[opensuse-factory] GDK applications are crashing on Itanium (IA-64)
Hi,When clicking on Control center or Preferred applications from the GNOME desktop, I get nothing. Starting control-center and application-browser from a shell displays the following message on the console: Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failedaborting...Is there anybody out there experiencing the same issue? FYI, the X mode isn't started at boot time although I'm in runlevel 5. I must manually enter /opt/gnome/sbin/gdm as root to start up GDM. Perhaps is there an initialization problem with the display preventing GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display) to succeed? All this with up-to-date openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 4:- gnome-main-menu-0.6.2-4- control-center2-2.15.92-4- gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-95If a bug report report will be appreciated, against which component should I report this problem? Cheers, Émeric
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christian Boltz wrote: > > openssh > > should probably be in recommended only ssh and scp are very basic features. i think we should keep it unless we define minimal as "without network" > > reiserfs > > Nobody needs this *g,d&r* if reiser still is default fs for installation, we should have reiserfsck in minimal. > > Recommended (should have): > > > qlogic-firmware > > Should be installed only if matching hardware exists (if possible) +1 -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 Alpha 4 install fails on low end hardware
David Bolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- > >>10.2a4 cd1 & mini-iso (both checked with md5sum on file and verified by >>k3b burner) >> >>Very early in install, "Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill >>init!" occurs just after "freeing unused kernel memory" message, which >>is followed by "SMP" alone on a line. Hardware isn't SMP... > > I don't see the SMP on mine, and the system which I'm trying to install > it upon doesn't support SMP as yet (see below). We only use SMP kernels now (see my announcement ;-) - and those should work on single CPUs as well. If not, please file a bug report, so that we can investigate. Please try the other boot options as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpCwfTKDC6dk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minimal RAM requirement
vetter wrote: > Hi, > > what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both > graphical and text mode? > > We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which > would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited > RAM. > > Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on > machines with little RAM. > > What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist > already. > > Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version. > If you have interest in small installation you can look at MiniSUSE project. Now when Andreas is looking for basic pattern, MiniSUSE has to redefine project goals, for instance to develop test procedure for minimal systems, so that results can be compared. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Burning the internet install ISO for 10.2 alpha 4
Keith Goggin wrote: > The error message is > > 'Could not find the SUSE Linux Installation Source.' > > that alone is good for a bug report - incorrect branding :-) > > Seems to me I need to identify the server where the disk images are held? > > What is this about 'Point the YaST installer to the installation repository > (by pressing F3 and then F4)'? Keith, I would skip F3 and then F4 do that later when GUI Installer is active. It acts as a standard YaST module and asks if you want to retry to input installation source if source is not available, or you make typo. F3 then F4 will abort GUI, and start text mode installation in case of any error, at least it did that last time I used it. Looking for the link I couldn't find any inst-source directory for 10.2 so there is the question how to use mini-iso CD? -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Burning the internet install ISO for 10.2 alpha 4
