Re: Trust. (Was;; Re: No Sale, Bill...)
Bill--- http://www.kenmarcamera.com/ Skip - Original Message - From: "Bill Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Trust. (Was;; Re: No Sale, Bill...) > Skip, > >Do you have a url for Ken-Mar? Sounds like I'd love to look them up and see > if they have anything I 'need.' > > Bill > > dosk wrote: > > > Fr: Skip > > > > When I stated I would probably now buy 'used' only from eBay and from shops > > like KEH and Ken-Mar, I inadvertently left out another very much trusted > > resource. And that, of course, is the regular (and not quite so regular) > > members of this list, with whom I believe I could buy from (and sell to) > > with trust and safety. > > > > I also, on second thought, feel that I have may have been a little too > > sarcastic with some of my comments as to the seller in that recent screwed > > up transaction, and afterwards, also, to Tom. > > My apologies... > > > > As far as trusted sales places; Ken-Mar has just returned my $63 Kiron 24/2 > > that first came with a stuck shutter and so was returned to them. It was > > fixed under the store warranty, no charge, mailing or otherwise, so I think > > that is a pretty good deal. I doubt if they made any money at all on this > > double transaction, and it was nice to see that they deal in good faith and > > I would definitely use them again. > > > > Skip > > > > > I would have to say the PDML is a great resource for buyers and sellers. > > > For long-time list members, we have developed a sort of trust, that is > > > backed up by the fact that if a dirty deed is done, our own reputation > > would > > > be shot. > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4
Hello... Vignetting?...with the RTF and the hood on Z-1p...YES...without the hood on Z-1p...NOPE! I've never seen any Vignetting what-so-ever as long as I was not using the hood. D.S. PS."(he bought the 77 limited)" ...And Loving It Now where is that 31 going to fit in my lowepro b... -Original Message- From: Cameron Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: April 3, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4 (he bought the 77 limited). Anyway, I am looking forward to getting some great shots with it. >I would like any comments or suggestions PDML members have, and I would >especially like to know if the onboard flash on my PZ1-P will vignette with >this lens. I see nothing about that in the z's manual, but that's not >surprising, and I don't get the inappropriate lens warning on the screen; so >does that mean it works? Comments greatly appreciated. > >Cameron > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- OT stuff...Sticking Bill
Good advice James. Strictly for others, though? Skip Subject: Re: State of Science -- OT stuff...Sticking Bill > Perhaps we should limit idle off-topic chat to direct email, or some other > means. Likewise with slanderous crap leveled at Bill Visser. My generation > were brought up to respect people, their feelings etc., so when unsure of a > persons intentions, or more aptly have contracted the Ebay mentality, try > and CLARIFY before STICKING BOTH FEET IN MOUTH. > James > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: anybody seen the new kodak Portra B & W Film?
Howdy...I was talking to the local Kodak rep about it. It is a -41 film and his description was amazing, soft tones yet sharp like T400CN! I can't wait to try it! Darren S. -Original Message- From: Sid Barras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: April 3, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: OT: anybody seen the new kodak Portra B & W Film? >Hi, >A couple of issues ago, there was a brief mention in Pop photography (or >it could have been Peterson's) that said Kodak was about to release a >Portra film in black and white. They didn't mention if it would be a C41 >film, though I suspect in might. >Anyone heard any follow ups, or seen the product for sale? >Sid > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Big Bad Bill??
Replies from Skip > Att: Skip, > I am replying to your personal public slander of me, which leaves me > no option but to reply in the same public forum, although this would not > be my choice. > I would prefer to deal with you personally. Skip: What does that mean Bill? > Sorry to bore the rest of the PDML members. No I am not the bad > defrauding person that has prompted you to warn others of my > un-substantiated mis-deeds. > If your aim was to hurt me or get even for some perceived wrong-doing, > then you have certainly accomplished your goal. > The following points give my side of the story: > 1)April 3, you wrote to PDML "The way he dropped from 150 to 115 for > such a pristine SF1N body so very quickly, and then offered a "wild" > lens to up the amount again, really put me off... While it looked like > a good buy, I was never sure it was authentic" > - On Tuesday March 27 I listed the camera body at 150usd (or best > offer) > You told me on Thursday March 29, that you had seen an excellent SF1N > body for sale on KEH for 133 USD and you offered to pay me 115, I did > not quickly drop the price but agreed with your price of 115 USD. Skip: Isn't that what I said You didn't negoiate at all. I knocked down the price a considerable amount, and you just said, okay great... > - This "wild" lens was manufactured in Japan under license from > Zeiss-Jena back > in the mid sixties with a pentax mount. As an after-thought I offered > the Zeiss lens w/UV filter and two replacement lithium batteries to you > at 105 USD extra. > -You advised me that you would need to check out the Zeiss lens > with a friend and you are not sure that you want to purchase it and if > you buy the complete package then it would have to be an escrow type of > deal. > - That weekend I accepted a local offer for the body w/Zeiss lens > and on Monday I informed you that the camera and lens are no longer for > sale. Skip: Bill, you are not as entirely innocent here as you make yourself out to be. We were negotiating a deal. You had an honest offer of $115 from me for the camera which you accepted right away, but then later decided that it was not of any importance whatsoever when you sold the camera without informing me of what your new other offer was. I might have matched or bettered it... So tell me, why didn't you even try, if you were not "offended" by an escrow deal? Also, the main reason we did not go straight ahead with the original camera deal was your subsequent throwing in of a lens, (for addl' monies by the way), that I'd never heard of. Which only served to confuse the matter. > 2) On April 2 you wrote to PDML "I mean after all a brand new SF1N and a > Carl > Zeiss-Jena 28-80 zoom f1.4-5(???) lens (which a knowledgeable person has > told me that he never knew Zeiss-Jena made a zoom), with a skylight > filter thrown in too, for only $100.00 more?" and "Just don't go and > offend this cat by mentioning escrow transactions and you should be ok! > And his address, given only after being requested, Western Canada, is > not that big a place, right? Should be able to track him down easily if > you should get shafted, right?" >- The camera was not "brand new" and at 115usd I considered it a fair > price Skip: I received the pictures of it AFTER I'd offered the $115. And they startled me; the camera sure looked brand new to me. And SF1n bodies in this nice of a condition are going for $200 (USD) and up, at KEH... > - A similar Zeiss-Jena zoom lens is presently listed on e-bay at > 85usd therefore I consider the 100usd to be a fair price. > - I was not offended by being asked to make it an escrow deal. > - My address was at the bottom of the listing to PDML on Tuesday > March 27 Skip: After it was requested by someone else on this list. It says (and I quote) "Located in Western Canada. Will courier at your expense." That's a BIG address... > - No, Western Canada is a fairly big place, about 1/3 the area of > the USA. > You must be American, is it true that geography (outside of the USA) > is not > a required school subject? (sorry if I offended you, but I find your > > observation about the size of Western Canada quite humourous) Skip: Insulting the nationalities of people will not help your cause here. But I'm glad you found the remark humorous. That's what it was meant to be. I've seen Western Canada... > - And then what would you do once you tracked me down, if in fact I > am the > bad guy you make me out to be?? (just kidding Skip, pleeease > don't write > another slanderous letter to PDML, you scare me) Skip: Another humorous remark. And I said, myself, also, that IF (IF! IF!) you were not on the level here, how would anyone ever track you down at the address given, "Western Canada"? > > 3) On April 2 you wrote to PDML, "Now I'm not saying anything was wrong > with > Mr Bill Visser's deal. No. But I'd just though
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
Hi Dave ... You said: > Seconding what Tom said, I'd also mention Fuji NPH 400 for subtle > colours. For similar grain to TX, I'm not sure what you'd do, but > underexposing might work. I'm going to try Portra 400 and Supra 800 from Kodak and a couple of the Fuji films. I've not looked at the Agfa possibilities yet, but I bet they have something that might work. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: on the other hand,
Daphne writes: > still I wish I could find a nice 50/1.4... I bet you that my 50/1.4 is uglier than yours. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
A scroll of mail from Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:57:25 -0700 Read it? y >OK, the subject may be a bit confusing, but here's the situation. I >just got an assignment to shoot some art work, buildings, and >neighborhood scenes. I'd like to use both color and B&W for this >job, but I'd like the color to be as similar to TX as possible. By >that I mean a film that shows a similar grain and whose color is >more subtle and subdued than bright. OTOH, I will need decent >contrast and the ability to go to 11x14 without loosing detail. So, >any suggestions? Any questions? Seconding what Tom said, I'd also mention Fuji NPH 400 for subtle colours. For similar grain to TX, I'm not sure what you'd do, but underexposing might work. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
tom wrote: > I never thought I'd hear you say something was too sharp! What I'm looking for is a certain grain pattern and "roughness" that is attainable with TX. I've not seen that with Reala or Supra 100. > Well, portra is slightly less sharp than supra, from what I've seen > (maybe 200 rolls of portra vs. 5 rolls of supra). The NC version has > lower contrast too. Maybe Portra 400 NC would work? It definitely has a > more 'muted' color pallette than the VC or Supra. OK - you've given me some ideas. I'll grab a roll of Portra (I have a roll of VC, so I'll get some NC as well) and see how they work out. You mentioned Fujipress as well. Sounds like it may have some possibilities. Thanks Tom ... at least I've got a starting point. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: April's PUG
Chris, I'm glad you liked it enough to say so. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Niesmertelny Sent: April 3, 2001 5:40 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: April's PUG Bucky - Abstraction - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Pug comments...
