Re: [osol-discuss] Who should we report bugs to?
Edward Martinez wrote: > i filed this to bugzilla but it did not really got fix, Reporting kernel/driver bugs to bugzilla was always a waste of time, since the kernel/driver engineers wouldn't see them until someone copied to the bugster bug database behind bugs.opensolaris.org. bugzilla is only used by certain projects, and anything going into most of the core Solaris consolidations (ON, X, SFW, etc.) had to go into bugster since the tools for those consolidations only work with bugster. (JDS, IPS, & Caiman are the big exceptions that used bugzilla since they didn't have the existing tool/process legacy.) -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
Hi, I really think people like you are reading too much into the license and over reacting. So Oracle is going to give Solaris, Solaris Express, etc away for free for non-Production use. They say things like it's free for development, testing, etc. Why is this not flexible enough? Hell, just say you're writing a script or compiling stuff. Do you really think Oracle has time to chase after every single copy out there??? I mean come on! You're over reacting like tin-foil hat paranoid freaktards! The bottom line is that Oracle wants people to pay if they are using it for PRODUCTION USE! Will they expect people to pay for updates? I have no doubt they'll charge support contacts for people who will want daily IPS depot updates. What's wrong with that? Is that any different from RHEL or AIX? Just because they don't specifically list using it as a desktop, home media server, or a toaster, doesn't mean they are after you for money or going to take you to court. I think some people are taking this license too literally, and that's just plain stupid. I've read it enough times to say I see nothing wrong with SA's, developers, testers, enthusiasts using it. So what's the big deal??? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Daniel Kjar To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 7:37:52 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license To give you an idea of how self destructive this is, I am now moving all of my operations to ubuntu (not my opensolaris desktop/file server though!). Today I was able to get my sunrays running on 9.10 and tomorrow I will move them up to 10.04. I can buy licenses for my sunrays for 100 dollars a pop, and patches from oracle for 100 dollars a year. I cannot afford 2000 dollars a year for my Blade and my X2200 for solaris. I would use it if I could but since I saw that license today I am out of luck and will remove solaris from all of my computers. I hope one of the new openindianas is straight up compatible with srss 4.2 but I can't count on it. I am running an older version of 10 on my x2200 so I should still be ok with the license for the moment. I am a professor and all of my work is non-commercial and I require no support besides security updates. I would pay for those just as I pay for them with my sunrays. Now, instead of my students seeing ORACLE on their workstations, they will see UBUNTU. Their call. Seems absolutely self defeating to me but I guess we do not count. If that is the case I will just move on. Pay for what I can still afford and just turn my back on what I have really grown to enjoy. Let me tell you how sick I am of going back to etc/init.d -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
On 09/11/2010 07:54 PM, Gary Driggs wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Cia Watson wrote: I have one question at the moment: Will there be ext3 and/or ext4 support? I have a shared data partition in ext3 that I would need to be able to mount periodically. There is already a read only filesystem package that allows mounting of NTFS, FAT, and ext3 partitions. http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mount_ntfs_ext2_ext3_in http://watters.ws/mediawiki/index.php/Mount_ext3_drives_in_Solaris ___ Thanks for the info., I did find an ext3 module and info here: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+ext3/Quick+howto So I've had read-write access to a data partition formatted as ext3, I just wanted to make sure there would be similar support in OpenIndiana. I received a reply from Ken M. that there will be support for ext3/4 and NTFS. It's all good. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