On Friday 08 September 2006 07:52, Brendan Mulholland wrote: > On 9/7/06, Keith Goggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Hey. > > > I've downloaded and burnt the X86 boot disk for internet install > > (openSUSE10.2 Alpha 4). The disk verified ok but the boot process hasn't > > recognised the install media. > > Just to make sure, you've set your BIOS to boot from CD-ROM before > your Hard Drive, correct? Yes. > > I've used a re-writable CD does that matter? > > Shouldn't. OK The error message is 'Could not find the SUSE Linux Installation Source.' that alone is good for a bug report - incorrect branding :-) Seems to me I need to identify the server where the disk images are held? What is this about 'Point the YaST installer to the installation repository (by pressing F3 and then F4)'? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Burning the internet install ISO for 10.2 alpha 4
On 9/7/06, Keith Goggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Hey. I've downloaded and burnt the X86 boot disk for internet install (openSUSE10.2 Alpha 4). The disk verified ok but the boot process hasn't recognised the install media. Just to make sure, you've set your BIOS to boot from CD-ROM before your Hard Drive, correct? I've used a re-writable CD does that matter? Shouldn't. Thanks for any advise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brendan Mulholland aka Chippy A member of the Foxed Design Team http://design.foxed.ca/ Where can we take you today? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 Alpha 4 install fails on low end hardware
David Bolt wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- > >> 10.2a4 cd1 & mini-iso (both checked with md5sum on file and verified by >> k3b burner) >> >> Very early in install, "Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill >> init!" occurs just after "freeing unused kernel memory" message, which >> is followed by "SMP" alone on a line. Hardware isn't SMP... > > I don't see the SMP on mine, and the system which I'm trying to install > it upon doesn't support SMP as yet (see below). The text is just above where your screenshot starts. > >> Tried default install, "safe settings" and using F4 to pre-select NFS & >> server - all crash in the same way. >> >> Hardware is AMD K6-2/500 with 512M RAM, ATI AGP video; runs 10.1 perfectly. >> >> I can post a picture of the screen but obviously no log files etc. > > Probably looks remarkably similar to this[0]: Yes, very similar - though the bit just above (see my previous comment) may be relevant > > http://www.davjam.org/~davjam/images/parallels_10.2alpha4.gif> > >> This looks similar to 203466 (not posted by me) though that was 10.2 >> alpha 3. >> >> Has anyone had a successful install on 10.2a4 on similar low end hardware? > > Not a low end system, but have successfully upgraded from alpha3 on a > laptop[1]. I won't make too many comments about the changes to KDE, > except to say that I switched the KDE menu back to classic style after > only a few minutes of testing. I will check it out on a rather better machine tomorrow (2GHz AMD though with only 256M RAM). My primary testbench is only this old K6-2/500, though 10.1 ran very happily on it (apart from the issues that we all know about regarding 10.1...) > >> I have raised bug 204252 for this. > > This looks exactly the same as the problem I, and at least one other > person, have when trying to install it on a Parallels virtual machine. > > The bug report in that case (#202605) was originally reported as a > failure of alpha3 to install where it locked up and, in my case, > occupied 100% CPU time of one processor of my SMP machine. > > > [0] Why it's showing the kernel is tainted, I have no idea. The > screenshot in bug #202605 shows the same with an untainted kernel. I don't see any comments about taint. I get 'Not tainted VLI' in place of your line showing taint. May be a red herring !? > > [1] Anyone using a DVD built using makeSUSEdvd will possibly find it > fails to work. For some reason, the DVD install failed to initialise the > catalogues and I had to resort to using CDs instead :| > I started trying to do a net install (from local repository) but when that crashed I switched to a standard CD install (which crashed in just the same way). The testbed machine doesn't have a CD reader, but does have a network link to my file server. > Regards, > David Bolt > Seems like there are several of us with - at least superficially - similar problems. Regards, -- Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 Alpha 4 install fails on low end hardware
