[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
This thread started off on this tangent because I said that the Birmingham game gave me hope in direct response to Marcus's request for something from the last two months that gave me hope. I stand by that. You then claimed that the Birmingham game was a poor indicator because MM had gone back to his favourites. I still don't think that's true given the players that were swapped afterwards supposedly for the favourites - namely Edwards, Collins and Friend swapped for Foley, Jarvis and Berra. If they are better than their "favourite" replacements, then what you said about the Birmingham game is true - it is a poor indicator. However, from everyone I have spoken to, the match reports and player reports I've read I think the replacement players make a stronger side than the one that played Birmingham. You don't agree, then that's fine. I was loking for an explanation why you think those players are better than the favourites in the positions they played. 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT > Cross examination is an area of expertise. I don't think Marcus is > "turning to another line of argument" > This thread originated by a claim that the team that beat Birmingham City > in the cup gave optimism, and dismissed Birmingham and those behind them in > the table as "not worth worrying about" > > Team selection is not an area of expertise (by myself or MM) however if the > win against Brum was so awe inspiring, why dismiss those that played in that > game as serious contenders for selection. I watched the televised league > game against Brum when our regulars were overrun for much of the game. > > Saying one Cup win using players you are now debating as being inferior, > certainly does have an effect on credibility. > -- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:38 > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > You're suggesting selecting: > > Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the season and > almost always has a good game) > George Friend over Jarvis > Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's the most > hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather). > > PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good > explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go turning > to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly pinned down > here. Just explain why those three selections should be made. > > We await your insight. > > 2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry > >> If those players are the ones that got us the result why shouldn't they be >> selected ahead of the favourites or the players that make sense to you? The >> favourites have done f all to suggest they should retain their places. Put >> the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves. >> >> -- >> *From*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *Sent*: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009 >> >> *Subject*: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >> >> Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham >> match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than >> some of his "favourites"? >> >> Therefore you mean that we should play: >> >> Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back >> George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis >> Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence >> >> That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. >> >> Wayne Hennessey, >> Neill Collins, >> Dave Edwards, >> Richard Stearman, >> Michael Kightly, >> Karl Henry, >> Andy Keogh, >> Stephen Ward, >> David Jones, >> Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78), >> George Friend. >> >> >> >> 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT >> >>> We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He >>> went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I >>> don't think that game was a good indicator. >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Steven Millward >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 >>> *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where ar
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Friend and Edwards I'm happy with, but Collins should never lace his
boots for Wolves again (I've said enough in the past about how much I
love Collins).
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 2:41 PM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
It's OK. You can pick Friend, Edwards and Collins ahead of the other
three if you think that's what's best for the team.
I just wanted to clarify your thinking. Personally I wouldn't, but I
know where you stand on the team selection now.
2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry
My insight is pretty simple:
If that very team selection HAMMERED Brum previously, and Brum
are our nearest promotion threat (as quoted by you), then they are more
than capable of doing the same against all of the other lesser teams.
The current team selection certainly don't seem capable of doing that so
why should they remain in the team, with the exception of Berra who has
only played two games.
This is a results game and the team selection that you seem to
despise with such passion is the very same team that got the result and
gave you your great optimism by hammering Birmingham. Give me a reason
why they shouldn't play? Can't get any more simple than that Steve.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 1:38 PM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
You're suggesting selecting:
Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the
season and almost always has a good game)
George Friend over Jarvis
Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's
the most hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather).
PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good
explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go
turning to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly
pinned down here. Just explain why those three selections should be
made.
We await your insight.
