Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/06/2011 03:05 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: >> On 04/05/2011 04:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >>> On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: > I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a > headache. It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently that's too much to ask... I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands >>> >>> opensuse...@opensuse.org would be just fine... >> >> You are kidding me right? :( >> >> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-nl/ > > Oh, it wasn't on the list with translation mailinglists. Will add it. > Tnx! Which list with translation lists? It isn't a translation list btw.. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: > Hey, > > On 04/05/2011 04:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: > >> On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: > >>> I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a > >>> headache. > >> > >> It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently > >> that's too much to ask... > >> > >> I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, > >> opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and > >> opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands > > > > opensuse...@opensuse.org would be just fine... > > You are kidding me right? :( > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-nl/ Oh, it wasn't on the list with translation mailinglists. Will add it. Tnx! > Henne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 2011-04-04 Helen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > Please don't :) Let's just solve this. > > > > Henne > > - > As I said in my previous reply: > > it seems the best thing to do is ask people to sign up to the > Project list > > "opensuse-proj...@opensuse.org - The mailing list where non-technical > aspects of the openSUSE distribution and community are discussed. > Join us! " > > and to include Australia in the subject line. People can then filter > out those messages if we are making too much noise. > > Is this not acceptable either? If it works for the australians I see no problem with it (until ppl complain about it of course). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/05/2011 04:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: >> On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: >>> I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. >> >> It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently >> that's too much to ask... >> >> I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, >> opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands > > opensuse...@opensuse.org would be just fine... You are kidding me right? :( http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-nl/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: > Hey, > > On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: > > I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. > > It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently > that's too much to ask... > > I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, > opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands opensuse...@opensuse.org would be just fine... > now. I'll let you guys know when those are done... > > Henne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: > I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently that's too much to ask... I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands now. I'll let you guys know when those are done... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Ricardo Chung wrote: > On Monday, April 04, 2011 10:10:50 PM Chuck Payne wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ricardo Chung > wrote: >> > On Monday, April 04, 2011 09:45:09 AM Henne Vogelsang wrote: >> >> Hey, >> >> >> >> On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >> >> > On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: >> >> >> On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: >> >> >>> The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list >> >> >>> is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With >> >> >>> our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for >> >> >>> local discussion would allow us to activities and events without >> >> >>> cluttering other lists. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average >> >> >> less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If >> >> >> anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be >> >> >> really useful don't you think? >> >> > >> >> > Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. >> >> > Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the >> >> > ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in >> >> > their own language? >> >> >> >> No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the >> >> best thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk Dutch on with >> >> your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. Chuck wants >> >> a list by region in the dominant language and Helen wants a list by >> >> country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up your (teams) minds. >> >> >> >> > I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a >> >> > local USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D >> >> >> >> We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The >> >> marketing team operates a mess of communication channels anyway. Just >> >> look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply >> >> connected topics, some of it with almost no traffic, a lot of >> >> cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is to reach the >> >> right people etc. We can add language, region and country list to the >> >> mix no problem! Just make up your minds :) >> >> >> >> Henne >> > >> > I am reading these mail issues with country-language-topics. >> > >> > This is only an idea and maybe sure someone already explored it. >> > >> > We can add our favorite languange-country before the topic to the subject >> > in the list we are subscribed. So anyone which is not interested on that >> > country or language convesation can filter them easily. The cons is >> > people could forget to write it that way. >> > >> > the good stuff is there is no more mailing list to manage than we already >> > have and we want to step in other country or language because we find >> > something we can contribute or learn from it will be easy to read with >> > only one subscription. >> > >> > Best. >> > -- >> > Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador >> > Panama >> > >> > openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | >> > Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org >> >> Guys. >> >> I see Helen point for Aussie List. The reason I wanted my list wasn't >> to take away from main list, but a tool to reach out to the Ambassador >> in North America (Mexico, US, and Canada) on events that are coming up >> and seeing who can do what or go. More and more I am seeing it just be >> best I set up list myself. I didn't think asking for a tool would have >> cause such a headache. > > Chuck, > > I don't think it was a bad idea and I really understand what are you trying to > do with that list and the concerns about the isolated group from the main > international project too. > Again, no one getting it. I am not trying to isolated, but when you are trying to set up people for SELF, I don't need to hear how or comment some another part of the world that doesn't know what going on. It would be a great tool for me to reach out to just the North America people on North American Events. > Your concerns and other have are legitimate and we need to find a good viable > and easy solution. If it were so legitimate it would have been set up with out any fuss, but to many want to be chiefs and not Indians. > We want a permanent solution to these issues and high traffic on mailing list > complaints from other people not interested in other countries or languages > issues. > Me too. I like to see North America good, but it ok, I will come up with my own tools. > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador > Panama > > openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | > Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers > -- (678) 636-9678 - Discover it! Enjoy
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Monday, April 04, 2011 10:10:50 PM Chuck Payne wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ricardo Chung wrote: > > On Monday, April 04, 2011 09:45:09 AM Henne Vogelsang wrote: > >> Hey, > >> > >> On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > >> > On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: > >> >> On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: > >> >>> The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list > >> >>> is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With > >> >>> our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for > >> >>> local discussion would allow us to activities and events without > >> >>> cluttering other lists. > >> >> > >> >> Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average > >> >> less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If > >> >> anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be > >> >> really useful don't you think? > >> > > >> > Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. > >> > Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the > >> > ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in > >> > their own language? > >> > >> No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the > >> best thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk Dutch on with > >> your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. Chuck wants > >> a list by region in the dominant language and Helen wants a list by > >> country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up your (teams) minds. > >> > >> > I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a > >> > local USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D > >> > >> We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The > >> marketing team operates a mess of communication channels anyway. Just > >> look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply > >> connected topics, some of it with almost no traffic, a lot of > >> cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is to reach the > >> right people etc. We can add language, region and country list to the > >> mix no problem! Just make up your minds :) > >> > >> Henne > > > > I am reading these mail issues with country-language-topics. > > > > This is only an idea and maybe sure someone already explored it. > > > > We can add our favorite languange-country before the topic to the subject > > in the list we are subscribed. So anyone which is not interested on that > > country or language convesation can filter them easily. The cons is > > people could forget to write it that way. > > > > the good stuff is there is no more mailing list to manage than we already > > have and we want to step in other country or language because we find > > something we can contribute or learn from it will be easy to read with > > only one subscription. > > > > Best. > > -- > > Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador > > Panama > > > > openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | > > Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > Guys. > > I see Helen point for Aussie List. The reason I wanted my list wasn't > to take away from main list, but a tool to reach out to the Ambassador > in North America (Mexico, US, and Canada) on events that are coming up > and seeing who can do what or go. More and more I am seeing it just be > best I set up list myself. I didn't think asking for a tool would have > cause such a headache. Chuck, I don't think it was a bad idea and I really understand what are you trying to do with that list and the concerns about the isolated group from the main international project too. Your concerns and other have are legitimate and we need to find a good viable and easy solution. We want a permanent solution to these issues and high traffic on mailing list complaints from other people not interested in other countries or languages issues. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ricardo Chung wrote: > On Monday, April 04, 2011 09:45:09 AM Henne Vogelsang wrote: >> Hey, >> >> On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >> > On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: >> >> On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: >> >>> The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list >> >>> is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With >> >>> our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for >> >>> local discussion would allow us to activities and events without >> >>> cluttering other lists. >> >> >> >> Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average >> >> less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If >> >> anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be >> >> really useful don't you think? >> > >> > Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. >> > Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the >> > ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in >> > their own language? >> >> No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the >> best thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk Dutch on with >> your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. Chuck wants >> a list by region in the dominant language and Helen wants a list by >> country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up your (teams) minds. >> >> > I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a local >> > USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D >> >> We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The >> marketing team operates a mess of communication channels anyway. Just >> look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply >> connected topics, some of it with almost no traffic, a lot of >> cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is to reach the >> right people etc. We can add language, region and country list to the >> mix no problem! Just make up your minds :) >> >> Henne > > I am reading these mail issues with country-language-topics. > > This is only an idea and maybe sure someone already explored it. > > We can add our favorite languange-country before the topic to the subject in > the list we are subscribed. So anyone which is not interested on that country > or language convesation can filter them easily. The cons is people could > forget to write it that way. > > the good stuff is there is no more mailing list to manage than we already have > and we want to step in other country or language because we find something we > can contribute or learn from it will be easy to read with only one > subscription. > > Best. > -- > Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador > Panama > > openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | > Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > Guys. I see Helen point for Aussie List. The reason I wanted my list wasn't to take away from main list, but a tool to reach out to the Ambassador in North America (Mexico, US, and Canada) on events that are coming up and seeing who can do what or go. More and more I am seeing it just be best I set up list myself. I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. -- (678) 636-9678 - Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. - openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Monday, April 04, 2011 09:45:09 AM Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: > >> On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: > >>> The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list > >>> is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With > >>> our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for > >>> local discussion would allow us to activities and events without > >>> cluttering other lists. > >> > >> Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average > >> less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If > >> anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be > >> really useful don't you think? > > > > Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. > > Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the > > ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in > > their own language? > > No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the > best thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk Dutch on with > your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. Chuck wants > a list by region in the dominant language and Helen wants a list by > country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up your (teams) minds. > > > I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a local > > USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D > > We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The > marketing team operates a mess of communication channels anyway. Just > look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply > connected topics, some of it with almost no traffic, a lot of > cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is to reach the > right people etc. We can add language, region and country list to the > mix no problem! Just make up your minds :) > > Henne I am reading these mail issues with country-language-topics. This is only an idea and maybe sure someone already explored it. We can add our favorite languange-country before the topic to the subject in the list we are subscribed. So anyone which is not interested on that country or language convesation can filter them easily. The cons is people could forget to write it that way. the good stuff is there is no more mailing list to manage than we already have and we want to step in other country or language because we find something we can contribute or learn from it will be easy to read with only one subscription. Best. -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > Please don't :) Let's just solve this. > > Henne - As I said in my previous reply: it seems the best thing to do is ask people to sign up to the Project list "opensuse-proj...@opensuse.org - The mailing list where non-technical aspects of the openSUSE distribution and community are discussed. Join us! " and to include Australia in the subject line. People can then filter out those messages if we are making too much noise. Is this not acceptable either? -- IRC: helen_au helen.so...@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 04/04/2011 11:21 μμ, Izabel Valverde wrote: 2011/4/4 Kim Leyendecker Am 04.04.2011 20:13, schrieb Bruno Friedmann: Seriously, if we respect a strict non-cross-ml in ambassadors, we could start a message by [US] [GR] or whatever to distinct the language of the message. I would have some interest in what's happen in Australia, and USA, and Germany, and France, and Greece and India. All what the other do/discuss can be lessons of how to do the best ambassador job. +1 It also teaches us about, how other cultures work together and let us learn to work with them together! Totally agree with Bruno and Kim My view is the richness of cultures that makes a community like ours be so wonderful... Various points discussed in different "locations" create different directions ... I do not believe to be positive at this time. Izabel +1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