> Exceptionally good PUG stuff this month, IMO! > > Favorites: > > "A Long Way From Home..." (by Ed Dombek). > A sad, evocative mood. Reminds me of being in the US > Army in Germany, in the late >1950's. > > Skip It is funny looking back 17-18 years later how one picture can make you feel like you're back somewhere. Since I was new to my first SLR when I took this, I really consider it a compliment more to the equipment than my knowledge. Thank you for the comments! Ed _ Sign up for FREE email from the Dombek Family Home Page at http://www.mail.dombek.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
2 Cameras BE (before ebay)
I am going to put two Pentax cameras on ebay tomorrow (4/4) and thought I would give the list first crack at them. I would like to keep both of these cameras, but my old eyes keep demanding a split-image viewfinder. K1000 This camera is a solid 9 in both cosmetics and function. I tested it recently and the meter is right on the money and the negs are extremely uniform. The only flaws I can see are an extremely small scratch on the top and one on the base that can just barely be felt with a finger nail. The mirror pad should also be replaced. You have your choice of a SMC Pentax-A or M 1:2 50mm lens in similar condition. $150.00 Spotmatic >From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing wrong with this camera is the base plate which shows a little use. The base and battery cover are about a 7-8. This is one of the best Spotmatics I have been able to find lately, but again I still need a split-image. The lens is a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1:1.8 55mm. Since I have my eye on a couple of lens, I'll take $100.00. If you are interested, contact me off list. -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4
Cameron, I haven't the FA 85/1.4, but I would suspect it vignette's with the flash. The FA 28-70/2.8 does for sure and it is about the same size as the FA 85. Regards, Bob S. << I finally picked up this lens this afternoon after paying off little bits each month. It's in immaculate shape, and I even know the previous owner (D.S. on this list), so I know it was not abused (he bought the 77 limited). Anyway, I am looking forward to getting some great shots with it. I would like any comments or suggestions PDML members have, and I would especially like to know if the onboard flash on my PZ1-P will vignette with this lens. I see nothing about that in the z's manual, but that's not surprising, and I don't get the inappropriate lens warning on the screen; so does that mean it works? Comments greatly appreciated. >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4
Are you in Vancouver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cameron Hood Sent: April 3, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4 I finally picked up this lens this afternoon after paying off little bits each month. It's in immaculate shape, and I even know the previous owner (D.S. on this list), so I know it was not abused (he bought the 77 limited). Anyway, I am looking forward to getting some great shots with it. I would like any comments or suggestions PDML members have, and I would especially like to know if the onboard flash on my PZ1-P will vignette with this lens. I see nothing about that in the z's manual, but that's not surprising, and I don't get the inappropriate lens warning on the screen; so does that mean it works? Comments greatly appreciated. Cameron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
Doug, MIT and Cal Tech have no 'professional' athletic teams to support. Your donations go to science research or education. Regards, Bob S. << > What can the public do? How about direct contributions to your favorite research institutions, specifically ear-marked for research? This isn't a troll, it's a real question. Do those funds actually go to research, or do I have to found an institution that can provide grants to ensure that my cash doesn't end up lining some left tackle's pocket? I'd be happy to contribute, as long as I have some reasonable level of assurance that my cash goes to the science department rather than the athletic department. TTYL, DougF >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April PUG comments: my assignment
Hi Luis, On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT), Luis Pinar wrote: > "Textures" by Doug Franklin: I just wanted to thank you for digging deep and finding something positive to say about my hackneyed attempt. I've always liked that photo (it's almost 20 years old, part of the saturation issue) but I'm the first to admit there's nothing exceptional about it. It just makes me feel calm. I think the DOF on the negative is just about "infinite" ... the shot was made on 100 or 400 ASA film with the sun powerful and high in the sky. Thanks again, Doug - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
New (to me) FA* 85mm f=1.4
I finally picked up this lens this afternoon after paying off little bits each month. It's in immaculate shape, and I even know the previous owner (D.S. on this list), so I know it was not abused (he bought the 77 limited). Anyway, I am looking forward to getting some great shots with it. I would like any comments or suggestions PDML members have, and I would especially like to know if the onboard flash on my PZ1-P will vignette with this lens. I see nothing about that in the z's manual, but that's not surprising, and I don't get the inappropriate lens warning on the screen; so does that mean it works? Comments greatly appreciated. Cameron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:50:18 -0400, Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote: > What can the public do? How about direct contributions to your favorite research institutions, specifically ear-marked for research? This isn't a troll, it's a real question. Do those funds actually go to research, or do I have to found an institution that can provide grants to ensure that my cash doesn't end up lining some left tackle's pocket? I'd be happy to contribute, as long as I have some reasonable level of assurance that my cash goes to the science department rather than the athletic department. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: on the other hand,
thanks Gianfranco! its sweet of you :-) Daphne - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Great job titles (was: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:56:41 +0100, Bob Walkden wrote: "The King's Yeti Hunter". I wonder if I can talk my boss into changing my title?! TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No Sale, Bill...
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:36:02 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not everything thought has to be spoken. > Not everthing spoken has to be written down. > Not everything written down has to be published. > Not everything published has to be read. That one goes into the quotation archives. One of my faults has always been not putting a filter between my brain and my mouth. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > tom wrote: > > > Use the film you think will best portray the subject. (Supra?) > > Since I've only shot 1 roll each of Supra (100 & 400 in my life), > and only a few rolls of Reala (which, from my experience, might be > too sharp and right the look and feel of what I'm doing), I've no I never thought I'd hear you say something was too sharp! > idea what color film may best portray the subjects, that's why I > thought I'd try to get a Tri-X like color film, because that's what > I know would be best for the subject matter and the feel I'm > striving for. I don't mind going out and buying a few short rolls > of a few types of film. but there are so many out there that I'd > like to get something that's at least in the ball park to start > with. If I've shot 10 rolls of color in the last 5 years, that > would be a lot. Well, portra is slightly less sharp than supra, from what I've seen (maybe 200 rolls of portra vs. 5 rolls of supra). The NC version has lower contrast too. Maybe Portra 400 NC would work? It definitely has a more 'muted' color pallette than the VC or Supra. It's hard to say...people just have different opinions on what films they like, as you know. You probably wouldn't go too far wrong with any pro film from Kodak or Fuji. I'm sure a case could be made for any of them. If you trust your lab, ask them what they like. They usually know what gives them the best results. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
tom wrote: > Use the film you think will best portray the subject. (Supra?) Since I've only shot 1 roll each of Supra (100 & 400 in my life), and only a few rolls of Reala (which, from my experience, might be too sharp and right the look and feel of what I'm doing), I've no idea what color film may best portray the subjects, that's why I thought I'd try to get a Tri-X like color film, because that's what I know would be best for the subject matter and the feel I'm striving for. I don't mind going out and buying a few short rolls of a few types of film. but there are so many out there that I'd like to get something that's at least in the ball park to start with. If I've shot 10 rolls of color in the last 5 years, that would be a lot. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: anybody seen the new kodak Portra B & W Film?
