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Well, if we can't send them questions, how can we ask them? 



--On Friday, February 16, 2001 10:04 AM +1100 Mike Cannon-Brookes 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> If I might put up an impassioned plea at this point (on behalf of Marcus,
> myself and anyone else who regularly gets Orion support questions in
> their personal inbox)
>
> DO NOT SEND YOUR QUESTIONS TO ANYONE'S PERSONAL ADDRESS WITHOUT ASKING
> THEM
>
> Keep your questions on the list, we see them there too.
>
> -mike
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Magnus Rydin
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:49 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: SV: Last posting
>
>
>
> Whoa!
> Hold your mails! Hold your mails!
> Im just a contributor like the rest of you :)
> WR
>
>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Skickat: den 15 februari 2001 05:17
>> Till: Orion-Interest
>> Ämne: Re: Last posting
>>
>>
>> If you don't get your answer within 2-3 days, people don't
>> know the answer.
>> If that is the case, try to get in contact with Magnus Rydin
>> or someone else
>> in the Orion team. I know it is very difficult to get in
>> touch with them,
>> and I guess time zone differences are making it worse, but if
>> you do you
>> usually get the answer you need instantly. Not always the
>> answer you want...
>> But that's something else.
>>
>> As a little hint in comparing Orion to any other J2EE
>> application server out
>> there, Orion is the one that gets you up and running with
>> least effort. It
>> is even easier than Suns reference implementation, but then I
>> have installed
>> Orion 10-20 times, so I'm not sure if I'm being objective.
>>
>> Long complicated questions on this list seems to get by
>> without answers,
>> especially if they are not very precise. And as Bronwen
>> Cassidy said very
>> insightfully : ...this is more a  "I HOPE SOMEONE ANSWERS" forum...
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cliff Rowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:37 AM
>> Subject: RE: Last posting
>>
>>
>> > Tim, thankyou for your mature and decent reply - it is very much
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> > I must apologise for being rather obtrusive, I am almost
>> ready to crack
>> and
>> > 'let them take me away', and everyone seems to be taking a
>> fair whack from
>> > it just recently.  Some people react like bulldogs, and
>> some people care
>> to
>> > remember they are dealing with real people with real problems.
>> >
>> > Sorry if I caused you any displeasure.
>> >
>> > Cliff
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>> Tim Endres
>> > > Sent: 15 February 2001 03:22
>> > > To: Orion-Interest
>> > > Subject: Re: Last posting
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Cliff,
>> > >
>> > > I think your posting was sufficiently complex and general
>> that it was
>> > > unlikely to generate a reponse. Speaking for myself, but
>> suspecting
>> > > that it applies to other "professionals", I am very busy,
>> and do not
>> > > have the time to devote to such a response. Sorry.
>> > >
>> > > However, I believe you would be more likely to get a
>> reply if you try
>> > > asking specific questions.
>> > >
>> > > tim.
>> > >
>> > > > -

RE: ms access & Orion?

[Joseph B. Ottinger]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:

> I am sure, at one point in time, the same was true with Apache.  But
> now that the kid has grown up, look where it is today.  Which is why I

Yeah, look where apache is today - used everywhere by people who don't
need it to do much, which fits its capabilities really well.

> make a big distinction between a plain open source, and a mature open
> source.  Things like Apache, Linux, Mysql, and Postgresql are mature
> open source -- partly due to the fact that they been around for a
> number of years.  Projects like Orion, Resin, Jboss, Tomcat, Enhydra,

They've been around for a number of years, meaning "for a while" - 0 is a
number, too, after all - and maturity always comes with
age. Unfortunately, quality doesn't.

> Openejb, and Jonas have the potential to become mature open source
> (yes, Orion is not open - piety), some more then others (like Jboss,
> Tomcat, and Openejb) and they probably will be.  People ask, for

Why do you say "pity?" (I'm assuming you don't mean "piety" here.) Why
should it be open source? Do you think you can apply patches faster than
the Orion team? (I don't think I could, nor do I think you could.) Do you
think you understand what the spec is well enough? Do you think you have
the discipline to keep to the spec even when it's retarded? I don't think
most people are. (I know that I'd be vastly tempted to fix the Servlet
API...) And do you REALLY think that the Orion team - which enjoys
development more than support - should be forced to change their chosen
business model just because YOU think YOU could do better with THEIR
source than THEY can? They enjoy what they're doing and how they're doing
it, and their model fits them. Going open source means that they get
relegated to supplying services only, which may indeed be profitable, but
is profit the only motive? (I say no, because if it were, they'd sell
Orion for more money.)

[SNIP!]

Personally, I certainly benefit from open source, but
realistically... it's not always the perfect solution.

---
Joseph B. Ottinger   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant

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I'm not sure if it's already been discussed and I missed it, but is anyone
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> Looks like you need to add the directory containing 'com/evermind/.'
to
> the classpath
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> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:39 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Orion doesn't work.
>
>
> I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
> HELP!
>
>
> All brand new:
> Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5
>
> [geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
> [geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)
>
>
> Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK
seems
> to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.
Does
> some .jar file need to be expanded???
>
> HELP!
> --
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> -Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
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> ...
> t e r r a s c o p e  (415) 951-4944
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even though all servers must support the spec to be
j2ee compliant, an app server vendor may add a range
of additional services or enterprise capabilities to
differentiate themselves.  for example, i work for a
company called gemstone, which produces an app server
for java (we also make one for smalltalk) that we're
aiming to be certified j2ee compliant by sun by march
15.  in addition to supporting the j2ee 1.2 spec, our
server also contains an object repository (useful for
caching or as a db of record -- imagine no o/r mapping
for ejbs), a corba orb and its own version of the jvm.
 we license sun's jvm sourcecode, and our server has
the capability to distribute workload among multiple
activated vm's.  as the load increases, more jvms are
started up to handle it (either on the same machine,
or another).  a single vm can only handle 100-200
concurrent connections before it is tapped out.  plus
there is a broad suite of swing-based and cmd-line
utilities, monitors, etc. for our server. (one thing
we don't include is a webserver -- you must connect it
to apache or iplanet.)

i don't know how much disk space the installation
images require, but i imagine quite a lot as the
source code alone takes up about 250mb.  there is
included also a lot of instrumentation inside that can
be turned on or off, enabling fine-grained debugging
when things go wrong.

that perhaps explains the range of image sizes.  even
though it only takes 10-20 mb of code to implement the
spec, other servers may add features in an attempt to
differentiate themselves.

bradley mclain

--- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP
> engines and EJB servers are approximately equal,
> then what explains the size differences in the
> following examples?
> Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1
> Gig
>   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about
> not having any perfumed bubble bath beads, like the
> higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions. 
> What could possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP
> engines and EJB servers are supposed to have similar
> or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how
> much space does Weblogic take up? Where are the
> perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 
> 
> 


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[LouisVoo]

Why I keep receving this mail???  Any problem in this mailing list?





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> If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to
get transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use
transactions.  Their support and documentation is first class (are you
taking notes here Orion?  There is
>
>  a quiz next week).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
>
>
> Thank to all of u guys
> I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a
hard time though i works sometimes
> Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> Respect
> what a Great e-mailing list
> faisal
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Thomas   Pridham
> To: Orion-Interest 
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
>
> Two other free RDMS's are:
>
> 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) -
originally developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product
in a commercial environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great
on Win2000.  This DB has a JDB
>
> C client.  This is a cross platform DB.
>
> 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/
 ) - open sourced by SAP.  I
have not worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type
4 JDBC driver.  This is a cross-platform
>
>  DB.
>
> Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
>
>
> Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so,
then it should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But
why would you want to do this?  A better solution would be to work with
something like Postgresql ( www.po
>
> stgresql.org  ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com
 ), if you don't have a commercial database (like
Oracle) available.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
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>
>
> does ms access  work with Orion
> ?
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I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
HELP!


All brand new:
Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5

[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)


Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK seems
to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.  Does
some .jar file need to be expanded???

HELP!
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Thanks man!  I really appreciate your reply
It is working fine now
Respect
faisal
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  From: Patrik Andersson 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: jdbc:leaked connection


  The problem can occur if you use code like:

  try {
  Connection c = // .. aquire connection
  performOperation(c);
  c.close();
  } catch (SQLException sqe) {
  // report error
  }

  Because that means that your connection will not be closed if:
  1) You don't close it in the catch clause
  2) You get some kind of unchecked exception: i.e: java.lang.RuntimeException
  because any of those will return your function without the "c.close();" having been 
run at all.

  Instead use code like:
  Connection c = null;
  try {
  c = // .. aquire connection
  performOperation(c);
  } catch (SQLException sqle) {
  // report error
  } finally {
  if (c != null) {
  c.close();
  }
  }
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From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 15 februari 2001 18:36
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: jdbc:leaked connection



Can u ,please, tell me what is  this weird "leaked connection" in my code all my  
connection are closed 
I used the Djdbc but it is no help
Has any  of Orion users met this  before
thank u in advance

Orion/1.4.7 initialized
OrionCMTConnection not closed, check your code!
LogicalDriverManagerXAConnection not closed, check your code!
(Use -Djdbc.connection.debug=true to find out where the leaked connection was cr
eated)

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Correction:

We ran a profiler on the Orion VM & it showed that the server hold the beans
in a List object so the GC cannot have it.  Further, the server aint
passivating.  We wrote to Orion & they admitted it as a bug.

Jaco

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Victor A.
Salaman
Sent: 16 February 2001 06:22
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Orion Server running out of memory fast!


Well, not to rant here, but your first mistake is using mysql... it's not
designed for ejb/transaction work even though it's been recently kludged to
apparently do that. The second might be a leaky mysql jdbc driver (yes, this
is a known fact). The third might be in your code, and lastly it could be
Orion. Although the last is very unlikely. If you look at the list, a lot of
people have had this problem before... While investigating the problem, the
following common factors arose:

1. Using of mysql
2. Using MS-SQL or MS-Access with JDBC-ODBC driver.
3. Bad JVM

None of the reported cases have traced back to Orion. So before reporting it
as a bug, please track your memory usage using something like OptimizeIt. If
it turns out to be an Orion bug, log it in Bugzilla and the Orion Team will
look at it and provide more assistance.