2011/4/4 Kim Leyendecker > > Am 04.04.2011 20:13, schrieb Bruno Friedmann: >> >> Seriously, if we respect a strict non-cross-ml in ambassadors, we could >> start a message by [US] [GR] or whatever to distinct >> the language of the message. I would have some interest in what's happen in >> Australia, and USA, and Germany, and France, and >> Greece and India. All what the other do/discuss can be lessons of how to do >> the best ambassador job. > > +1 > It also teaches us about, how other cultures work together and let us learn > to work with them together! Totally agree with Bruno and Kim My view is the richness of cultures that makes a community like ours be so wonderful... Various points discussed in different "locations" create different directions ... I do not believe to be positive at this time. Izabel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Am 04.04.2011 20:13, schrieb Bruno Friedmann: Seriously, if we respect a strict non-cross-ml in ambassadors, we could start a message by [US] [GR] or whatever to distinct the language of the message. I would have some interest in what's happen in Australia, and USA, and Germany, and France, and Greece and India. All what the other do/discuss can be lessons of how to do the best ambassador job. +1 It also teaches us about, how other cultures work together and let us learn to work with them together! So that would say, no more cross-posting with marketing ml, we can always send a link of the thread (even on web interface, can we ? if not we should have that in header or footer : like see that message inhttp://blabla) Yes please! And second point, being creative and distinctive in subject. Doesn't sound a really big big effort. -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendec...@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE http://www.opensuse.org Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 04/04/2011 03:45 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >> On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: >>> On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering other lists. >>> >>> Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average >>> less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If >>> anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be >>> really useful don't you think? >> >> Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. >> Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the >> ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in >> their own language? > > No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the best > thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk > Dutch on with your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. > Chuck wants a list by region in the dominant language > and Helen wants a list by country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up > your (teams) minds. > >> I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a local >> USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D > > We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The marketing > team operates a mess of communication channels > anyway. Just look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply > connected topics, some of it with almost no > traffic, a lot of cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is > to reach the right people etc. We can add > language, region and country list to the mix no problem! Just make up your > minds :) > > Henne > Henne, your speech inspire me can you make those opensuse-fr-ambassador opensuse-fr-kde opensuse-fr-gnome opensuse-fr-xfce opensuse-fr-meego opensuse-fr-lxde opensuse-fr-tweet opensuse-fr-facebook opensuse-fr-baguette ... and finally opensuse-fr-troll (I expect lot's of messages here, I can accept a international one for that) :-) Seriously, if we respect a strict non-cross-ml in ambassadors, we could start a message by [US] [GR] or whatever to distinct the language of the message. I would have some interest in what's happen in Australia, and USA, and Germany, and France, and Greece and India. All what the other do/discuss can be lessons of how to do the best ambassador job. So that would say, no more cross-posting with marketing ml, we can always send a link of the thread (even on web interface, can we ? if not we should have that in header or footer : like see that message in http://blabla) And second point, being creative and distinctive in subject. Doesn't sound a really big big effort. Thoughts? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04.04.2011 16:12, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering other lists. Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be really useful don't you think? Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in their own language? No I don't. I'm trying to find out what you guys want and then serve the best thing to you :) I get that you want a list to talk Dutch on with your Dutch ambassador friends. But others want other things. Chuck wants a list by region in the dominant language and Helen wants a list by country. I'm just asking if you maybe can make up your (teams) minds. I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a local USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D We can make the confusion perfect and do that. I don't care! :) The marketing team operates a mess of communication channels anyway. Just look at the three lists you have now. Separate lists for deeply connected topics, some of it with almost no traffic, a lot of cross-posting because no one knows whats the right forum is to reach the right people etc. We can add language, region and country list to the mix no problem! Just make up your minds :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On 2011-04-01 Henne wrote: > Hey, > > On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: > > The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list > > is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With > > our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for > > local discussion would allow us to activities and events without > > cluttering other lists. > > Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average > less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If > anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be > really useful don't you think? Well, three mails a day is nothing for you and me and spam for some. Anyway. So you think the dutch should send their mails via the ambassador list in dutch, like the greek and all other countries in their own language? It's possible, it is just pretty unlikely that people will like it very much. And as I mentioned before (and that's pretty obvious in chuck's case) having an own mailinglist has the simple advantage of being a teambuilding thing. The dutch KDE team uses the translation mailinglist to discuss everything - from events to website building and of course translating. The dutch openSUSE translators use a mailinglist not on openSUSE infrastructure. Some other translation teams have addresses like opensuse...@opensuse.org - which imho makes sense. So I'm going to ask on the NL openSUSE translation mailinglist if they are ok with moving to opensuse...