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- >10.2a4 cd1 & mini-iso (both checked with md5sum on file and verified by >k3b burner) > >Very early in install, "Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill >init!" occurs just after "freeing unused kernel memory" message, which >is followed by "SMP" alone on a line. Hardware isn't SMP... I don't see the SMP on mine, and the system which I'm trying to install it upon doesn't support SMP as yet (see below). >Tried default install, "safe settings" and using F4 to pre-select NFS & >server - all crash in the same way. > >Hardware is AMD K6-2/500 with 512M RAM, ATI AGP video; runs 10.1 perfectly. > >I can post a picture of the screen but obviously no log files etc. Probably looks remarkably similar to this[0]: http://www.davjam.org/~davjam/images/parallels_10.2alpha4.gif> >This looks similar to 203466 (not posted by me) though that was 10.2 >alpha 3. > >Has anyone had a successful install on 10.2a4 on similar low end hardware? Not a low end system, but have successfully upgraded from alpha3 on a laptop[1]. I won't make too many comments about the changes to KDE, except to say that I switched the KDE menu back to classic style after only a few minutes of testing. >I have raised bug 204252 for this. This looks exactly the same as the problem I, and at least one other person, have when trying to install it on a Parallels virtual machine. The bug report in that case (#202605) was originally reported as a failure of alpha3 to install where it locked up and, in my case, occupied 100% CPU time of one processor of my SMP machine. [0] Why it's showing the kernel is tainted, I have no idea. The screenshot in bug #202605 shows the same with an untainted kernel. [1] Anyone using a DVD built using makeSUSEdvd will possibly find it fails to work. For some reason, the DVD install failed to initialise the catalogues and I had to resort to using CDs instead :| Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 50 Mnodes/s: http://www.distributed.net/ AMD1800 1Gb WinXP/SUSE 9.3 | AMD2400 256Mb SuSE 9.0 | A3010 4Mb RISCOS 3.11 AMD2400(32) 768Mb SUSE 10.0 | Falcon 14Mb TOS 4.02 | A4000 4Mb RISCOS 3.11 AMD2600(64) 512Mb SUSE 10.0 || RPC600 129Mb RISCOS 3.6 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christian Boltz wrote: > > finger > > Is finger still used? IMHO fingerd disabled on most machines for > security reasons, so there's no point in including the client in the > default installation. Yes, It is restricted to intranet. Very handy to use inside company network to get issuse resolved. -- Boyd Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] 10.2 Alpha 4 install fails on low end hardware
10.2a4 cd1 & mini-iso (both checked with md5sum on file and verified by k3b burner) Very early in install, "Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!" occurs just after "freeing unused kernel memory" message, which is followed by "SMP" alone on a line. Hardware isn't SMP... Tried default install, "safe settings" and using F4 to pre-select NFS & server - all crash in the same way. Hardware is AMD K6-2/500 with 512M RAM, ATI AGP video; runs 10.1 perfectly. I can post a picture of the screen but obviously no log files etc. This looks similar to 203466 (not posted by me) though that was 10.2 alpha 3. Has anyone had a successful install on 10.2a4 on similar low end hardware? I have raised bug 204252 for this. -- Cheers Richard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 5. September 2006 16:42 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> Required (must have):
[...]
> cpp
???
(only needed by xorg-x11 and gcc [on my 10.1 system] which are not in
requirements)
> gnome-icon-theme
Should be in a "X" or "Gnome" pattern instead. Nobody needs icons on
tty1 ;-)
> m4
> make
I don't see why these are _required_...
> openssh
should probably be in recommended only
> reiserfs
Nobody needs this *g,d&r*
> #if defined(__i386__) || defined (__x86_64__)
> [...]
> grub
> lilo
> #endif
Both grub _and_ lilo? One of them is enough.
> Recommended (should have):
> qlogic-firmware
Should be installed only if matching hardware exists (if possible)
> OpenIPMI
and
> ipmitool
What's this? Package summary (of 10.1) explains it in a recursive way
("OpenIPMI is a free implementation for IPMI") -> what's IPMI?
Oh, and please try to find a better package description ;-)
> dos2unix
Then please include unix2dos also ;-)
> finger
Is finger still used? IMHO fingerd disabled on most machines for
security reasons, so there's no point in including the client in the
default installation.