Hi, A couple of issues ago, there was a brief mention in Pop photography (or it could have been Peterson's) that said Kodak was about to release a Portra film in black and white. They didn't mention if it would be a C41 film, though I suspect in might. Anyone heard any follow ups, or seen the product for sale? Sid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Lots of Items
Pentax Spotmeter V, Excellent+ condition, with case & cap, fresh batteries. $200.00 Pentax Spotmatic F, Almost mint cosmetically, meter doesn't work because the metal tab in the battery compartment broke off, otherwise the meter would work. I understand it's an easy repair for someone with a little skill and who has, or can chase down, the needed part and do a little soldering. CLA within the past 18 months or so. $100.00 Hama collapsible rubber lens hood, 49mm $5.00 Spotmatic II - works perfectly but looks a bit beat up. Had some black tape on it at one time which has left a residue. Battery leaked in the compartment. Has been cleaned and repaired, but bottom plate shows evidence of leakage. Meter and shutter are within spec based on CLA done about 1.5 years ago, when batter compartment was cleaned. $50.00 Gary Winogrand Book: The Man in the Crowd. Thumbed through but once. Like New condition. $25.00 Pentax Single Lens Reflex Photography by Robert Fuhring: Hard cover, excellent+ condition. $10.00 Lens CASE for SMC Pentax 24/2.8 lens. Very good condition $10.00 Please contact me off list for details. I'll consider offers. Prices flexible. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Color Film Like Tri-X?
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > OK, the subject may be a bit confusing, but here's the situation. I > just got an assignment to shoot some art work, buildings, and > neighborhood scenes. I'd like to use both color and B&W for this > job, but I'd like the color to be as similar to TX as possible. By > that I mean a film that shows a similar grain and whose color is > more subtle and subdued than bright. OTOH, I will need decent > contrast and the ability to go to 11x14 without loosing detail. So, > any suggestions? Any questions? At first I was thinking I'd recommend Fujipress 400. Good all around press-type film, sort of tri-xy in concept. Then I thought "Hey, I do this all the time with wedding albums". My advice is to forget about trying to match a color film to a b+w. You get impact when your pictures are beautiful. Period. The color pics should match the color pics, and the b+w should match the b+w, but beyond that, just make good pics. Use the film you think will best portray the subject. (Supra?) tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My April PUG review.
Hi, My No.1 has to be " Navaho " by William Robb. I like the colors in this , the patterns in the sandstone. The panoramic format sets it off nicely. I am inspired by Collin Brendemuehl's " Sunrise Mist " and D. Glenn Arthur Jr's. " Ripples, Folds, and Rays " I like both of these equaly, and also John Cohen's " Crow walking ". James M. Adams - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Color Film Like Tri-X?
OK, the subject may be a bit confusing, but here's the situation. I just got an assignment to shoot some art work, buildings, and neighborhood scenes. I'd like to use both color and B&W for this job, but I'd like the color to be as similar to TX as possible. By that I mean a film that shows a similar grain and whose color is more subtle and subdued than bright. OTOH, I will need decent contrast and the ability to go to 11x14 without loosing detail. So, any suggestions? Any questions? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
Mine are primarily engineering journals, various of the many IEEE publications - 12 in all. Thank God my company pays for them. I keep them - forever. They are necessary as references (and for the references). Each discipline in the sciences has it's own *myriad* of journals. All large libraries have some of these journals, especially college and university libraries. Past issues are hardbound. Every report you see that you wish to investigate should contain some cite. If it does not, ignore it or read it for amusement. If it has a cite, go to the library and look it up. Otherwise, your task is most formidable and unbelievably time consuming due to the sheer number of publications. In a good library, you will be astonished at the sheer volume these take up. (much larger than a major law library!) You will have to start with a Reader's Guide to Periodicals or it's equivalent for the specific discipline you are searching. With practice, you can get fast and good at it though. Be prepared for very bland reading devoid of well composed color photos but with lot's of esoteric math and many curves and graphs. Be prepared for strange verbiage. Much of what I read discusses "hydrometeors". You and I would call them raindrops. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > P.S. I'd like to know how many true scientific journals you subscribe to > and what the cost is. I'll pay you 50% for the month old issues. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- OT stuff...Sticking Bill
Perhaps we should limit idle off-topic chat to direct email, or some other means. Likewise with slanderous crap leveled at Bill Visser. My generation were brought up to respect people, their feelings etc., so when unsure of a persons intentions, or more aptly have contracted the Ebay mentality, try and CLARIFY before STICKING BOTH FEET IN MOUTH. James - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My April PUG review.
Hi, This is late, 'cause I've been out playing with my new 85mm lens. :-) William Robb, Paul Harvey and Yves Caudano were unlucky enough to get stuck with me commenting on their photo's this month. :-) I'll do my best tho', so here goes: " Navaho ", by William Robb. I like the color in this one. There is the warm yellows and reds in the foreground that contrast with the blue sky, drawing the eye to the hills and bluffs, with the interesting zig zag pattern. Nice choice in choosing (?) or cropping to panoramic format. Also, I like the natural rendition to the whole scene, all too often, I will see pictures like this overdone with polarizing and enhancing filters (not that they don't have they're place). I think one or two nice puffy clouds would have looked cool, but, what can you do? " Sydney's Magic Mushroom " by Paul Harvey. Powerful image. Here, a polarizer was used to good effect. I like how it heightens the contrast not only between cloud and sky, but also along the windows of the building itself. Good job by the way, of catching the "decisive moment" with the cloud perfectly positioned to keep the mushroom shaped building and the MLC from disappearing into the oblivion of the deep blue sky. To nit-pick, it looks like the edges of the slide mount are visible on the right hand and bottom side of the image (yep, I've done the same thing). " Burned Forest " by Yves Caudano. At first, I kind of struggled with this image, but the more I look at it, the more I like it. Especially well done I think is the opening in the center that draws the viewer into the photograph. I wonder if this picture would have worked better in black and white? (just wondering) Also, I think that I would have either eliminated the new growth of green (grass?) at the bottom of the frame, or included more of it for a "death/rebirth" story. Good job. Regards, William in Utah. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Trust. (Was;; Re: No Sale, Bill...)
I agree with your assessment. If he were up front he would have called you on the phone and discussed it with you. Why did he go to his local shop? This should definitely raise all kinds of questions. mkr At 05:02 PM 4/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Trust is always an issue. I recently sold a Vivitar Series 1 28-90 on ebay >to a guy in Alaska. He got the lens and sent me a message the same day >that it had a slow aperture wide open, and asked what I wanted it to do. I >sent him back a message saying that I had never seen that problem when >using it with an LX body, but if he wasn't happy to pack it up and ship it >back to me and I would refund 100% of his payment. That was a week ago. > >Today I got a message from him saying that he would be shipping it back >because his local shop told him it would cost $75 to remove all the oil >and that the lens was useless to anyone in the condition it was it. Now >when I sent it out it had no visible oil on the aperture blades and I had >used it within the week prior to selling it (I got an SMC 35-105 so it >became superfluous). So now it's not just a slow aperture but oil everywhere. > >The first thing I'll be doing is checking the serial number of the lens >against the one I sold him. It wouldn't surprise me too much if he or his >"local shop" tried to pull a fast one. > >David< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
April's PUG
What an astounding display this month! I can't find one that I don't like in some way or other, but, FWIW, my favorites are noted below: David Mann - Opening Rose I've tried many times to get the quality of the rose that draws one inside, protected by the petals that beckon one deeper into the mystery. Nice job! John Cohen - Crow Walking I love that the bench is as tangible and real and solid as you've portrayed. The bird in motion and the distant veiled trees just make the bench that much more real. Tom Cakalic - Harborside I don't know what it is, and don't care. Hypnotic and psychedelic are probably not the best terms I could find to describe it, but the touches of aqua and red spin in my head. Bucky - Abstraction I don't know much about art, but I know what I like...an amazing found juxtapostion of shapes and that one electric color. Striking! Serge Kozak - Bridge in Motion I feel like I'm in the spider's web with this one, the vehicles beneath trying mightly to escape before the spider strikes...perhaps a wider angle to get just that much more of the passing cars? William Johnson - Columns and Reflections The rigid lines and repetitous structure of the ancient and modern style of architecture are counterpointed very nicely by the wierd reflections in the mirrored building. Cotty - Waitress My personal favorite. Very subtle, no discernable commentary (not a class thing), just a regular person doing a normal thing, in almost a statue-like expression. Ollen Mullis - Ice Planet Spaulding Gotta love a frozen basketball! Great texture, if the grass could be darker it would have been perfect! D Glenn Arthur - Ripples, Folds and Rays Reminds me of the cover of the booklets that Jehovah's Witnesses leave door to door, or the end scene from an old melodramatic movie. It just makes me feel good. Gianfranco Irland - Assembly in the Court Where's Waldo? A human tapestry. Bruce Dayton - Caramel The gooey caramel color makes the sky and clouds particularly vibrant. I've used up too much bandwidth as it is, but to sum it all up, great show! Best regards, Chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April '01 Commentary
