Re: [newbie] win4lin

2005-03-24 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Thursday 24 March 2005 15:32, Christophe wrote:
> Hello,
> Since I can not watch dvds on my laptop ( and I tried...) and I need
> Asymetrix Toolbook to create educational material.
> How can I install win 98 ( I have the cd for it) on my machine who is
> completely dedicated to MDK 10.1 community.
> I saw a win4lin kernel, what is the purpose of it?
> Is it easy to install windows under MDK when you have one 60 GB HD on a
> acer Aspire 1680 notebook?
> I'm sorry to do that but I have to work too :-D  ...from time to time!
> Thank you
> Christophe

Cristophe,
Take into account that: if MDK doesn't see your DVD drive then win4lin will 
not see it either!! 
Your best bet is to get your DVD working or...install Windows on it's own 
partition and double-boot.

Adding windows is no big deal except that it'll(windows)  want to use your 
first partitionwhich is prolly taken by Linux.

Tell us what's wrong with your DVD player i.e. exactly what you think is not 
working so we can help you fix it. AFAIK acers don't have very exotic 
DVD-players so we should get it working and that way it'll work on win4lin 
too. Saving you the new Windows install humbug:)
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Re: [newbie] win4lin

2005-03-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 14:32, Christophe wrote:
> Hello,
> Since I can not watch dvds on my laptop ( and I tried...) 

It certainly can be done.  Of course it depends whether you have the time to 
troubleshoot your problem.

> and I need 
> Asymetrix Toolbook to create educational material.

I don't know the program, so I don't know whether it can be run under wine 
(free).  Win4Lin will definitely run it if it runs under Win98.  Check out 
netraverse.com for more details.  You need the 5.1 version.

> How can I install win 98 ( I have the cd for it) on my machine who is
> completely dedicated to MDK 10.1 community.
> I saw a win4lin kernel, what is the purpose of it?
> Is it easy to install windows under MDK when you have one 60 GB HD on a
> acer Aspire 1680 notebook?

I'm about to do an install on my desktop machine.  The only problem I see is 
in matching the kernel you are running.  Downloading the Win4Lin installer 
will check whether your kernel is one that they directly support.  If it 
isn't you will have to look at other possibilities (that's what I have to do 
today).  Once you are over that hurdle, installing the windows distro is 
easy.  Configuration is easy enough if you read the docs.  It certainly makes 
life easier if you have apps you need - but it is not free, although I don't 
think it's extortionate, considering what software for windows normally 
costs.

> I'm sorry to do that but I have to work too :-D  ...from time to time!

No apology necessary - and I certainly know the feeling :-)

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Re: [newbie] Win4lin kernel

2004-04-16 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Friday 16 April 2004 01:49, Marc wrote:
>   It seems that in order to run win4lin I will have to install a
> win4lin enabled kernel. I found  
> kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM for i586 at mandrake
> cooker. If I run this rpm what will happen? Will my existing kernel
> be replaced or will the new kernel be added. Will I be able to boot
> from eather kernel?  

Assuming that it works like the ones available from Netraverse, it will 
add a kernel, and your existing one will remain available.  The 
required kernel version must be installed first, though.

> The discription of the
> kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM for i586 says that
> it requires  kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk.  I am running ML 10.0
> community download edition that first came out a month ago. I am
> running kernel 2.6.3-4mdk  if I update to the new 10.0 final that
> just came out will it have the i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk kernel allready
> installed?
>
> Sorry for asking so many questions in 1 message but upgrading
> kernels scares the hell outta me.
>
And rightly so, I think.  Don't upgrade kernels, just install another 
one.  Lilo will gain another stanza, and both versions will be 
available.  It's easy, and must be foolproof - I've never met any 
problems, and if there were any, I'd find them 

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Re: [newbie] Win4lin kernel

2004-04-15 Thread Greg Meyer
On Thursday 15 April 2004 08:49 pm, Marc wrote:
>   It seems that in order to run win4lin I will have to install a win4lin
> enabled kernel. I found   kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM
> for i586 at mandrake cooker. If I run this rpm what will happen? Will my
> existing kernel be replaced or will the new kernel be added. Will I be able
> to boot from eather kernel?  The discription of the
> kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM for i586 says that it
> requires  kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk.  I am running ML 10.0 community
> download edition that first came out a month ago. I am running kernel
> 2.6.3-4mdk  if I update to the new 10.0 final that just came out will it
> have the i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk kernel allready installed?
>
If you are currently running kernel 2.6.3-7mdk from community, there is a 
kernel-win4lin-2.6.3-7mdk that matches it in cooker contrib.   It uses the 
same modules that the main kernel uses, so it is a small download (about 
1.5MB), and it has menu icons and some other scripts to get it installed 
properly, so it is the best one to use.  I found it here:

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/contrib/i586/kernel-win4lin-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk.i586.rpm

For some reason, it never made it into contrib for 10.0 CE.  I'll email the 
maintainer tos find out why.  I also just noticed that this is the package 
you found, and yes it is the one to use.  make sure you match the pacake to 
your kernel, in other words the package you reference matches  
kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
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Re: [newbie] Win4lin kernel

2004-04-15 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 10:49, Marc wrote:
>   It seems that in order to run win4lin I will have to install a win4lin 
> enabled kernel. I found   kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM 
> for i586 at mandrake cooker. If I run this rpm what will happen? Will my 
> existing kernel be replaced or will the new kernel be added. Will I be able 
> to boot from eather kernel?  The discription of the 
> kernel-win4lin-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk-3-8mdk RPM for i586 says that it 
> requires  kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk.  I am running ML 10.0 community 
> download edition that first came out a month ago. I am running kernel 
> 2.6.3-4mdk  if I update to the new 10.0 final that just came out will it have 
> the i686-up-4GB-2.6.3.7mdk kernel allready installed?
> 
> Sorry for asking so many questions in 1 message but upgrading kernels 
> scares the hell outta me.
> 
> TIA
> Marc

It SHOULD just put another kernel in the /boot dir and add itself to
your lilo menu...(did it under 9.1 before and that's what it did)

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-16 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:27:13 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> So do I - it's the only win98 that I have ever had as a stable 
> install.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 2:05 am, Grant wrote:
> I've got to add that I use Win4Lin and I love it.
>
> - Grant
>
So do I - it's the only win98 that I have ever had as a stable 
install.

It does very much depend, though, on which windows version you want to 
run, what windows file system and what apps.  There is now partial 
support for DirectX, but not enough for the latest games, for 
instance.  There is a lot of info on the web, so as usual google is 
your friend.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Roland Hughes
It worked fine under windows but I want to get rid of that.
Roly

On Tuesday 15 July 2003 08:44 pm, aron smith wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 19:30, Roland Hughes wrote:
> > Has anyone managed to get "TaxCut" to work under wine? This would allow
> > me to get rid of my last windows partition.
> > Roly
>
> Hell I had enough trouble getting Tax Cut to work under Win98

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RE: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 11:27, Grant wrote:
> What is VPC?

VPC (Virtual PC) is a software program for Macintosh/Apple computers
that creates a "virtual pc" - an emulated x86 architecture - but with
Windows98 installed (although you can set it up to run almost anything
x86 based); it has been very popular in the corporate environment where
you had Macintosh machines that had to either run x86 compatible
software, or Windows based software.

VMWare is basically the same thing (and there are a few other x86
emulation packages out there - Bochs x86 is another) whereby you have an
emulated "virtual" computer in a window - and can install any OS you
desire within that emulated environment. Great for testing, or for
"sandboxing" - for security or application/network development.

I used to use VPC on my iBook (when I had an iBook) so that I could do
all my network administration tasks, along with run every bit of MS
software that I had to run; so the iBook became literally completely
cross-platform.

> 
> > > So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?
> > 
> > Basically. It can't run linux inside of windows like VPC can, and the
> > core code is different. AFAIK, It does the same thing. Correct me if I'm
> > wrong.
> > 
> > John Drouhard
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tue Jul 15 20:11:55 CDT 2003
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> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread aron smith
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 19:30, Roland Hughes wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get "TaxCut" to work under wine? This would allow me to 
> get rid of my last windows partition.
> Roly
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Roland Hughes
Has anyone managed to get "TaxCut" to work under wine? This would allow me to 
get rid of my last windows partition.
Roly