2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry
If those players are the ones that got us the result why
shouldn't they be selected ahead of the favourites or the players that
make sense to you? The favourites have done f all to suggest they should
retain their places. Put the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played
that Birmingham match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this
team rather than some of his "favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right
back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his
"favourite" Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central
defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to
MM's favoured eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the
results speak for themselves. I don't think that game was a good
indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
It's OK. You can pick Friend, Edwards and Collins ahead of the other three if you think that's what's best for the team. I just wanted to clarify your thinking. Personally I wouldn't, but I know where you stand on the team selection now. 2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry > My insight is pretty simple: > > If that very team selection HAMMERED Brum previously, and Brum are our > nearest promotion threat (as quoted by you), then they are more than capable > of doing the same against all of the other lesser teams. The current team > selection certainly don't seem capable of doing that so why should they > remain in the team, with the exception of Berra who has only played two > games. > > This is a results game and the team selection that you seem to despise with > such passion is the very same team that got the result and gave you your > great optimism by hammering Birmingham. Give me a reason why they shouldn't > play? Can't get any more simple than that Steve. > > -- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 February 2009 1:38 PM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > You're suggesting selecting: > > Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the season and > almost always has a good game) > George Friend over Jarvis > Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's the most > hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather). > > PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good > explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go turning > to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly pinned down > here. Just explain why those three selections should be made. > > We await your insight. > > 2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry > >> If those players are the ones that got us the result why shouldn't they be >> selected ahead of the favourites or the players that make sense to you? The >> favourites have done f all to suggest they should retain their places. Put >> the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves. >> >> -- >> *From*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *Sent*: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009 >> >> *Subject*: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >> >> Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham >> match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than >> some of his "favourites"? >> >> Therefore you mean that we should play: >> >> Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back >> George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis >> Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence >> >> That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. >> >> Wayne Hennessey, >> Neill Collins, >> Dave Edwards, >> Richard Stearman, >> Michael Kightly, >> Karl Henry, >> Andy Keogh, >> Stephen Ward, >> David Jones, >> Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78), >> George Friend. >> >> >> >> 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT >> >>> We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He >>> went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I >>> don't think that game was a good indicator. >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Steven Millward >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 >>> *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >>> >>> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >>> our way to improving our current predicament? >>> >>> *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their >>> own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only >>> competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.* >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry >>> >>>> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >>>> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >>>> expect their form to stay bad." >>>> >>>> When w
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Cross examination is an area of expertise. I don't think Marcus is
"turning to another line of argument"
This thread originated by a claim that the team that beat Birmingham
City in the cup gave optimism, and dismissed Birmingham and those behind
them in the table as "not worth worrying about"
Team selection is not an area of expertise (by myself or MM) however if
the win against Brum was so awe inspiring, why dismiss those that played
in that game as serious contenders for selection. I watched the
televised league game against Brum when our regulars were overrun for
much of the game.
Saying one Cup win using players you are now debating as being inferior,
certainly does have an effect on credibility.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:38
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
You're suggesting selecting:
Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the season
and almost always has a good game)
George Friend over Jarvis
Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's the
most hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather).
PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good
explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go
turning to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly
pinned down here. Just explain why those three selections should be
made.
We await your insight.
2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry
If those players are the ones that got us the result why
shouldn't they be selected ahead of the favourites or the players that
make sense to you? The favourites have done f all to suggest they should
retain their places. Put the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that
Birmingham match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team
rather than some of his "favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite"
Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's
favoured eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the results
speak for themselves. I don't think that game was a good indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to
suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the
cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are
our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
"This brings me back to my original point. When
Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves
are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad."
When we were playing well I don't recall saying
anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do
remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our
current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points.
Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability
to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were
showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of
bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our l
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
My insight is pretty simple:
If that very team selection HAMMERED Brum previously, and Brum are our
nearest promotion threat (as quoted by you), then they are more than
capable of doing the same against all of the other lesser teams. The
current team selection certainly don't seem capable of doing that so why
should they remain in the team, with the exception of Berra who has only
played two games.
This is a results game and the team selection that you seem to despise
with such passion is the very same team that got the result and gave you
your great optimism by hammering Birmingham. Give me a reason why they
shouldn't play? Can't get any more simple than that Steve.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 1:38 PM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
You're suggesting selecting:
Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the season
and almost always has a good game)
George Friend over Jarvis
Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's the
most hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather).
PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good
explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go
turning to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly
pinned down here. Just explain why those three selections should be
made.
We await your insight.
2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry
If those players are the ones that got us the result why
shouldn't they be selected ahead of the favourites or the players that
make sense to you? The favourites have done f all to suggest they should
retain their places. Put the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that
Birmingham match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team
rather than some of his "favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite"
Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's
favoured eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the results
speak for themselves. I don't think that game was a good indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to
suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the
cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are
our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
"This brings me back to my original point. When
Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves
are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad."
When we were playing well I don't recall saying
anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do
remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our
current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points.
Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability
to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were
showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of
bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our
form to im
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
You're suggesting selecting: Dave Edwards over Foley (who is thought to be the player of the season and almost always has a good game) George Friend over Jarvis Collins over Berra (and you've slagged off Collins before. He's the most hated player amongst Wolves fans from what I gather). PLEASE! Explain the logic of those choices. I hope it's a good explanation because your credibility is on the line. And don't go turning to another line of argument because I've got you well and truly pinned down here. Just explain why those three selections should be made. We await your insight. 2009/2/18 Marcus Chantry > If those players are the ones that got us the result why shouldn't they be > selected ahead of the favourites or the players that make sense to you? The > favourites have done f all to suggest they should retain their places. Put > the lads in who are hungry to prove themselves. > > -- > *From*: nswolves@googlegroups.com > *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Sent*: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009 > > *Subject*: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham > match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than > some of his "favourites"? > > Therefore you mean that we should play: > > Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back > George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis > Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence > > That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Wayne Hennessey, > Neill Collins, > Dave Edwards, > Richard Stearman, > Michael Kightly, > Karl Henry, > Andy Keogh, > Stephen Ward, > David Jones, > Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78), > George Friend. > > > > 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT > >> We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He >> went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I >> don't think that game was a good indicator. >> >> ------------------ >> *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Steven Millward >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 >> *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >> >> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >> our way to improving our current predicament? >> >> *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own >> back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition >> for second spot then I'm not too worried.* >> >> >> 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry >> >>> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >>> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >>> expect their form to stay bad." >>> >>> When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest >>> that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however >>> that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we >>> played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done >>> stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of >>> promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance >>> or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I >>> would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the >>> reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly >>> clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. >>> >>> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >>> our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone >>> reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? >>> >>> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not >>> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this >>> email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee >>> the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions >>> expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of >>> Macquarie. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Fair enough Paul, but aren't you forgetting one little thing... all of the chasing teams have games in hand over us so whilst we are 3 points ahead, it has the potential to be false security as we an be caught by other teams and overtaken by one of them (Reading) . From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 11:56 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] As Paul states below, not only if we keep clean sheets, we may win some games, but more importantly, we won't lose any or at least scrape a draw. Defence is our key. We were 6 points clear before our poor run of form. We are still now 3 points clear. So whilst we've had a bad run, no one has come up and overtaken us. No one has taken the comp by the scruff of the neck. So Brum and Reading in reality are struggling just as much as we are, and rueing points dropped when they could have jumped over us. We'll turn it around. We have the quality and have proven that through the season. We are not first through luck - remember that. There has to have been an element of something good to get us where we are now, and I'm quietly confident that it will come back to us over the next weeks. So long as the boo boys keep it positive at the ground, and don't hound the players, then the team will gain in confidence and go on another run towards the end of the season. From: pcr...@contechengineering.com To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:13:51 +1100 Marcus, my personal opinion is that we have 2 x good reasons to remain positive about our current plight, they are: 1. Albeit for the Burnley game we are regularly scoring 2 or 3 goals a game. Granted our general play has been dismal, exceedingly so at times if you are to believe all the reports on the Internet, E&S newspaper and feedback from family / friends back in Wolverhampton / West Midlands. However, the fact remains we are still scoring goals and creating chances, when playing badly. 2. Berra will help tighten up our defence and prevent us from conceding as many goals as we have been in the last 10 games or so. I defy anyone to say Berra is not an improvement on Collins? If we can keep some clean sheets then we will win some games. If I was MM this would be my perogative at the moment. This may mean a less attacking formation, which has been hinted at in the press this week, and a "defence win at all costs approach" for a while. If this is needed to bail out the sinking ship then so be it, we can return to the attacking wing play formation when the ship has been righted. Another reason is, if we played so well at the start of the season with the same squad of player's, why can't we do it again? Especially as the pitches / weather conditions will be improving in the next couple of months. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 5:11 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. Enter today! Win a Hotmail
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
As Paul states below, not only if we keep clean sheets, we may win some games, but more importantly, we won't lose any or at least scrape a draw. Defence is our key. We were 6 points clear before our poor run of form. We are still now 3 points clear. So whilst we've had a bad run, no one has come up and overtaken us. No one has taken the comp by the scruff of the neck. So Brum and Reading in reality are struggling just as much as we are, and rueing points dropped when they could have jumped over us. We'll turn it around. We have the quality and have proven that through the season. We are not first through luck - remember that. There has to have been an element of something good to get us where we are now, and I'm quietly confident that it will come back to us over the next weeks. So long as the boo boys keep it positive at the ground, and don't hound the players, then the team will gain in confidence and go on another run towards the end of the season. From: pcr...@contechengineering.com To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:13:51 +1100 Marcus, my personal opinion is that we have 2 x good reasons to remain positive about our current plight, they are: Albeit for the Burnley game we are regularly scoring 2 or 3 goals a game. Granted our general play has been dismal, exceedingly so at times if you are to believe all the reports on the Internet, E&S newspaper and feedback from family / friends back in Wolverhampton / West Midlands. However, the fact remains we are still scoring goals and creating chances, when playing badly. Berra will help tighten up our defence and prevent us from conceding as many goals as we have been in the last 10 games or so. I defy anyone to say Berra is not an improvement on Collins? If we can keep some clean sheets then we will win some games. If I was MM this would be my perogative at the moment. This may mean a less attacking formation, which has been hinted at in the press this week, and a “defence win at all costs approach” for a while. If this is needed to bail out the sinking ship then so be it, we can return to the attacking wing play formation when the ship has been righted. Another reason is, if we played so well at the start of the season with the same squad of player’s, why can’t we do it again? Especially as the pitches / weather conditions will be improving in the next couple of months. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 5:11 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. _ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
OK, so if they proved themselves, why not pick them That's MM's
problem, no matter what certain players do, he does not play them.
Back to your original pointthe good performance you alluded to, was
achieved by different players to those that are plodding at the
momentThat result gives me very little confidence, although I was
surprised by it
QUOTE Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in
their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only
competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
They are not our only competition for second spot anymore, enter Cardiff
and god knows whoever else can reel us in.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 09:15
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
But you said that he went back to his favourites (which can only mean
Foley and Jarvis) and "the results speak for themselves" What else
could you have meant?
