Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:58, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > thanks stephen, but i still got the same problem. > > i believe there is something wrong with my mbr coz mandrake can't read > > the partition table. I don't know much about this thing but i'm willing > > to do it. I read that windows will somehow leave itself on a certain part > > of the harddisk even if you format the drive. Well, i downloaded the > > program to zero the harddisk here. It says this" > > "This procedure performs a pseudo-formatting to the drive. It erases all > > of your previous data and reinitializes it to "00" pattern. By performing > > this task, you will be able to erase the whole user area including your > > Master Boot Record, Partition Table, FAT (File Allocation Table), and all > > the files and data it refers to. Use this program if you want to be sure > > your drive is clean." > > > > So my question is, after running this program, can i easily boot up my pc > > properly? as in, i load in my win98 setup disk? Or will it not load at > > all and i have to fill up some other parameters? > > > > Sean > > I think you'll be good to go after "zero-ing" the entire drive - BTW, > most BIOS's have the ability to do a "low level format" of a drive... People, please do not do a low level format unless you know what you are doing. You may have to spend a long time to restore your disk to a usable state. http://howto.lycos.com/lycos/step/1,,pop-139+24365+9929,00.html http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/ata_llfmt_what.html http://www.techrescue.net/guides/prepdrv3.asp And if you want more links... (Paste these three lines into your browser without any spaces) http://www.google.co.nz/search?as_q=&num=50&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+ Search&as_epq=low+level+format&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype= &as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 09:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Erik, >Ok, i tried what u said. Downloaded AutoClave and ran it. Did 1 pass since i tot >that's enough. Reinstalled xp (NTFS). Later, resized it using PQMagic, having Fat32 >and ext2. Booted into Mandrake setup.and Got the same problem!!! I feel it's >not the harddisk then. Bios perhaps? >I also downloaded the clean up program from fujitsu(my harddisk manufacturer). >Ran it and did the same thing, got the same problem. >If this goes on i'm going to sue Toshiba. ;) Sean, Once you had XP installed, did you boot into it to make sure it worked o.k.before booting mandrake CD1? I have only worked with Partition Magic, not PQM, so I don't know if it messes up the mbr or not when working with ntfs. Presuming that it booted and ran o.k. in XP, then the problem is elsewhere. If it won't boot and run XP before you attempt the linux install, then the problem may still lie in the way the partitions are set up (by PQM) and now it writes the mbr after the partition change...or it may be the XP install itself (errors in the CD burn, such as telling the software to ignore errors so that it makes an exact duplicate of the original with any/all intentional errors uncorrected). Another problem could be that the burn was 'bad' because it was burned at too fast a speed. Anything burned over 8X is suspect and anything burned at 4X is compatible with more CD drives--IMO. I'm sure there could be other reasons for the error to continue to plague your install, but those are the two areas I have seen most often. Reaching a little: What OS did the machine have on it originally? Presuming that the XP install will boot, would it be possible for you to install the original OS, make the necessary changes to the partitions for the dual boot that you want--make sure the original OS boots-- then install mdk and make sure it boots. Once all this is done, upgrade to XP, boot it to make sure it works, then boot to linux and set lilo or grub to give you the option of booting either. -- Erik Linux User 288105 @ http://counter.li.org = Bill who? ... Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
well a friend gave a burnt xp professional cd to me.. > > From: "Eileen Lopp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri 29/11/2002 12:58 AM GMT+08:00 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP > > Question here -- is your XP install disk OEM or retail? Some of the OEM > disks are incompatible with any sort of dual-boot setup due to adding > hidden partitions. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:01 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP > > > > > > Hi Erik, > >Ok, i tried what u said. Downloaded AutoClave and ran it. > > Did 1 pass since i tot that's enough. Reinstalled xp (NTFS). > > Later, resized it using PQMagic, having Fat32 and ext2. > > Booted into Mandrake setup.and Got the same > > problem!!! I feel it's not the harddisk then. Bios perhaps? > >I also downloaded the clean up program from fujitsu(my > > harddisk manufacturer). Ran it and did the same thing, got > > the same problem. > >If this goes on i'm going to sue Toshiba. ;) > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Question here -- is your XP install disk OEM or retail? Some of the OEM disks are incompatible with any sort of dual-boot setup due to adding hidden partitions. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP > > > Hi Erik, >Ok, i tried what u said. Downloaded AutoClave and ran it. > Did 1 pass since i tot that's enough. Reinstalled xp (NTFS). > Later, resized it using PQMagic, having Fat32 and ext2. > Booted into Mandrake setup.and Got the same > problem!!! I feel it's not the harddisk then. Bios perhaps? >I also downloaded the clean up program from fujitsu(my > harddisk manufacturer). Ran it and did the same thing, got > the same problem. >If this goes on i'm going to sue Toshiba. ;) > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Hi Erik, Ok, i tried what u said. Downloaded AutoClave and ran it. Did 1 pass since i tot that's enough. Reinstalled xp (NTFS). Later, resized it using PQMagic, having Fat32 and ext2. Booted into Mandrake setup.and Got the same problem!!! I feel it's not the harddisk then. Bios perhaps? I also downloaded the clean up program from fujitsu(my harddisk manufacturer). Ran it and did the same thing, got the same problem. If this goes on i'm going to sue Toshiba. ;) Sean > > From: Erik Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu 28/11/2002 1:36 PM GMT+08:00 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP > > If you are going to use fdisk, ONLY use it if you are going to install > XP on a Fat32 partition. NTFS and fdisk don't play together very well. > I've had to fix more installs of Win2000 and XP because a customer > decided to do it themselves and fdisked. The WinOs installed, but > refused to correctly convert to NTFS...and were very unstable. > > The easiest way to do this is totally clear the disk. I normally use a > program called AutoClave 0.3 .. free program on the internet, boots from > floppy, can be written to a floppy in windows or linux...is a minix > version of linux and you have a 5 level choice from 1 to 25 passes to > zero the disk or sterilize it. > > Once the disk is totally 00 , then M$ XP will think it's a brand new > drive and ask to partition/format... and then continue to install. Once > you have XP installed, use a trial version of Partition Magic or one of > the other partitioning tools that work with XP (NTFS) and resize the > partition, leaving room for the Fat32 partition and the linux > partition. Create the Fat32 partition and then write it all to disk. > Boot into XP to make sure it all works. > > >From there, you should be able to 'restart' and boot the mdk CD1 and > load the OS without interference from XP. Mandrake setup should see the > NTFS and Fat32 partitions (don't let it do anything to them--use expert > mode) and it will see the 'blank' space after those partitions. Because > the drive was put in a 00 state, XP will have written the mbr correctly > and it should no longer be a problem for mdk. > > HTH. > Erik > > > > On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 21:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > thanks stephen, but i still got the same problem. > > i believe there is something wrong with my mbr coz mandrake can't read the >partition table. I don't know much about this thing but i'm willing to do it. I read >that windows will somehow leave itself on a certain part of the harddisk even if you >format the drive. Well, i downloaded the program to zero the harddisk here. > > It says this" > > "This procedure performs a pseudo-formatting to the drive. It erases all of your >previous data and reinitializes it to "00" pattern. By performing this task, you will >be able to erase the whole user area including your Master Boot Record, Partition >Table, FAT (File Allocation Table), and all the files and data it refers to. Use this >program if you want to be sure your drive is clean." > > > > So my question is, after running this program, can i easily boot up my pc >properly? as in, i load in my win98 setup disk? Or will it not load at all and i have >to fill up some other parameters? > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- > Erik > > Linux User 288105 @ http://counter.li.org > = > > Bill who? ... Micro what? > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
If you are going to use fdisk, ONLY use it if you are going to install XP on a Fat32 partition. NTFS and fdisk don't play together very well. I've had to fix more installs of Win2000 and XP because a customer decided to do it themselves and fdisked. The WinOs installed, but refused to correctly convert to NTFS...and were very unstable. The easiest way to do this is totally clear the disk. I normally use a program called AutoClave 0.3 .. free program on the internet, boots from floppy, can be written to a floppy in windows or linux...is a minix version of linux and you have a 5 level choice from 1 to 25 passes to zero the disk or sterilize it. Once the disk is totally 00 , then M$ XP will think it's a brand new drive and ask to partition/format... and then continue to install. Once you have XP installed, use a trial version of Partition Magic or one of the other partitioning tools that work with XP (NTFS) and resize the partition, leaving room for the Fat32 partition and the linux partition. Create the Fat32 partition and then write it all to disk. Boot into XP to make sure it all works. >From there, you should be able to 'restart' and boot the mdk CD1 and load the OS without interference from XP. Mandrake setup should see the NTFS and Fat32 partitions (don't let it do anything to them--use