Regards,
Christian Boltz
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Summary: Games on openSUSE 10.2
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 07:12:09PM +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote: > Stefan Dirsch wrote: > >> How can lbreakout popularity surprise you? > >> 95% of people between 25 and 55 has a latent addiction of breakout > >> games ;-) > > > > Can you give me any pointers for such numbers? Would be interesting to > > know, which kind of games are popular. I don't think we ever made a > > survey about this. > > I hope I don't give away something confidential if I say that the most > popular game @suse.cz is the "Enemy Territory" ;) > > http://returntocastlewolfenstein.filefront.com/file/Enemy_Territory;14408 > http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/et/ > > But the ET would increase size of the minimal selection quite a lot > :) zzz Again. We don't plan to to ship any FPS games. Stefan Public Key available -- Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.deGermany -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Summary: Games on openSUSE 10.2
Stefan Dirsch wrote: >> How can lbreakout popularity surprise you? >> 95% of people between 25 and 55 has a latent addiction of breakout >> games ;-) > > Can you give me any pointers for such numbers? Would be interesting to > know, which kind of games are popular. I don't think we ever made a > survey about this. I hope I don't give away something confidential if I say that the most popular game @suse.cz is the "Enemy Territory" ;) http://returntocastlewolfenstein.filefront.com/file/Enemy_Territory;14408 http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/et/ But the ET would increase size of the minimal selection quite a lot :) zzz N-joy ;) Lukas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Summary: Games on openSUSE 10.2
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 06:40:52PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: > Onsdag 06 september 2006 18:16 skrev Stefan Dirsch: > > Games for default Installation: > > --- > > GNOME:gnome-games > > KDE:kdegames (kmines,kpat) > > KDE:knights > > KDE:ksudoku > > chromium > > frozen-bubble > > freeciv > > lbreakout > > supertux > > xmoto > > Great default selection I think. Well, it's the conlusion of what we've discussed. Nothing more. > How can lbreakout popularity surprise you? > 95% of people between 25 and 55 has a latent addiction of breakout > games ;-) Can you give me any pointers for such numbers? Would be interesting to know, which kind of games are popular. I don't think we ever made a survey about this. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available -- Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.deGermany -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 17:26, schreef Vahis: > Azerion wrote: > > Sometimes people do have a p2-mouse connected or somewhere around. I do > > have a plug-thing that makes the USB-connector a ps2. > > > > Changed to: > > usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug > > #203609 Workaround: Make sure you don't have a mouse connected to an > > USB-port or use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel > > line. > > > > Azerion > > Sometimes when people have a ps2 mouse this annoyance does not concern > them at all. > > It's all clear in the original most annoying bug info. > > That's why I asked why your post was necessary in the first place. > > Vahis I understand. People that install an Alpha should not concern about it. But I rather see the GUI tested then the text-mode. GUI was not stable in other Alpha's so it have to be tested and I hope some people will now try using a p2/mouse. The first Workaround-line looked like a GUI-install was not able at all. And I guess it is not as long as a mouse is attached to the USB-port. Azerion. ps. let's close this discussion now. I think we both made our point very clear :D There are more important topics around. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Vahis wrote: > If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do > it in text mode anyway, huh? You can still install in both ncurses and Qt without any mouse. Use [Tab] key and/or Alt+Highlighted_Character and [Enter]. Yes, it takes, at least, 3x more time ;) L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Summary: Games on openSUSE 10.2
Onsdag 06 september 2006 18:16 skrev Stefan Dirsch: > Games for default Installation: > --- > GNOME:gnome-games > KDE:kdegames (kmines,kpat) > KDE:knights > KDE:ksudoku > chromium > frozen-bubble > freeciv > lbreakout > supertux > xmoto Great default selection I think. How can lbreakout popularity surprise you? .. 95% of people between 25 and 55 has a latent addiction of breakout games ;-) Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Burning the internet install ISO for 10.2 alpha 4
Hi, I've downloaded and burnt the X86 boot disk for internet install (openSUSE10.2 Alpha 4). The disk verified ok but the boot process hasn't recognised the install media. I've used a re-writable CD does that matter? Thanks for any advise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Azerion wrote: > Sometimes people do have a p2-mouse connected or somewhere around. I do have > a > plug-thing that makes the USB-connector a ps2. > > Changed to: > usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug > #203609 > Workaround: Make sure you don't have a mouse connected to an USB-port or use > textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. > > Azerion > Sometimes when people have a ps2 mouse this annoyance does not concern them at all. It's all clear in the original most annoying bug info. That's why I asked why your post was necessary in the first place. Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