On Tuesday 15 July 2003 06:28 pm, Paul Kaplan wrote:
> I got wine to run Excel 97 & Word 97 (at least for what I was doing using
> the RPMs that came with Mandrake 9.0, but something got broken in LM9.1  I
> do use Crossover Office for several windows apps at work and it does an
> impressive job under 9.1.  Office XP apps are at least as fast as under
> W2K, and most features work.  AFAIK CX is basically an installer program
> under wine for windows apps that sets up a fakewindows (win98) directory to
> do so.  There are some gaps once you get away from the programs reported to
> work...Outlook XP is really buggy...Outlook 2K is workable as an e-mail
> client, but there's problems using some of the advanced features of MS
> Exchange...upgrading internet exploder 5.0 to 128 key encryption has been a
> no go...forget ms project or any other project management package.
>
> What are your requirements?
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday 15 July 2003 20:37, John Drouhard wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:46 -0500
> >
> > Harv Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> > >
> > > Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much
> > > the same thing?
> > >
> > > Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> > >
> > > Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give
> > > are much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Harv/AI9NL
> >
> > What exactly do you plan to be doing with windows programs? Games?
> > Office applications? With Win4Lin, you need a windows os cd, because you
> > actually install a windows system to your linux partition. You then run
> > "Windows" like a linux application, and the desktop, start menu, and
> > taskbar appears at the bottom. It does a nice job doing office
> > applications, but may be a little more than what you need.
> >
> > With Wine, you can run office apps from an existing windows partition,
> > or if that isn't there, you can just install the office app by issuing
> > the "wine" command. There is no installation of windows necessary.
> > Codeweavers has a product called Crossover Office that can run Adobe
> > Photoshop, MIcrosoft Office XP, Office 2000, and Office 97, Lotus Notes,
> > and some others. It's not quite as expensive as Win4Lin, and does its
> > job well. The best part is that it has a nice, easy to understand GUI to
> > install programs.
> >
> >
> > The free version of wine may have support for Microsoft
> > Office, but I'm not completely sure.
> >
> > HTH,
> > John Drouhard

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 09:51, Harv Nelson wrote:
> I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> 
> Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much 
> the same thing?
> 
> Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> 
> Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give 
> are much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Harv/AI9NL

Alot of this decision depends on what application(s) you're wanting to
run under linux; and you also need to find out if there is a suitable
replacement for what you're trying to accomplish.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Cody Harris
VPC stands for Virtual PC. You can run any OS in a window and run more then
on OS at once. Right now it's for Windows, Mac, And OS/2 only.

http://vectec.net/vpc2.png

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> What is VPC?
>
> > > So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?
> >
> > Basically. It can't run linux inside of windows like VPC can, and the
> > core code is different. AFAIK, It does the same thing. Correct me if I'm
> > wrong.
> >
> > John Drouhard
> >
> > -- 
> > Tue Jul 15 20:11:55 CDT 2003
> > -
> > They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux.
> > Registered Linux User # 315649
> > Registered Machine # 201001
> >
> >
>
>






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RE: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Grant
What is VPC?

> > So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?
> 
> Basically. It can't run linux inside of windows like VPC can, and the
> core code is different. AFAIK, It does the same thing. Correct me if I'm
> wrong.
> 
> John Drouhard
> 
> -- 
> Tue Jul 15 20:11:55 CDT 2003
> -
> They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux.
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> Registered Machine # 201001
> 
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Paul Kaplan
I got wine to run Excel 97 & Word 97 (at least for what I was doing using the 
RPMs that came with Mandrake 9.0, but something got broken in LM9.1  I do use 
Crossover Office for several windows apps at work and it does an impressive 
job under 9.1.  Office XP apps are at least as fast as under W2K, and most 
features work.  AFAIK CX is basically an installer program under wine for 
windows apps that sets up a fakewindows (win98) directory to do so.  There 
are some gaps once you get away from the programs reported to work...Outlook 
XP is really buggy...Outlook 2K is workable as an e-mail client, but there's 
problems using some of the advanced features of MS Exchange...upgrading 
internet exploder 5.0 to 128 key encryption has been a no go...forget ms 
project or any other project management package.

