Re: How does this effect Orion?
At 23:11 14.02.2001 , you wrote: >Robert, > > > I would be interested in an opinion by someone who has actually used orion > > for a while about pros and cons of those two. > >I suppose you meant to say "ewave" in the above statement?! well, no, I was implying ewave AND meant to write orion. I think that a statment by someone who has barely used orion but has used ewave is of much less value to me as he is not likely to know/appreciate the strenghts of orion (which are not obvious IMHO). >you should count as one who has used orion for a while, shouldn't you? guess so ;). >BTW, are you still running on SapDB? Any experiences? Did you encounter we are currently working with adabas in production and sapd in development (one of us, not me, is doing his development work on the same project on sapdb) and so far there have been no problems at all as far as I can tell. we're still planning on going in production with the application (mostly CMP some direct SQL for complex queries) on top of sapd (probably in april). >those SQL processing (outer join) bugs that were mentioned on the Castor >list? don't think so, although I haven't followed that thread. >regards, >Christian > regards, robert (-) Robert Krüger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brüder-Knauß-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
RE: How does this effect Orion?
Orion is certainly competitive and may even be a better product (personally, I think it's an excellent product). However, developers need to obtain funding from management, who sometimes don't know what an EJB is. When I point out these issues, like the support and documentation the competitor is bringing to the table, I am just issuing a wake up call to Orion. In essence, I am saying to beef up the documentation and get the support structure in place, in order to battle them on their home turf. -Original Message- From: Mike Cannon-Brookes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:10 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: How does this effect Orion? "I did talk with someone from the company, and he said the product is ready to take on the big guns." I agree with the rest, Orion should be worried about support and documentation more, but this statement seems a little silly. Who would ever say that their product wasn't competitive ? ;) -mike > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp > Randy-W18971 > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:13 AM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: RE: How does this effect Orion? > > > While the higher price for everything Orion offers is correct, it > also comes with excellent documentation, and supposedly excellent > support, from a company that has been in business for twenty > years, and has international offices. You can also load a > non-timeout edition with limited concurrency for free. I think > the support, documentation, size, and longevity of the company > should be a concern for Orion (as well as open source contenders > like Jboss or openejb). I did talk with someone from the company, > and he said the product is ready to take on the big guns. It > should be interesting to see how everything settles in the next > year or so. > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:19 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Re: How does this effect Orion? > > > It costs $2500/cpu for almost reaching the level of what Orion > offers. Development version is > somewhat limited, though you could download the 30 day trial for > your stress testing, I suppose. > I'm certainly interested in what shakes out in the industry over > the next year or so... > > > --- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the > ewave server for only $595 per > > CPU. The company marketing it has a good marketing and capital > engine behind them, so I wonder > > how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting that there > are over thirty vendors offering > > some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced > servers like Weblogic to the open > > source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is supposed to be > around $2 billion now and > > projected to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is > a market for all the "good" > > products, and the consumer and developer will become the clear > winners. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >
RE: How does this effect Orion?
The EJB 2.0 support is a big unknown, but they have to have it in order to compete. Orion has preliminary support for it, Jboss (www.jboss.org) will have preliminary support in a month or two with 2.1, and openejb (www.openejb.org) is building their product line around it. Since they are competing with these products, they have to have it or die. -Original Message- From: Jim Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:53 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: How does this effect Orion? The EJB 2.0 support is my big question. Currently, there is none. Jim --On Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:37 PM -0800 Jeff Schnitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's an interesting question. The investor story is not good - they > recently terminated their CEO/President and CFO, restated a year of > earnings (which put them in the red), and reduced their heacount from > 132 to 106. Their stock, which was trading ~$20 this time last year, is > now at $0.31. New Atlanta backed out of their stock-based acquisition > arrangement, although Unify is still bundling ServletExec. It looks > bleak. > > How is their EJB 2.0 support? I'm guessing that quite a few J2EE > providers are going to be shaken out in this transition. There's no way > a market will continue to support thirty people selling the same thing. > > Jeff > >> -Original Message- >> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:10 AM >> To: Orion-Interest >> Subject: How does this effect Orion? >> >> >> I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about >> the ewave server for only $595 per CPU. The company marketing >> it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, so I >> wonder how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting >> that there are over thirty vendors offering some flavor of >> J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like >> Weblogic to the open source servers like Jboss. Yet this >> industry is supposed to be around $2 billion now and projected >> to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market >> for all the "good" products, and the consumer and developer >> will become the clear winners. >> >> I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost, 1916
RE: How does this effect Orion?
The EJB 2.0 support is my big question. Currently, there is none. Jim --On Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:37 PM -0800 Jeff Schnitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's an interesting question. The investor story is not good - they > recently terminated their CEO/President and CFO, restated a year of > earnings (which put them in the red), and reduced their heacount from > 132 to 106. Their stock, which was trading ~$20 this time last year, is > now at $0.31. New Atlanta backed out of their stock-based acquisition > arrangement, although Unify is still bundling ServletExec. It looks > bleak. > > How is their EJB 2.0 support? I'm guessing that quite a few J2EE > providers are going to be shaken out in this transition. There's no way > a market will continue to support thirty people selling the same thing. > > Jeff > >> -Original Message- >> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:10 AM >> To: Orion-Interest >> Subject: How does this effect Orion? >> >> >> I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about >> the ewave server for only $595 per CPU. The company marketing >> it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, so I >> wonder how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting >> that there are over thirty vendors offering some flavor of >> J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like >> Weblogic to the open source servers like Jboss. Yet this >> industry is supposed to be around $2 billion now and projected >> to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market >> for all the "good" products, and the consumer and developer >> will become the clear winners. >> >> I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost, 1916
RE: How does this effect Orion?