> > On 9/7/06, Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Azerion wrote: > >> > Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: > >> >> Azerion wrote: > >> >>> Most annoying bugs: > >> >>> > >> >>> usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially > >> > >> installation Bug > >> > >> >>> #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. > >> > >> textmode=1 on the > >> > >> >>> kernel line. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I > >> > >> mean, with > >> > >> >>> ps2 it should go fine right? > >> >>> > >> >>> Azerion > >> > >> - > >> > >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > >> >> Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. > >> >> > >> >> What's the reason for your posting? > >> >> > >> >> Please don't answer. > >> >> > >> >> Vahis > >> > > >> > I do. > >> > > >> > This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit > >> > underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you > >> > >> do not > >> > >> > have a mouse connected to the USB-port. > >> > > >> > My version is better :P > >> > > >> > Azerion > >> > >> In my opinion to choose another installation option is far easier than > >> to go to a shop to buy another mouse just for installing, don't you > >> think? > >> > >> If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do > >> it in text mode anyway, huh? > >> > >> Vahis > >> > >> -- > >> Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. > >> http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html > >> SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: > >> http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Even that is easier than to go to a shop to get a new mouse. > See what happened when you top posted. > > Vahis Sometimes people do have a p2-mouse connected or somewhere around. I do have a plug-thing that makes the USB-connector a ps2. Changed to: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Make sure you don't have a mouse connected to an USB-port or use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Brendan Mulholland wrote: > Not true. You can still use the graphical install, but only use > keyboard shortcuts... > > On 9/7/06, Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Azerion wrote: >> > Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: >> > >> >> Azerion wrote: >> >> >> >>> Most annoying bugs: >> >>> >> >>> usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially >> installation Bug >> >>> #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. >> textmode=1 on the >> >>> kernel line. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I >> mean, with >> >>> ps2 it should go fine right? >> >>> >> >>> Azerion >> >>> >> - >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> >> >> Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. >> >> >> >> What's the reason for your posting? >> >> >> >> Please don't answer. >> >> >> >> Vahis >> >> >> > >> > I do. >> > >> > This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit >> > underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you >> do not >> > have a mouse connected to the USB-port. >> > >> > My version is better :P >> > >> > Azerion >> >> In my opinion to choose another installation option is far easier than >> to go to a shop to buy another mouse just for installing, don't you >> think? >> >> If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do >> it in text mode anyway, huh? >> >> Vahis >> >> -- >> Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. >> http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html >> SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: >> http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Even that is easier than to go to a shop to get a new mouse. See what happened when you top posted. Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Em Quinta, 7 de Setembro de 2006 09:14, o Lukas Ocilka escreveu: > Back in 90's I was used to have 'pico' and 'pine' in my system but the > time has changed Speaking of which, I think we should consider when installing nano that a pico symlink is made to it, since it is a clone of it so that old folks could easily find Suse's alternative. Just like we make a symlink from vi to vim. Cheers, Ricardo -- Tact is the ability to tell a man he has an open mind when he has a hole in his head. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Not true. You can still use the graphical install, but only use keyboard shortcuts... On 9/7/06, Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Azerion wrote: > Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: > >> Azerion wrote: >> >>> Most annoying bugs: >>> >>> usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug >>> #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the >>> kernel line. >>> >>> >>> What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with >>> ps2 it should go fine right? >>> >>> Azerion >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. >> >> What's the reason for your posting? >> >> Please don't answer. >> >> Vahis >> > > I do. > > This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit > underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you do not > have a mouse connected to the USB-port. > > My version is better :P > > Azerion In my opinion to choose another installation option is far easier than to go to a shop to buy another mouse just for installing, don't you think? If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do it in text mode anyway, huh? Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brendan Mulholland aka Chippy A member of the Foxed Design Team http://design.foxed.ca/ Where can we take you today? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Azerion wrote: > Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: > >> Azerion wrote: >> >>> Most annoying bugs: >>> >>> usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug >>> #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the >>> kernel line. >>> >>> >>> What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with >>> ps2 it should go fine right? >>> >>> Azerion >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. >> >> What's the reason for your posting? >> >> Please don't answer. >> >> Vahis >> > > I do. > > This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit > underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you do not > have a mouse connected to the USB-port. > > My version is better :P > > Azerion In my opinion to choose another installation option is far easier than to go to a shop to buy another mouse just for installing, don't you think? If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do it in text mode anyway, huh? Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: > Azerion wrote: > > Most annoying bugs: > > > > usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug > > #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the > > kernel line. > > > > > > What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with > > ps2 it should go fine right? > > > > Azerion > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. > > What's the reason for your posting? > > Please don't answer. > > Vahis I do. This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you do not have a mouse connected to the USB-port. My version is better :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Azerion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Most annoying bugs: > > usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug > #203609 > Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel > line. > > > What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 > it should go fine right? With ps2 mouse - or a touchpad/trackball, it works fine. I could plug in a usb mouse after installation - our experts are looking at what's broken now... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp68dpYw0QZM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Azerion wrote: > Most annoying bugs: > > usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug > #203609 > Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel > line. > > > What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 > it should go fine right? > > Azerion > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. What's the reason for your posting? Please don't answer. Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Most annoying bugs: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 it should go fine right? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME 2.16
> > - Will the 3D features of metacity be activated in the openSUSE > > distribution (as they have to be activated on compile time?) > I don't know. Someone of the Gnome maintainers would need to comment > on this one. At the moment they're disabled explicitly - I suspect they cause significant problems if the COMPOSITE extension is not enabled. You're perfectly welcome to grab the .src.rpm, remove --disable-compositor and rebuild though. -- James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://usr-local-bin.org Packages for SUSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/imin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] gnome-screensaver doesn't recognize password!
Since the updates came with a new kernel, I have rebooted my system. And the problem is still here. I don't know if it's related, but even in runlevel 5, I had to manually start GDM by entering /opt/gnome/sbin/gdm. Emeric 2006/9/7, Azerion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Op donderdag 7 september 2006 09:43, schreef Émeric Maschino:> Hi,>> With today's updates, I cannot wake up my GNOME session once the > screensaver has been started: the connexion dialog box tells me that my> password is incorrect. And I'm sure it's absolutely correct since I log in> my GNOME session with the exact same password (obviously).This is with > gnome-screensaver-2.15.7-3 on an Itanium workstation (IA-64 architecture).> I hadn't this problem with previous gnome-screensaver release (don't> remember the version though). Is there anybody out there experiencing the > same issue?>> Cheers,>> EmericHappened to me in KDE after an update. Restart Gnome and check if the problemstill exist. If so, they a PC reboot and try again. If ot still exist there is a bigger problem. Otherwise it is probably a call to a changed function(?)Azerion-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] gnome-screensaver doesn't recognize password!
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 09:43, schreef Émeric Maschino: > Hi, > > With today's updates, I cannot wake up my GNOME session once the > screensaver has been started: the connexion dialog box tells me that my > password is incorrect. And I'm sure it's absolutely correct since I log in > my GNOME session with the exact same password (obviously).This is with > gnome-screensaver-2.15.7-3 on an Itanium workstation (IA-64 architecture). > I hadn't this problem with previous gnome-screensaver release (don't > remember the version though). Is there anybody out there experiencing the > same issue? > > Cheers, > > Emeric Happened to me in KDE after an update. Restart Gnome and check if the problem still exist. If so, they a PC reboot and try again. If ot still exist there is a bigger problem. Otherwise it is probably a call to a changed function (?) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
* Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Sep 07. 2006 10:42]: > jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > could it be possible to have with these lists an approximation of the > > installed size of the packages? > > This is a problem due to dependencies :-(, I have no idea on how to do > this easily. I have some scripts which could be 'persuaded' to give this information. ;-) Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME 2.16
"Dominique Leuenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > List, > > I would say quiet good news for our openSUSE 10.2: Gnome 2.16 > isofficially released and came out of the beta. We have 2.15.92 which is the last beta before 2.16 (I can not comment on the rest of your email), Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpgKPs5yeP8O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] gnome-screensaver doesn't recognize password!