-- Victor

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From: Peter Kua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:21 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Orion Server running out of memory fast!


hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

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I need to deny access to our orion ejb application from external IP
addresses.

I know about firewall options I have, but wish to know how to do this at IP
level.

is there any files that I can modify so that the orion web server only
services request from specific internal IP addresses?


tia
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I appreciate the support, I realise that Orion is not charging huge CASH$
and as such is more limited as to the support they can provide. But, I think
that providing details on application deployment to make it easy for people
would go a long way to getting the server on the map and making the Orion
people a few bucks.

 Microsoft is huge commercial success for making their products easy to use
for the most part. I am not a fan and I have many beef's with their many
times buggy products but none the less, they are easy to install and run
with and that makes them the number one money maker.

I hope my point is well taken,

Stefan

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Indeed

We then ran a test program that creates a simple entity bean in an infinite
loop and then releases the reference of this entity bean. We ran a profiler
on the VM and counted the memory instances. It turns out that
even though memory seems to be running out, orion does not passivate the
beans that are not being used anymore.  Only halve of our projects have this
bug, we cannot see the pattern yet.  Of course the bigger project with the
tighter deadline has it too.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said thanx and they'd fix it, but they cannot give
an estimate of when - we've been waiting for 3 months now.  Up to 1.4.5 you
could not limit the pool size, so there aint no way to force it to start
passivating.

Regards
Jaco

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Kua
Sent: 16 February 2001 05:21
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Subject: Orion Server running out of memory fast!


hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

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> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)

 ^

You appear to be running the Kaffe JVM and not the Sun
JVM.  Kaffe is a standard RedHat/Mandrake install product.
If you don't want it remove it "rpm -e kaffe".  Else make
sure JAVA_HOME (or whatever orion uses to find java) is
pointing to the Sun jdk.

-tim

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I agree with all the points you mentioned. That is why I am here, we want to
move away form IIS as well.

Stefan

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Konstantin Polyzois wrote:

> I am developing an app where there will be some xml-files generated. I want
> the user to save these to his hard drive. The problem is that Internet
> Exploder always displays xml. Is there some MIME type or some trick to make
> Exploder pop up a "save as dialog" instead?

As this feature is not offered in HTTP spec, you're off in uncharted
waters, relying on how the user has his browser configured. You could try
spoofing a MIME type usually associated with "save to disk" action, but
you have no true control over this.

The "Content-Disposition" header Roger suggested is not HTTP/1.1 standard.
I have no clue which browsers support it and how.

Ofcourse, you _could_ make the conscious decision of supporting only users
with the latest version of IE, and f**k the rest. Then there probably is a
kludge, perhaps even documented in some M$ archive.

> I have thought about letting the
> user "right click" an anchor and letting him "choose save target as.." but I
> think it is a little uggly.

It's not ugly. It's simply beyond the capability of many users...

//Mikko

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This is getting on my nerves. Any chance of stopping it?

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See below...

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Geoff Marshall wrote:

> I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
> HELP!
> 
> 
> All brand new:
> Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5
> 
> [geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
> [geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
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Whoops! kaffe.jar... ouch! Kaffe isn't a JVM that can run Orion. You'll
have to get either blackdown, IBM, or Sun. 

> 
> Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK
seems
> to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.
Does
> some .jar file need to be expanded???
> 
> HELP!
> -- 
> 
> -Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
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Hi,

We have done this. By writing a tree part solution. We wrote a little
servlet that sets up default things in a singelton class that handels all
log calls through it. We than also wrote a jsp page to set the debuglevels
for classes. As you know log4j defaults to info. turning on debug and
warnings ar done trough this page. It works great.

On the client side we use the same singeltonclass in the clients and have
writen a little bean that we uses to turn on and of debuging dynamicly on
the client.

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From: Hee Meng, Poh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:50 AM
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Subject: Using Log4j With Orion


Hi,

Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
web and ejb components.
What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?

Thanks for any info.

Regards

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Hi,

Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
web and ejb components.
What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?

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Regards

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"Hee Meng, Poh" wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
> web and ejb components.
> What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> Regards
I am using both tools. You have to remember that EJB are kind of
unwilling to giv you access IO Streams. In out case, we use JMS for
logging. We read the Property file as a resource with the ClassLoader
and let the PropertyConfigurator parse the Properties directly.
Regards
Armin Rauch

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the debug does not seem to work, I agree!

But it is usually an error in the code causing this message. 

Make sure that the connection.close(); is in the finally statement (alone, no 
stmt.close(); or rs.close(), just connection.close() ) and you'd probably get rid of 
the errormessage...

Johan 
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  From: faisal 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:35 PM
  Subject: jdbc:leaked connection



  Can u ,please, tell me what is  this weird "leaked connection" in my code all my  
connection are closed 
  I used the Djdbc but it is no help
  Has any  of Orion users met this  before
  thank u in advance

  Orion/1.4.7 initialized
  OrionCMTConnection not closed, check your code!
  LogicalDriverManagerXAConnection not closed, check your code!
  (Use -Djdbc.connection.debug=true to find out where the leaked connection was cr
  eated)

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WebLogic 6.0 tooks up 80 Mbytes.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Randy-W18971
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads
> 
> 
> Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB 
> servers are approximately equal, then what explains the size 
> differences in the following examples?
> Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
>   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having 
> any perfumed bubble bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  
> So I ask these questions.  What could possible take up 1 gig, 
> when all JSP engines and EJB servers are supposed to have similar 
> or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how much space 
> does Weblogic take up? Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads 
> in the 1 gig space? 
> 
> 

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[Ernst de Haan]

Hi,

I would like to express my happiness wrt the fact that Orion is 100% pure Java
code (not the TM-version of that term, perhaps) so it runs on my FreeBSD box
too, with different JDKs (including FreeBSD JDK 1.2.2b10, Sun Linux JDK
1.3.0/1.3.0_01, Blackdown JDK 1.2, etc.)

Actually we plan bringing our J2EE application server online in a few months
on a FreeBSD box. It may not have the best Java implementation available, but
we've run our prototypes on it for months, without any problems (no crashes
whatsoever).

Thanks guys! (hail hail!)   ;)

--
Ernst


Tim Endres wrote:
> > Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
> > believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
> > pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).
> 
> I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.
> 
> I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
> Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
> marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
> We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.
> 
> Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
> about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
> complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
> little change to the deployment.
> 
> If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
> then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!
> 
> tim.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[faisal]

Hi Kemp
well this is comletely off-topic
I think that u remember when u  replied me in jboss mailing list about
applying orion application on jboss
I found out that the prblem is the j2ee dtd at  the beginning of  ejb.jar
,web.xml and application.xml
just want to let u know -  or u must know by now
faisal
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> Thanks for the long and well thought out answer.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bradley mclain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:07 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads
>
>
> even though all servers must support the spec to be
> j2ee compliant, an app server vendor may add a range
> of additional services or enterprise capabilities to
> differentiate themselves.  for example, i work for a
> company called gemstone, which produces an app server
> for java (we also make one for smalltalk) that we're
> aiming to be certified j2ee compliant by sun by march
> 15.  in addition to supporting the j2ee 1.2 spec, our
> server also contains an object repository (useful for
> caching or as a db of record -- imagine no o/r mapping
> for ejbs), a corba orb and its own version of the jvm.
>  we license sun's jvm sourcecode, and our server has
> the capability to distribute workload among multiple
> activated vm's.  as the load increases, more jvms are
> started up to handle it (either on the same machine,
> or another).  a single vm can only handle 100-200
> concurrent connections before it is tapped out.  plus
> there is a broad suite of swing-based and cmd-line
> utilities, monitors, etc. for our server. (one thing
> we don't include is a webserver -- you must connect it
> to apache or iplanet.)
>
> i don't know how much disk space the installation
> images require, but i imagine quite a lot as the
> source code alone takes up about 250mb.  there is
> included also a lot of instrumentation inside that can
> be turned on or off, enabling fine-grained debugging
> when things go wrong.
>
> that perhaps explains the range of image sizes.  even
> though it only takes 10-20 mb of code to implement the
> spec, other servers may add features in an attempt to
> differentiate themselves.
>
> bradley mclain
>
> --- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP
> > engines and EJB servers are approximately equal,
> > then what explains the size differences in the
> > following examples?
> > Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> > Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> > Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> > Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> > Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> > Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1
> > Gig
> >   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about
> > not having any perfumed bubble bath beads, like the
> > higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions.
> > What could possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP
> > engines and EJB servers are supposed to have similar
> > or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how
> > much space does Weblogic take up? Where are the
> > perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space?
> >
> >
>
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Re: Is it just me?

[nickm]

No, I am getting this too, I concur!!

Stefan

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NOVICE Question about orion and mysql

[Andres Garcia Hourcade]

i changed orion-primer-cmp to use mysql 3.22
the mysql server is up and running, the app. works fine with hsql, but in
mysql i have to create database and tables manually, because it cannot
auto-create them
what else may i config, or where i could find any tips ?
thanks in advanced


attached config/datasource.xml

RE: How to deploy?

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I'm not sure the same lessons apply; while still a small company by BEA
standards, Unify has a lot of mouths to feed.  Other than 1999, it looks
like all of their years have been unprofitable, and 2000 was
dramatically so.  They've been financing this with equity issues, but at
the current valuation, that tap is now off.  If they don't get enough
sales volume to offset the dramatically decreased price and then some,
it's going to get ugly.  It's hard to tell when because I can't seem to
find any information more recent than statements for the year ending
April 2000.  They lost $7 million in the year ending 2000, but their
balance sheet was still $10 million on the positive side.  There is
still hope.
 
I doubt Ironflare/Orion has anything near the $2 million/month burn rate
that Unify does.  I'm speculating it's something like 1/50th that (or
less).  You don't need to sell too many licenses to keep the company
going; there is something to be said for growing a company slowly rather
than explosively.  Unfortunately one of those things is *not* that it
rapidly produces the documentation and tech support everyone would
like...
 