+-- | On 2010-09-11 17:37:52, Daniel Kjar wrote: | | I am a professor and all of my work is non-commercial and I require no support besides security updates. I would pay for those just as I pay for them with my sunrays. Now, instead of my students seeing ORACLE on their workstations, they will see UBUNTU. Their call. Seems absolutely self defeating to me but I guess we do not count. If that is the case I will just move on. Pay for what I can still afford and just turn my back on what I have really grown to enjoy. | | Let me tell you how sick I am of going back to etc/init.d Ubuntu uses Upstart these days. init.d is legacy. Check out Fedora and RHEL, though... FC14 will have systemd, which looks very progressive (if slightly crazy, but maybe in a good way): http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html Cheers. -- bdha cyberpunk is dead. long live cyberpunk. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Excellent. I am glad to hear you think that may be valuable. Sadly though srss 4.2 does not work (easily, or even moderately easily with b134). Not saying somebody couldn't figure out why and create simple scripts to make it work though! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
On 12 Sep 2010, at 01:42, Daniel Kjar wrote: > Will it be compatible with the newest sunray software (srss 5 (4.2))? If SunRay Software runs on OpenSolaris b134 then theres a fairly good chance it will run on OpenIndiana. It's something we would be very keen to ensure works on our /stable branch, as obviously SunRays are amazing pieces of equipment. If there were any challenges, I'm sure the developer community would be keen to step up to fix them. We're aiming to release this coming week so tune in to our announcement and give our first development build a spin, and report any issues with SRSS to our bug tracker. Cheers, Alasdair ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Will it be compatible with the newest sunray software (srss 5 (4.2))? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
To give you an idea of how self destructive this is, I am now moving all of my operations to ubuntu (not my opensolaris desktop/file server though!). Today I was able to get my sunrays running on 9.10 and tomorrow I will move them up to 10.04. I can buy licenses for my sunrays for 100 dollars a pop, and patches from oracle for 100 dollars a year. I cannot afford 2000 dollars a year for my Blade and my X2200 for solaris. I would use it if I could but since I saw that license today I am out of luck and will remove solaris from all of my computers. I hope one of the new openindianas is straight up compatible with srss 4.2 but I can't count on it. I am running an older version of 10 on my x2200 so I should still be ok with the license for the moment. I am a professor and all of my work is non-commercial and I require no support besides security updates. I would pay for those just as I pay for them with my sunrays. Now, instead of my students seeing ORACLE on their workstations, they will see UBUNTU. Their call. Seems absolutely self defeating to me but I guess we do not count. If that is the case I will just move on. Pay for what I can still afford and just turn my back on what I have really grown to enjoy. Let me tell you how sick I am of going back to etc/init.d -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
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> On 9/10/2010 6:11 PM, Edward Martinez wrote:
> > It appears this is the license Solaris 11 Express
> wil be under and it's
> solaris 10 new license, an OTN lincese.
> >
> >
> http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6891-Licensing-Change-for
> -Solaris-10-and-Solaris-Cluster.html
>
> I find this section of the license even more
> interesting:
>
> > Open Source Software
> > "Open Source" software - software available without
> charge for use,
> > modification and distribution - is often licensed
> under terms that
> > require the user to make the user's modifications
> to the Open Source
> > software or any software that the user 'combines'
> with the Open
> > Source software freely available in source code
> form. If you use
> > Open Source software in conjunction with the
> Programs (or if you
> > plan on licensing your own application under an
> Open Source
> > license), you must ensure that your use does not:
> (i) create, or
> > purport to create, obligations with respect to the
> Oracle Programs;
> > or (ii) grant, or purport to grant, to any third
> party any rights to
> > or immunities under our intellectual property or
> proprietary rights
> > in the Oracle Programs. For example, you may not
> develop a software
> > program using an Oracle program and an Open Source
> program where
> > such use results in a program file(s) that contains
> code from both
> > the Oracle program and the Open Source program
> (including without
> > limitation libraries) if the Open Source program is
> licensed under a
> > license that requires any "modifications" be made
> freely available.
> > You also may not combine the Oracle program with
> programs licensed
> > under the GNU General Public License ("GPL") in any
> manner that
> > could cause, or could be interpreted or asserted to
> cause, the
> > Oracle program or any modifications thereto to
> become subject to the
> > terms of the GPL.
> >
> They make it sound like they feel threatened by
> OpenSource software,
> the GPL in particular. While I have no love for the
> GPL, I've never
> thought that any OSS license would create the need
> for language like that.