@opensuse.org and I'll ask the ppl who are currently discussing stuff by using CC to join that list too. I simply don't feel comfortable asking them to join me on the ambassador list while talking dutch. Guess it's more of a feeling than a rational thing but it's real nonetheless. I think each team should do what they prefer and if chuck wants a local USA ML, or an USA&Canada ML, he should ask it and get it :D Cheers, Jos > > I know there's been some discussion around local lists recently - > > was there any consensus regarding use of email lists? > > Not really. Chuck asked for a geographic region based approach, I > asked if language based would be okay too because this means less > work for me on the list server and then the discussion was not very > conclusive for me so I didn't do anything... > > > Who should I ask to approve and implement the list? > > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Services_help#mailinglists.2Flists.op > ensuse.org > > Henne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 01.04.2011 23:42, Helen South wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: Does it justify the additional overhead placed on our beloved mail admin, Henne (even if he says he doesn't care?) I didnt realize that administering a list would be a lot of hassle It isn't and it doesn't place an burden on me. Really. We could start a Google or Yahoo group and manage it ourselves. Please don't :) Let's just solve this. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Kostas Koudaras wrote: > What I am going to say have much love inside them because you know you > are all my friends. > We have ambassadors in 47 countries which means that we have users of > openSUSE at 47 countries at least so making 47 different local mailing > lists would be great,if those ML's had traffic > If they don't those are practically useless. > > Now I will tell you what I made so that you see some things a bit more clear. > I asked a local mailing list when I thought I could work with it. I > asked a second one about translation when it became clear we needed > one. > The first question is if you really need one. By need I mean post > there almost daily and have members communicate and help each other > and inform people. Having a ML just to have 2-3 mails per month and in > a language that you can do it in another ML, the way I see it, and > think about it, might cause some problems to the local community you > are making the list to support.Consider that you must have people to > support all levels of users(at least most of them). > > Also think about all that confusing things Bryen said ;-) and how many > local ML can confuse users. > > Having many lists make the Global community lose important feedback > and honestly that is the reason we tell Greek people if they have a > problem they can explain in English, write at opensuse-project and not > in opensuse-el since others users can benefit in various ways with > answers they will get. > > Now about what Chuck said about a local event,I think that even if you > had an opensuse-USA list, states are so big that this problem would > not be solved. > Also don't underestimate the help a Greek or a French or a Belorussian > can give you in a local event in the states,more ideas are never bad. > No one tells you how to run things, bottom line you always do what you > want,but having more ideas if you have a well-structured way of > thinking can never be harmful. > I am not against local ML, on the contrary I am a big supporter but > only if think it can really change things to the better and only if > you really think that the existing lists don't serve you they > desirable way. > Bottom line on that, if you think a ML can help your local communities > go for it but have in mind that it can also weaken a local community > if it does not work well, I know a couple of examples. > I would suggest to start where we started and that is an IRC channel, > announce it on the project ML and then talk with people there if you > really need a ML. > If you all agree to that go for it. > > That is my opinion and I certainly don't want to play the smart-ass here :-) > Think about it > > Kostas You know Kostas, for someone who talks a lot, you actually talk a lot of sense. You raise some very similar points to those mentioned by Henne and Bryen but the way you express it is very persuasive. So to find a better approach I had a look on the Communication page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels and it seems the best thing to do is ask people to sign up to the Project list "opensuse-proj...@opensuse.org - The mailing list where non-technical aspects of the openSUSE distribution and community are discussed. Join us! " and to include Australia in the subject line. People can then filter out those messages if we are making too much noise. hopefully this will be a satisfactory solution. cheers, Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.so...@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
What I am going to say have much love inside them because you know you are all my friends. We have ambassadors in 47 countries which means that we have users of openSUSE at 47 countries at least so making 47 different local mailing lists would be great,if those ML's had traffic If they don't those are practically useless. Now I will tell you what I made so that you see some things a bit more clear. I asked a local mailing list when I thought I could work with it. I asked a second one about translation when it became clear we needed one. The first question is if you really need one. By need I mean post there almost daily and have members communicate and help each other and inform people. Having a ML just to have 2-3 mails per month and in a language that you can do it in another ML, the way I see it, and think about it, might cause some problems to the local community you are making the list to support.Consider that you must have people to support all levels of users(at least most of them). Also think about all that confusing things Bryen said ;-) and how many local ML can confuse users. Having many lists make the Global community lose important feedback and honestly that is the reason we tell Greek people if they have a problem they can explain in English, write at opensuse-project and not in opensuse-el since others users can benefit in various ways with answers they will get. Now about what Chuck said about a local event,I think that even if you had an opensuse-USA list, states are so big that this problem would not be solved. Also don't underestimate the help a Greek or a French or a Belorussian can give you in a local event in the states,more ideas are never bad. No one tells you how to run things, bottom line you always do what you want,but having more ideas if you have a well-structured way of thinking can never be harmful. I am not against local ML, on the contrary I am a big supporter but only if think it can really change things to the better and only if you really think that the existing lists don't serve you they desirable way. Bottom line on that, if you think a ML can help your