Of course, I'm not an expert, so don't take any of this as investment
advice :-)
 
Amusing chart, not atypical for a loss-leading tech company:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.asp?Symbol=unfy

&DateRangeForm=1&CP=0&PT=7&C5=1&C6=&C7=1&C8=&C9=2&ComparisonsForm=1&CE=0
&DisplayForm=1&D9=1&D0=1&D4=1&D7=&D6=&D3=0&ShowChtBt.x=28&ShowChtBt.y=4
 
This makes for entertaining reading, as such things go:
http://www.unify.com/Corporate/press/12-20-00.htm
 
 
Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:34 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: How to deploy?


The step by step documentation should be in the Orion documentation, but
it is not.
  
  Orion: here is a riddle for you.
If you put an injured bull in a ring, and someone is trying
to tease him, what would happen?
What does this riddle mean?  If a company like Unify is
having financial troubles, slashes prices on their product, have only
two products to market, and it is do or die for them, will they fight
like the injured bull or take a nap?  Are you guys at Orion takes some
notes?  There will be a quiz in the near future.  

-Original Message-
From: catjava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:02 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: How to deploy?


Thanks,But i want a step by step setup document,who can help me?

RE: Orion doesn't work.

[Jeff Schnitzer]

Kaffe is the Open Source implementation of Java that is shipped with
most flavors of Linux.  It looks like the Kaffe version of the java
command is higher up in the path than the Sun JDK java command, thus you
are running the wrong JVM.

I suggest "rpm --erase kaffe".  That should solve your problem.

Jeff

>-Original Message-
>From: Geoff Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:10 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: Orion doesn't work.
>
>
>
>I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem 
>I'm having.
>HELP!
>
>
>All brand new:
>Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5
>
>[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
>[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
>java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
>at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
>at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
>at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)
>
>
>Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The 
>JDK/SDK seems
>to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java 
>applications, etc.  Does
>some .jar file need to be expanded???
>
>HELP!
>-- 
>
>-Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
>
>...
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>54 Mint Street, Suite 110 direct (415) 625-0349
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>
>-Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
>
>...
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[vandycan]

Natalie,

The problem appears to be with the Orion folk's listserver.

Mike Van

Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Ernst de Haan]

And I heard that IBM doesn't provide support for WebsPhear if your box doesn't
have at *least* 1 GB of internal memory (!) Can anyone confirm that ? And if
so, what would they need 1 GB for ? Static caches or so I guess. *BIG* static
caches.

(Not that I wouldn't like to have a good reason to upgrade my workstation from
the lousy 384 MB it's having now ;-P )

--
Ernst


Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
> Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB servers are 
>approximately equal, then what explains the size differences in the following 
>examples?
> Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
>   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having any perfumed bubble 
>bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions.  What could 
>possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP engines and EJB servers are supposed to have 
>similar or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how much space does Weblogic 
>take up? Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Orion doesn't work.

[Andre Vanha]

For Orion to work you shouldn't have to modify your classpath since it uses
the JDK1.2 extension mechanism (Classpath specified in the jar manifest).
If it's not working its most likely a jvm issue.  When you type java
-version what do you get?

Andre

-Original Message-
From: SureTicket.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:35 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Orion doesn't work.


You need to make sure you setup your CLASSPATH right, if it is
then you unziped all over your computer ;) I mean distibution is
half assed. download and reinstall/reconfigure



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Geoff Marshall
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:10 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Orion doesn't work.



I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
HELP!


All brand new:
Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5

[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)


Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK seems
to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.  Does
some .jar file need to be expanded???

HELP!
-- 

-Geoff Marshall, Director of Development

...
t e r r a s c o p e  (415) 951-4944
54 Mint Street, Suite 110 direct (415) 625-0349
San Francisco, CA  94103 fax (415) 625-0306
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...
t e r r a s c o p e  (415) 951-4944
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RE: How to configure datasources

[Andre Vanha]

Take a look at http://www.orionserver.com/docs/api/index.html.



-Original Message-
From: Frank Eggink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:44 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: How to configure datasources


To be honest I know little about how to configure datasources for Orion.

What should I read to understand the differences between the classes you can
specify in 'data-sources.xml'?

Thanks,
FE

Frank Eggink
Swift Applications
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RE: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Andre Vanha]

Although perfumed bubble bath beads are nice and fun to use, sometimes their
aroma can be nauseating.

In my opinion the less code the better. Less bugs, and quicker fixes.  
The company I work for now uses iPlanet, and I really miss working with
Orion.  In my opinion even the beta version of Orion were more stable than
IAS6 is now.  

There are several reasons IAS is so big, and I would assume the other heavy
weights for similar reasons.

IPlanet used to be Netscape Application Server which used to be Kiva
Application server before the days of J2EE, and it includes support for
Applogics (Proprietary api for writing servlet-like-things in C++).  All the
J2EE features were just tacked on, and I doubt anybody cleaned up the old
code, so there's a lot of legacy baggage.

 - Full clustering support at all levels.
 - Netscape Directory Server for LDAP backed JNDI and authentication.
 - Netscape Administration Server and Console
 - iPlanet Web Server - Based on Netscape Enterprise Server.
 - 400+ pages of documentation
 - Lots of buggy deployment and packaging tools - Something orion has in
common ;)
 - Broken ejb compilers (On Solaris)
 - A great feature which randomly throws ClassCast exceptions when using
SFSBs.
 - AbstractMethod exceptions in compiled jsps.

Although my last three points are just vents of frustration, the point I'm
trying to make is that size!=quality.  Sure iPlanet in a cluster
configuration can handle more 
requests than Orion, but at $40K+ per server, its probably better to run
several cheaper servers and buy an expensive, hardware based load balancer.

I think oracle 9I AS brings a lot of database integration to the server, and
when you look at just the size of the Net8 client, 1Gig doesn't sound that
far-fetched.

Last of all, everyone is always complaining about orion's documentation.
True, Orion doesn't provide hand-holding documentation, and the existing
docs could definitely use improvement, but there is certainly enough there
to get a basic app up and running.  iPlanet comes with a 200 page
developer's guide, a 100 page administrator's guide and lots of supplements.
How much value do they add?  To a complete J2EE beginner, probably some, but
their news group contains almost as many and the same type of questions as
the orion list.  Orion is a J2EE server, so to use it, and any other J2EE
server, you need to understand J2EE.  J2EE is complex (that's why we get
paid the big bucks),  but once you get at least a basic understanding
(things like EARs, WARs, EJB-JARs and resource-refs) the only documentation
you'll need is for server specific configuration, and the orion docs pretty
much cover that.  
I agree some of the advanced features (such as SSL, JMS and such) are
lacking, but even those were sufficient to get me up and running although it
took longer.

I admit I'm biased since I learned J2EE on Orion, but in my experience,
Orion is fairly easy to work with compared to IAS and Weblogic.  Maybe I
need to take a look at some of these other servers since everyone is raving
about their documentation.

Andre


-Original Message-
From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:06 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads


Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB servers are
approximately equal, then what explains the size differences in the
following examples?
Latest production Orion - 10 MG
Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
  In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having any perfumed
bubble bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions.
What could possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP engines and EJB servers are
supposed to have similar or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how
much space does Weblogic take up? Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads
in the 1 gig space? 

RE: Remove me from this mailing list

[Andre Vanha]

Is there a problem with the subscribe/unsubscribe form? It's always worked
for me.
http://www.orionserver.com/subscribe.html

If you can't work the form, how do you expect to work with J2EE?

Andre


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Subject: Remove me from this mailing list



Please remove me from this mailing list

RE: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Mike Cannon-Brookes]

This doesn't surprise me. I tried to get WebsFear to LOAD on my machine with
256mb of memory, after going away to eat dinner for over an hour and
returning, it was still just churning the hard drive.

Mike

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ernst de Haan
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:12 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads
>
>
> And I heard that IBM doesn't provide support for WebsPhear if
> your box doesn't
> have at *least* 1 GB of internal memory (!) Can anyone confirm
> that ? And if
> so, what would they need 1 GB for ? Static caches or so I guess.
> *BIG* static
> caches.
>
> (Not that I wouldn't like to have a good reason to upgrade my
> workstation from
> the lousy 384 MB it's having now ;-P )
>
> --
> Ernst
>
>
> Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
> > Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB
> servers are approximately equal, then what explains the size
> differences in the following examples?
> > Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> > Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> > Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> > Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> > Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> > Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
> >   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having
> any perfumed bubble bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.
> So I ask these questions.  What could possible take up 1 gig,
> when all JSP engines and EJB servers are supposed to have similar
> or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how much space
> does Weblogic take up? Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads
> in the 1 gig space?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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To be honest I know little about how to configure datasources for Orion.

What should I read to understand the differences between the classes you can specify 
in 'data-sources.xml'?

Thanks,
FE

Frank Eggink
Swift Applications
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RE: Is it just me?

[Duffey, Kevin]

It is not just you. I have got some 100+ emails like this as well. It would
be nice to see him removed from the list.

Thanks.


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Is it just me?
> 
> 
> My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
> delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever the owner of 
> this list is,
> please, take that e-mail address off the list.
> 
> Sincerely,
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> Chief Architect
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> 

Re: VARCHAR values are always the length of the field

[Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter]

I think that all are crazy... I have one wizard in my company that create
persistent classes that are so easy, not
"deploy-then-copy-to-here-then-change-then-copy-to-there-then-deploy"!!!

Why not Application Deployment Wizard does not ask for what datasource we
want to use, what table name, and presents some type of window to do the O-R
mapping (using dbschema as defaults, for ones that want to use defaults)?