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:40:04 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: >Here's my comments for April. My personal approach to judging a shot are >(a) did you get what you wanted and >(b) does it communicate the desired thought or evoke the desired feeling. >Some of my comments are just to be a little silly, but I do respect each shot. >" Flowing Rock " by Gary L. Murphy, U.S.A. > I think you succeeded. It's a good shot with the lighting results you wanted. Thanks, Collin. And while I'm at it, your shot is my personal favorite. I only wish that I had access to that type of scene where I live Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
Well we only have so much time in our lives John. I can fit in work, sleep, going to the bathroom, playing with my son, wasting time watching TV, fixing the toilets, photography, etc., etc. etc. When I read a scientific or pseudo-scientific article and see quotation marks I accept it as such. When the quotation marks end then I read it in a different light. I didn't intend to broadly paint the scientific community as a whole in a bad light, even though I used the phrase scientific community. I am not anti-science at all, it's one of my favorite subjects. My poor choice of words has unfortunately led to that appearance. And I did mention headlines at first , which you are correct, is not necessarily what scientists say. I stand corrected on that. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > aimcompute wrote: > > > > The fact that I don't accept what I am spoon-fed is the entire reason this > > topic started. > > Errm, no. You seem to believe, without question, that what you read > is a true and accurate representation of what 'scientists' say, and > go on from that premise to condemn science as a whole. > > Bob is questioning your assumptions. Somewhat abrasively, perhaps, > but the substance of what he said appears to be pretty accurate. > > -- > John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. > (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 > (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 > Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic SP II , IIa and F
Hi Kelvin, I have used an SPF since they were introduced in 73, and I've had an SP since October last year, and I love them both!! I can't speak for any other cameras, since I've never tried any other camera, with the exception of a brief stint with a Minolta SLR in 82(Said camera deceased - ended up at 25Ft down in the harbour at RAF Gan - Maldives). Been tempted to buy an SP II, I saw a couple of weeks ago in Vancouver, but I may wait until I've been to the Camera Swap Meet in Vancouver on Sunday. James - Original Message - From: "Kelvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: Spotmatic SP II , IIa and F > I'm considering one of these spots for myself , and am leaning towards the > "F" > because it has open-aperture metering. > > However, my assortment of lenses includes those with levers (SMC-Tak), > as well as those which don't (super Tak, pre-set lenses etc.) ... so , would > the > "F" still be able to meter without the lever of the later lenses? > > For general use hence, would I be better off with the II or IIa? What's the > diff b/n these two as well? > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax shutter noise?
A scroll of mail from Matti Etelapera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:13:17 +0300 (EEST) Read it? y >Are there any really silent Pentaxes? MXs are pretty quiet. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
I agree. Haughty "debates" between know-it-alls benefit no one. Go to e-mail if you want to continue with this tripe. It'll probably die quicker there; without the audience neither side will be grandstanding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute Sent: April 3, 2001 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... Time to shut up Bob! Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Not enough time to comment in depth. I've been reminded already how far OT > > this is. > > > > You make many good points. I agree with virtually all of them. You are > > correct, it is the sensationalism I am objecting to... when a member of the > > scientific community is quoted however, I also reserve the right to decide > > (in my mind) whether they are speculating Vs. speaking science. > > Yeah, right. I've been quoted by the media before too. If you stop insisting on listening > to the media, and stop being so damned accepting of the accuracy and context of their > quotes, you may, just may learn something. The point is: stop listening to the pig tell > you what the horse said. Get your information from the horse's mouth. You stand there > ready to make a judgment on a significant portion of the scientific community based on > hearsay. I certainly don't want you on my jury! > > > My comments seem to have implied to many that I may have doubted the > > existence of extra-solar planets, or the evidence thereof. That is not the > > case. It is more the tone in which the announcements are made. The media > > as you say, may be to blame for that. OTOH, the scientific community uses > > the media as their mouthpiece, do they not? > > Sometimes, but generally no. Much of what you get in the way of science is gleaned from > journals and reports not made to or intended for the media. The various wire services have > science writers who's job it is to read the material and then turn it into copy that will > sell - translate as glue your eyeball to the tube. You are naive. The media's ONLY goal is > to make money through advertising. This is the ONLY way they make money. The more > listeners or readers, the more they can charge per minute or inch. They are not about to > report the mundane. Beyond the media's only goal (money) there are the personal (and very > large) ego's involved and a very real desire to wield power. It's time for you to get over > the quaint idea that the "news" is about giving you news. It's time for you to stop > sitting around on your arse accepting what you are spoon fed and denigrating entire > professions (or significant portions thereof) based on your personal interpretation of > this pabulum. > > Regards, > Bob... > --- > "In the carboniferous epoch > we were promised perpetual peace. > They swore if we gave up our weapons > that the wars of the tribes would cease. > But when we disarmed they sold us, > and delivered us, bound, to our foe. > And the gods of the copybook headings said, > 'Stick to the devil you know.' " > --Rudyard Kipling > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Big Bad Bill??
Bill Visser wrote: > Att: Skip, > I am replying to your personal public slander of me, which leaves me > no option but to reply in the same public forum, although this would not > be my choice. > I would prefer to deal with you personally. > Sorry to bore the rest of the PDML members. Don't worry Bill. I think that anyone who has followed this thread thinks that a response by you to the list is most appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised if even Skip thinks so too.) [snipped, Bill's version] Bill continues, to Skip: > - THE FACT IS THAT YOU DID HURT MY REPUTATION. The question now is, > WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? A a public apology is in order. Not wishing to prolong this unfortunate thread/argument nor to interfer with your discussion with Skip, I would however like to say, Bill, that I do think that you - by your message - have restored any possible damage to your reputation, at least as far as the readers of the PDML goes. I hope that you will find a way to soon get over what you have been subject to. I also think that I speak for all members of the PDML when I say that you are most welcome to participate on the list, should you want to do so. Hoping for a peaceful settlement of this issue, Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
aimcompute wrote: > > The fact that I don't accept what I am spoon-fed is the entire reason this > topic started. Errm, no. You seem to believe, without question, that what you read is a true and accurate representation of what 'scientists' say, and go on from that premise to condemn science as a whole. Bob is questioning your assumptions. Somewhat abrasively, perhaps, but the substance of what he said appears to be pretty accurate. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
P.S. I'd like to know how many true scientific journals you subscribe to and what the cost is. I'll pay you 50% for the month old issues. Tom C. > > Bob wrote: > > > It's time for you to get over > > the quaint idea that the "news" is about giving you news. It's time for > you to stop > > sitting around on your arse accepting what you are spoon fed and > denigrating entire > > professions (or significant portions thereof) based on your personal > interpretation of > > this pabulum. > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Trust. (Was;; Re: No Sale, Bill...)