>
>-Kyle
It doesn't seem reasonable to me that some of that language is
necessary from the standpoint of defending their own licences.
In a perverse way though, it may help customers insofar as it
warns them off of a path of mingling GPL and non-GPL code
in (according to some interpretations) forbidden ways.
It's offensive sounding language, but I'm not sure it has much in
the way of practical consequences. More bothersome to me is
that non-profit non-development personal use seems to me to
be utterly excluded. How many developers that cannot afford
a license can afford a dedicated system that they can only use
for development, testing, and demonstration of their apps, and
not double as a desktop or home file server or something?
To fully comply would just about limit one to running x86 under
VirtualBox or VMware or the like, only when needed for the
stated purpose. And what about self-education and familiarization?
Realistically that should be part of development or of any other usage,
continually.
Excluding uses that would never have been a cash cow anyway doesn't
create more profit, it creates less, by closing a path whereby those
uses might have been the start of a progression into a paying customer.
--
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
This is interesting. b147 you say? Cool! It is not based on illumos. When will it be based on illumos? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Cia Watson wrote: > I have one question at the moment: Will there be ext3 and/or ext4 support? I > have a shared data partition in ext3 that I would need to be able to mount > periodically. There is already a read only filesystem package that allows mounting of NTFS, FAT, and ext3 partitions. http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mount_ntfs_ext2_ext3_in http://watters.ws/mediawiki/index.php/Mount_ext3_drives_in_Solaris ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Who should we report bugs to?
Alternatively on Tuesday you can try > OpenIndiana b147 to see if that resolves the > issue > >_ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org There is one bug still affecting opensolaris b134. i filed this to bugzilla but it did not really got fix, the cause was found,not sure if b147 is still being affected the bug #15218 apic error interrupt on cpu 0 status 0 = 0, status 1 =4 floods the screen like a infinite loop. problem was "the APIC ID in ACPI MADT table in inconsistent with the real value of APIC ID register" an AMD bug known errata #373 of AMD Family 10h Processors https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=15218 so a new pcplusmp was built and it worked. so If i find this bug in OpenIndiana b147 do i file it at openindiana or upstream at illumos? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Who should we report bugs to?
On 11 Sep 2010, at 18:59, Paul Harper wrote: > Bug 7467 is still active in snv_134. Do I need to report this to 'OpenSolaris > or Oracle M Even More Unbelievably Unbreakable than Linux Solaris 11? > > https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7467 > > Who do we report bugs to!!!?? You're wasting your breath :-) OpenSolaris is no more. You'll have to wait until Solaris 11 Express comes out and hope that it has your bug fixed. If it doesn't, you'll then be able to chase it up. But chasing it against snv_134 is pointless as it's so old. Especially as you're not going to get a fix for 134. Alternatively on Tuesday you can try OpenIndiana b147 to see if that resolves the issue. Cheers, Alasdair___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Who should we report bugs to?
Bug 7467 is still active in snv_134. Do I need to report this to 'OpenSolaris or Oracle M Even More Unbelievably Unbreakable than Linux Solaris 11? https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7467 Who do we report bugs to!!!?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Given the new license details for what will be Oracle Solaris 11 Express, it appears I won't be upgrading my snv_134 osol to Sol11 express (since I'm not a developer), and so am looking forward to details about OpenIndiana. I have one question at the moment: Will there be ext3 and/or ext4 support? I have a shared data partition in ext3 that I would need to be able to mount periodically. Thanks. Cia On 09/ 9/10 03:53 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: On Tuesday 14th September, we will be unveiling OpenIndiana – an exciting new distribution of OpenSolaris! OpenIndiana is a continuation of the OpenSolaris operating system. It was conceived during the period of uncertainty following the Oracle takeover of Sun Microsystems, after several months passed with no binary updates made available to the public. The formation proved timely, as Oracle has since discontinued OpenSolaris in favour of Solaris 11 Express, a binary distribution with a more closed development model to debut later this year. OpenIndiana is part of the Illumos Foundation, and provides a true open source community alternative to Solaris 11 and Solaris 11 Express, with an open development model and full community participation. - ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
On Sep 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: >> > They make it sound like they feel threatened by OpenSource software, the GPL > in particular. While I have no love for the GPL, I've never thought that any > OSS license would create the need for language like that. It's probably much less sinister than it appears on first glance. My guess is that they're merely trying to avoid conflicts with patent trolls. It reminds me of when Caldera Linux released a bunch of System V source under a GPL license then years later as SCO tried to claim all of Linux was trampling on their intellectual property. -Gary___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
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On 9/10/2010 6:11 PM, Edward Martinez wrote:
> It appears this is the license Solaris 11 Express wil be under and it's
solaris 10 new license, an OTN lincese.