M2c


Edson Richter


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From: Joseph B. Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: VARCHAR values are always the length of the field


> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Mikko Kurki-Suonio wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote:
> >
> > > But, how can I configure some Strings to VARCHAR(25) and others to
> > > VARCHAR(100) in the ejb-jar.xml???
> >
> > Basically, you can't.
> >
> > BUT: You can hand-create the appropriate tables with the appropriate
> > column types before deployment (or, depending on RDBMS capabilities,
alter
> > them afterwards). As I understand it, the database schema mapping is
only
> > really used during table autocreation.
>
> You can also set the persistence types in orion-ejb-jar.xml.
>
> The easy way to do this: deploy, let orion autocreate the tables; then
> copy $ORION/application-deployments/[your app]/[your ejb
> dir]/orion-ejb-jar.xml to an /orion dir in your EJB dir... hmm, man, that
> sounds awful. It's a lot easier to show than it is to explain.
>
> Let's assume your application is /projects/appA, called "appA," and your
> EJB is in a directory,
> appA/myejb. In that case, you'd copy
> /usr/local/orion/application-deployments/appA/myejb/orion-ejb-jar.xml to
> /projects/appA/myejb/orion/orion-ejb-jar.xml.
>
> Now modify the copy in appA/myejb/orion/orion-ejb-jar.xml to include the
> persistence-type attribute.
>
> Whew! Now you delete the deployment directory and destroy the tables
> created for the EJBs (the tables with the default attribute sizes.)
> Redeploy; it'll now use the persistence types from the orion-ejb-jar.xml.
>
> ---
> Joseph B. Ottinger   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
>
>
>

Re: Using Log4j With Orion

[Arthur Copeland]

yes, i use it and it works GREAT.

artie

"Hee Meng, Poh" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
> web and ejb components.
> What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Regards

Weirdness on Reload

[orion]

Hello,
After I create a record in a DB, I come back to a 
list page, where I see the newly
created data row on the list page. OK so far. If I 
press the browser's reload button
the same row as the newly created one duplicates 
itself. Everytime I press the
reload button, it keeps adding the identical data 
record in the DB.
What gives? Please give me any clue.
I really appreciate any idea in 
advance.
 
Simon,
 

Applet AccessDeniedException

[John McManus]

I saw a posting about this with not answer so months ago, so here goes.

Short story is an Applet looking up a session bean using jndi.  I get an 
AccessControlException access denied message.  I have an 
application-client.xml file, what I believe is the right principal and 
credentials that I'm putting into the env before doing the lookup.  I'm 
using the user=admin, group is users and password is 123 as show in the 
principals.cml file.  Any ideas on this one?

Thanks in Advance

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Re: ms access & Orion?faisal again

[faisal]

Thank u
Last request  from u guys
Which is of those two MySql or Postegrel is  most likely have better
performane with EJB PMP ?
thanks
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Endres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?


> However, MySQL support has not always been that "first class". I can
remember the days when
> MySQL support was much like Orion support today - you needed the mailing
list!
>
> Lets hope that Orion can make the same transition to providing strong
support.
>
> tim.
>
> > If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first
to get transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use
transactions.  Their support and documentation is first class (are you
taking notes here Orion?  There is a quiz next week).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
> >
> >
> > Thank to all of u guys
> > I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a
hard time though i works sometimes
> > Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> > Respect
> > what a Great e-mailing list
> > faisal
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Thomas   Pridham
> > To: Orion-Interest 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> >
> > Two other free RDMS's are:
> >
> > 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) -
originally developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product
in a commercial environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great
on Win2000.  This DB has a JDBC client.  This is a cross platform DB.
> >
> > 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/
 ) - open sourced by SAP.  I
have not worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type
4 JDBC driver.  This is a cross-platform DB.
> >
> > Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> >
> >
> > Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so,
then it should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But
why would you want to do this?  A better solution would be to work with
something like Postgresql ( www.postgresql.org
 ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com
 ), if you don't have a commercial database (like
Oracle) available.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: ms access & Orion?
> >
> >
> > does ms access  work with Orion
> > ?
> >
>
>

Re: Unsent Message Returned to Sender

[Nvaslav]

Who knows why did we get all unsent messages. I've got hundreds of them.

Thank you,

Natalie Vaslavsky 

Re: Is it just me?

[Steven Gardell]

At the risk of further polluting our mailboxes. Not just you

Steve Gardell
Iperia, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Is it just me?


> My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
> delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever the owner of this list is,
> please, take that e-mail address off the list.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Dan Cramer
> Chief Architect
> Dynamic Resolve, LLC
> Internet Solutions Consulting
> 
> 

RE: VS.: Not authorized to view this page

[Kemp Randy-W18971]

The difference is very simple: there is no real difference -- no time out version, 
limited version, etc., that is found with other commercial products, which is a nice 
feature indeed.  If you are a developer or not making a profit, then you don't incur a 
license fee.  If you set up a school to teach java, for example, and use Orion but 
don't deploy the created beans on an Orion server to make money, it is non commercial.
   Orion has no plans to become open source, due to what they call a condition of the 
J2EE agreement with Sun.  This view has been supported in the letter archives of 
openEJB (www.openejb.org), which I shared a while back.  But another person from this 
list mentioned the terms of the J2EE document or agreement are vague.  From a 
practical standpoint, related projects like Tomcat, Resin, Jboss, Jonas, Enhydra, and 
openejb benefit from being open source, and I have an added level of security running 
Orion in a production environment.  If something breaks, and no one from a mailing 
list or support staff can help -- if I have some savvy upstairs, then I or someone 
from where I work can fix it ourselves.

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Munis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:06 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: SV: Not authorized to view this page



What's the difference between the commercial version of orion and the
standard version (version anyone can download? Are there some disable
features in the standard version ? When is orion going to be open source ?.

thanks -Original Message-
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page


Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
>   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
>information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
>Från: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Ämne: RE: Not authorized toview this page
>
>   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
>supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
>had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
>these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.
> -Original Message-
>From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: SV: Not authorized  to view this page
>
> Are the pages protected?
>Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app?
>What version of Orion are you running?
>More  information needed.
>WR  > -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05
>> Till: Orion-Interest
>> Ämne: Not  authorized to view this page
>>
>>
>> I get the message 'Not authorized  

Re: Is it just me?

[Nvaslav]

I get all of those messages too.

Natalie Vaslavsky

RE: Is it just me?

[Chandika Mendis]

Yes. same with mine. Very irritating.

Chandika

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Cramer
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:32 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Is it just me?


My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever the owner of this list is,
please, take that e-mail address off the list.

Sincerely,
Dan Cramer
Chief Architect
Dynamic Resolve, LLC
Internet Solutions Consulting

RE: Dependent-to-dependent relationships

[Globetrot Communications]

Are these direct calls, between intra-container EJB's,
specific to Orion? If so, how are conflicting settings
for transactions etc., for the communicating beans
resolved?

Satish Gupta


I entered this as bug #185 back in November.  Nothing
has 
 been resolved yet.  This isn't a huge issue
since the workaround 
 is simple: use ejb's for everything.  this
isn't as slow as it 
 sounds since intra-container ejb method calls
are direct and 
 do not use rmi. 

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RE: Is it just me?

[Arved Sandstrom]

No, it's not just you. I'm starting to develop some hostility, actually.

I think I'll unsubscribe for a week and check the archives until I see that
this Hydra finally died. :-)

Regards,
Arved Sandstrom

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Cramer
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:32 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Is it just me?


My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever the owner of this list is,
please, take that e-mail address off the list.

Sincerely,
Dan Cramer
Chief Architect
Dynamic Resolve, LLC
Internet Solutions Consulting

Remove me from this mailing list

[Ming-Fang Wang]

Please remove me from this mailing list

Re: Unsent Message Returned to Sender

[Mike Sick]

I'm not sure if it's already been discussed and I missed it, but is anyone
else getting tons of these bounce messages? Please remove this guy from the
list. Thanks in advance.

Mike


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From: "POSTMASTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Unsent Message Returned to Sender


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> 
>
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> delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s).
>
>   Original subject: Unsent Message Returned to Sender
>
> Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message:
>
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> delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s).
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>
> Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message:
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>  Original Message Text 
> Notice to Sender
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>
> This message was received by this installation but could not be
> delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s).
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>   Original subject: RE: Orion doesn't work.
>
> Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message:
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>  Original Message Text 
> Looks like you need to add the directory containing 'com/evermind/.'
to
> the classpath
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:39 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Orion doesn't work.
>
>
> I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
> HELP!
>
>
> All brand new:
> Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5
>
> [geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
> [geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)
>
>
> Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK
seems
> to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.
Does
> some .jar file need to be expanded???
>
> HELP!
> --
>
> -Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
>
> ...
> t e r r a s c o p e  (415) 951-4944
> 54 Mint Street, Suite 110 direct (415) 625-0349
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> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Is it just me?

[Kemp Randy-W18971]

Mine has been also. 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Cramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Is it just me?


My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever the owner of this list is,
please, take that e-mail address off the list.

Sincerely,
Dan Cramer
Chief Architect
Dynamic Resolve, LLC
Internet Solutions Consulting

RE: ms access & Orion?

[Kemp Randy-W18971]

I am sure, at one point in time, the same was true with Apache.  But now that the kid 
has grown up, look where it is today.  Which is why I make a big distinction between a 
plain open source, and a mature open source.  Things like Apache, Linux, Mysql, and 
Postgresql are mature open source -- partly due to the fact that they been around for 
a number of years.  Projects like Orion, Resin, Jboss, Tomcat, Enhydra, Openejb, and 
Jonas have the potential to become mature open source (yes, Orion is not open - 
piety), some more then others (like Jboss, Tomcat, and Openejb) and they probably will 
be.  People ask, for example -- should they run Jboss in a production environment.  
The answer depends on how big is the user load in the production environment.  Jboss 
doesn't currently support either horizontal or vertical clustering, and they have 
plans this year to implement vertical clustering.  If the project continues to mature, 
there may be future plans to add horizontal clustering. A !
!
!
user from this list mentioned Gemstone's ability to work among many distributed VM's.  
So I am sure, for example, that some environments have no problem running an RDMS like 
Oracle for large projects and an RDMS like Mysql or Postgresql for small projects.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Endres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:48 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?


However, MySQL support has not always been that "first class". I can remember the days 
when
MySQL support was much like Orion support today - you needed the mailing list!

Lets hope that Orion can make the same transition to providing strong support.

tim.