Skip, Do you have a url for Ken-Mar? Sounds like I'd love to look them up and see if they have anything I 'need.' Bill dosk wrote: > Fr: Skip > > When I stated I would probably now buy 'used' only from eBay and from shops > like KEH and Ken-Mar, I inadvertently left out another very much trusted > resource. And that, of course, is the regular (and not quite so regular) > members of this list, with whom I believe I could buy from (and sell to) > with trust and safety. > > I also, on second thought, feel that I have may have been a little too > sarcastic with some of my comments as to the seller in that recent screwed > up transaction, and afterwards, also, to Tom. > My apologies... > > As far as trusted sales places; Ken-Mar has just returned my $63 Kiron 24/2 > that first came with a stuck shutter and so was returned to them. It was > fixed under the store warranty, no charge, mailing or otherwise, so I think > that is a pretty good deal. I doubt if they made any money at all on this > double transaction, and it was nice to see that they deal in good faith and > I would definitely use them again. > > Skip > > > I would have to say the PDML is a great resource for buyers and sellers. > > For long-time list members, we have developed a sort of trust, that is > > backed up by the fact that if a dirty deed is done, our own reputation > would > > be shot. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
The fact that I don't accept what I am spoon-fed is the entire reason this topic started. Tom C. Bob wrote: > It's time for you to get over > the quaint idea that the "news" is about giving you news. It's time for you to stop > sitting around on your arse accepting what you are spoon fed and denigrating entire > professions (or significant portions thereof) based on your personal interpretation of > this pabulum. > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
Time to shut up Bob! Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Not enough time to comment in depth. I've been reminded already how far OT > > this is. > > > > You make many good points. I agree with virtually all of them. You are > > correct, it is the sensationalism I am objecting to... when a member of the > > scientific community is quoted however, I also reserve the right to decide > > (in my mind) whether they are speculating Vs. speaking science. > > Yeah, right. I've been quoted by the media before too. If you stop insisting on listening > to the media, and stop being so damned accepting of the accuracy and context of their > quotes, you may, just may learn something. The point is: stop listening to the pig tell > you what the horse said. Get your information from the horse's mouth. You stand there > ready to make a judgment on a significant portion of the scientific community based on > hearsay. I certainly don't want you on my jury! > > > My comments seem to have implied to many that I may have doubted the > > existence of extra-solar planets, or the evidence thereof. That is not the > > case. It is more the tone in which the announcements are made. The media > > as you say, may be to blame for that. OTOH, the scientific community uses > > the media as their mouthpiece, do they not? > > Sometimes, but generally no. Much of what you get in the way of science is gleaned from > journals and reports not made to or intended for the media. The various wire services have > science writers who's job it is to read the material and then turn it into copy that will > sell - translate as glue your eyeball to the tube. You are naive. The media's ONLY goal is > to make money through advertising. This is the ONLY way they make money. The more > listeners or readers, the more they can charge per minute or inch. They are not about to > report the mundane. Beyond the media's only goal (money) there are the personal (and very > large) ego's involved and a very real desire to wield power. It's time for you to get over > the quaint idea that the "news" is about giving you news. It's time for you to stop > sitting around on your arse accepting what you are spoon fed and denigrating entire > professions (or significant portions thereof) based on your personal interpretation of > this pabulum. > > Regards, > Bob... > --- > "In the carboniferous epoch > we were promised perpetual peace. > They swore if we gave up our weapons > that the wars of the tribes would cease. > But when we disarmed they sold us, > and delivered us, bound, to our foe. > And the gods of the copybook headings said, > 'Stick to the devil you know.' " > --Rudyard Kipling > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax SMC-F 50/1.7
Tanya asks: > Does anybody have any comments on or experience with the SMC-F 50/1.7? It's a fine lens, I doubt any of the Pentax 50's can be considered anything less. I had one for a while and my PUG entry this go-round was made w/ it. Not having an AF camera, or seeing one in my near future, I opted to keep an A50mm f2 instead of the F, which I sold to a list member for US$40 I find myself rarely using a 50mm, though I have several m42 mount ones besides the A Unless you absolutely feel that you must have an f1.4 or even a f1.2, the f1.7's are still quite fast Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April '01 Commentary
Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > " Assembly in the Court " by Gianfranco Irlanda > Outstanding composition. Thanks for the kind words, Collin! Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April '01 Commentary
- Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 3, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: April '01 Commentary > Here's my comments for April.. > Some of my comments are just to be a little silly, but I do respect each shot. > " Navaho " by William Robb > Great scenic. Thanks Collin. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: EB: Cute auction
Kinda cute ? Downright dumb more like. (Excuse the (non)English). The guy opens the back with a film still loaded (Ok anyone could do it). But then apologises that the bidder may have lost some picture taking ability and asks for the bidder to send him back the processed results. As if the winning bidder isn't going to just dispose of the ruined film. I must admit though that before responding to this post and taking into account the person who raised it, I was careful to check that the auction wasn't listed on Apr 1. :) I felt quite left out on the Apr 1 gags because I didn't download my mail till late and I have them sorted by topic. Accordingly "April 1" titles beginning with "A" came top of my list and I read the reactions ( and was therefore fore-warned) before seeing any of the gags. Admit to being amused by your antics though Chris. Peter > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Brogden > Sent: 03 April 2001 18:56 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: EB: Cute auction > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227346896 > > This one's for a K-1000. The description is kinda cute, especially > given the seller's name. :) > > chris > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: on the other hand,
Daphne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my 'new' 24/3.5-K has turned out to be fine... after initial anxiousing > about a rub mark which turned out to be a grease smudge (took it off), > so I guess not all is bad... Happy to read that. Good for you. > still I wish I could find a nice 50/1.4... I'm sure you will, sooner or later! Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April PUG comments: my assignment
Luis Pinar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Assembly in the Court" by Gianfranco Irlanda: > The radial pattern is the first thing I notice. At > first it seems chaotic, but then you can see the order > there. Visually it reminds me of a sunflower macro > shot. The wide angle view is what this scene calls > for. There seems to be some light fall off at the > corners (due to the lens?). Hi Luis, Thanks indeed for the kind comments. About the light fall off: yes, it could be due to the lens. The Mir is not the best lens in this respect, and I'm not really sure about the aperture setting (I'm sure it was not wide open, in which case the corners would have been very poor, but it could have been anything from f/4,5 to f/8 - the scene was a bit dull, although the day was very sunny). > Did you take any photos including what they > were looking at? Yes I did, but there is nothing very interesting: the students were looking at the Chief of the Police making some statement about the occupied University (you can see at the bottom of the frame a man with a videocamera recording the scene). Another shot from above portrays the Chief of Police that goes away ploughing his way through the crowd. Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
bruce's comments to david
Thanks for your comments Bruce.I knew someone would comment on the scan.It was done at a 1 hour place and i told them is was for my web site so he made a small image but at least people can see what i shot, for the most part. I agree with your remarks about the crop,and background however i have no control over how they place these jumps so i try to find the best of both forground and background.When i'm better known i will be admitted into the ring and will have a better view of things. How i set up is also important.I watch a few practice rounds to find a good location,check framing and 'dry shoot' to help with my timing.I find hand held for me better as in a lot of shows if i shoot more than one jump from a location i have to move quickly a few feet left or right,making a tripod a bit of a pain,but i understand what you are saying about using one.By moving around my location i can usually get 2-4 jumps from the side(as in the pug submition),at about 30-40 degrees and hopefully 1 from the front.Also the higher the jump the better hang tiome i have to play with. The team i follow is from the stable we board at and have 20 -25 riders at a show.If all goes well i can take 10-12 shots per rider per show.Last season i ran off just under 1000 frames and about 400 of them have most aspects of a good photo.But for the most part things like poor timing,horse or rider not doing quite what they are supposed to are just plain miss the shot are not uncommon.I used the best ones last year to put a yearbook together for the kids and they loved it. As you may have quessed show jumping photography takes up 90% of my time but i have yet to abandon landscapes b&w etc. Once again Bruce thanks for the comments,they are appreciated very much.I hope this does not sound like a bitching,just wanted to give everyone an idea of haow i go about this. Great shots this month everyone David from Toronto(area) Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax SMC-F 50/1.7
Does anybody have any comments on or experience with the SMC-F 50/1.7? I have checked both Stan's and Boz's and other Pentax sites but cannot find anything by way of user comments or reviews, only specs. Any info would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance... Tanya. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > Hi Bill, > > Not enough time to comment in depth. I've been reminded already how far OT > this is. > > You make many good points. I agree with virtually all of them. You are > correct, it is the sensationalism I am objecting to... when a member of the > scientific community is quoted however, I also reserve the right to decide > (in my mind) whether they are speculating Vs. speaking science. Yeah, right. I've been quoted by the media before too. If you stop insisting on listening to the media, and stop being so damned accepting of the accuracy and context of their quotes, you may, just may learn something. The point is: stop listening to the pig tell you what the horse said. Get your information from the horse's mouth. You stand there ready to make a judgment on a significant portion of the scientific community based on hearsay. I certainly don't want you on my jury! > My comments seem to have implied to many that I may have doubted the > existence of extra-solar planets, or the evidence thereof. That is not the > case. It is more the tone in which the announcements are made. The media > as you say, may be to blame for that. OTOH, the scientific community uses > the media as their mouthpiece, do they not? Sometimes, but generally no. Much of what you get in the way of science is gleaned from journals and reports not made to or intended for the media. The various wire services have science writers who's job it is to read the material and then turn it into copy that will sell - translate as glue your eyeball to the tube. You are naive. The media's ONLY goal is to make money through advertising. This is the ONLY way they make money. The more listeners or readers, the more they can charge per minute or inch. They are not about to report the mundane. Beyond the media's only goal (money) there are the personal (and very large) ego's involved and a very real desire to wield power. It's time for you to get over the quaint idea that the "news" is about giving you news. It's time for you to stop sitting around on your arse accepting what you are spoon fed and denigrating entire professions (or significant portions thereof) based on your personal interpretation of this pabulum. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
April PUG comments: my assignment
Hi everybody,
My assignment this month concerns the shots taken by Arnold Stark, Alexey
Tikhonov and Ollen Mullis.