"Émeric Maschino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > With today's updates, I cannot wake up my GNOME session once the screensaver > has been started: the connexion dialog box tells me that my password is > incorrect. And I'm sure it's absolutely correct since I log in my GNOME > session with the exact same password (obviously).This is with > gnome-screensaver-2.15.7-3 on an Itanium workstation (IA-64 architecture). I > hadn't this problem with previous gnome-screensaver release (don't remember > the version though). Is there anybody out there experiencing the same issue? Please report it in bugzilla, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpTiYLbuw2tK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > could it be possible to have with these lists an approximation of the > installed size of the packages? This is a problem due to dependencies :-(, I have no idea on how to do this easily. Let's strive for functionality, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpMUK2Tet57R.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME 2.16
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:11:39AM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > I would say quiet good news for our openSUSE 10.2: Gnome 2.16 > isofficially released and came out of the beta. > > When reading the change log, there is a lot of 3D stuff (like wobbling > windows, exploding windows) mentioned. After reading all this, there > remains the question about the usage of XGL and AIGLX... is there any > sense to keep this projects up? Well, AFAIK this 3D stuff needs something on which it can run. Currently this is either - Xgl (includes Composite extension) - AIGLX + Composite extension NVIDIA plans to add the required GL extensions, which are required for a future driver release, so you won't need Xgl any longer, when you want to use this driver. But you still need to enable the Composite extension! Honestly AFIAK none of our Novell engineers ever managed to get AIGLX working. Even for current X.Org git sources you need additional patches by RH and for compiz as well. :-( And since the Composite extension doesn't work together with the fglrx driver, you need to use Xgl for this driver anyway. > - What exactly brings XGL as advantage over the new features of Gnome > 2.16 by itself (except the cube for the desktops)? Looks like you mixup XGL with compiz. See my comment above. > - Will the 3D features of metacity be activated in the openSUSE > distribution (as they have to be activated on compile time?) I don't know. Someone of the Gnome maintainers would need to comment on this one. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available -- Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.deGermany -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Minimal RAM requirement
Hi, what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both graphical and text mode? We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited RAM. Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on machines with little RAM. What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist already. Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
jdd wrote: > Rajko M a écrit : > >> Some editor has to be included and nano fits better because it's no >> learning necessary type of editor, as mentioned in few other posts. > > we need mostly know the _size_ of nano and it's dependencies, more than > the ease of use. > > I'm used on many linux variants (from mulinux and gentoo to suse) and > the only thing I _always_ find is Vi on it's mini flavor (there is NO > "original" Vi as I discovered once, but many flavors, Vim being the more > common, but not the smaller). so any usual linux user (the one than can > have to wotk on various machines) must have at least some sort of use ov > Vi. You're right that almost any Linux user has to have Vi installed in their system but it still doesn't mean that they - even know they have it installed - known how to work with it - like it - are satisfied with working with it Back in 90's I was used to have 'pico' and 'pine' in my system but the time has changed ;) Well, we could have both hard-core vi + some easy-to-operate editor for novices :) Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse-factory] GNOME 2.16
List, I would say quiet good news for our openSUSE 10.2: Gnome 2.16 isofficially released and came out of the beta. When reading the change log, there is a lot of 3D stuff (like wobbling windows, exploding windows) mentioned. After reading all this, there remains the question about the usage of XGL and AIGLX... is there any sense to keep this projects up? - What exactly brings XGL as advantage over the new features of Gnome 2.16 by itself (except the cube for the desktops)? - Will the 3D features of metacity be activated in the openSUSE distribution (as they have to be activated on compile time?) Regards, Dominique
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Rajko M a écrit : Some editor has to be included and nano fits better because it's no learning necessary type of editor, as mentioned in few other posts. we need mostly know the _size_ of nano and it's dependencies, more than the ease of use. I'm used on many linux variants (from mulinux and gentoo to suse) and the only thing I _always_ find is Vi on it's mini flavor (there is NO "original" Vi as I discovered once, but many flavors, Vim being the more common, but not the smaller). so any usual linux user (the one than can have to wotk on various machines) must have at least some sort of use ov Vi. but I see I have "busybox" already installed and don't remember having asked for it. is it possible/usefull to have a very slim install (not by default) with busybox and it's companions? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
could it be possible to have with these lists an approximation of the installed size of the packages? it may not be worth discussing to gain bytes, only megabytes are worth thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] smart-gui on openSUSE 10.2 a3
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Chema Ollés wrote:
> > I guess guru's smart packages are just incompatible with 10.2 -->
> > presumably X11R6 path changes, or something in that area.