> If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to get 
>transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use transactions.  
>Their support and documentation is first class (are you taking notes here Orion?  
>There is a quiz next week). 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Thank to all of u guys
> I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a  hard time 
>though i works sometimes
> Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> Respect
> what a Great e-mailing list
> faisal
>  
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Thomas   Pridham 
> To: Orion-Interest   
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> Two other free RDMS's are:
>  
> 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) - originally 
>developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product in a commercial 
>environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great on Win2000.  This DB has 
>a JDBC client.  This is a cross platform DB.
>  
> 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/ 
> ) - open sourced by SAP.  I have not 
>worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type 4 JDBC driver.  
>This is a cross-platform DB.
>  
> Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so, then it 
>should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But why would you want 
>to do this?  A better solution would be to work with something like Postgresql ( 
>www.postgresql.org  ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com 
> ), if you don't have a commercial database (like Oracle) 
>available. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> does ms access  work with Orion 
> ?
> 

Re: Unsent Message Returned to Sender

[LouisVoo]

Why I keep receving this mail???  Any problem in this mailing list?





Regards,

Louis
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- Original Message -
From: "POSTMASTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: Unsent Message Returned to Sender


> Notice to Sender
> 
>
> This message was received by this installation but could not be
> delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s).
>
>   Original subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
>
> Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message:
>
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded:
>
>   ***  Message recipient is unknown  ***
>
>
>  Original Message Text 
> If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to
get transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use
transactions.  Their support and documentation is first class (are you
taking notes here Orion?  There is
>
>  a quiz next week).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
>
>
> Thank to all of u guys
> I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a
hard time though i works sometimes
> Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> Respect
> what a Great e-mailing list
> faisal
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Thomas   Pridham
> To: Orion-Interest 
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
>
> Two other free RDMS's are:
>
> 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) -
originally developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product
in a commercial environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great
on Win2000.  This DB has a JDB
>
> C client.  This is a cross platform DB.
>
> 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/
 ) - open sourced by SAP.  I
have not worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type
4 JDBC driver.  This is a cross-platform
>
>  DB.
>
> Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
>
>
> Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so,
then it should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But
why would you want to do this?  A better solution would be to work with
something like Postgresql ( www.po
>
> stgresql.org  ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com
 ), if you don't have a commercial database (like
Oracle) available.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: ms access & Orion?
>
>
> does ms access  work with Orion
> ?
>
>

Re: Using Log4j With Orion

[Arthur Copeland]

yes, i use it and it works GREAT.

artie

"Hee Meng, Poh" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
> web and ejb components.
> What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Regards

Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

[Ernst de Haan]

Hi,

I would like to express my happiness wrt the fact that Orion is 100% pure Java
code (not the TM-version of that term, perhaps) so it runs on my FreeBSD box
too, with different JDKs (including FreeBSD JDK 1.2.2b10, Sun Linux JDK
1.3.0/1.3.0_01, Blackdown JDK 1.2, etc.)

Actually we plan bringing our J2EE application server online in a few months
on a FreeBSD box. It may not have the best Java implementation available, but
we've run our prototypes on it for months, without any problems (no crashes
whatsoever).

Thanks guys! (hail hail!)   ;)

--
Ernst


Tim Endres wrote:
> > Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
> > believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
> > pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).
> 
> I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.
> 
> I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
> Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
> marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
> We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.
> 
> Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
> about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
> complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
> little change to the deployment.
> 
> If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
> then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!
> 
> tim.
> 
> 
> 

NOVICE Question about orion and mysql

[Andres Garcia Hourcade]

i changed orion-primer-cmp to use mysql 3.22
the mysql server is up and running, the app. works fine with hsql, but in
mysql i have to create database and tables manually, because it cannot
auto-create them
what else may i config, or where i could find any tips ?
thanks in advanced


attached config/datasource.xml

Re: Unsent Message Returned to Sender

[Nvaslav]

Who knows why did we get all unsent messages. I've got hundreds of them.

Thank you,

Natalie Vaslavsky 

Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Ernst de Haan]

And I heard that IBM doesn't provide support for WebsPhear if your box doesn't
have at *least* 1 GB of internal memory (!) Can anyone confirm that ? And if
so, what would they need 1 GB for ? Static caches or so I guess. *BIG* static
caches.

(Not that I wouldn't like to have a good reason to upgrade my workstation from
the lousy 384 MB it's having now ;-P )

--
Ernst


Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
> Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB servers are 
>approximately equal, then what explains the size differences in the following 
>examples?
> Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
>   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having any perfumed bubble 
>bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions.  What could 
>possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP engines and EJB servers are supposed to have 
>similar or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how much space does Weblogic 
>take up? Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 
> 
> 
> 

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hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

No Subject

[Eduardo Estefano]

When I run the application, a java login
box pops up when I try to access an EJB. How can I override that?

 

Thanks

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Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB servers are 
approximately equal, then what explains the size differences in the following examples?
Latest production Orion - 10 MG
Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
  In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having any perfumed bubble 
bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions.  What could 
possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP engines and EJB servers are supposed to have 
simila

r or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how much space does Weblogic take up? 
Where are the perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 

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Hi Magnus, Scott,

Magnus Rydin wrote:
> Dont be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
> information :)
---8<---
> I found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in
> the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename
> index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles
> considering that were talking about a comercial product.

Do you consider these bugs in the tutorial? If so, then please report them to
the author (me), include some more details, and I will investigate them. As
the Orion CMP Primer works for (virtually) everyone, and since I've had some
other things on my mind lately, I didn't check the last 5 or so emails with
remarks about the primers.

Please send your remarks and I will look into the issues.

--
Ernst


> -Original Message-
> From: Magnus Rydin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:24 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: SV: Not authorized to view this page
> 
> 
> 
> Are the pages protected? 
> Have you added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
> What version of Orion are you running? 
> More information needed. 
> WR 
> 
> > -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
> > Från: Adamson, Scott [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ] 
> > Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
> > Till: Orion-Interest 
> > Ämne: Not authorized to view this page 
> > 
> > 
> > I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when 
> > trying to run the 
> > addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working 
> > correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help 
> > much appreciated. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm 
> > running Orion on Win 
> > NT workstation 
> > trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
> > have access to 
> > something on my own machine ?? 
> > 
> > I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights 
> > anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list 
> > please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
> > deploying it within a 
> > 10 server cluster ($$$). 
> > 
> > regards, 
> > Scott. 
> > 
> > 
> 

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Sounds good, but WHERE does these parameters go?  I include a snippit of my
orion-ejb-jar.xml file...







Thanx
Jaco

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Doernberg
Sent: 14 February 2001 01:45
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Garbage collection, out of memory


When you deploy your application. Orion will generate an XML file called
orion-ejb-jar.xml, if one does not exist. The file is derived from your
EJBs.  The file can be found buried in the application-deployments
directory.

You can set some parameters on each EJB you deem appropriate. These
parameters are not set in the auto generated file.

The first is a "validity-timeout" set to milliseconds. This will passivate
the the EJB if not active.

The second is a parameter called "max-instances" . This is set to the max
number of EJBs of a particular type you want. I am not sure if this is
supported yet, but I believe it was supposed to be implemented in the 1.4.7.

Hope this help. Let me know what you figure out.

-Mike




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From: "Thomas Munro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: Garbage collection, out of memory


> Hello
>
> We are experiencing a garbage collection problem.  We are running Orion
> 1.4.7 on a Linux 2.4 box.  We have been trying the Sun 1.2.2, the Sun 1.3
> and the IBM JVM 1.3.  On the Sun 1.3 JVM we have tried normal garbage
> collection and also -Xincgc incremental garbage collection.  We run with
> 500 megabytes of heap space available to Java.
>
> The system uses lots of EJBs (mainly stateless session but also quite a
> few entities and a handful of stateful session beans), and we have JSP
> pages which run in the same JVM.
>
> The system runs very responsively and well, with up to 90 users
> simultaneously using it, for up to an hour.  Then enormous GCs start
> happening which block all activity for up to 180 seconds at a time!  The
> length and frequency of the freezes vary with the different JVMs but all
> are unusable after say an hour of up time.
>
> The Sun 1.3 in incremental GC mode is the best, and in fact remains stable
> and usable until it starts doing a few 9 second GCs from time to time
> (comparatively bearable) until we get a "HotSpot internal error" which
> stops all processing.
>
> We are trying all sorts of different things to stop our users getting
> upset, like reducing the JSP session timeout to a minimum, and are
> currently trying to analyse the code with JProbe to find out how to
> minimise unnecessary object creation or memory leaks (stale references to
> no longer used objects etc).
>
> As several list members have already said, it also seems that some beans
> are never passivated.
>
> What can we do to make Orion stop using more and more memory, and not to
> cause such outrageous garbage collection cycles?
>
> Any comments or suggestions would be very much appreciated.
>
> --
> Thomas Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  http://www.fullsix.com/
>  Fullsix Technology (Paris)
>
>

Weirdness on Reload

[orion]

Hello,
After I create a record in a DB, I come back to a 
list page, where I see the newly
created data row on the list page. OK so far. If I 
press the browser's reload button
the same row as the newly created one duplicates 
itself. Everytime I press the
reload button, it keeps adding the identical data 
record in the DB.
What gives? Please give me any clue.
I really appreciate any idea in 
advance.
 
Simon,
 

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote:

> But, how can I configure some Strings to VARCHAR(25) and others to
> VARCHAR(100) in the ejb-jar.xml???

Basically, you can't.

BUT: You can hand-create the appropriate tables with the appropriate
column types before deployment (or, depending on RDBMS capabilities, alter
them afterwards). As I understand it, the database schema mapping is only
really used during table autocreation.

//Mikko

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When I asked my question about the 1 gig software, here is one interesting answer I 
got (in the interest of confidentiality, I will keep their identity secret).

One of those that I know about is Orion.  It is seriously lacking in documentation or 
comprehensive examples.  It is more like a hotel room without a key than one without 
bath bubbles.  At least with tomcat, jboss, JOnAS and the other open source ones, 

you have active user groups and can always look at the source and make your own room 
key.

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Dont be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
information :)

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Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Skickat: den 15 februari 2001 13:49
Till: Orion-Interest
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I found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in
the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename
index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles
considering that were talking about a comercial product.