"Droplets 2" by Arnold Stark
At first glance I found the huge drop on the right to be a bit disturbing to
the general balance of the image. After few minutes I got used to it and I
thought it gives to the shot the right sense of deep, it contributes to a
tridimensional vision of the pattern of drops.
I would have tried to focus on a drop closer to the observer: there are two
drops in focus (or almost in focus) that hang cut in half at the extreme right
and left, which bring the observer to follow a wrong visual path (they bring
out of the frame).
"Plastilin Courtyard" by Alexey Tikhonov
Very nice shot. I'm very fond of city scenes and this reminds me of some movie
of the fifties or the early sixties ("West Side Story" comes to mind).
It also makes me think of an oil painting: the texture of the plaster so
nicely modeled by the lights is so real that becomes unreal... (I hope to be
forgiven for a statement like this :)
Well done!
"Ice Planet Spalding" by Ollen Mullis
>From Mel Brooks' "Spaceballs" I suppose... :)
Sorry, couldn't resist! Let's go to the comments...
Well, it does fit well the theme, and it's a nice way to look at a ball (a
darker background would have been perfect, but it would have meant to touch
the ball, damaging the frost). It could become a nice advertising message.
I'd have done a closer shot of the frozen surface, too (not easy indeed with
the 20mm).
Just my opinion, though.
Other comments soon...
Gianfranco
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Big Bad Bill??
Att: Skip, I am replying to your personal public slander of me, which leaves me no option but to reply in the same public forum, although this would not be my choice. I would prefer to deal with you personally. Sorry to bore the rest of the PDML members. No I am not the bad defrauding person that has prompted you to warn others of my un-substantiated mis-deeds. If your aim was to hurt me or get even for some perceived wrong-doing, then you have certainly accomplished your goal. The following points give my side of the story: 1)April 3, you wrote to PDML "The way he dropped from 150 to 115 for such a pristine SF1N body so very quickly, and then offered a "wild" lens to up the amount again, really put me off... While it looked like a good buy, I was never sure it was authentic" - On Tuesday March 27 I listed the camera body at 150usd (or best offer) You told me on Thursday March 29, that you had seen an excellent SF1N body for sale on KEH for 133 USD and you offered to pay me 115, I did not quickly drop the price but agreed with your price of 115 USD. - This "wild" lens was manufactured in Japan under license from Zeiss-Jena back in the mid sixties with a pentax mount. As an after-thought I offered the Zeiss lens w/UV filter and two replacement lithium batteries to you at 105 USD extra. -You advised me that you would need to check out the Zeiss lens with a friend and you are not sure that you want to purchase it and if you buy the complete package then it would have to be an escrow type of deal. - That weekend I accepted a local offer for the body w/Zeiss lens and on Monday I informed you that the camera and lens are no longer for sale. 2) On April 2 you wrote to PDML "I mean after all a brand new SF1N and a Carl Zeiss-Jena 28-80 zoom f1.4-5(???) lens (which a knowledgeable person has told me that he never knew Zeiss-Jena made a zoom), with a skylight filter thrown in too, for only $100.00 more?" and "Just don't go and offend this cat by mentioning escrow transactions and you should be ok! And his address, given only after being requested, Western Canada, is not that big a place, right? Should be able to track him down easily if you should get shafted, right?" - The camera was not "brand new" and at 115usd I considered it a fair price - A similar Zeiss-Jena zoom lens is presently listed on e-bay at 85usd therefore I consider the 100usd to be a fair price. - I was not offended by being asked to make it an escrow deal. - My address was at the bottom of the listing to PDML on Tuesday March 27 - No, Western Canada is a fairly big place, about 1/3 the area of the USA. You must be American, is it true that geography (outside of the USA) is not a required school subject? (sorry if I offended you, but I find your observation about the size of Western Canada quite humourous) - And then what would you do once you tracked me down, if in fact I am the bad guy you make me out to be?? (just kidding Skip, pleeease don't write another slanderous letter to PDML, you scare me) 3) On April 2 you wrote to PDML, "Now I'm not saying anything was wrong with Mr Bill Visser's deal. No. But I'd just thought I'd mention it to other PDML members" - If there was nothing wrong with my deal, then what was the purpose of your slanderous assault?? - One of the PDML members (Gerald Sermak) wrote recently and I quote: "There is nothing wrong or illegal about sharing your business experiences and leaving it up to the reader to draw his own conclusions. The illegal comes when you start to slander the individual/business by injecting your own opinions without supporting evidence" 3) On April 2 you wrote to PDML "I don't know now. Maybe I was wrong in reporting my transactions the way I did. It's true the deal just didn't feel right to me... I was (and am now) not wanting to hurt any ones reputation. I was trying to warn others about a possible (and only possible) danger. Perhaps I could've been fairer" - THE FACT IS THAT YOU DID HURT MY REPUTATION. The question now is, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? A a public apology is in order. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M 100 f4 Macro
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear members. I just want to know the max. magn of this lens. It's 1:2 > or 1:1 ? Opinions in performance? It's a 1:2 lens, though it will reach 1:1 with some extension tubes (50mm?). As far as performance goes, it's a superb lens. Very sharp, and with smooth bokeh. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: April '01 Commentary
Collin wrote: > Here's my comments for April. My personal approach to judging a shot are > (a) did you get what you wanted and > (b) does it communicate the desired thought or evoke the desired feeling. > Some of my comments are just to be a little silly, but I do > respect each shot. > > " Crow walking " by John Cohen, USA > This is my favorite this month. The contrast is distinct > and keeps the > segments of the image discernable. Yes, this picture sure got my attention as well, I like it also very much. I do want to ad some criticism, just my view, take no offence. (And I did say I like it). The bench is facing directly to the left, directly out of the picture. It would have been nicer if it was facing to the right, and guiding the viewer into the frame, but you obviously don't want to move it around and disturb the snow by doing that. Also the shadow falls out of the frame, which I dislike a bit. Now, I don't know the situation, but suppose you had space around you and the crow would co-operate by staying where it is: you walk to the left, and then the bench is in the right of the frame facing the desired direction, the shadow would be visible in the picture, and hopefully the crow would be in the left part of the picture and you would still have that nice background. I think it would made a more balanced picture. Frits. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax shutter noise?
When i had an MeSuper it also had a very quiet and satisfying shutter sound. Felt a lot more soldid, yet quiet than all my other pentax.. I took some photos of a cat on the weekend close up with my 24/2 and the shutter noise scared the the cat :) - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Pentax shutter noise? I'm not familiar with the Super A, but have not had this problem with the Pz-1p or Pz-70, which I've used for birding. Neither have cery loud shutters though. I have had a problem with my Tokina ATX 400mm f5.6 in autofocus mode. It tends rip through the focal range and then make a sharp "crack" when it hits the end stop. But that's unique to that camera.The quietest Pentax model I have experience with is the ME Super, which makes a subdued "snick" upon being fired.- MCCAt 11:13 PM 4/2/01 +0300, Matti Etelapera wrote: I was photographing some birds the past weekend with my Super A and Tamron80-200/2.8. Sitting three meters from my target, it took some 15 minutesfor the birds to begin ignoring me so that I could begin taking pictures.One thing the birds didn´t get used to was the shutter sound of the SuperA. This scared them away for a couple of minutes every time I took apicture.How would you rate the noise of this camera against the LX for example?Are there any really silent Pentaxes? - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com- - - - - - - - - -
Re: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff...
