 in 2 partitions, where most > > of the programs are in the second > > and win98 itself in the first. Better off in a crash situation he > > says. > > > Sound idea. :-) You'd also be well advised to back up your > registry to the second drive on a fairly regular basis > (weekly, daily, hourly??? ) > > > > Well anyway, I have to large drives and I want > > to install both OS's. > How is the best way to go about > > it? > > > ALWAYS install Windows first, as it will wipe the MBR on > installation. If you plan on dual-booting using LILO, you > MUST install Windows first, then install Linux. > > > > I don't really want to go through all the > > work of installing linux in my hpc-366 situation, to > > have Win98 blow it up on me when it installs. Which OS > > first? > > > Definitely Windows 98. It resets the MBR when it installs, > so that would wipe your LILO. Get a basic Win98 > installation up and running, then install Linux. Also, make > sure you do NOT turn on the bios-level virus protection, as > it may think LILO is a boot-sector virus and refuse to > load. :-) > > > > I plan to put Linux and I suppose win98 on the 18 gig > > drive. Also, I plan to give Linux atleast 8 Gig or more. > > > > (BTW - I have Linux Mandrake - 6.1 Power pack) > > > > Your thoughts on this and Thanks in advance! > > > Sounds like a plan to me. :-) I'd suggest making /home a > separate partition so if something happens you won't have > problems and lose your home directory/ies. Also, you'd be > advised to put a 5-10 meg partition at the HEAD of the > primary drive as your "/boot" partition. And, I'd recommend > a "junk" partition where you can store the archives of any > programs you install so that if you have to reinstall > Linux, you can easily reinstall your programs (Star Office, > WP8 for Linux, etc.) > John >
Re: [newbie] Before I start?
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: > I have to install WinNintyHate, so I've been giving this some > thought. A friend of mine installs win98 in 2 partitions, where most > of the programs are in the second > and win98 itself in the first. Better off in a crash situation he > says. > Sound idea. :-) You'd also be well advised to back up your registry to the second drive on a fairly regular basis (weekly, daily, hourly??? ) > > Well anyway, I have to large drives and I want > to install both OS's. > How is the best way to go about > it? > ALWAYS install Windows first, as it will wipe the MBR on installation. If you plan on dual-booting using LILO, you MUST install Windows first, then install Linux. > > I don't really want to go through all the > work of installing linux in my hpc-366 situation, to > have Win98 blow it up on me when it installs. Which OS > first? > Definitely Windows 98. It resets the MBR when it installs, so that would wipe your LILO. Get a basic Win98 installation up and running, then install Linux. Also, make sure you do NOT turn on the bios-level virus protection, as it may think LILO is a boot-sector virus and refuse to load. :-) > > I plan to put Linux and I suppose win98 on the 18 gig > drive. Also, I plan to give Linux atleast 8 Gig or more. > > (BTW - I have Linux Mandrake - 6.1 Power pack) > > Your thoughts on this and Thanks in advance! > Sounds like a plan to me. :-) I'd suggest making /home a separate partition so if something happens you won't have problems and lose your home directory/ies. Also, you'd be advised to put a 5-10 meg partition at the HEAD of the primary drive as your "/boot" partition. And, I'd recommend a "junk" partition where you can store the archives of any programs you install so that if you have to reinstall Linux, you can easily reinstall your programs (Star Office, WP8 for Linux, etc.) John
RE: [newbie] Before I Start:
Dave - I have an older system running 95, and I was unable to upgrade to 98 and get everything working. I ended up reformatting the 95 partition, and doing a clean install of 98. In regards to linux, The mandrake 5.3 install was simple (since I chose a default install), worked well with my 98 dual booting, and linux 2.0.36 handles the fat32 quite well. I found that the Running Linux book, by Matt Welch, an excellent reference, and it has helped me several times. Bill -Original Message- From: Pat & David Leathers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Before I Start: Hi: Right now I'm running win95. Within the next week or so I plan to upgrade to win98. I have also ordered a disk with mandrake-5.3. What I would like to do is to set these up so I can dual boot into win98 or linux. My question is where can I go or how can I get all the information that I will need to do this? What information do I need to have before I start the installation of linux? Does Linux support fat-32? I will end up with two separate hard disk one 3.2 gig and one 3.2 or 6.4 gig. Would it be better to put win98 on one and Lunix on another? After I get win98 up and running good, will it be possible not to mess it up when I install Linux--So I can ask questions online if I need too? One thing that bothers me is that most folks seem to have big problems getting Linux installed. I have been reading some news-groups and there are numerous horror stories. But from what I have heard it is very hard to install Lunix. I thought that it would be best to prepare as best as I can. Thanks David:
Re: [newbie] Before I Start:
On Sun, 07 Mar 1999, you wrote: > >%_Hi: > > Right now I'm running win95. Within the next week or so I plan to upgrade to win98. > I have also ordered a disk with mandrake-5.3. What I would like to do is to set >these up so I can dual boot into win98 or linux. > > My question is where can I go or how can I get all the information that I will need >to do this? What information do I need to have before I start the installation of >linux? Does Linux support fat-32? I will end up with two separate hard disk one 3.2 >gig and one 3.2 or 6.4 gig. Would it be better to put win98 on one and Lunix on >another? After I get win98 up and running good, will it be possible not to mess it >up when I install Linux--So I can ask questions online if I need too? > > One thing that bothers me is that most folks seem to have big problems getting Linux >installed. I have been reading some news-groups and there are numerous horror >stories. But from what I have heard it is very hard to install Lunix. I thought >that it would be best to prepare as best as I can. > > Thanks > David: > First Mandrake instalation is easy. To install and to dual boot Win98 and linux here are the steps. Partition Drive into 2 parts, one Fat32 the other blank. If you already have Windows installed use scandisk and defrag before you do this step otherwise you risk loosing data (Trust me, I know) If you are installing off cd, and you computer supports cd-rom booting (this will be a setting in the bios) Thinks will go from there, since this sounds like your first time, go easy and usually the defaults are the best. Thats about it, have fun and good luck. Andre
Re: [newbie] Before I Start:
Hi there, I've had a situation similar to yours. Just recently I had a single hard drive and used to have Win98 on it. Afterwards I decided should have another hard drive for Linux. I believe that you've already done a big step which is the choice of the Linux distribution that you are wanting to install ( which is Mandrake 5.3). I am assuming that you are going to have two independent hard drives installed in your machine. And also that both Hard drives are IDE ( I have not tried SCSI drives). And that you're going to access them in LBA mode. ( If you don't know how to do this, I strongly advise you to find somebody with the expertise to install the Hard drives and define which becomes the master and which the slave). Bearing in mind that you've listened to my advise then the next step is to gather information on how to have a dual boot system, this can be done by browsing the Mandrake manual (see http://www.linux-mandrake.com and look for the doc section of that home page this will take you there). After reading that you'll need to decided what type of installation you are going to do : Assuming that your computer allows you to boot from your CD-ROM then there is more or less nothing to fear. Go to the BIOS setup ( once your computer is started will read the memory and startup PNP cards, right after this press the delete key on your Keyboard and this will take you there) and change the boot sequence ( tell your computer to boot from the CD-ROM) and save the settings and exit ( read the BIOS setup carefully and do not perform any other change if you're not familiar with this stuff). Once you've exited your computer will restart and start the booting from the CD-ROM, from there you should follow the instructions in the screen. However please read the Getting started manual for installation ( the one that I've just referred to previously). The second possibility is that your computer does not boot from the CD-ROM. In this case you'll need to have four floppy disks ready ( format them) for the following operation. 1. Create a boot disk ( this can be done using your Win95/98 system whichever the case). Place your Mandrake CD in the CD-ROM and look for the subdirectories DOSUTILITIES and IMAGES. In the DOSUTILITIES you'll need the rawrite program which will allow you to create the disks. ( I do not have the entire procedure at my fingertips right now, but I can email them to you if you want). 