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
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Are the pages protected? 
Have you added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
What version of Orion are you running? 
More information needed. 
WR 

> -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
> Från: Adamson, Scott [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ] 
> Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
> Till: Orion-Interest 
> Ämne: Not authorized to view this page 
> 
> 
> I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when 
> trying to run the 
> addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working 
> correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help 
> much appreciated. 
> 
> 
> 
> Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm 
> running Orion on Win 
> NT workstation 
> trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
> have access to 
> something on my own machine ?? 
> 
> I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights 
> anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list 
> please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
> deploying it within a 
> 10 server cluster ($$$). 
> 
> regards, 
> Scott. 
> 
> 

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Mikko Kurki-Suonio wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote:
> 
> > But, how can I configure some Strings to VARCHAR(25) and others to
> > VARCHAR(100) in the ejb-jar.xml???
> 
> Basically, you can't.
> 
> BUT: You can hand-create the appropriate tables with the appropriate
> column types before deployment (or, depending on RDBMS capabilities, alter
> them afterwards). As I understand it, the database schema mapping is only
> really used during table autocreation.

You can also set the persistence types in orion-ejb-jar.xml.

The easy way to do this: deploy, let orion autocreate the tables; then
copy $ORION/application-deployments/[your app]/[your ejb
dir]/orion-ejb-jar.xml to an /orion dir in your EJB dir... hmm, man, that
sounds awful. It's a lot easier to show than it is to explain.

Let's assume your application is /projects/appA, called "appA," and your
EJB is in a directory,
appA/myejb. In that case, you'd copy
/usr/local/orion/application-deployments/appA/myejb/orion-ejb-jar.xml to
/projects/appA/myejb/orion/orion-ejb-jar.xml.

Now modify the copy in appA/myejb/orion/orion-ejb-jar.xml to include the
persistence-type attribute.

Whew! Now you delete the deployment directory and destroy the tables
created for the EJBs (the tables with the default attribute sizes.)
Redeploy; it'll now use the persistence types from the orion-ejb-jar.xml.

---
Joseph B. Ottinger   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant

Is it just me?

[Dan Cramer]

My inbox is being inundated by e-mails saying that mail couldn't be
delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are all coming from
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Internet Solutions Consulting

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If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to get 
transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use transactions.  
Their support and documentation is first class (are you taking notes here Orion?  
There is

 a quiz next week). 

-Original Message-
From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?


Thank to all of u guys
I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a  hard time 
though i works sometimes
Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
Respect
what a Great e-mailing list
faisal
 

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From: Thomas   Pridham 
To: Orion-Interest   
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?

Two other free RDMS's are:
 
1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) - originally 
developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product in a commercial 
environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great on Win2000.  This DB has a 
JDB

C client.  This is a cross platform DB.
 
2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/ 
 ) - open sourced by SAP.  I have not 
worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type 4 JDBC driver.  
This is a cross-platform

 DB.
 
Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)

-Original Message-
From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?


Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so, then it should 
be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But why would you want to do 
this?  A better solution would be to work with something like Postgresql ( www.po

stgresql.org  ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com 
 ), if you don't have a commercial database (like Oracle) 
available. 

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does ms access  work with Orion 
?

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hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

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I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
HELP!


All brand new:
Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5

[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)


Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK seems
to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.  Does
some .jar file need to be expanded???

HELP!
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Have you tried increasing the memory given to the JVM? Try java -?

-mike

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Kua
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:21 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Orion Server running out of memory fast!
>
>
> hello,
>
> we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.
>
> we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
> querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
> passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
> the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page
> calling a bean
> that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.
>
> we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
> out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.
>
> any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince
> my client
> that orion server is THE server of choice.
>
> thanks! peter kua
>
>
>

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Looks like you need to add the directory containing 'com/evermind/.'  to
the classpath

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Orion doesn't work.


I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
HELP!


All brand new:
Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5

[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)


Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it?  The JDK/SDK seems
to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.  Does
some .jar file need to be expanded???

HELP!
-- 

-Geoff Marshall, Director of Development

...
t e r r a s c o p e  (415) 951-4944
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You need to make sure you setup your CLASSPATH right, if it is
then you unziped all over your computer ;) I mean distibution is
half assed. download and reinstall/reconfigure



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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:10 PM
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Subject: Orion doesn't work.



I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having.
HELP!


All brand new:
Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5

[geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion
[geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)


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to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc.  Does
some .jar file need to be expanded???

HELP!
-- 

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...
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Mikko.
You may well be right that it is not HTTP/1.1 standard but it certainly
should be.  Netscape 4.7 and IE5 support it.  I have not checked earlier
versions of IE or Netscape.  Microsoft seems to regard problems in some
IE5.5's as a bug since they offer a patch.

Unless someone has a better idea, I am going with it.  It surprises me
that such an procedure should even be in question.

Roger

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From: "Mikko Kurki-Suonio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: MIME-types [off topic]


> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Konstantin Polyzois wrote:
>
> > I am developing an app where there will be some xml-files generated. I
want
> > the user to save these to his hard drive. The problem is that Internet
> > Exploder always displays xml. Is there some MIME type or some trick to
make
> > Exploder pop up a "save as dialog" instead?
>
> As this feature is not offered in HTTP spec, you're off in uncharted
> waters, relying on how the user has his browser configured. You could try
> spoofing a MIME type usually associated with "save to disk" action, but
> you have no true control over this.
>
> The "Content-Disposition" header Roger suggested is not HTTP/1.1 standard.
> I have no clue which browsers support it and how.
>
> Ofcourse, you _could_ make the conscious decision of supporting only users
> with the latest version of IE, and f**k the rest. Then there probably is a
> kludge, perhaps even documented in some M$ archive.
>
> > I have thought about letting the
> > user "right click" an anchor and letting him "choose save target as.."
but I
> > think it is a little uggly.
>
> It's not ugly. It's simply beyond the capability of many users...
>
> //Mikko
>
>
>

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That didn't help for me.  I have since switched to Tiny Personal
Firewall and like it alot.

Al Heinrichs wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> If you have Orion and ZoneAlarm installed on Windows 2000 and are getting
> the blue screen of death when you try to access Orion's home on your
> browser, it may help to install ZoneAlarm's latest release (2.144). I just
> read the "Important Information" blurb that you get when you install it, and
> it mentions that in version 2.143 they fixed a problem that would crash
> Windows 2000 with a "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA" blue screen. I'm going
> from memory here, but I'm sure that's the error I used to get just before my
> machine would reboot.
> 
> In my case, I did a complete reformat and reinstalled Win2000 (without SP1),
> Orion, and my other development apps. This fixed the Orion problem, but now
> I'm wondering if the ZoneAlarm update would have solved the issue with far
> less effort. Maybe someone else with this same problem could try this
> though, and post the results to the list? Based on some posts I read here
> about a month ago, I definitely wasn't the only one that ran into this.
> 
> Good luck!
> Al Heinrichs
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RE: Dependent-to-dependent relationships

[Tim Drury]

Title: RE: Dependent-to-dependent relationships






I entered this as bug #185 back in November.  Nothing has
been resolved yet.  This isn't a huge issue since the workaround
is simple: use ejb's for everything.  this isn't as slow as it
sounds since intra-container ejb method calls are direct and
do not use rmi.


-tim drury



> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent ALEXANDRE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:56 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Dependent-to-dependent relationships
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> I am experimenting this same problem as John did in November 00:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/orion-interest@orionserver.com/msg
> 06636.html
> :
> 
> > I am trying to create a dependent to dependent relationship 
> using Orion.
> > I have noticed that Orion does not automatically create the OR
> > mappings for these types of relationships as it does for 
> other types. I have
> > two questions really:
> > 
> >    1) Does orion support this type of relationship?
> >    2) If so, how should the orion-ejb-jar.xml file be 
> configured to
> > do this?
> > 
> >    I have posted below the error message I receive upon 
> attempting
> > to deploy as well as the relevant section from the 
> orion-ejb-jar.xml file that
> > I created.
> > 
> >    C:\app\orion>java -jar orion.jar
> >    Auto-deploying lib\higherlending.jar (Classes where 
> updated)...
> >    java.lang.NullPointerException
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.deployment.fi.z2(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.f6.ahe(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.f6.ahe(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.f6.ahe(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.f6.ahe(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.fy.aft(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.fz.sz(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.f6.sz(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.compilation.gc.sz(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ejb.EJBContainer.bz(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.Application.bz(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.Application.gf(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ApplicationServer.ru(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ApplicationServer.ap6(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.ApplicationServer.gf(JAX)
> >    at com.evermind.server.hi.run(JAX)
> >    at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:484)
> >    at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX)
> > 
> >    
> >    wrapper="FormHome_EntityHomeWrapper22" table="Form"
> >    data-source="jdbc/HigherLending">
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> name="formId"
> >    persistence-name="form_Id" />
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> > persistence-name="form_Name" />
> >    
> >    persistence-name="form_Description" />
> >    
> > persistence-name="form_Type" />
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="form_Id" />
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    type="com.higherlending.ejb.entity.form.FormQuery">
> >    
> name="value">
> >    
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="Query_Position" />
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="Data_Type" />
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="Dependency" />
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="Expression" />
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    table="form_Query_element">
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > 
> persistence-name="form_Id" />
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="query_position" />
> > 
> >    
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    type="com.higherlending.ejb.entity.form.FormQueryElement">
> > 
> >    
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > name="elementId"
> >    persistence-name="element_Id" />
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    persistence-name="Query_Text" />
> >    
> >    
> >   

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At 23:11 14.02.2001 , you wrote:
>Robert,
>
> > I would be interested in an opinion by someone who has actually used orion
> > for a while about pros and cons of those two.
>
>I suppose you meant to say "ewave" in the above statement?!

well, no, I was implying ewave AND meant to write orion. I think that a 
statment by someone who has barely used orion but has used ewave is of much 
less value to me as he is not likely to know/appreciate the strenghts of 
orion (which are not obvious IMHO).

>you should count as one who has used orion for a while, shouldn't you?

guess so ;).

>BTW, are you still running on SapDB? Any experiences? Did you encounter

we are currently working with adabas in production and sapd in development 
(one of us, not me, is doing his development work on the same project on 
sapdb) and so far there have been no problems at all as far as I can tell. 
we're still planning on going in production with the application (mostly 
CMP some direct SQL for complex queries) on top of sapd (probably in april).