expert mode) and it will see the 'blank' space after those partitions. Because the drive was put in a 00 state, XP will have written the mbr correctly and it should no longer be a problem for mdk. HTH. Erik On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 21:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > thanks stephen, but i still got the same problem. > i believe there is something wrong with my mbr coz mandrake can't read the partition >table. I don't know much about this thing but i'm willing to do it. I read that >windows will somehow leave itself on a certain part of the harddisk even if you >format the drive. Well, i downloaded the program to zero the harddisk here. > It says this" > "This procedure performs a pseudo-formatting to the drive. It erases all of your >previous data and reinitializes it to "00" pattern. By performing this task, you will >be able to erase the whole user area including your Master Boot Record, Partition >Table, FAT (File Allocation Table), and all the files and data it refers to. Use this >program if you want to be sure your drive is clean." > > So my question is, after running this program, can i easily boot up my pc properly? >as in, i load in my win98 setup disk? Or will it not load at all and i have to fill >up some other parameters? > > Sean > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Erik Linux User 288105 @ http://counter.li.org = Bill who? ... Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On November 26, 2002 07:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Charlie, >Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions. Unfortunately i got > stuck after choosing Expert installation where after which it couldn't read > my partitions properly. u might want to refer to my mail t stephen for a > full explanation. > > Sean Howdy Sean; Maybe 'cause I forgot to tell you to click "Done" after setting the partitions and you went straight to the next step without rewriting the existing partition table? I'm sorry, my bad! I've read the replies; including your partition layout posted to Stephen, as well as the answers from Stephen and Brian. The "8 GB (1024 cylinder) limit" doesn't affect your situation since Linux overcame that limitation some time back. It doesn't exist any more and isn't of any consequence. It seems the entire issue may have started with not being willing; or being unable, to give up data that hasn't been backed up, by reformatting and reinstalling both operating systems fresh, and aborting repartitioning at an early stage. Along with too many third party partitioning tools. Fdisk, Power Quest's Partition Magic, diskdrake, XP installer and so on. Is it any wonder the result is unreadable? The message you've been getting from the Mandrake installer means your partition table is so corrupt that it is unusable as it is. Following the suggestions presented by others (and my own) would mean losing whatever data is on the drive, but that seems unavoidable now. There are probably ways to rescue it; or at least some of it, but they all cost serious coin. Booting to the "command prompt only" from a DOS boot disk (Win 9x) and running /FDISK MBR, then deleting all partitions via low level format and starting fresh is possibly all you can do now. Brian's suggestion about "zeroing the disk" with a (Fujitsu? Is it part of their *major* recall?) utility disk is all about what some people refer to as a "deep" or "low level" format. Total erasure is the gist of it. I've had to do that recently with an old (3 years) 13 GB Maxtor in a friend's machine, but the option was in her machine's BIOS. Didn't need the utility disk. It takes a while, and the end result is a disk with absolutely _nothing_ usable written on it that any method (possibly) short of a scanning/tunneling electron microscope could find. As has been said by others; I see that you're getting frustrated, but please don't give up on the list's help and especially on yourself. You're getting good advice and suggestions from other list members, so I'll just step out of this and leave you all to it. 'Too many chefs spoil the broth' and so on. Just don't forget to back-up data in the future. There's a lot to be said for totally clean starts, and back-ups will let you do that without chasing bytes you need in the future. Best of luck Sean. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of. -- Blaise Pascal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Hi Charlie, Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions. Unfortunately i got stuck after choosing Expert installation where after which it couldn't read my partitions properly. u might want to refer to my mail t stephen for a full explanation. Sean > > > Hi Sean; > > I'm not quite certain what's causing the aggravating or why, but I spent an > unproductive hour (or four) on the phone with a friend last week trying to > solve it. Then I got cranky and gave him different instructions and it > worked. The instructions were (condensed) as follows: > > Fresh install, wiping all _OS_ partitions; but keeping any personal data > (pictures, music, movies, etc) on a 'shared' FAT32 partition previously > available. This is easier for totally fresh installs but the steps are the > same: > > First; boot to Mandrake install disk 1, > > choose install, expert, > > any partitions visible in the diskdrake