2. Create a Supplemental disk 3. Create a rescue disk. After you've done this then you use the boot disk to start the installation. You should be able to find a set of options of install. Choose install from the CD-ROM and then from there on things will follow their way. ( I am assuming you've read the Installation manual that I've just referred to). If every thing is done the way I've suggested then do not worry about harming your Windows System ( there is a program called LILO = Linux Loader, this will take care of the dual booting). But I think is better for the moment that you install your Linux system in the primary IDE drive ( if you're having an IDE drive) and LILO will be installed in there and Linux will your default OS. Whenever your computer boots up you'll have the option to boot whichever you choose, if after a certain delay you do not define which the system will boot to Linux since you've decided it to be the default. Later when you feel more comfortable with Linux then you can configure LILO and change to DOS as the default if you ever like to do so. PS: The 4th disk is for LILO. You will only need this almost at the end of the installation. I hope this help. Let me know, privately if you've got any problem, so that we can discuss. Cheers Bernardo
Re: [newbie] Before I Start:
> Pat & David Leathers wrote: > > Hi: > > Right now I'm running win95. Within the next week or so I plan to > upgrade to win98. I have also ordered a disk with mandrake-5.3. What > I would like to do is to set these up so I can dual boot into win98 or > linux. Very easy to achieve. > My question is where can I go or how can I get all the information > that I will need to do this? What information do I need to have > before I start the installation of linux? Does Linux support fat-32? Yes, Linux supports FAT32. It's called vfat under Linux. > I will end up with two separate hard disk one 3.2 gig and one 3.2 or > 6.4 gig. Would it be better to put win98 on one and Lunix on > another? After I get win98 up and running good, will it be possible It will probably be easier on you. Especially since Win98 will likely ask you if you want Large Drive Support for their of those two drives. Windows, in particular, doesn't like being anything but the first drive, first partition, so you'll want to keep that in mind. Linux doesn't really care where it goes, so long as it's loader is available. > not to mess it up when I install Linux--So I can ask questions online > if I need too? Of course. By default, Linux installations keep the Windows installation available for boot anytime. Simply choose 'dos' at the boot prompt and away you go! It does make it tremendously easier having a working, alternate operating system incase you run across a stumper when working with Linux. > One thing that bothers me is that most folks seem to have big problems > getting Linux installed. I have been reading some news-groups and > there are numerous horror stories. But from what I have heard it is > very hard to install Lunix. I thought that it would be best to > prepare as best as I can. Installations have gotten alot easier in the past couple years. I have to admit that I've been using Linux for quite a while now, but installation is basically a no-brainer for most things. Make notes of your installation, writing down where you installed certain things. You'll probably want to write down what partition is your root, which is your swap, and which is Windows. If you have your monitor manuals available, they'll probably come in handy when entering some information to configure the X Window System. Know which comports are your mouse and modem. Beyond that, it's just a matter of picking items from a menu. As one of the other replies noted, choose "Custom" from the installation menu. You'll be given a menu of "high level" functions that you'd like to accomplish on your system. Just pick the things that sound likely or interesting and you're all set! As always, feel free to mail the list with anything you have questions about. We've all been through the installation and are glad to help new users. Enjoy! -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Before I Start:
In a message dated 3/7/99 5:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << fore I start the installation of linux? Does Linux support fat-32? I will end up with two separate hard disk one 3.2 gig and one 3.2 or 6.4 gig. Would it be better to put win98 on one and Lunix on another? After I get win98 up and running good, will it be possible not to mess it up when I install Linux--So I can ask questions online if I need too? One thing that bothers me is that most folks seem to have big problems getting Linux installed. I have been reading some news-groups and there are numerous horror stories. But from what I have heard it is very hard to install Lunix. I thought that it would be best to prepare as best as I can. Thanks David: >> hi, i whould install win98 first and make sure you do a custom install so you can select a partition to install it on! workstation and server format your system and start over new gotta go hope it helps a tiny bit