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
I'm not suggesting anything of the kind, it was you who referred
to this result as a positive in this very negative period, yet the team
that played so positively wasn't our regular team.
His selections amaze me sometimes.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 08:54
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that
Birmingham match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team
rather than some of his "favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite"
Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's
favoured eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the results
speak for themselves. I don't think that game was a good indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to
suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the
cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are
our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
"This brings me back to my original point. When
Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves
are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad."
When we were playing well I don't recall saying
anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do
remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our
current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points.
Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability
to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were
showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of
bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our
form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet
commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like
reversing our poor form.
Have you seen anything in the last month/2
months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current
predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form
to do anything other than stay bad?
The informat
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
But you said that he went back to his favourites (which can only mean Foley and Jarvis) and "the results speak for themselves" What else could you have meant? 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT > I'm not suggesting anything of the kind, it was you who referred to this > result as a positive in this very negative period, yet the team that played > so positively wasn't our regular team. > His selections amaze me sometimes. > > -- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 February 2009 08:54 > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham > match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than > some of his "favourites"? > > Therefore you mean that we should play: > > Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back > George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis > Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence > > That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Wayne Hennessey, > Neill Collins, > Dave Edwards, > Richard Stearman, > Michael Kightly, > Karl Henry, > Andy Keogh, > Stephen Ward, > David Jones, > Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78), > George Friend. > > > > 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT > >> We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He >> went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I >> don't think that game was a good indicator. >> >> ------------------ >> *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Steven Millward >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 >> *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >> >> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >> our way to improving our current predicament? >> >> *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own >> back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition >> for second spot then I'm not too worried.* >> >> >> 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry >> >>> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >>> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >>> expect their form to stay bad." >>> >>> When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest >>> that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however >>> that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we >>> played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done >>> stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of >>> promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance >>> or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I >>> would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the >>> reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly >>> clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. >>> >>> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >>> our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone >>> reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? >>> >>> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not >>> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this >>> email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee >>> the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions >>> expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of >>> Macquarie. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
If those players are the ones that got us the result why shouldn't they be
selected ahead of the favourites or the players that make sense to you? The
favourites have done f all to suggest they should retain their places. Put the
lads in who are hungry to prove themselves.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed Feb 18 09:54:15 2009
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham match. So
you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than some of his
"favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He
went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I
don't think that game was a good indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on
our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their
own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition
for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
"This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are
playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad
you expect their form to stay bad."
When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to
suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying
however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form
where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we
have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of
promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or
we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would
expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the
highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not
even look like reversing our poor form.
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we
are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone
reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad?
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[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
I'm not suggesting anything of the kind, it was you who referred to this
result as a positive in this very negative period, yet the team that
played so positively wasn't our regular team.
His selections amaze me sometimes.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 08:54
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham
match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather
than some of his "favourites"?
Therefore you mean that we should play:
Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back
George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis
Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Wayne Hennessey,
Neill Collins,
Dave Edwards,
Richard Stearman,
Michael Kightly,
Karl Henry,
Andy Keogh,
Stephen Ward,
David Jones,
Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78),
George Friend.
2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT
We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured
eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the results speak
for themselves. I don't think that game was a good indicator.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we
are on our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in
their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only
competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
"This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves
are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are
playing bad you expect their form to stay bad."
When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything
to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember
saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current
poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since
that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to
improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were
showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of
bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our
form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet
commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like
reversing our poor form.
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to
suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not,
how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other
than stay bad?
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[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Interesting point Lee. This is the team that played that Birmingham match. So you are suggesting that Mick should play this team rather than some of his "favourites"? Therefore you mean that we should play: Dave Edwards instead of his "favourite" Foley at right back George Friend on the left wing rather than his "favourite" Jarvis Collins instead of his "new favourite" Berra in central defence That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wayne Hennessey, Neill Collins, Dave Edwards, Richard Stearman, Michael Kightly, Karl Henry, Andy Keogh, Stephen Ward, David Jones, Sam Vokes (Chris Iwelumo 78), George Friend. 2009/2/18 Morris, Lee SGT > We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He > went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I > don't think that game was a good indicator. > > -- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on > our way to improving our current predicament? > > *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own > back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition > for second spot then I'm not too worried.* > > > 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > >> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >> expect their form to stay bad." >> >> When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest >> that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however >> that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we >> played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done >> stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of >> promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance >> or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I >> would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the >> reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly >> clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. >> >> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >> our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone >> reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? >> >> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not >> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this >> email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee >> the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions >> expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of >> Macquarie. >> >> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Poor Miserable Dave, I know how it feels to be misunderstood ;-)
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Millward
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:11 AM
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Miserable Dave
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1142002/THE-MIDLANDER
-Why-league-makes-Wolves-fans-miserable.html?ITO=1490>
2009/2/17 Steven Millward
MC: You really think a carling cup match against an
under-strength blues side is reason to think we're going to get promoted
ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel.