local communities go for it but have in mind that it can also weaken a local community if it does not work well, I know a couple of examples. I would suggest to start where we started and that is an IRC channel, announce it on the project ML and then talk with people there if you really need a ML. If you all agree to that go for it. That is my opinion and I certainly don't want to play the smart-ass here :-) Think about it Kostas 2011/4/2 Helen South : > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > >> Now let me ask another question. If we create country ML's, does it >> have to be focused on ambassadors only? If, for example, we create an >> Australian list, wouldn't it make more sense to create one list for all >> of Australia rather than just for its ambassadors? (opensuse-au vs. >> opensuse-ambassadors-au) > > This was my intention. A mailing list for users, not just Ambassadors. > We are all active in one way or another. > >> Does it justify the additional overhead placed on our beloved mail admin, >> Henne (even if he says he doesn't care?) > > I didnt realize that administering a list would be a lot of hassle > (I've never done it). > We could start a Google or Yahoo group and manage it ourselves. > > Alternatively I guess I could keep a list of contacts and ask people > individually if it's ok to CC them whenever we want to ask if someone > wants media, is going to an event and so on. It's hardly efficient, > though. > > cheers > > Helen > > > IRC: helen_au > helen.so...@opensuse.org > helensouth.com > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > Now let me ask another question. If we create country ML's, does it > have to be focused on ambassadors only? If, for example, we create an > Australian list, wouldn't it make more sense to create one list for all > of Australia rather than just for its ambassadors? (opensuse-au vs. > opensuse-ambassadors-au) This was my intention. A mailing list for users, not just Ambassadors. We are all active in one way or another. > Does it justify the additional overhead placed on our beloved mail admin, > Henne (even if he says he doesn't care?) I didnt realize that administering a list would be a lot of hassle (I've never done it). We could start a Google or Yahoo group and manage it ourselves. Alternatively I guess I could keep a list of contacts and ask people individually if it's ok to CC them whenever we want to ask if someone wants media, is going to an event and so on. It's hardly efficient, though. cheers Helen IRC: helen_au helen.so...@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 17:20 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > On 04/01/2011 03:51 PM, Chuck Payne wrote: > > > I wish you luck, I couldn't get one for north america, I really think > > we need regional mailing list along with the regular one. They wanted > > to do it by language, which made no sense because North America, > > Australia, UK and most of the work speak english so if I want to send > > notice to the ambassadors of North America about things we need to do, > > I would have comments from other parts who don't understand what we > > are trying to do. > > Your region[1] based plan works for a very low number of regions. For > North America its okay'ish because its two countries and most Canadians > speak English but nearly all the other regions have tons of languages in > them. I really think you need to think this through. You guys want as > far as I can understand 3 things > Just to add more confusion here :-) North America includes US, Canada and Mexico. So we do have 3 languages within North America. And of course, we haven't covered Caribbean Islands which are also in North America and have languages based on their colonial ownership. (I believe for example, Aruba speaks Dutch.) And people from Mexico often get very insulted if they don't get included in North America.So from a language perspective if they join a opensuse-ambassador-NA and find it speaks english and no Spanish... we will not have achieved any goodwill there. :-? If we're going to break it down, country-specific is the way to go. Now let me ask another question. If we create country ML's, does it have to be focused on ambassadors only? If, for example, we create an Australian list, wouldn't it make more sense to create one list for all of Australia rather than just for its ambassadors? (opensuse-au vs. opensuse-ambassadors-au) I still have very mixed feelings about this because a) I personally find it useful to know what's happening across borders. It's how we share ideas globally and make our own events better. SCALE booth design was iimproved in part because we looked at what happened in FOSDEM. I do get what some people point out about too much noise and that some people don't care what's happening in another country. But have we gotten to that point yet? Are we speaking about a problem before the problem actually exists? Do we have anything to point to from real experiences where this has been a problem so far?Does it justify the additional overhead placed on our beloved mail admin, Henne (even if he says he doesn't care?) Bryen So > 1. Reach _ONLY_ the people that might be affected geographically > 2. Communicate in your native language > 3. Keep the amount of messages to the opensuse-ambassador to a minimum > > Is that so? Then the only reasonable way to achieve all 3 is to add > country specific[2] lists I think. So opensuse-ambassadors-us or > opensuse-ambassadors-nl. I do what you want. I don't really care :-) > > I just can tell you that everybody else is trying to achieve the exact > opposite. Most of us try to unite the communication channels because the > isolation effectively kills all communication in the local groups > because they are often way to small and it also kills communication > between the local groups and synergies are wasted. Yes it is sometimes > tedious to communicate on a bigger list but there are also huge benefits > to it. > > But like I've said, this is your decision. As ml-admin I do what the > team tells me. Just don't tell me 3 conflicting things ;) > > Henne > > [1] > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/United_Nations_geographical_subregions.png > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 > > -- > Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. > Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. > - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/01/2011 03:51 PM, Chuck Payne wrote: > I wish you luck, I couldn't get one for north america, I really think > we need regional mailing list along with the regular one. They wanted > to do it by language, which made no sense because North America, > Australia, UK and most of the work speak english so if I want to send > notice to the ambassadors of North America about things we