What are your requirements?
Paul


On Tuesday 15 July 2003 20:37, John Drouhard wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:46 -0500
>
> Harv Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> >
> > Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much
> > the same thing?
> >
> > Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> >
> > Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give
> > are much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Harv/AI9NL
>
> What exactly do you plan to be doing with windows programs? Games?
> Office applications? With Win4Lin, you need a windows os cd, because you
> actually install a windows system to your linux partition. You then run
> "Windows" like a linux application, and the desktop, start menu, and
> taskbar appears at the bottom. It does a nice job doing office
> applications, but may be a little more than what you need.
>
> With Wine, you can run office apps from an existing windows partition,
> or if that isn't there, you can just install the office app by issuing
> the "wine" command. There is no installation of windows necessary.
> Codeweavers has a product called Crossover Office that can run Adobe
> Photoshop, MIcrosoft Office XP, Office 2000, and Office 97, Lotus Notes,
> and some others. It's not quite as expensive as Win4Lin, and does its
> job well. The best part is that it has a nice, easy to understand GUI to
> install programs.
>
>
> The free version of wine may have support for Microsoft
> Office, but I'm not completely sure.
>
> HTH,
> John Drouhard


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 10:42, Cody Harris wrote:
> So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?

No. VMWare is like VPC; WINE and Win4Lin are "layers" that allow you to
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread John Drouhard
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:42:06 -0300
"Cody Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?

Basically. It can't run linux inside of windows like VPC can, and the
core code is different. AFAIK, It does the same thing. Correct me if I'm
wrong.

John Drouhard

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RE: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Grant

I've got to add that I use Win4Lin and I love it.

- Grant

> 
> > I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> > 
> > Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much 
> > the same thing?
> > 
> > Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> > 
> > Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give 
> > are much appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Harv/AI9NL
> 
> What exactly do you plan to be doing with windows programs? Games?
> Office applications? With Win4Lin, you need a windows os cd, because you
> actually install a windows system to your linux partition. You then run
> "Windows" like a linux application, and the desktop, start menu, and
> taskbar appears at the bottom. It does a nice job doing office
> applications, but may be a little more than what you need.
> 
> With Wine, you can run office apps from an existing windows partition,
> or if that isn't there, you can just install the office app by issuing
> the "wine" command. There is no installation of windows necessary.
> Codeweavers has a product called Crossover Office that can run Adobe
> Photoshop, MIcrosoft Office XP, Office 2000, and Office 97, Lotus Notes,
> and some others. It's not quite as expensive as Win4Lin, and does its
> job well. The best part is that it has a nice, easy to understand GUI to
> install programs.
> 
> 
> The free version of wine may have support for Microsoft
> Office, but I'm not completely sure.
> 
> HTH,
> John Drouhard
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread Cody Harris
So Win4Lin is like VPC for Win?
- Original Message - 
From: "John Drouhard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE


> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:46 -0500
> Harv Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> >
> > Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much
> > the same thing?
> >
> > Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> >
> > Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give
> > are much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Harv/AI9NL
>
> What exactly do you plan to be doing with windows programs? Games?
> Office applications? With Win4Lin, you need a windows os cd, because you
> actually install a windows system to your linux partition. You then run
> "Windows" like a linux application, and the desktop, start menu, and
> taskbar appears at the bottom. It does a nice job doing office
> applications, but may be a little more than what you need.
>
> With Wine, you can run office apps from an existing windows partition,
> or if that isn't there, you can just install the office app by issuing
> the "wine" command. There is no installation of windows necessary.
> Codeweavers has a product called Crossover Office that can run Adobe
> Photoshop, MIcrosoft Office XP, Office 2000, and Office 97, Lotus Notes,
> and some others. It's not quite as expensive as Win4Lin, and does its
> job well. The best part is that it has a nice, easy to understand GUI to
> install programs.
>
>
> The free version of wine may have support for Microsoft
> Office, but I'm not completely sure.
>
> HTH,
> John Drouhard
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs WINE

2003-07-15 Thread John Drouhard
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:46 -0500
Harv Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm one step closer to dumping the Windows box altogether.
> 
> Is there any advantage to "Win4Lin" over "WINE"?  Are they pretty much 
> the same thing?
> 
> Is there any advantage to using one over the other ... or both?
> 
> Any other cautions, caveats, evaluations, comments you'd care to give 
> are much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Harv/AI9NL

What exactly do you plan to be doing with windows programs? Games?
Office applications? With Win4Lin, you need a windows os cd, because you
actually install a windows system to your linux partition. You then run
"Windows" like a linux application, and the desktop, start menu, and
taskbar appears at the bottom. It does a nice job doing office
applications, but may be a little more than what you need.

With Wine, you can run office apps from an existing windows partition,
or if that isn't there, you can just install the office app by issuing
the "wine" command. There is no installation of windows necessary.
Codeweavers has a product called Crossover Office that can run Adobe
Photoshop, MIcrosoft Office XP, Office 2000, and Office 97, Lotus Notes,
and some others. It's not quite as expensive as Win4Lin, and does its
job well. The best part is that it has a nice, easy to understand GUI to
install programs.