It was the FA Cup and it was more or less the same side that
they had played in the previous few league games. The match reports are
on the Birmingham website and they list the players.
Since your statement is so sparsely furnished with facts, yes I
do still think we will get promoted ahead of them. "Scraping the
barrel" is making up that it was a different competition and an under
strength side because you can't bear to be shown to be wrong.
Your original question:
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we
are on our way to improving our current predicament?
I stand by my Birmingham example. If you want more evidence I
attach a match report from our 3-1 win over Watford, only 18 days ago.
Here is a link if you want to read some other views from people
that went to the match
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=35795&highlight=watford
Fantastic, good solid performance and three points in the bag
and Reading only get a draw!!
Hennessey - 7 - Made some fine saves especially in the first
half to keep us ahead before half time. Thought their goal was a bit
soft but looked off-side?
Foley - 8 - Another consistant performance by Foley, back to his
dominant self assurance on the ball
Stearman - 9 - Excellant combatative performance by Stears, won
countless headers put in strong tackles and teamed up well with Craddock
considering this was their first game together for almost the whole
season
Craddock - 7 - Solid display from Jody, whose name was sung out
many times. Solid in the tackle, solid in the air and calm on the ball.
Has a calming effect on Henessey too as he talks to and helps the
defence.
Ward - 7 - Good game from Wardy always up for the challenge,
never gives in and plays his heart out for the shirt. Linked up well
with Reid too.
Kightly - 7 - Looked to be more up for this game than those of
late. Good cross for our second goal and always looked lively. Did not
take his man on as much as I would have liked but played his part
Henry - 7 - Solid performance in the middle of the park winning
balls and generally breaking up play
Jones - 7 - Much better performance from Jones. Another who
seemed more up for it than of late. Good performance tackling passing
and general effort
Reid - 7 - Again he played well, that is twice I have seen him
in our colours and twice he has played well. Always full of running and
a constant pain for their defence to deal with
Keogh - 6 - Tireless running by Keogh and a great break, so
pleased he got a goal and a good one at that. He does get bumped off the
ball a bit too easily and seemed to pull out of a few challenges early
on.
SEB - 9 - MOTM - Fantastic performance by SEB. He never stopped
working from the moment we started until he was subbed late in the game.
Held the ball up well, the ball seemed to stick to him no matter how
hard it was hit at him.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
You're having a laugh! You really think a carling cup
match against an under-strength blues side is reason to think we're
going to get promoted ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel.
From: nswolves@googlegroups.com
To: nswolves@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue Feb 17 21:00:38 2009
Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
[sec=unclassified]
Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to
suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament?
Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the
cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are
our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.
2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry
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We hammered Brum with a team very different to MM's favoured eleven. He went straight back to his favourites and the results speak for themselves. I don't think that game was a good indicator. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:01 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried. 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Miserable Dave<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1142002/THE-MIDLANDER-Why-league-makes-Wolves-fans-miserable.html?ITO=1490> 2009/2/17 Steven Millward > MC: You really think a carling cup match against an under-strength blues > side is reason to think we're going to get promoted ahead of them. That's > scraping the barrel. > > It was the FA Cup and it was more or less the same side that they had > played in the previous few league games. The match reports are on the > Birmingham website and they list the players. > > Since your statement is so sparsely furnished with facts, yes I do still > think we will get promoted ahead of them. "Scraping the barrel" is making > up that it was a different competition and an under strength side because > you can't bear to be shown to be wrong. > > Your original question: > > Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our > way to improving our current predicament? > > I stand by my Birmingham example. If you want more evidence I attach a > match report from our 3-1 win over Watford, only *18 days ago*. > > Here is a link if you want to read some other views from people that went > to the match > http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=35795&highlight=watford > > *Fantastic, good solid performance and three points in the bag and Reading > only get a draw!! > > * Hennessey - *7* - Made some fine saves especially in the first half to > keep us ahead before half time. Thought their goal was a bit soft but looked > off-side? > > Foley - *8* - Another consistant performance by Foley, back to his > dominant self assurance on the ball > > Stearman - *9* - Excellant combatative performance by Stears, won > countless headers put in strong tackles and teamed up well with Craddock > considering this was their first game together for almost the whole season > > Craddock - *7* - Solid display from Jody, whose name was sung out many > times. Solid in the tackle, solid in the air and calm on the ball. Has a > calming effect on Henessey too as he talks to and helps the defence. > > Ward - *7* - Good game from Wardy always up for the challenge, never gives > in and plays his heart out for the shirt. Linked up well with Reid too. > > Kightly - *7* - Looked to be more up for this game than those of late. > Good cross for our second goal and always looked lively. Did not take his > man on as much as I would have liked but played his part > > Henry - *7* - Solid performance in the middle of the park winning balls > and generally breaking up play > > Jones - *7* - Much better performance from Jones. Another who seemed more > up for it than of late. Good performance tackling passing and general effort > > Reid - *7 - *Again he played well, that is twice I have seen him in our > colours and twice he has played well. Always full of running and a constant > pain for their defence to deal with > > Keogh - *6 -* Tireless running by Keogh and a great break, so pleased he > got a goal and a good one at that. He does get bumped off the ball a bit too > easily and seemed to pull out of a few challenges early on. > > SEB - *9* - *MOTM* - Fantastic performance by SEB. He never stopped > working from the moment we started until he was subbed late in the game. > Held the ball up well, the ball seemed to stick to him no matter how hard it > was hit at him. > * > > * > > 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > >> You're having a laugh! You really think a carling cup match against an >> under-strength blues side is reason to think we're going to get promoted >> ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel. >> >> -- >> *From*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com >> *Sent*: Tue Feb 17 21:00:38 2009 >> *Subject*: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] >> Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on >> our way to improving our current predicament? >> >> *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own >> back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition >> for second spot then I'm not too worried.* >> >> >> 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry >> >>> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >>> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >>> expect their form to stay bad." >>> >>> When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest >>> that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying
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MC: You really think a carling cup match against an under-strength blues side is reason to think we're going to get promoted ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel. It was the FA Cup and it was more or less the same side that they had played in the previous few league games. The match reports are on the Birmingham website and they list the players. Since your statement is so sparsely furnished with facts, yes I do still think we will get promoted ahead of them. "Scraping the barrel" is making up that it was a different competition and an under strength side because you can't bear to be shown to be wrong. Your original question: Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? I stand by my Birmingham example. If you want more evidence I attach a match report from our 3-1 win over Watford, only *18 days ago*. Here is a link if you want to read some other views from people that went to the match http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=35795&highlight=watford *Fantastic, good solid performance and three points in the bag and Reading only get a draw!! * Hennessey - *7* - Made some fine saves especially in the first half to keep us ahead before half time. Thought their goal was a bit soft but looked off-side? Foley - *8* - Another consistant performance by Foley, back to his dominant self assurance on the ball Stearman - *9* - Excellant combatative performance by Stears, won countless headers put in strong tackles and teamed up well with Craddock considering this was their first game together for almost the whole season Craddock - *7* - Solid display from Jody, whose name was sung out many times. Solid in the tackle, solid in the air and calm on the ball. Has a calming effect on Henessey too as he talks to and helps the defence. Ward - *7* - Good game from Wardy always up for the challenge, never gives in and plays his heart out for the shirt. Linked up well with Reid too. Kightly - *7* - Looked to be more up for this game than those of late. Good cross for our second goal and always looked lively. Did not take his man on as much as I would have liked but played his part Henry - *7* - Solid performance in the middle of the park winning balls and generally breaking up play Jones - *7* - Much better performance from Jones. Another who seemed more up for it than of late. Good performance tackling passing and general effort Reid - *7 - *Again he played well, that is twice I have seen him in our colours and twice he has played well. Always full of running and a constant pain for their defence to deal with Keogh - *6 -* Tireless running by Keogh and a great break, so pleased he got a goal and a good one at that. He does get bumped off the ball a bit too easily and seemed to pull out of a few challenges early on. SEB - *9* - *MOTM* - Fantastic performance by SEB. He never stopped working from the moment we started until he was subbed late in the game. Held the ball up well, the ball seemed to stick to him no matter how hard it was hit at him.* * 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > You're having a laugh! You really think a carling cup match against an > under-strength blues side is reason to think we're going to get promoted > ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel. > > -- > *From*: nswolves@googlegroups.com > *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Sent*: Tue Feb 17 21:00:38 2009 > *Subject*: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our > way to improving our current predicament? > > *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own > back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition > for second spot then I'm not too worried.* > > > 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > >> "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing >> well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you >> expect their form to stay bad." >> >> When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest >> that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however >> that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we >> played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done >> stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of >> promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance >> or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I >> would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the >> reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly >> clear that we do not even
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You're having a laugh! You really think a carling cup match against an under-strength blues side is reason to think we're going to get promoted ahead of them. That's scraping the barrel. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue Feb 17 21:00:38 2009 Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried. 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? *Yes, we hammered our promotion rivals Birmingham in the cup in their own back yard. That was about a month ago. If they are our only competition for second spot then I'm not too worried.* 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, > you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect > their form to stay bad." > > When we *were* playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that > I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that > there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we > played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done > stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of > promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance > or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I > would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the > reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly > clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. > > Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our > way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably > expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? > > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee > the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions > expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of > Macquarie. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Marcus, my personal opinion is that we have 2 x good reasons to remain positive about our current plight, they are: 1. Albeit for the Burnley game we are regularly scoring 2 or 3 goals a game. Granted our general play has been dismal, exceedingly so at times if you are to believe all the reports on the Internet, E&S newspaper and feedback from family / friends back in Wolverhampton / West Midlands. However, the fact remains we are still scoring goals and creating chances, when playing badly. 