>those SQL processing (outer join) bugs that were mentioned on the Castor
>list?

don't think so, although I haven't followed that thread.

>regards,
>Christian
>

regards,

robert


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ello,

Sure it does. Just use JDBC-ODBC driver. Here is an example data-source
entry:
 


BTW, since access does not support transaction, the xa-... line above is
useless. Also when you deploy your ejb, make sure you don't use
transaction.

I use it for development and demonstration purposes on my puny lil' Win98
notebook.

cheers
romen

IT Architect, Business And Data Services
IBM GSA
TEL: 612-84484716
FAX: 612-84484008
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Rafael Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@orionserver.com on 16/09/2000 01:12:14

Please respond to Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Hello faisal,

If you use the jdbc.odbc bridge, yes.

But, why do you want to use Ms Access (just curiosity)
Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 11:55:05 PM, you wrote:

f> does ms access  work with Orion
f> ?



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SV: Last postingIf I might put up an impassioned plea at this point (on
behalf of Marcus, myself and anyone else who regularly gets Orion support
questions in their personal inbox)

DO NOT SEND YOUR QUESTIONS TO ANYONE'S PERSONAL ADDRESS WITHOUT ASKING THEM

Keep your questions on the list, we see them there too.

-mike
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:49 AM
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  Whoa!
  Hold your mails! Hold your mails!
  Im just a contributor like the rest of you :)
  WR

  > -Ursprungligt meddelande-
  > Från: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  > Skickat: den 15 februari 2001 05:17
  > Till: Orion-Interest
  > Ämne: Re: Last posting
  >
  >
  > If you don't get your answer within 2-3 days, people don't
  > know the answer.
  > If that is the case, try to get in contact with Magnus Rydin
  > or someone else
  > in the Orion team. I know it is very difficult to get in
  > touch with them,
  > and I guess time zone differences are making it worse, but if
  > you do you
  > usually get the answer you need instantly. Not always the
  > answer you want...
  > But that's something else.
  >
  > As a little hint in comparing Orion to any other J2EE
  > application server out
  > there, Orion is the one that gets you up and running with
  > least effort. It
  > is even easier than Suns reference implementation, but then I
  > have installed
  > Orion 10-20 times, so I'm not sure if I'm being objective.
  >
  > Long complicated questions on this list seems to get by
  > without answers,
  > especially if they are not very precise. And as Bronwen
  > Cassidy said very
  > insightfully : ...this is more a  "I HOPE SOMEONE ANSWERS" forum...
  >
  >
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: "Cliff Rowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:37 AM
  > Subject: RE: Last posting
  >
  >
  > > Tim, thankyou for your mature and decent reply - it is very much
  > > appreciated.
  > >
  > > I must apologise for being rather obtrusive, I am almost
  > ready to crack
  > and
  > > 'let them take me away', and everyone seems to be taking a
  > fair whack from
  > > it just recently.  Some people react like bulldogs, and
  > some people care
  > to
  > > remember they are dealing with real people with real problems.
  > >
  > > Sorry if I caused you any displeasure.
  > >
  > > Cliff
  > >
  > > > -Original Message-
  > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  > Tim Endres
  > > > Sent: 15 February 2001 03:22
  > > > To: Orion-Interest
  > > > Subject: Re: Last posting
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Cliff,
  > > >
  > > > I think your posting was sufficiently complex and general
  > that it was
  > > > unlikely to generate a reponse. Speaking for myself, but
  > suspecting
  > > > that it applies to other "professionals", I am very busy,
  > and do not
  > > > have the time to devote to such a response. Sorry.
  > > >
  > > > However, I believe you would be more likely to get a
  > reply if you try
  > > > asking specific questions.
  > > >
  > > > tim.
  > > >
  > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  > > > > Hash: SHA1
  > > > >
  > > > > Pardon me if I so

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Roger Mosher wrote:

> Unless someone has a better idea, I am going with it.  It surprises me
> that such an procedure should even be in question.

Well, it is a fundamental design philosophy issue, similar to the way HTML
was designed for _content_ markup, not layout markup (pretty much the
exact opposite of how people actually use it).

The browser manufacturers are notorious for f***ing with the standards.
E.g. the cookie standard EXPLICITLY forbids setting cookies that never
expire. Do the browsers work this way? Naaah

HTTP is concerned with getting documents to clients, not telling them what
to do with them.

This is a beautiful idea (although "default action" might have a place in
_content_ markup).

The practical reality, however, has more to do with Sturgeon's Law as
applied to users...

//Mikko

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Well, not to rant here, but your first mistake is using mysql... it's not
designed for ejb/transaction work even though it's been recently kludged to
apparently do that. The second might be a leaky mysql jdbc driver (yes, this
is a known fact). The third might be in your code, and lastly it could be
Orion. Although the last is very unlikely. If you look at the list, a lot of
people have had this problem before... While investigating the problem, the
following common factors arose:

1. Using of mysql
2. Using MS-SQL or MS-Access with JDBC-ODBC driver.
3. Bad JVM

None of the reported cases have traced back to Orion. So before reporting it
as a bug, please track your memory usage using something like OptimizeIt. If
it turns out to be an Orion bug, log it in Bugzilla and the Orion Team will
look at it and provide more assistance.

-- Victor

-Original Message-
From: Peter Kua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:21 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Orion Server running out of memory fast!


hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

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SV: Not authorized to view this pageIn case you didnt know, u can do your
own setup of welcome files.
Anything index.jsp, index.htm, index.html...
Maybe even index.asp... ;) hehe (joking)

As far as commercial products go, dont get anyone started.
Frickin IIS has a default.htm as a welcome file, by default. (I think)
I guess now i'm gonna need to complain to uncle Gates
"considering its a commercial product." (Its not like i use it, but
still)

If you dont know how to manage these kinda problems you
are in a wrong industry, no offence or anything.

Anton aka sigg-
  -Original Mess age-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adamson, Scott
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:49 PM
  To: Orion-Interest
  Subject: RE: Not authorized to view this page


  I found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied
in the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to
rename index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles
considering that were talking about a comercial product.
-Original Message-
From: Magnus Rydin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Not authorized to view this page


Are the pages protected?
Have you added a entry to your principals.xml for the app?
What version of Orion are you running?
More information needed.
WR

> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05
> Till: Orion-Interest
> Ämne: Not authorized to view this page
>
>
> I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when
> trying to run the
> addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working
> correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help
> much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm
> running Orion on Win
> NT workstation
> trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not
> have access to
> something on my own machine ??
>
> I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights
> anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list
> please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to
> deploying it within a
> 10 server cluster ($$$).
>
> regards,
> Scott.
>
>

Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

[Tim Endres]

> Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
> believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
> pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.

I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.

Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
little change to the deployment.

If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!

tim.

RE: SV: Not authorized to view this page

[Patrick Munis]

What's the difference between the commercial version of orion and the
standard version (version anyone can download? Are there some disable
features in the standard version ? When is orion going to be open source ?.

thanks -Original Message-
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page


Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.  

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
>   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
>information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
>Från: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Ämne: RE: Not authorized toview this page
>
>   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
>supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
>had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
>these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.  
> -Original Message-
>From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: SV: Not authorized  to view this page
>
> Are the pages protected? 
>Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
>What version of Orion are you running? 
>More  information needed. 
>WR  > -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
>> Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  
>> Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
>> Till: Orion-Interest 
>> Ämne: Not  authorized to view this page 
>> 
>> 
>> I get the message 'Not authorized  to view this page' when 
>> trying to run  the 
>> addressbook example from the CMP primer. I  believe Orion is working 
>> correctly as I can run  the orion-primer example. Any help 
>> much  appreciated. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Come on !! Someone  must have had a similar problem, I'm 
>> running  Orion on Win 
>> NT workstation 
>> trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not  
>> have access to 
>>  something on my own machine ?? 
>>  
>> I've tried loging in as admin (normal account  should have admin
rights 
>> anyway !) no  difference. If any Orion support people monitor this
list 
>> please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to  
>> deploying it within a 
>> 10 server cluster ($$$). 
>>  
>> regards, 
>> Scott.  
>> 
>>
>
> 

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Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.  

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
>   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
>information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
>Från: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
>Till: Orion-Interest
>Ämne: RE: Not authorized toview this page
>
>   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
>supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
>had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
>these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.  
> -Original Message-
>From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Subject: SV: Not authorized  to view this page
>
> Are the pages protected? 
>Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
>What version of Orion are you running? 
>More  information needed. 
>WR  > -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
>> Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  
>> Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
>> Till: Orion-Interest 
>> Ämne: Not  authorized to view this page 
>> 
>> 
>> I get the message 'Not authorized  to view this page' when 
>> trying to run  the 
>> addressbook example from the CMP primer. I  believe Orion is working 
>> correctly as I can run  the orion-primer example. Any help 
>> much  appreciated. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Come on !! Someone  must have had a similar problem, I'm 
>> running  Orion on Win 
>> NT workstation 
>> trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not  
>> have access to 
>>  something on my own machine ?? 
>>  
>> I've tried loging in as admin (normal account  should have admin
rights 
>> anyway !) no  difference. If any Orion support people monitor this
list 
>> please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to  
>> deploying it within a 
>> 10 server cluster ($$$). 
>>  
>> regards, 
>> Scott.  
>> 
>>
>
> 

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Not every project has this problem.  Half of our projects run fine.  We have
yet to discover the pattern.

The out of memory is caused by a bug in their passivation routine.  We ran a
profiler on the Orion VM and we found that the server keep the beans in a
list, so the GC cant have them.  But the server does not pool or passivate
the beans either.  So they just increase in numbers.

Orion said theid fix it.  We wait.  Long.  And projects run late.

Up to 1.4.5 you could not set the limit.  Rumours have it that you might be
able to with 1.4.6.

Jaco
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Kua
Sent: 13 February 2001 11:53
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: out of memory error??


has anyone encountered an "out of memory" error when running EJBs with orion
server?
can this be solved by limiting the size of the EJB pool? and how do you set
this size?

thanks for your help!
pete

Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Jay Armstrong]

Wow!  My guess is: the "Bureau of Bureaucracy", which has the primary task
of creating unnecessary complexity.