That's an interesting question. The investor story is not good - they recently terminated their CEO/President and CFO, restated a year of earnings (which put them in the red), and reduced their heacount from 132 to 106. Their stock, which was trading ~$20 this time last year, is now at $0.31. New Atlanta backed out of their stock-based acquisition arrangement, although Unify is still bundling ServletExec. It looks bleak. How is their EJB 2.0 support? I'm guessing that quite a few J2EE providers are going to be shaken out in this transition. There's no way a market will continue to support thirty people selling the same thing. Jeff >-Original Message- >From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:10 AM >To: Orion-Interest >Subject: How does this effect Orion? > > >I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about >the ewave server for only $595 per CPU. The company marketing >it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, so I >wonder how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting >that there are over thirty vendors offering some flavor of >J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like >Weblogic to the open source servers like Jboss. Yet this >industry is supposed to be around $2 billion now and projected >to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market >for all the "good" products, and the consumer and developer >will become the clear winners. > >
Re: How does this effect Orion?
Robert, > I would be interested in an opinion by someone who has actually used orion > for a while about pros and cons of those two. I suppose you meant to say "ewave" in the above statement?! you should count as one who has used orion for a while, shouldn't you? BTW, are you still running on SapDB? Any experiences? Did you encounter those SQL processing (outer join) bugs that were mentioned on the Castor list? regards, Christian
RE: How does this effect Orion?
"I did talk with someone from the company, and he said the product is ready to take on the big guns." I agree with the rest, Orion should be worried about support and documentation more, but this statement seems a little silly. Who would ever say that their product wasn't competitive ? ;) -mike > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp > Randy-W18971 > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:13 AM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: RE: How does this effect Orion? > > > While the higher price for everything Orion offers is correct, it > also comes with excellent documentation, and supposedly excellent > support, from a company that has been in business for twenty > years, and has international offices. You can also load a > non-timeout edition with limited concurrency for free. I think > the support, documentation, size, and longevity of the company > should be a concern for Orion (as well as open source contenders > like Jboss or openejb). I did talk with someone from the company, > and he said the product is ready to take on the big guns. It > should be interesting to see how everything settles in the next > year or so. > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:19 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Re: How does this effect Orion? > > > It costs $2500/cpu for almost reaching the level of what Orion > offers. Development version is > somewhat limited, though you could download the 30 day trial for > your stress testing, I suppose. > I'm certainly interested in what shakes out in the industry over > the next year or so... > > > --- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the > ewave server for only $595 per > > CPU. The company marketing it has a good marketing and capital > engine behind them, so I wonder > > how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting that there > are over thirty vendors offering > > some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced > servers like Weblogic to the open > > source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is supposed to be > around $2 billion now and > > projected to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is > a market for all the "good" > > products, and the consumer and developer will become the clear > winners. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >
RE: How does this effect Orion?
While the higher price for everything Orion offers is correct, it also comes with excellent documentation, and supposedly excellent support, from a company that has been in business for twenty years, and has international offices. You can also load a non-timeout edition with limited concurrency for free. I think the support, documentation, size, and longevity of the company should be a concern for Orion (as well as open source contenders like Jboss or openejb). I did talk with someone from the company, and he said the product is ready to take on the big guns. It should be interesting to see how everything settles in the next year or so. -Original Message- From: Ray Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:19 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: How does this effect Orion? It costs $2500/cpu for almost reaching the level of what Orion offers. Development version is somewhat limited, though you could download the 30 day trial for your stress testing, I suppose. I'm certainly interested in what shakes out in the industry over the next year or so... --- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the ewave server for >only $595 per > CPU. The company marketing it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, >so I wonder > how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting that there are over thirty >vendors offering > some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like Weblogic >to the open > source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is supposed to be around $2 billion >now and > projected to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market for all the >"good" > products, and the consumer and developer will become the clear winners. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: How does this effect Orion?
It costs $2500/cpu for almost reaching the level of what Orion offers. Development version is somewhat limited, though you could download the 30 day trial for your stress testing, I suppose. I'm certainly interested in what shakes out in the industry over the next year or so... --- Kemp Randy-W18971 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the ewave server for >only $595 per > CPU. The company marketing it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, >so I wonder > how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting that there are over thirty >vendors offering > some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like Weblogic >to the open > source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is supposed to be around $2 billion >now and > projected to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market for all the >"good" > products, and the consumer and developer will become the clear winners. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: How does this effect Orion?
I would be interested in an opinion by someone who has actually used orion for a while about pros and cons of those two. The price and supported standards do make it sound interesting although I'm always a bit worried when I see this deployment wizard stuff. That's only interesting for educational use IMHO and I hope they haven't neglected a rock solid logical deployment concept (one of orion's key strengths if you ask me). anyone out there who's tested or better worked with both? regards, robert At 09:10 14.02.2001 , you wrote: >I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the ewave >server for only $595 per CPU. The company marketing it has a good >marketing and capital engine behind them, so I wonder how this will effect >Orion? It is very interesting that there are over thirty vendors offering >some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like >Weblogic to the open source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is >supposed to be around $2 billion now and projected to be $12 billion in >two years. This means there is a market for all the "good" products, and >the consumer and developer will become the clear winners. (-) Robert Krüger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brüder-Knauß-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
How does this effect Orion?
I have read the announcement at www.theserverside.com about the ewave server for only $595 per CPU. The company marketing it has a good marketing and capital engine behind them, so I wonder how this will effect Orion? It is very interesting that there are over thirty vendors offering some flavor of J2EE technology, anywhere from the high priced servers like Weblogic to the open source servers like Jboss. Yet this industry is supposed to be around $2 billion now and projected to be $12 billion in two years. This means there is a market for all the "good" products, and the consumer and developer will become the clear winners.