Hi Bill, Not enough time to comment in depth. I've been reminded already how far OT this is. You make many good points. I agree with virtually all of them. You are correct, it is the sensationalism I am objecting to... when a member of the scientific community is quoted however, I also reserve the right to decide (in my mind) whether they are speculating Vs. speaking science. My comments seem to have implied to many that I may have doubted the existence of extra-solar planets, or the evidence thereof. That is not the case. It is more the tone in which the announcements are made. The media as you say, may be to blame for that. OTOH, the scientific community uses the media as their mouthpiece, do they not? Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: RE: State of Science -- more interesting but OT stuff... > Tom C. wrote: > >I remember in the 70's (maybe before that) when the star Aldeberan > >was one of the first stars suspected if having planets because of it's > >wobble effect across the sky. > [Snip] > >It is this wobble method of detection that I was referring to, that 20 > >years ago was only strong enough to be considered possible > >evidence, but today is headlined as proof. > > Then Bob Blakely wrote: > [A clear and concise reply on the underlying physics, snipped here > for brevity] > > Then Tom C. replied: > >My point still is... Today the trend in the scientific community > >seems to be increasingly towards stating theory or opinion as > >proven scientific fact. It is a case of draw a conclusion, look for > >evidence to support it, ignore evidence to the contrary. Essentially > >the reverse of the true scientific method. Witness the Martian > >meteorite ALH 84001. > [Snip -- comments on ALH84001, Mars missions, etc] > >I would like to read more "we think", "mights" and "maybes", as > >opposed to "scientific dogma". > > Hi Tom, > > Even though we're way off-topic, I can't help but respond to your comments > on the state of science, just to offer the perspective of a formerly active > academic researcher in the physical sciences. > > But first some even further-off-topic comments on the search for extra-solar > planets, because this is a really cool research area. Just for the record, > that "wobbling" you're talking about (term probably coined by a journalist, > not an astonomer, I'd suspect) is not a wobble that anyone has detected in > the *physical* position of any star, but rather a wobble in the > *spectroscopic* position of particular absorption or emission lines in its > spectrum. Huh??? You're familiar with the Doppler effect, where an > approaching vehicle's siren has a slightly higher pitch than the same siren > on the same vehicle as it's speeding away from you, right? Same thing > happens with light. Imagine a dim, distant object that is emitting a very > pure color of light, of a very narrow distribution of wavelengths. Now > imagine that you have a very high-resolution spectrograph -- an instrument > that measures the wavelength of incoming light, as well as the width of the > very narrow distribution of wavelengths. You'd find that the wavelength > would get a very tiny bit shorter when the object was moving toward you, and > would conversely get a very tiny bit longer when the object was moving away > from you. This is essentially how these extra-solar planets have been > discovered to this point -- watch the positions of narrow spectral lines > change over the time period of a presumed planetary rotation about the star. > The problem in doing this experiment is that you need a high-resolution > instrument, and as you improve your resolution, you also decrease your > signal. The practical details for performing this experiment have improved > greatly over the last twenty years, as Bob implies. Biggest advance has > probably been in the development of highly sensitive CCD detectors. In > fact, CCD cameras now available at moderate cost to amateurs provide the > kind of performance from suburban backyards that was only attainable twenty > years ago at the most exclusive research observatories in the world's > darkest sites. > > Now back to the off-topic subject of the state of science. I'd have to take > issue with you here. I think what you're seeing is the state of science, > *as portrayed in the popular press*. I'd agree that this paints a pretty > pathetic picture. There is a lot of glossed over crap in the popular press, > and I'd maintain that the level of scientific literacy in the US is pretty > poor. Thus, you see things in the popular press like all the hyperbole > surrounding ALH84001. (This isn't even the most extreme example. Do you > remember all the hoopla in the popular press surrounding so-called "cold > fusion" back in 1989? Aarrrgh!! And of course, the latest findings from > the obscure-clinical-journa
Re: Trust. (Was;; Re: No Sale, Bill...)
Trust is always an issue. I recently sold a Vivitar Series 1 28-90 on ebay to a guy in Alaska. He got the lens and sent me a message the same day that it had a slow aperture wide open, and asked what I wanted it to do. I sent him back a message saying that I had never seen that problem when using it with an LX body, but if he wasn't happy to pack it up and ship it back to me and I would refund 100% of his payment. That was a week ago. Today I got a message from him saying that he would be shipping it back because his local shop told him it would cost $75 to remove all the oil and that the lens was useless to anyone in the condition it was it. Now when I sent it out it had no visible oil on the aperture blades and I had used it within the week prior to selling it (I got an SMC 35-105 so it became superfluous). So now it's not just a slow aperture but oil everywhere. The first thing I'll be doing is checking the serial number of the lens against the one I sold him. It wouldn't surprise me too much if he or his "local shop" tried to pull a fast one. David< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No Sale, Bill...
Paul wrote: >>Let's reserve highly critical comments for individuals who post something mean-spirited. The way that well-intentioned Skip is being attacked, you can be sure that I--and no doubt others--will stay mum about our own suspect sellers. From the Talmud: Not everything thought has to be spoken. Not everthing spoken has to be written down. Not everything written down has to be published. Not everything published has to be read. << And also... Days are scrolls: write on them only what you want Remembered. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No Sale, Bill...
Let's reserve highly critical comments for individuals who post something mean-spirited. The way that well-intentioned Skip is being attacked, you can be sure that I--and no doubt others--will stay mum about our own suspect sellers. >From the Talmud: Not everything thought has to be spoken. Not everthing spoken has to be written down. Not everything written down has to be published. Not everything published has to be read. Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: (703) 834-4648 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fw: ALERT: Major Solar Flare Alert - Class X17.1 Solar Flare Observed
I'm not sure Dave. I got the impression it was a different one, because I had got the other message too. From the reading I've been doing, I am surmising the effects of a flare directed at Earth can take anywhere from minutes to maybe a day to reach us, depending on what components we're talking about. I'm not that scientifically versed in it all. I just know that I'm looking up whenever there's a possibility. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "David A. Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: ALERT: Major Solar Flare Alert - Class X17.1 Solar Flare Observed > Tom C. writes: > > > Don't give up on Aurora photos. This was just delivered to me. > [...] > > I read about an X-class flare this morning which was pointed away from > Earth. Is this a different one? > > How much time do we have between a flare being detected and the auroras > starting? > > I hope there's plenty of auroral action over Easter; I might go back to Lake > Tekapo (which is nice enough during the day). > > Cheers, > > > - Dave > > David A. Mann, B.E. > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ > > "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, > while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Pug comments...
Thanks Skip. > > "Harborside" (by Thomas Cakalic) and "Falls" (by Ken Waller). > Both look like good painter's abstractions in design and color. Both very > pleasing and fascinating to the eye... A Jackson Pollack "Harborside". And > the "...Falls" looks like an artists oil palette... > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: State of Science was: Bovine Growth Hormone, Bad Milk & Lesions
Hi Bob, I am sure everything you say is true. I think the term wobble, in reference to stars, was probably coined by astronomers themselves as a short-hand method of referring to the phenomena. My point still is... Today the trend in the scientific community seems to be increasingly towards stating theory or opinion as proven scientific fact. It is a case of draw a conclusion, look for evidence to support it, ignore evidence to the contrary. Essentially the reverse of the true scientific method. Witness the Martian meteorite ALH 84001. In 1996, it was postulated that it might contain a microbe, a fossilized piece of primitive life. Five years later (about a month ago), headlines read something like "Martian Microbe Confirmed as Early Life". It turns out this was the opinion of one research team. There is a whole slew of astro-biologists that are not ready to stick their necks on the line. It was amazing, back in 1996, that the original announcement was made during the same week congress was considering funding for more Mars projects. Coincidence? I'm not saying they shouldn't be funded or it's a bad use of money. What I am saying, is that the difference between conclusions drawn by direct observation Vs. what is more or less circumstantial evidence, leaves room for doubt. I would like to read more "we think", "mights" and "maybes", as opposed to "scientific dogma". Science has been wrong countless times in the past. The more we learn, the more we realize we don't know. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Bovine Growth Hormone, Bad Milk & Lesions > The general laws of motion for heavenly bodies was developed by Kepler > (1571-1630). Newton's (1642-1727) law says that for every action there is an > equal and opposite reaction, further he developed the law of gravity, > acceleration as a function of combined mass and distance. This mathematics, > along with the calculus, proved gravity the natural force that defined > Kepler's equations. Today, we see some stars move back and forth with > definite period when plotted over some time. Since they move, acceleration > is taking place. If acceleration is taking place there must be an equal and > opposite reaction somewhere. We see this movement with binary stars, but > with the observation we are discussing, no second star is seen. Whatever it > is that is supplying the mass necessary to produce this phenomena is dark. > From the period, size of displacement, and the estimated mass of the > observed star (from brightness, temperature, etc.) a size (mass) may be > estimated for the dark mass (planet). From the accuracy of the > instrumentation and from the verified statistics of other observations, an > accuracy for this mass estimate can be determined. Over time (your 20 years) > the accuracy of measurements has increased dramatically to make the mass > estimates sufficiently tight to identify a planet. Since we have all > observed the dramatic advances in technology in the past 20 years (what > computer were you using in 1981?), it is not surprising that what was once > an educated conjecture has now been verified. All this sounds quite well > grounded in science and mathematics to me. In other words, it IS > scientifically based. FYI, most of the measurements are made using > photography (and a clock and calendar). > > I have no idea where this word "wobble" came from, but can only assume it > was used by someone in an attempt to reference the phenomena for those > ignorant in astronomy and it somehow stuck. The star is NOT wobbling. It is > moving back and forth in relation to the background stars. > > Regards, > Bob... > > Give blood. Play hockey. > > From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I remember in the 70's (maybe before that) when the star Aldeberan was one > > of the first stars suspected if having planets because of it's wobble > effect > > across the sky. My choice of the word observation in my earlier post was > > probably a poor one... > > > > It is this wobble method of detection that I was referring to, that 20 > years > > ago was only strong enough to be considered possible evidence, but today > is > > headlined as proof. So, I don't doubt that the wobble method is > > scientifically based. I am just perplexed by the strength of the > conclusion > > that are drawn now versus then. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
re: PUG comments
Humble thanks, Tom, Skip and Collin! Tom, I will leave the black framing out in the future. Promise. It was just an impulse to emphasise that the image comes from a 645 slide BTW, It's my first attempts with the Epson 1640SU scanner, and I really like it so far. Thanks again, Jostein Tom C wrote: " Fern Fractal " by Jostein Øksne - Very Nice. I would have cropped the excess film from the scanned frame. Excellent. Skip wrote: "Fern Fractal" (by Jostein Oksne). Great, welcoming, nature shot. Makes me feel like a hard working insect who is returning contentedly to his home after a tough day. A real feeling of being swallowed up by nature comes thru... Collin Brendemuehl wrote: " Fern Fractal " by Jostein Øksne If you don't have this on your wall at home I'd be disappointed. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax shutter noise?