need to do, > I would have comments from other parts who don't understand what we > are trying to do. Your region[1] based plan works for a very low number of regions. For North America its okay'ish because its two countries and most Canadians speak English but nearly all the other regions have tons of languages in them. I really think you need to think this through. You guys want as far as I can understand 3 things 1. Reach _ONLY_ the people that might be affected geographically 2. Communicate in your native language 3. Keep the amount of messages to the opensuse-ambassador to a minimum Is that so? Then the only reasonable way to achieve all 3 is to add country specific[2] lists I think. So opensuse-ambassadors-us or opensuse-ambassadors-nl. I do what you want. I don't really care :-) I just can tell you that everybody else is trying to achieve the exact opposite. Most of us try to unite the communication channels because the isolation effectively kills all communication in the local groups because they are often way to small and it also kills communication between the local groups and synergies are wasted. Yes it is sometimes tedious to communicate on a bigger list but there are also huge benefits to it. But like I've said, this is your decision. As ml-admin I do what the team tells me. Just don't tell me 3 conflicting things ;) Henne [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/United_Nations_geographical_subregions.png [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/01/2011 09:48 AM, Helen South wrote: > The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is > the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our > presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local > discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering > other lists. Do you really fear that? I mean the ambassadors list has on average less then 100 mails a month. That makes roughly 3 mails a day. If anything this list is on life support and needs more traffic to be really useful don't you think? > I know there's been some discussion around local lists recently - was > there any consensus regarding use of email lists? Not really. Chuck asked for a geographic region based approach, I asked if language based would be okay too because this means less work for me on the list server and then the discussion was not very conclusive for me so I didn't do anything... > Who should I ask to approve and implement the list? http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Services_help#mailinglists.2Flists.opensuse.org Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Manu Gupta wrote: > send a mail at ad...@opensuse.org > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Helen South wrote: >> The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is >> the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our >> presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local >> discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering >> other lists . I know there's been some discussion around local lists >> recently - was there any consensus regarding use of email lists? I'd >> be keen to go ahead with this if that's ok. >> >> Who should I ask to approve and implement the list? >> >> thanks >> >> Helen >> >> -- >> IRC: helen_au >> helen.so...@opensuse.org >> helensouth.com >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org >> >> > > > > -- > Regards > Manu Gupta > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > Helen, I wish you luck, I couldn't get one for north america, I really think we need regional mailing list along with the regular one. They wanted to do it by language, which made no sense because North America, Australia, UK and most of the work speak english so if I want to send notice to the ambassadors of North America about things we need to do, I would have comments from other parts who don't understand what we are trying to do. As I stated before, if you speck French, you are most likely in France. If you speak German, you are most likely in Germany, and if you speak Greek, you are most like in Greek. The four languages I see an issue with setting up mailing list based on language they are English, Spanish, Arabic, and Portuguese. Those language are spoken over the world in different countries and I don't think you want to know we are having a fest in Atlanta and I need Ambassadors and users to come, just like I don't want to know you are needing Ambassador come to help Sydney, because we both know we can't travel to either town, it just way to expesive and Jos doesn't have the money to cover that. Just like I know Nelson probably doesn't want to know that Carlos is seeing up stuff in Brazil. I like to be able to send a e-mail to all the ambassadors in North America about things like needing hey, we have OSCON coming up in the bay area can someone go? With out ( sorry JDD/Kostas not picking on your guys ) people on the other side of the world telling how to run things. The main list make sense were we help as global community on all issue, and that one should be English. I am still hoping I can get northamerica-opensuse-ambassad...@opensuse.org, I think australian-opensuse-ambassad...@opensuse.org or australian-opens...@opensuse.org. Maybe Bryen, Henne, and Jos will see why I asked for my list. Chuck -- (678) 636-9678 - Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. - openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
send a mail at ad...@opensuse.org On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Helen South wrote: > The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is > the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our > presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local > discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering > other lists . I know there's been some discussion around local lists > recently - was there any consensus regarding use of email lists? I'd > be keen to go ahead with this if that's ok. > > Who should I ask to approve and implement the list? > > thanks > > Helen > > -- > IRC: helen_au > helen.so...@opensuse.org > helensouth.com > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
The Aussie Ambassador, Tim Serong and I agree that a mailing list is the preferred means of communication for Australian users. With our presence in Australia growing stronger, a separate list for local discussion would allow us to activities and events without cluttering other lists . I know there's been some discussion around local lists recently - was there any consensus regarding use of email lists? I'd be keen to go ahead with this if that's ok. Who should I ask to approve and implement the list? thanks Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.so...@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