The free version of wine may have support for Microsoft
Office, but I'm not completely sure.

HTH,
John Drouhard


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs. Wine vs. VMWare

2003-03-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 04:12, Greg Meyer wrote:

> In my mind, the most cost effective sure thing is Win4Lin, assuming one does 
> not have to run one of the NT flavors of Windows.  I believe that VMWare is 
> really aimed at the developer market so that applications can be easily 
> tested for compatibility on different Operating Systems.

I'd tend to say that for HOME users, Win4Lin might be an option worth
exploring - for me, however, especially being in the support/consulting
trade, I NEED to run VMWare as I support all OS's - so in working with
particular issues, or testing particular situations, it's better for me
to be able to actually run the REAL OS in a virtual machine - so cost is
made up by usage.

Rather nice to be able to run heaps of different OS's (or versions
thereof) - without rebooting. Running XP Pro in a 1280x1024 window
whilst running X in a 1600x1200 mode is really cool when people are
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs. Wine vs. VMWare

2003-03-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:58 am, Brian wrote:
> I guess I don't understand why you would choose one of these over the
> other.  I am familiar with VMWare, and that seems to make the most sense
> if you need to run a particular Windows (or other OS) application within
> Linux.  I know it is a virtual machine and will let you connect back to
> the primary host OS via the network and share ports.
>
> In the conversation about Win4Lin it sounded as if that worked in a very
> similar way.  I only know that Wine and Win4Lin are supposed to provide
> a way to run Windows applications within Linux, but I was wondering why
> you might choose one of these three particular products over another.
>
> I am probably going to invest in one of them (most likely VMWare) but i
> would like to understand the differences before I make a decision.
>
> Thanks,
> B

Wine is a compatibility layer that allows one to run Windows programs in 
Linux.  Wine is free software and is not 100% compatible or functional at 
this point.  In other words, try it, but YMMV.

Win4Lin is a set of extensions that allows Windows itself to run as a Linux 
process.  Because of the way it is architected, it can only run the 9x/ME 
versions of Windows.  Cost is $79/user and can run in both local and terminal 
server   It also requires a kernel patch that enables the service.  
Netraverse provides pre-compiled kernels for most distros though and installs 
them automatically.

VMWare creates a virtual machine that allows you to run any guest operating 
system in a host OS.  Can run pretty much any OS on Linux or Windows and 
costs about $300.  VMware requires a specialized kernel module, but I do not 
believe that the kernel itself needs to be patched.

In my mind, the most cost effective sure thing is Win4Lin, assuming one does 
not have to run one of the NT flavors of Windows.  I believe that VMWare is 
really aimed at the developer market so that applications can be easily 
tested for compatibility on different Operating Systems.


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin vs. Wine vs. VMWare

2003-03-13 Thread Preston-Campbell
On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:58 am, Brian wrote:
> I guess I don't understand why you would choose one of these over the
> other.  I am familiar with VMWare, and that seems to make the most sense
> if you need to run a particular Windows (or other OS) application within
> Linux.  I know it is a virtual machine and will let you connect back to
> the primary host OS via the network and share ports.
>
> In the conversation about Win4Lin it sounded as if that worked in a very
> similar way.  I only know that Wine and Win4Lin are supposed to provide
> a way to run Windows applications within Linux, but I was wondering why
> you might choose one of these three particular products over another.
>
> I am probably going to invest in one of them (most likely VMWare) but i
> would like to understand the differences before I make a decision.
>
> Thanks,
> B


My use:

Win4Lin on my desktop Mdk box for Photoshop, Illustrator, and any other 
'heavyweight' application that does not work under Wine.

Wine on my laptop for a few applications that I need in the field that work in 
Wine.  These are mostly proprietary video playback apps used in security 
installations.  I test them first, copy a few DLL's if needed and go.  I 
choose not to put Win4Lin on my laptop to keep booting and program loading 
times to a minimum.