>
> I downgrade smart version to the first one (on dvd alpha3) and the error
> is the same.python-gtk is installed and rpm -q --qf "%{DISTURL}" smart
> says something like this: srcrep:2b2bac540fc8d0300f7701840ae67e70-smart
> This is the correct message:
> srcrep:28b68c797f7f229e725b1412f27e1f77-smart
So, now you have smart and smart-gui at alpha 3 level? I guess you are
running into a known bug with python-cairo now -- Please upgrade to alpha4
and try again.
Regards
Christoph
[opensuse-factory] gnome-screensaver doesn't recognize password!
Hi, With today's updates, I cannot wake up my GNOME session once the screensaver has been started: the connexion dialog box tells me that my password is incorrect. And I'm sure it's absolutely correct since I log in my GNOME session with the exact same password (obviously).This is with gnome-screensaver-2.15.7-3 on an Itanium workstation (IA-64 architecture). I hadn't this problem with previous gnome-screensaver release (don't remember the version though). Is there anybody out there experiencing the same issue? Cheers, Emeric
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Everything is released now and should be correct, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpdq4INredm5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Heiko Helmle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> >> The target of this exercise for me was to get the default install >> small - and have extra packages that many like in extra patterns. > > Well an additional exercise may be letting some yast2-modules stay > away from 'base'. > if i recall correctly DNS-Server or DHCP-Server module are on base. > that's something that should belong to the respecing server-pattern. Yes, I did that. I have now a base YaST pattern and a server pattern (still looking for a good name) with the YaST server modules in it. > for the editor-discussion: > > i personally expect a vi to be on every system that has a unix-like > shell. Even the small embedded linux boxes have vi (as a busybox > module) I don't care if it is the quite large 'vim' or any other vi - > but if it is too large for base, that's not a problem. vi is a simple > 'yast -i > vim' away. I agree. > i'm very happy with a small-as-possible base install (not default, but > base) as it makes SuSe easier to install on flash :) > > nano is foolproof, very lean and easy to use for anybody. and for the > simple tasks like editing some /etc/sysconfig it is enough. I don't use either - and would like a voting module in our wiki ;-). Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpVh6gHU3tep.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Andreas Jaeger wrote: The target of this exercise for me was to get the default install small - and have extra packages that many like in extra patterns. Well an additional exercise may be letting some yast2-modules stay away from 'base'. if i recall correctly DNS-Server or DHCP-Server module are on base. that's something that should belong to the respecing server-pattern. for the editor-discussion: i personally expect a vi to be on every system that has a unix-like shell. Even the small embedded linux boxes have vi (as a busybox module) I don't care if it is the quite large 'vim' or any other vi - but if it is too large for base, that's not a problem. vi is a simple 'yast -i vim' away. i'm very happy with a small-as-possible base install (not default, but base) as it makes SuSe easier to install on flash :) nano is foolproof, very lean and easy to use for anybody. and for the simple tasks like editing some /etc/sysconfig it is enough. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