2. Berra will help tighten up our defence and prevent us from conceding as many goals as we have been in the last 10 games or so. I defy anyone to say Berra is not an improvement on Collins? If we can keep some clean sheets then we will win some games. If I was MM this would be my perogative at the moment. This may mean a less attacking formation, which has been hinted at in the press this week, and a "defence win at all costs approach" for a while. If this is needed to bail out the sinking ship then so be it, we can return to the attacking wing play formation when the ship has been righted. Another reason is, if we played so well at the start of the season with the same squad of player's, why can't we do it again? Especially as the pitches / weather conditions will be improving in the next couple of months. _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 5:11 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] "This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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"This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad." When we were playing well I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I expected our form to suddenly turn bad. I do remember saying however that there were numerous games leading up to our current poor form where we played badly but still managed to get points. Since that point we have done stuff all to show that we have the ability to improve our chances of promotion (SEB's hattrick aside). If we were showing glimpses of brilliance or we were continually loosing because of bad luck/ bad decisions then I would expect our luck to change and our form to improve. But all of the reports, the highlights, the internet commentary all make it abundantly clear that we do not even look like reversing our poor form. Have you seen anything in the last month/2 months to suggest we are on our way to improving our current predicament? If not, how can anyone reasonably expect our current form to do anything other than stay bad? The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Time for optimism as I can't countenance the alternative. We are still top of the league with 13 games to go and I'm sticking to my prediction of 92 points. How we have managed to stay in this positon playing absolute s***e for months amazes me? Just shows how ordinary the other competiton is. Why can't we turn things around now? 29 points from a possible 39? Very achievable on early season form, nigh on impossible based on current form. The rot will stop this weekend and I wouldn't be surprised to see a central midfielder arrive on loan soon. Everyone's view or prediction on here could be right, that's the beauty of following the Wolves all these years. As we all know you can never predict what they are going to do next!! _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! _ From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. Ho
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Specious reasoning. Wolves are top of the table on both points scored and points per game. It's a FACT. I am happy to stick with points per game if you prefer. Based on the whole season, we are the best team. At the end of the season, the team with the most points per game will win the league. People have only ever quoted where we will be at the end of the season. I can't recall anyone picking "current form" after a seven win streak and saying if we win all our games we'll have 130 points etc. (except maybe Elliot's dad). The predictions that were being made were projections based on games played so far. Can you suggest an alternative method? We are on track for 87 points, which given the fall off in our competitors performance would most likely be enough to win the league You descibe "current form" as average points per game. Over what period is that to be defined? It seems that it's defined as the period covering the games we have recently lost. It therefore serves your point. That's fine if you are certain that current form will be maintained to the end of the season but for the same reason that nobody made a forecast based on current form comprising the seven game winning streak, thre's no reason to think our form won't improve. This brings me back to my original point. When Wolves are playing well, you expect their form to turn bad. When Wolves are playing bad you expect their form to stay bad. 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost > everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we > maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. > But now that we're not doing so well, *some* people have tried to change > the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that > everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated > earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points > per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is > that so? > > -- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Nick Curtis > *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > >We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! > > -- > *From:* "Morris, Lee SGT" > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] > > On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into > account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the > season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table > material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the > playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. > > Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were > spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people > (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. > > Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really > shouldn't be. > > ---------- > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? > > We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one > of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are *the*best > team as we have scored the most points. > > If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, > we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced > ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been > intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four > months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear > of third place. > > There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average > happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely > successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured > relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the > long term average is measured against the current season, and the season > before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven > points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the
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Picking at straws. Fact is we need a massive turnaround in form (based on the last two months which is enough to base form on) to pull it off. If we didn't have points in the bag from our great first half of the season god knows where we'd be, because we have been very very poor since the half way mark. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:32 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Depends on the definition of current form. Current/latest result - you're right, current season - we're up, somewhere in between - who knows? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:28 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] I will guarantee it won't be enough on current form, at least two teams will overhaul us. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:26 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Depends on how many points the other teams stash in their respective bags. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Exactly, but our points in the bag won't be enough if we carry on the way we are going. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:22 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Re
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Depends on the definition of current form. Current/latest result - you're right, current season - we're up, somewhere in between - who knows? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:28 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] I will guarantee it won't be enough on current form, at least two teams will overhaul us. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:26 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Depends on how many points the other teams stash in their respective bags. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Exactly, but our points in the bag won't be enough if we carry on the way we are going. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:22 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven
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I will guarantee it won't be enough on current form, at least two teams will overhaul us. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:26 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Depends on how many points the other teams stash in their respective bags. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Exactly, but our points in the bag won't be enough if we carry on the way we are going. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:22 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where