screen except the one that contains > the data desired for 'save' are _individually_ deleted, > > use the desired partition sizes already determined for XP and make those > partitions as FAT32 (you'll format these later during XP install anyway, and > you wanted to convert one to NTFS but this will be easiest for now), > > make the desired Linux partitions in whatever file system format you've > chosen. ext3, Reiser, XFS, JFS, whatever you desire. If you want a seperate > /boot be sure it's ext2 or ext3 since you'll only get grief at the make boot > disk stage later and you don't want to skip that do you? :-) > > format **only** the Linux partitions and allow diskdrake to write the > partition table to disk, > > exit the install since you'll have to boot from the Mandrake install disk > later anyway and it's a waste of time for now otherwise. XP (like all things > Microsoft) doesn't play nice with others in other words, > > boot from the XP install disk and work only with the FAT32 section of the > drive that you allocated for XP install. (2 partitions I believe you said?) > Don't allow Windows to touch the rest of the disk except for recognition of > any pre-existing "shared data" FAT 32 partitions. Be careful it doesn't try > to format that or you'll hate it later almost as much as I do now. ;) > > Once finished with that "expert" install Mandrake as usual, avoiding the XP > partitions except for providing mount point information; then install > packages as desired. > > In my friend's situation he wanted XP to be default so that his wife and kids > wouldn't freak when exposed to Mandrake. I walked him through editing lilo > during a later call. > > I hope this is of some use. > > Regards; > -- > Charlie > Edmonton,AB,Canada > Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org > "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." > - Voltaire > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 04:51, Barry Premeaux wrote: > MD8.2 (nor any other Linux distrobution I am aware of) does not read NTFS. > I'm not an XP expert, but I believe you can force it to install on a FAT32 > partition. If you only need to see personal files on the XP side, then > create a FAT32 partition to save them there. MD8.2 will be able to see it. > You may want to consider the first option if you want to take advantage of > the ttfs fonts that are in MS. > > Barry You can modify the kernel to READ NTFS partitions (experimental write, but it's dangerous) - so most linux distros - OUT OF THE BOX cannot read NTFS - but if you recompile the kernel (2.4+) and make sure that you add NTFS under FILESYSTEMS, you are then able to read NTFS partitions. -- Wed Nov 27 07:25:00 EST 2002 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Start every day off with a smile and get it over with. -- W.C. Fields Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 12:11, Sean Goh wrote: > Hi, > Just to clarify, i want to install a dual boot system consisting of > WinXP and M8.2. I've already installed WinXP but i have trouble > installing M8.2 because of the problem stated earlier. Thanks for replying. > > Sean Ok - so then the question is this - as this will be the most important factor in this whole exercise: Is the partition for *nix BEFORE or AFTER the NTFS partition? If it is AFTER the NTFS partition, you need to move the NTFS partition to the end of the HD so that the partition for *nix is BEFORE the NTFS partition (or before the 1024th cylinder). If you can accomplish this task, then you should be able to install *nix on the blank partition you already set aside for it without any further problems. -- Wed Nov 27 07:20:00 EST 2002 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn The trouble with being poor is that it takes up all your time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 05:50, FemmeFatale wrote: > Should you fail to delete your partitions successfully re-reply to the list > & I'm sure Stephen will help you (he's the most prolific poster today so > I'm picking on him). > --- > Femme Is prolific a bad word? (grin) Oh, wait - I thought that was prophylactic... -- Wed Nov 27 07:15:01 EST 2002 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn I've noticed several design suggestions in your code. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 02:08, Sean Goh wrote: > Hi there, >I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB > harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. The > rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS > filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came in > when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. > "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." > Anyone knows how to solve this problem? > > Regards, > Sean > > I'm installing on a laptop 900MHZ with 384 MB RAM and GeForce2. Should > have met all the requirements of M8.2 Having to deal with dual-boot systems for clients all the time, I've stuck to a scheme I've used since the days of OS/2 - I create (at least) two partitions. First partition is left blank and unformatted. Second partition gets formatted with DOS (or whatever) and Windows is installed. After Windows is installed, then OS/2 (or linux) is installed on the first partition (of course, it's re-partitioned so that you have a /boot, an / and a swap partition) and lilo is setup to recognize both OS's - and used as the primary boot menu. Being that linux "lives" below the 1024th cylinder, it generally is a happy camper (and gets the faster parts of the disk). Winblows, er, Windows gets the rest as it ain't quite as picky... -- Wed Nov 27 07:15:01 EST 2002 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn I've noticed several design suggestions in your code. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On November 26, 2002 03:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Brian, >I partitioned into 2 partitions using XP for XP and left the 3rd > partition unnamed.(which is for mandrake). I tried formatting the first 2 > partitions with NTFS and FAT32. Still got the same problem when Mandrake > setup couldn't seem to detect it properly and gave me those error messages. > That's all i guess. > > Sean > Hi Sean; I'm not quite certain what's causing the aggravating or why, but I spent an unproductive hour (or four) on the phone with a friend last week trying to solve it. Then I got cranky and gave him different instructions and it worked. The instructions were (condensed) as follows: Fresh install, wiping all _OS_ partitions; but keeping any personal data (pictures, music, movies, etc) on a 'shared' FAT32 partition previously available. This is easier for totally fresh installs but the steps are the same: First; boot to Mandrake install disk 1, choose install, expert, any partitions visible in the diskdrake screen except the one that contains the data desired for 'save' are _individually_ deleted, use the desired partition sizes already determined for XP and make those partitions as FAT32 (you'll format these later during XP install anyway, and you wanted to convert one to NTFS but this will be easiest for now), make the desired Linux partitions in whatever file system format you've chosen. ext3, Reiser, XFS, JFS, whatever you desire. If you want a seperate /boot be sure it's ext2 or ext3 since you'll only get grief at the make boot disk stage later and you don't want to skip that do you? :-) format **only** the Linux partitions and allow diskdrake to write the partition table to disk, exit the install since you'll have to boot from the Mandrake install disk later anyway and it's a waste of time for now otherwise. XP (like all things Microsoft) doesn't play nice with others in other words, boot from the XP install disk and work only with the FAT32 section of the drive that you allocated for XP install. (2 partitions I believe you said?) Don't allow Windows to touch the rest of the disk except for recognition of any pre-existing "shared data" FAT 32 partitions. Be careful it doesn't try to format that or you'll hate it later almost as much as I do now. ;) Once finished with that "expert" install Mandrake as usual, avoiding the XP partitions except for providing mount point information; then install packages as desired. In my friend's situation he wanted XP to be default so that his wife and kids wouldn't freak when exposed to Mandrake. I walked him through editing lilo during a later call. I hope this is of some use. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." - Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Brian, I tried doing what u said, doing a clean installation of mandrake, but it still gave me the exact same error. Firstly, i used fdisk to delete all my partitions. I then tried to install m8.2. Can't. Then i thought maybe i should format the partitions, so i did using format from a bootable dos disk. Loaded in m8.2 setup and gave me the same error. I couldn't use auto allocate or wizard coz it doesn't solve it even. This is what i got just before i clicked "no" to enter into the place where i could create, resize, mount partitions.Choosing yes was not an option coz it gave me the same message so i had to choose no. "i can't read the partition table, it's too complicated fr me i can try to go on blanking bad partitions (all data will be lost) The other solution is to disallow DrakX to modify the partition table.(the error is ask_before_blanking:unknown partition table format.) Do you agree to loose all the partitions?" > > From: Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue 26/11/2002 8:2 PM GMT+08:00 > To: newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP > > OK - we are into trial and error territory! I've had some success with > this approach when all else fails: > > - boot the mandrake install CD > - take it as far as the partitioning > - tell diskdrake to delete all partitions > - create some FAT32 partitions for later use with XP plus the required > linux paritions > - either complete the linux install, then install XP, then boot the > install CD again and rewrite the boot loader, or exit the install, do XP > and come back to mandrake later. > > XP will install on partitions created by diskdrake (reformat them during > the XP install though). This may work around your problem, but I don't > pretend to understand what's going on. > > HTH > Brian > > On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 21:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi Brian, > >I partitioned into 2 partitions using XP for XP and left the 3rd partition >unnamed.