>
> http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6891-Licensing-Change-for-Solaris-10-and-Solaris-Cluster.html
I find this section of the license even more interesting:
> Open Source Software
> "Open Source" software - software available without charge for use,
> modification and distribution - is often licensed under terms that
> require the user to make the user's modifications to the Open Source
> software or any software that the user 'combines' with the Open
> Source software freely available in source code form. If you use
> Open Source software in conjunction with the Programs (or if you
> plan on licensing your own application under an Open Source
> license), you must ensure that your use does not: (i) create, or
> purport to create, obligations with respect to the Oracle Programs;
> or (ii) grant, or purport to grant, to any third party any rights to
> or immunities under our intellectual property or proprietary rights
> in the Oracle Programs. For example, you may not develop a software
> program using an Oracle program and an Open Source program where
> such use results in a program file(s) that contains code from both
> the Oracle program and the Open Source program (including without
> limitation libraries) if the Open Source program is licensed under a
> license that requires any "modifications" be made freely available.
> You also may not combine the Oracle program with programs licensed
> under the GNU General Public License ("GPL") in any manner that
> could cause, or could be interpreted or asserted to cause, the
> Oracle program or any modifications thereto to become subject to the
> terms of the GPL.
>
They make it sound like they feel threatened by OpenSource software,
the GPL in particular. While I have no love for the GPL, I've never
thought that any OSS license would create the need for language like that.
-Kyle
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Re: [osol-discuss] Phenom II X6 1090T, AMD 890FX / SB850, Any Driver Development Efforts?
I use ATI4850 with OpenSolaris. It works. But no 3D. Only 2D. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS
This would only matter if they were still worth doing development for. It's not a wise investment of time at this point, and probably never will be again. This matters to dimwit suit wearing fracktards, but to everyone else it's pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS
It is not clear if Sun provided enough information to invalidate all the patents that ZFS was threatened with. PJ @ Groklaw does not appear to have updated the status of the ZFS dispute since 2008. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
It's pretty hard to care about a company that craps all over it's development community. About all I expect these days is that they'll do more to make me recommend other choices in the enterprise than their products. But hey, that's just business right? New license sleaze just means more reasons not to choose their products. They can't honor past agreements, so it's not reasonable to expect them to honor the new crap they roll out today a year from now. After all the legion of sleazy lawyers they employ need something to do with their time, and there's nothing better for them to do than figure out new ways to screw customers out of money. I have zero respect for Oracle's management. I don't trust them, I know too much about the companies internal culture of back stabbing to want to do business with them in the first place. Since it extends itself very frequently to customer relationships, as has been illustrated by their nasty treatment of the OpenSolaris community, well it's just more proof that doing business with this company is a serious mistake for anyone. What is obvious is that they're too self-involved to see the permanent harm they've done to their own market. Mistakes like that come from group think, and they can't be easily undone. I have 7 sparc boxes at home. Before the end of October, all but one of them will be sent to the dump. The delay is because of recycling logistics alone. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
> So write some shell scripts, compile some software, > test some software. That > should be more than enough to meet the requirements;) > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Octave J. Orgeron > Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant > Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com > E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- i do that on solaris! so i guess that counts as "developing" and "testing". I'm covered.:-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