I have no experience with VMWare but if I needed anything other than Win98 on 
my desktop machine I would try it.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:22 am, Miark wrote:
> Er... isn't that what I just said, Greg?
>
> Miark
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:20:58 -0500
>
> Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 March 2003 12:12 am, Miark wrote:
> > > It should be said that lack of USB is not a problem in the case of USB
> > > printers connected directly to the computer. _Linux_ sends Windows
> > > print data to the printer, and obviously Linux has no problem with USB.
> > >
> > > I have a USB printer that I use in Win4Lin and it works perfectly.
> >
> > Win4Lin is sending print output to the Linux printer that is attached to
> > the USB port.  Linux is handling the usb in your case, not Win4Lin.  You
> > cannot sync a palm Pilot via usb though.
> > --
> > Greg

My apologies, yes.  I was scanning and did not read it closely.  Please 
forgive me.
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Miark
Er... isn't that what I just said, Greg?

Miark



On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:20:58 -0500
Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 13 March 2003 12:12 am, Miark wrote:
> > It should be said that lack of USB is not a problem in the case of USB
> > printers connected directly to the computer. _Linux_ sends Windows print
> > data to the printer, and obviously Linux has no problem with USB.
> >
> > I have a USB printer that I use in Win4Lin and it works perfectly.
> >
> Win4Lin is sending print output to the Linux printer that is attached to the 
> USB port.  Linux is handling the usb in your case, not Win4Lin.  You cannot 
> sync a palm Pilot via usb though.
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> 
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Peter Pankonin
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 08:53 pm, Greg wrote:
> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas
> on it  I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and
> what limits it has   Thanks  Greg


Works great with Adobe Photoshop 6 and Illustrator 7 (haven't upgraded yet).

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Jerry Barton
I got it to work with a serial mouse, so the serial support works to that extent 
anyway. 

HTH

Jerry.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:01:02 +
Derek Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a setup utility which allows you to configure Com1, com2, printer, 
> and 'custom'  for Win4Lin although I have not tried using a serial port.
> 
> derek
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 4:22 am, Greg wrote:
> > I use a laptop to program hvacr controllers  The honeywell software will
> > only run on windows  I would have to have serial and pc card support Will
> > it work with those  And thanks to everyone for the info Greg
> > PS  You just have to love Linux and the people who use it
> >
> > Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I have it, and I use it for work. It doesn't run DirectX, and doesn't
> > > support USB. Other than that, it's excellent, and less expensive than
> > > VMWare.
> > >
> > >Miark
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:23 -0500
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg) wrote:
> > >> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some
> > >> ideas on it I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it
> > >> works and what limits it has
> 
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Greg Meyer
On Thursday 13 March 2003 12:12 am, Miark wrote:
> It should be said that lack of USB is not a problem in the case of USB
> printers connected directly to the computer. _Linux_ sends Windows print
> data to the printer, and obviously Linux has no problem with USB.
>
> I have a USB printer that I use in Win4Lin and it works perfectly.
>
Win4Lin is sending print output to the Linux printer that is attached to the 
USB port.  Linux is handling the usb in your case, not Win4Lin.  You cannot 
sync a palm Pilot via usb though.
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Derek Jennings
There is a setup utility which allows you to configure Com1, com2, printer, 
and 'custom'  for Win4Lin although I have not tried using a serial port.

derek



On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 4:22 am, Greg wrote:
> I use a laptop to program hvacr controllers  The honeywell software will
> only run on windows  I would have to have serial and pc card support Will
> it work with those  And thanks to everyone for the info Greg
> PS  You just have to love Linux and the people who use it
>
> Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have it, and I use it for work. It doesn't run DirectX, and doesn't
> > support USB. Other than that, it's excellent, and less expensive than
> > VMWare.
> >
> >Miark
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:23 -0500
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg) wrote:
> >> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some
> >> ideas on it I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it
> >> works and what limits it has

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-13 Thread Derek Jennings
On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 3:53 am, Greg wrote:
> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas
> on it  I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and
> what limits it has   Thanks  Greg

I use it for some lagacy apps with Win98.
It boots up faster than native Windows, and runs my apps perfectly.
No DirectX or OpenGL so gaming is not possible.
I found sharing the printer port with Linux a bit tricky to set up, so I just 
used Samba to network through Linux to the printer.

Documentation is excellent. Installation is real easy. You just download an 
installer, and it will install a patched Mandrake (standard) kernel for you, 
and walk you through Windows installation. If you use a non standard kernel, 
you have to apply the patch and rebuild it yourself.

There is a $20 discount on Win4Lin through MandrakeClub.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-12 Thread Miark
It should be said that lack of USB is not a problem in the case of USB
printers connected directly to the computer. _Linux_ sends Windows print
data to the printer, and obviously Linux has no problem with USB. 