(which is for mandrake). I tried formatting the first 2 partitions with NTFS >and FAT32. Still got the same problem when Mandrake setup couldn't seem to detect it >properly and gave me those error messages. > > That's all i guess. > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > The replies I've seen to this so far seem to have ignored the "unknown partition > > > table format" message. This would be a cause of concern to me. Sean, can you > > > tell us how you did the original partitioning? Did you start with a raw disk and > > > use XP to partition during the install, or did you use another tool, like > > > Partition Magic? > > > > > > If you don't mind reinstalling your XP system, I would suggest the following: > > > > > > - boot the XP install disk > > > - use the XP installer to delete all partitions > > > - create your 1st partition on which XP is to be installed using either > > > FAT32 or NTFS (I would choose FAT32 unless you feel the need for the > > > "extra security" > > > - create your 2nd partition as FAT32 so you can share data with linux > > > - leave the rest of the disk unpartitioned and do the XP install > > > - then install Mandrake, letting it handle it's partitioning > > > > > > HTH > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- > Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
OK - we are into trial and error territory! I've had some success with this approach when all else fails: - boot the mandrake install CD - take it as far as the partitioning - tell diskdrake to delete all partitions - create some FAT32 partitions for later use with XP plus the required linux paritions - either complete the linux install, then install XP, then boot the install CD again and rewrite the boot loader, or exit the install, do XP and come back to mandrake later. XP will install on partitions created by diskdrake (reformat them during the XP install though). This may work around your problem, but I don't pretend to understand what's going on. HTH Brian On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 21:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Brian, >I partitioned into 2 partitions using XP for XP and left the 3rd partition >unnamed.(which is for mandrake). I tried formatting the first 2 partitions with NTFS >and FAT32. Still got the same problem when Mandrake setup couldn't seem to detect it >properly and gave me those error messages. > That's all i guess. > > Sean > > > > > The replies I've seen to this so far seem to have ignored the "unknown partition > > table format" message. This would be a cause of concern to me. Sean, can you > > tell us how you did the original partitioning? Did you start with a raw disk and > > use XP to partition during the install, or did you use another tool, like > > Partition Magic? > > > > If you don't mind reinstalling your XP system, I would suggest the following: > > > > - boot the XP install disk > > - use the XP installer to delete all partitions > > - create your 1st partition on which XP is to be installed using either > > FAT32 or NTFS (I would choose FAT32 unless you feel the need for the > > "extra security" > > - create your 2nd partition as FAT32 so you can share data with linux > > - leave the rest of the disk unpartitioned and do the XP install > > - then install Mandrake, letting it handle it's partitioning > > > > HTH > > Brian > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Hi Brian, I partitioned into 2 partitions using XP for XP and left the 3rd partition unnamed.(which is for mandrake). I tried formatting the first 2 partitions with NTFS and FAT32. Still got the same problem when Mandrake setup couldn't seem to detect it properly and gave me those error messages. That's all i guess. Sean > The replies I've seen to this so far seem to have ignored the "unknown partition > table format" message. This would be a cause of concern to me. Sean, can you > tell us how you did the original partitioning? Did you start with a raw disk and > use XP to partition during the install, or did you use another tool, like > Partition Magic? > > If you don't mind reinstalling your XP system, I would suggest the following: > > - boot the XP install disk > - use the XP installer to delete all partitions > - create your 1st partition on which XP is to be installed using either > FAT32 or NTFS (I would choose FAT32 unless you feel the need for the > "extra security" > - create your 2nd partition as FAT32 so you can share data with linux > - leave the rest of the disk unpartitioned and do the XP install > - then install Mandrake, letting it handle it's partitioning > > HTH > Brian > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 12:11, Sean Goh wrote: > Hi, > Just to clarify, i want to install a dual boot system consisting of > WinXP and M8.2. I've already installed WinXP but i have trouble > installing M8.2 because of the problem stated earlier. Thanks for replying. > > Sean > > FemmeFatale wrote: > > > At 11:08 PM 11/25/2002 +0800, you wrote: > > > >> Hi there, > >> I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB > >> harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. > >> The rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS > >> filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came > >> in when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. > >> "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." > >> Anyone knows how to solve this problem? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sean > > The replies I've seen to this so far seem to have ignored the "unknown partition table format" message. This would be a cause of concern to me. Sean, can you tell us how you did the original partitioning? Did you start with a raw disk and use XP to partition during the install, or did you use another tool, like Partition Magic? If you don't mind reinstalling your XP system, I would suggest the following: - boot the XP install disk - use the XP installer to delete all partitions - create your 1st partition on which XP is to be installed using either FAT32 or NTFS (I would choose FAT32 unless you feel the need for the "extra security" - create your 2nd partition as FAT32 so you can share data with linux - leave the rest of the disk unpartitioned and do the XP install - then install Mandrake, letting it handle it's partitioning HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
Hi, Just to clarify, i want to install a dual boot system consisting of WinXP and M8.2. I've already installed WinXP but i have trouble installing M8.2 because of the problem stated earlier. Thanks for replying. Sean FemmeFatale wrote: At 11:08 PM 11/25/2002 +0800, you wrote: Hi there, I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. The rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came in when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." Anyone knows how to solve this problem? Regards, Sean Use the FDISK program on a boot floppy from M$hit and delete your NTFS partition. Now if you want to really feel like a geek, boot off the winX(tra)P(ain) CD & use its partitioning tool to delete the NTFS (Needlessly Trashing File System), then boot the MDK CD. Use its partitioning tool to make your partitions. Install & pray :) Should you fail to delete your partitions successfully re-reply to the list & I'm sure Stephen will help you (he's the most prolific poster today so I'm picking on him). --- Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
At 11:08 PM 11/25/2002 +0800, you wrote: Hi there, I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. The rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came in when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." Anyone knows how to solve this problem? Regards, Sean Use the FDISK program on a boot floppy from M$hit and delete your NTFS partition. Now if you want to really feel like a geek, boot off the winX(tra)P(ain) CD & use its partitioning tool to delete the NTFS (Needlessly Trashing File System), then boot the MDK CD. Use its partitioning tool to make your partitions. Install & pray :) Should you fail to delete your partitions successfully re-reply to the list & I'm sure Stephen will help you (he's the most prolific poster today so I'm picking on him). --- Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Monday 25 Nov 2002 5:51 pm, Barry Premeaux wrote: > On Monday 25 November 2002 07:08 am, you wrote: > > Hi there, > >I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB > > harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. The > > rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS > > filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came in > > when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. > > "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." > > Anyone knows how to solve this problem? > > > > Regards, > > Sean > > MD8.2 (nor any other Linux distrobution I am aware of) does not read NTFS. Not quite true, I think. Mandrake (and others, I think) can read ntfs without much problem, but it is inadvisable to attempt to write to a ntfs partition. Much work is being done on this, and it is hoped to have a safe write option soon, but it's better to play safe until then. > I'm not an XP expert, but I believe you can force it to install on a FAT32 > partition. If you only need to see personal files on the XP side, then > create a FAT32 partition to save them there. MD8.2 will be able to see it. > You may want to consider the first option if you want to take advantage of > the ttfs fonts that are in MS. > For dual boot systems it is definitely worth considering a fat32 partition for data. If MCC can't import your fonts from the ntfs partition (and I'm not sure that it can't) you could always copy them onto the fat32 partition and then point fontDrak to that directory Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] M8.2 with WinXP
On Monday 25 November 2002 07:08 am, you wrote: > Hi there, >I'm having problems installing M8.2 over WinXP. I have a 20GB > harddisk and i partitioned it into 3. C: takes 5GB and D: takes 7GB. The > rest i left it for Mandrake. After installing WinXP using NTFS > filesystem, i booted M8.2 and ran the setup program. The problem came in > when it couldn't detect the partitions or something. > "An error occured. Ask_before_blanking: unknown partition table format." > Anyone knows how to solve this problem? > > Regards, > Sean > MD8.2 (nor any other Linux distrobution I am aware of) does not read NTFS. I'm not an XP expert, but I believe you can force it to install on a FAT32 partition. If you only need to see personal files on the XP side, then create a FAT32 partition to save them there. MD8.2 will be able to see it. You may want to consider the first option if you want to take advantage of the ttfs fonts that are in MS. Barry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