I don't see any figures for WebLogic, but I guess that it, too, is on the
larger end.  WebLogic offers some failover and redundancy features for EJBs
that Orion and the smaller products may not.  

For example, if you're going to ensure that the state of a stateful session
bean with redundant instances on different servers is replicated among the
instances, then there needs to be some fancy, shmancy code.  (Consider the
following in the Orion Clustering Guide: "Note however, that if the EJBs
are located on a server that goes down, the references might become
invalid").  I'd like to see better high availability with Orion and I'd bet
that the folks at Orion could figure a simple, elegant way that doesn't
require a GiG of memory.

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 08:06 AM 2/16/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP engines and EJB servers
are approximately equal, then what explains the size differences in the
following examples?
>Latest production Orion - 10 MG
>Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
>Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
>Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
>Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
>Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1 Gig
>  In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about not having any
perfumed bubble bath beads, like the higher priced hotels.  So I ask these
questions.  What could possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP engines and EJB
servers are supposed to have similar or identical functionality?  Out of
curiosity, how much space does Weblogic take up? Where are the perfumed
bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 
>
>
>

RE: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads

[Kemp Randy-W18971]

Thanks for the long and well thought out answer. 

-Original Message-
From: bradley mclain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:07 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Where are the perfumes bubble bath beads


even though all servers must support the spec to be
j2ee compliant, an app server vendor may add a range
of additional services or enterprise capabilities to
differentiate themselves.  for example, i work for a
company called gemstone, which produces an app server
for java (we also make one for smalltalk) that we're
aiming to be certified j2ee compliant by sun by march
15.  in addition to supporting the j2ee 1.2 spec, our
server also contains an object repository (useful for
caching or as a db of record -- imagine no o/r mapping
for ejbs), a corba orb and its own version of the jvm.
 we license sun's jvm sourcecode, and our server has
the capability to distribute workload among multiple
activated vm's.  as the load increases, more jvms are
started up to handle it (either on the same machine,
or another).  a single vm can only handle 100-200
concurrent connections before it is tapped out.  plus
there is a broad suite of swing-based and cmd-line
utilities, monitors, etc. for our server. (one thing
we don't include is a webserver -- you must connect it
to apache or iplanet.)

i don't know how much disk space the installation
images require, but i imagine quite a lot as the
source code alone takes up about 250mb.  there is
included also a lot of instrumentation inside that can
be turned on or off, enabling fine-grained debugging
when things go wrong.

that perhaps explains the range of image sizes.  even
though it only takes 10-20 mb of code to implement the
spec, other servers may add features in an attempt to
differentiate themselves.

bradley mclain

--- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Here is a mystery I need help with.  If all JSP
> engines and EJB servers are approximately equal,
> then what explains the size differences in the
> following examples?
> Latest production Orion - 10 MG
> Latest production Resin - 12.8 MG
> Latest productions Jboss/Tomcat - 23.3 Mg
> Latest production Unify Ewave Engine - 18.1 MG
> Latest production Iplanet 6.1 - Approximately 1 Gig
> Latest Productions Oracle 9I AS - Approximately 1
> Gig
>   In a past commercial for Motel 6, they talk about
> not having any perfumed bubble bath beads, like the
> higher priced hotels.  So I ask these questions. 
> What could possible take up 1 gig, when all JSP
> engines and EJB servers are supposed to have similar
> or identical functionality?  Out of curiosity, how
> much space does Weblogic take up? Where are the
> perfumed bubble bath beads in the 1 gig space? 
> 
> 


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RE: ms access & Orion?

[Tim Endres]

However, MySQL support has not always been that "first class". I can remember the days 
when
MySQL support was much like Orion support today - you needed the mailing list!

Lets hope that Orion can make the same transition to providing strong support.

tim.

> If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to get 
>transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use transactions.  
>Their support and documentation is first class (are you taking notes here Orion?  
>There is a quiz next week). 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Thank to all of u guys
> I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a  hard time 
>though i works sometimes
> Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> Respect
> what a Great e-mailing list
> faisal
>  
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Thomas   Pridham 
> To: Orion-Interest   
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> Two other free RDMS's are:
>  
> 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com  ) - originally 
>developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product in a commercial 
>environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great on Win2000.  This DB has 
>a JDBC client.  This is a cross platform DB.
>  
> 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/ 
> ) - open sourced by SAP.  I have not 
>worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type 4 JDBC driver.  
>This is a cross-platform DB.
>  
> Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so, then it 
>should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But why would you want 
>to do this?  A better solution would be to work with something like Postgresql ( 
>www.postgresql.org  ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com 
> ), if you don't have a commercial database (like Oracle) 
>available. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> does ms access  work with Orion 
> ?
> 

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> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70)
> at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59)

 ^

You appear to be running the Kaffe JVM and not the Sun
JVM.  Kaffe is a standard RedHat/Mandrake install product.
If you don't want it remove it "rpm -e kaffe".  Else make
sure JAVA_HOME (or whatever orion uses to find java) is
pointing to the Sun jdk.

-tim

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the debug does not seem to work, I agree!

But it is usually an error in the code causing this message. 

Make sure that the connection.close(); is in the finally statement (alone, no 
stmt.close(); or rs.close(), just connection.close() ) and you'd probably get rid of 
the errormessage...

Johan 
  - Original Message - 
  From: faisal 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:35 PM
  Subject: jdbc:leaked connection



  Can u ,please, tell me what is  this weird "leaked connection" in my code all my  
connection are closed 
  I used the Djdbc but it is no help
  Has any  of Orion users met this  before
  thank u in advance

  Orion/1.4.7 initialized
  OrionCMTConnection not closed, check your code!
  LogicalDriverManagerXAConnection not closed, check your code!
  (Use -Djdbc.connection.debug=true to find out where the leaked connection was cr
  eated)

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"Hee Meng, Poh" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
> web and ejb components.
> What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> Regards
I am using both tools. You have to remember that EJB are kind of
unwilling to giv you access IO Streams. In out case, we use JMS for
logging. We read the Property file as a resource with the ClassLoader
and let the PropertyConfigurator parse the Properties directly.
Regards
Armin Rauch

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Thanks man!  I really appreciate your reply
It is working fine now
Respect
faisal
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  From: Patrik Andersson 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: jdbc:leaked connection


  The problem can occur if you use code like:

  try {
  Connection c = // .. aquire connection
  performOperation(c);
  c.close();
  } catch (SQLException sqe) {
  // report error
  }

  Because that means that your connection will not be closed if:
  1) You don't close it in the catch clause
  2) You get some kind of unchecked exception: i.e: java.lang.RuntimeException
  because any of those will return your function without the "c.close();" having been 
run at all.

  Instead use code like:
  Connection c = null;
  try {
  c = // .. aquire connection
  performOperation(c);
  } catch (SQLException sqle) {
  // report error
  } finally {
  if (c != null) {
  c.close();
  }
  }
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From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 15 februari 2001 18:36
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: jdbc:leaked connection



Can u ,please, tell me what is  this weird "leaked connection" in my code all my  
connection are closed 
I used the Djdbc but it is no help
Has any  of Orion users met this  before
thank u in advance

Orion/1.4.7 initialized
OrionCMTConnection not closed, check your code!
LogicalDriverManagerXAConnection not closed, check your code!
(Use -Djdbc.connection.debug=true to find out where the leaked connection was cr
eated)

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Indeed

We then ran a test program that creates a simple entity bean in an infinite
loop and then releases the reference of this entity bean. We ran a profiler
on the VM and counted the memory instances. It turns out that
even though memory seems to be running out, orion does not passivate the
beans that are not being used anymore.  Only halve of our projects have this
bug, we cannot see the pattern yet.  Of course the bigger project with the
tighter deadline has it too.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said thanx and they'd fix it, but they cannot give
an estimate of when - we've been waiting for 3 months now.  Up to 1.4.5 you
could not limit the pool size, so there aint no way to force it to start
passivating.

Regards
Jaco

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Sent: 16 February 2001 05:21
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Subject: Orion Server running out of memory fast!


hello,

we've been running into "out of memory" problems recently.

we are deploying about 10-12 BMP EJBs and after a few minutes of intensive
querying the database, we run out of memory. seems like the EJB does not
passivate or the GC is not doing it's job, although i've tried to null all
the objects i don't need anymore. basically i have a jsp page calling a bean
that is calling the home and remote interface of the EJB.

we are using jdk1.3, orion 1.4.5 and MySQL. has any user reported similar
out of memory problems? the documentation doesn't say anything.

any help is greatly appreciated, so that i'll be able to convince my client
that orion server is THE server of choice.

thanks! peter kua

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Hi,

We have done this. By writing a tree part solution. We wrote a little
servlet that sets up default things in a singelton class that handels all
log calls through it. We than also wrote a jsp page to set the debuglevels
for classes. As you know log4j defaults to info. turning on debug and
warnings ar done trough this page. It works great.

On the client side we use the same singeltonclass in the clients and have
writen a little bean that we uses to turn on and of debuging dynamicly on
the client.

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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:50 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Using Log4j With Orion


Hi,

Anyone uses Log4j with Orion? Think of providing logging facilites for both
web and ejb components.
What's the good way to specify a PropertyConfigurator?

Thanks for any info.

Regards

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Konstantin Polyzois wrote:

> I am developing an app where there will be some xml-files generated. I want
> the user to save these to his hard drive. The problem is that Internet
> Exploder always displays xml. Is there some MIME type or some trick to make
> Exploder pop up a "save as dialog" instead?

As this feature is not offered in HTTP spec, you're off in uncharted
waters, relying on how the user has his browser configured. You could try
spoofing a MIME type usually associated with "save to disk" action, but
you have no true control over this.

The "Content-Disposition" header Roger suggested is not HTTP/1.1 standard.
I have no clue which browsers support it and how.

Ofcourse, you _could_ make the conscious decision of supporting only users
with the latest version of IE, and f**k the rest. Then there probably is a
kludge, perhaps even documented in some M$ archive.

> I have thought about letting the
> user "right click" an anchor and letting him "choose save target as.." but I
> think it is a little uggly.

It's not ugly. It's simply beyond the capability of many users...

//Mikko