I have a USB printer that I use in Win4Lin and it works perfectly.

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-12 Thread Greg
I use a laptop to program hvacr controllers  The honeywell software will only run on 
windows  I would have to have serial and pc card support Will it work with those  And 
thanks to everyone for the info
Greg
PS  You just have to love Linux and the people who use it  


Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have it, and I use it for work. It doesn't run DirectX, and doesn't support
>USB. Other than that, it's excellent, and less expensive than VMWare.
>
>Miark
>
>
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:23 -0500
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg) wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas on it 
>> I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and what limits 
>> it has   
>
>


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-12 Thread Miark
I have it, and I use it for work. It doesn't run DirectX, and doesn't support
USB. Other than that, it's excellent, and less expensive than VMWare.

Miark


On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:23 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg) wrote:

> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas on it 
> I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and what limits 
> it has   

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-12 Thread Preston-Campbell
I use Win4Lin every day, simply because I have to run some Windows programs 
for work -- mainly Photoshop and a few legacy apps that don't work with Wine.  
It is, in my opinion, an ideal solution in this case.  The only limitations I 
have experienced are its lack of USB support (in my case for a printer that I 
simply accessed as a network printer) and that it is limited to Win 9x.  I 
have to devote another machine for Win2K for the rare circumstance where 
Win98 won't do what I need but that is not often and your situation may 
differ.

Other than that, it is easy to install, crashes less than a 'normal' 
installation of Windows (read not at all, because it is running inside of 
Linux), and makes sharing files between partitions a breeze.  It is worth the 
$ I paid for it.  You could be giving that money to Microsoft instead -- 
think about it.

Brian

On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:53 pm, Greg wrote:
> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas
> on it  I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and
> what limits it has   Thanks  Greg


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2003-03-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:53 pm, Greg wrote:
> Hi everyone  Has anyone here used win4lin  I just wanted to get some ideas
> on it  I was thinking of buying it  Not really sure how good it works and
> what limits it has   Thanks  Greg

I use it with Windows98SE and find it to be an excelent product.  The 
technical support from Netraverse is outstanding, and the product works well 
for its intended use.  It will only run 9x/ME versions of Windows, has no 
DirectX support, acannot record audio and has no USB support (I think they 
are working on usb).  I don't need any of the things It cannot do.  I use it 
to run some professional Tax Return Preparation software that requires 
Windows, as well as occasionally needing a feature in MSOffice97 like using 
an Access database.
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2002-12-19 Thread jerry

- Original Message -
From: Smiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Win4Lin


> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:46:01 +
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > For normal every day apps it works great though.  I can run MS office,
> > > Realplayer, Quicktime, Photoshop, thing like that on it with no
problem.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > Just to add to the list -
> >
> > I run Lotus SmartSuite and PagePlus 8
>
> Does it works for Yahoo Messenger's voice chat?
>
> Smiley
>
>

Sorry to say, no it does not.





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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2002-12-18 Thread Richard
On Wednesday 18 Dec 2002 10:46 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 19 Dec 2002 7:51 am, Jerry wrote:
> > someone was suggesting win4lin to try to run a couple of programs..
> > counter strike and something else... (sorry lost the original mail)
> >
> > I own win4lin and I can tell you one thing...
> > if it required direct x it won't run on win4lin
> > some network programs won't run on it (ones that i've tried:  KaZaa,
> > WinMX, Cheetachat are a few that don't work) and anything that uses
> > msvbvm dll's won't run.
> > (not sure if the msvbvm problem is just on my machine, but i've never
> > gotten anything that uses msvb to work)
> >
> > For normal every day apps it works great though.  I can run MS office,
> > Realplayer, Quicktime, Photoshop, thing like that on it with no problem.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> Just to add to the list -
>
> I run Lotus SmartSuite and PagePlus 8
>
> Anne

Anyone know how Reference Manager or Endnote go with win4lin or wine? 
Otherwise can anyone recommend an established linux citation manager? 
Thanks in advance
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2002-12-18 Thread Smiley
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:46:01 +
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > For normal every day apps it works great though.  I can run MS office,
> > Realplayer, Quicktime, Photoshop, thing like that on it with no problem.
> >
> > Jerry
> Just to add to the list -
> 
> I run Lotus SmartSuite and PagePlus 8