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unfortunately our points in the bag hasn't changed much in 9 games, so if points in the bad are all the matter I think it's safe to say that our 63 points isn't going to be enough to get us promoted or make the play-offs, but we won't be relegated. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:22 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to
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Depends on how many points the other teams stash in their respective bags. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Exactly, but our points in the bag won't be enough if we carry on the way we are going. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:22 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh
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Exactly, but our points in the bag won't be enough if we carry on the way we are going. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:22 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On
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Points in the bag are what dictate your league position. Nobody gets promoted or relegated at the end of the season based on the 'current form table'. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:16 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry mailto:marcus.chan...@macquarie.com>> Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
Isn't it strange how earlier in the season when we were doing well almost everyone on this list was make predictions about where we would finish if we maintained the current form of averaging X points per game. But now that we're not doing so well, some people have tried to change the focus to look at the points that we have in the bank saying that everything is rosy because we have X points in the bag (mainly accumulated earlier in the season) and are ignoring the current form (ie average points per game) which was such an important harbinger only 2 months ago. Why is that so? From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Curtis Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
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On balance we're the best team in the league - hence us currently being top. On current form we're not and the balance is certainly tipping but its not time to throw in the towel. We'll go up. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Morris, Lee SGT Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 3:09 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry mailto:marcus.chan...@macquarie.com>> Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. Before printing, please consider the environment. IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it are intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorised alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of the RTA. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system
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We are third from bottom in current form based upon the last 8 games! From: "Morris, Lee SGT" To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 2:08:58 PM Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified] On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
on the contrary my dear Watson, I have never once said that I am unhappy. In fact, 99% of the time I am very happy with everything that happens in my life including everything Wolves related. I simply choose to express my views at any given point in time in a way that is untainted by either pessimism or optimism. If I think the team are playing rubbish then I say so regardless of past form; If the team are playing well then I say so regardless of past form; If I feel that the manager is demonstrating incompetence then I say so regardless of past achievements; If the manager makes a great signing then I say so regardless of past failures; It is a valuable asset to be able to remain uninfluenced no matter what is going on around me so I don't think it is fair classify myself as a glass half-full or a glass half-empty kind of person; I prefer to be branded realist. At the moment, we are rubbish - that's a fact. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 2:52 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? [sec=unclassified]
On balance I'd say we are now one of the worst teams, we need to take into account that most of our points were accumulated in the first half of the season. Our recent form indicates that we are now bottom half of the table material and on a rapid decline. On current form we may just sneak into the playoffs, and what an anti climax that will be. Yes I've read the bit about our last nine games and if the results were spread out over the rest of the season...blah blah blah, that's just people (MM in particular) trying to lighten things. Its going to be a roller coaster finish, with the lead we had, it really shouldn't be. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswol...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:52 To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve? We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are the best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal of form? Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 On Behalf Of Steven Millward I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level to get promoted. I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[NSWolves] Re: Where are you Steve?
We have a good chance of getting promoted. We are, I still believe, one of the best two teams in the division. On balance so far, we are *the* best team as we have scored the most points. If these last nine matches had been interspersed amongst the other games, we'd still be where we are, it's just that we wouldn't have convinced ourselves that we were going up without any difficulty. We might have been intermittently swapping places with Brum and Reading over the last four months. If that had happened we'd be very happy being top by now, and clear of third place. There is a lot of sceintific evidence that a person's long term average happiness cannot really be moved, even for people that are supremely successful or make a lot of money. Therefore, all happiness is measured relative to that long term average. I think in the case of football, the long term average is measured against the current season, and the season before. Being only a couple of points clear is worse than being seven points clear, so we are unhappy. If we had been seventh in the league two months ago, we'd be delighted with our position, wouldn't we? So just relax. It does however, seem to be a fact that wherever we are in the table you're never happy. If we were promoted by now, you'd be moaning that we had no chance of staying up. The key is to be grateful for where we are in the league, rather than being sad about where we could have been There are people who see the glass half empty, people who see it half full, and you, who sees it smashed on the floor with the contents making a permanent stain on the carpet and an enduring fear of getting shards of glass in your feet when you walk over it. And what a waste of money it was smashing the glass. Oh my! 2009/2/17 Marcus Chantry > Where are you Steve? We are missing your optimism during this dire > period of form. We need answers to what is going on. How did your > investigations go into the clumpiness of MM? Are we about to see a reversal > of form? > > -- > *Sent:* Monday, 9 February 2009 4:08 > *On Behalf Of *Steven Millward > I still think we are the first or second best team in the league. Better > than Brum but perhaps not better than Reading > > I have faith that we'll average out over the season at a high enough level > to get promoted. > > I'm wondering if Mick is indeed statistically more clumpy as a Wolves > manager or we just despair about poor runs of form. I might investigate. > > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee > the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions > expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of > Macquarie. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Pig's pudding - it's a mon's dinner aer kid -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