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin

2002-12-18 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 19 Dec 2002 7:51 am, Jerry wrote:
>   someone was suggesting win4lin to try to run a couple of programs..
> counter strike and something else... (sorry lost the original mail)
>
> I own win4lin and I can tell you one thing...
> if it required direct x it won't run on win4lin
> some network programs won't run on it (ones that i've tried:  KaZaa,
> WinMX, Cheetachat are a few that don't work) and anything that uses
> msvbvm dll's won't run.
> (not sure if the msvbvm problem is just on my machine, but i've never
> gotten anything that uses msvb to work)
>
> For normal every day apps it works great though.  I can run MS office,
> Realplayer, Quicktime, Photoshop, thing like that on it with no problem.
>
> Jerry
Just to add to the list -

I run Lotus SmartSuite and PagePlus 8

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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

2002-03-20 Thread Kenn Yahoo

any idea when the power pack 8.2 will be ready to ship?


- Original Message -
From: "civileme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2


| Jim Dawson wrote:
|
| >WooHoo!
| >
| >Does anyone know if VMWare 3.0 works on '8.2 yet?
| >
| >-Original Message-
| >From: Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >To: Newbie at MDK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:01:13 -0700
| >Subject: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2
| >
| >Win4lin users:
| >
| >The 8.2 kernel/patches are now available
| >available via the installer. They'll also be
| >posted to their web site by tomorrow morning.
| >
| >Miark
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
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| VMWare 3.0 (trialware) is included in the powerpack...  And is probably
| accessible to club members now.
|
| Civileme
|
|
|
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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

2002-03-20 Thread civileme

Jim Dawson wrote:

>WooHoo!
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>Does anyone know if VMWare 3.0 works on '8.2 yet?
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>-Original Message-
>From: Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Newbie at MDK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:01:13 -0700
>Subject: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2
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>Win4lin users:
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>The 8.2 kernel/patches are now available
>available via the installer. They'll also be
>posted to their web site by tomorrow morning.
>
>Miark
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VMWare 3.0 (trialware) is included in the powerpack...  And is probably 
accessible to club members now.

Civileme






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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

2002-03-20 Thread Miark

Mandrake has evolved significantly since 6.1. It has more features,
greater performance, greater power, more support for hardware, and
more software. You would be wise to install 8.1. 

Of course, you would be even wiser (yes, sage-like) to try out
8.2 which was just released a couple of days ago. 

Miark



On 20 Mar 2002 14:08:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke thusly:

> what is the difference between mandrake 6.1 and 8.1 a friend 
> of mine has 6.1 he said i could use, is it worth running.



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RE: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

2002-03-20 Thread rjgdag

what is the difference between mandrake 6.1 and 8.1 a friend of mine has 6.1 he said i 
could use, is it worth running 


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Re: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

2002-03-20 Thread Jim Dawson

WooHoo!

Does anyone know if VMWare 3.0 works on '8.2 yet?

-Original Message-
From: Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Newbie at MDK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:01:13 -0700
Subject: [newbie] Win4Lin ready for 8.2

Win4lin users:

The 8.2 kernel/patches are now available
available via the installer. They'll also be
posted to their web site by tomorrow morning.

Miark







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Re: [newbie] win4lin

2001-12-02 Thread lee

I have the same setup here,and have seen this error. For what it's 
worth(which ain't much)..I suspect it has something to do with the kernal 
patch which must be downloaded from the win4lin site in order to work with 
8.1 a corrupted download perhaps. I'm using win4lin ver. 3.0 btw.

My personel fix for this was to uninstall win4lin and go again,I may have 
re-installed 8.1 as well somewhere down in the process but I'd suspect that 
the 8.1 install is probably ok.

Lee


> Hi,
> I've been installing Win4lin from the powerpack cd's. (I have LM 8.1)
> In second stage install , booting the win4lin kernel , the computer hangs,
> gives A kernel panic or reboot by itself at the end of A boot over and over
> again.
> I suspect it has something to do with the Ext3 filesystem I have.
> Could I be right here?
> Are there any win4lin users that have filesystems other than Ext2?
>
> Gerard




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Re: [newbie] win4lin

2001-07-31 Thread Paul Cox

On Wednesday, Jul 25, 2001, John Rigby wrote:

> This is not hidden somewhere in Powerpak 8 is it??

Nope, sorry... see www.netraverse.com.

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