Yes: A Super Program with a broken shutter or dead batteries. > Are there any really silent Pentaxes? Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: (703) 834-4648 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: PUG Commentary
-Original Message- From: IronWorks>> Paul Provencher's "Vanishing Vista" Thanks for your comments. The photo is dark. It was a compromise resulting from the limitations of film, photo paper and scanning. I needed to preserve the highlight detail, and lost the shadow detail in the bargain. The print is better in this regard. ppro - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax shutter noise?
"The quietest Pentax model I have experience with is the ME Super, which makes a subdued "snick" upon being fired. - MCC" Am I the only one who finds the MZ models extremely quiet? Certainly when I need to take pictures unobtrusively (eg at theatre dress rehearsals) I choose the MZ5n in preference to the MEsuper. Does anyone else share this experience or do I have a duff MEsuper? James Brooks E-MAILS are susceptible to interference. You should not assume that the contents originated from the sender or the Zetex Group or that they have been accurately reproduced from their original form. Zetex accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity with the sender. Visit us onhttp://www.zetex.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: April '01 Commentary
-Original Message- From: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>" Vanishing Vista " by Paul M. Provencher, USA Is this a morning shot?<< Could be - but it's late afternoon - same difference. Thanks for the comments. ppro - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spotmatic SP II , IIa and F
Of the three cameras, (SPII, SPIIa, SPF) the SPII will probably be the cheapest. The functional differences between them are basically: SPII - stop-down metering, via switch next to lens mount, hot shoe with FP or X setting (and FP and X pc sockets), Meter sensitivity EV1-EV18 SPIIa - same as SPII except no hot shoe synch choice, addition of Strobo-Eye integrated into camera for use with dedicated Honeywell Strobonar flash units - system works well but if you are not going to use flash, or don't want to pay the collectors premium for this version of the SPII, it offers nothing over the SPII. SPF - same as SPII except no hot shoe synch choice, has open aperture metering, meter is turned on when lens cap is removed - not a popular design. Meter sensitivity EV3-EV18 - not as sensitive as the SPII on the low-light side, probably owing to the auto-on feature of the meter, controlled by a third cell. Some people claim that the SPF is not as well built as the SPII - I own both and somewhat agree. The SPII seems more robust than the SPF. Also there seems to be a higher incidence of meter failure with the SPF. If you want to use both Super-Takumar and Super-Multi-Coated Takumar lenses you will be able to do so with all three cameras - the SPII and SPIIa will provide stop-down metering for all lenses; the SPF will provide stop-down metering for the Super-Takumar lenses in the same fashion as the SPII and SPIIa, and open-aperture metering with Super-Multi-Coated Takumars that have the necessary couplings (there are several SMC's that do not). The choice is yours. For lower light work using the built-in meter, the SPII/SPIIa will have the edge because of the greater metering range. For normal daylight situations, the SPF will be a little bit quicker when using SMC lenses. If you don't have very many SMC lenses, you'd probably be better off with the SPII/SPIIa. The cameras are indeed very easy to use, but you will find much useful information in the owners manual about the subtleties of operation. ppro http://whitemetal.com/pentax/index.htm -Original Message- From: Kelvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spotmatic SP II , IIa and F I'm considering one of these spots for myself , and am leaning towards the "F" because it has open-aperture metering. However, my assortment of lenses includes those with levers (SMC-Tak), as well as those which don't (super Tak, pre-set lenses etc.) ... so , would the "F" still be able to meter without the lever of the later lenses? For general use hence, would I be better off with the II or IIa? What's the diff b/n these two as well? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pug Commentary
Well, it looks like I've got my work cut out for me this month. I generally don't care for these types of photos, and don't understand their purpose. Color, pictures of flowers and leaves, all leave me feeling rather ho-hum. However, this will be a good exercise, allowing me to see past my limitations and find something in the photo's that I'm to comment upon. First, "Fern Fractal" by Jostein Øksne Green is a very restful color, and the photo made me feel relaxed and calm - even after 12 cups of espresso. It's a good exposure, and I like the fact that you chose not to put the center of the fern in the center of the frame. Moving the center off center adds a little tension to the shot and makes it more interesting. However, I think a tighter crop may have given the photograph a little more punch - something like this: http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/fern.jpg "Color soup" by Luis Salado The more I look at this the more intrigued I become. Knowing what it is actually detracts from my enjoyment and appreciation of the photo. It is more mysterious not knowing ... I like it quite a bit. "Leaf Dance" by Dan Scott I've held off posting my comments because I kept going back to this photo, hoping that something would grab me. Nothing did. The photo appears very flat on my monitor, and i believe it could use a greater degree of contrast. There's no pattern to the leaves that I can see - they appear to just be randomly scattered about the ground, so there's no point of visual focus, nothing to grab one's attention. Some photos are strong enough that I'll either like them or dislike them, but not this one. It does nothing for me, yet the idea of leaves on the ground seems quite interesting. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April '01 Commentary
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: >Here's my comments for April. My personal approach to judging a shot are >(a) did you get what you wanted and >(b) does it communicate the desired thought or evoke the desired feeling. >Some of my comments are just to be a little silly, but I do respect each shot. >" Leaf Dance " by Dan Scott, USA > It's a pleasing composition though it doesn't seem to say much. Dude! You're so lucky you missed it. The leaves and the water were arguing aesthetics--leaves holding fast for Aesthetic Relativism and water arguing the Objectivist position. Naturally, the concrete remained unmoved. Very boring. >Nothing >is dancing. Yes, a very lame name. How about "Wet Leaves & Concrete" or "Arrested Motion" ? Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
April PUG comments: my assignment
Hi all, Here are my comments for the April Pug Gallery. Received the assignment on Saturday, but couldnt read it till today (computer trouble). Hope its not too late Three very different approaches to the Textures theme - film, material, human: Casale by Flavio Minelli: The reticulation effect is the subject here as much as the building; an original interpretation of the proposed theme, since the texture is in the film rather than in the subject. I think it suits well the scene and enhances the moody, lonely feeling. The composition is balanced but a bit static to my taste; perhaps Id crop just a bit from the bottom so the horizon is lower. Interesting to know about the backstage. Makes me think of the films 1900 and Lalbero degli zoccoli (The Tree of the Wooden Clogs). Textures by Doug Franklin: This photo shows textures, indeed. I like the left (horizontal, smooth, cold, natural) vs. right ( vertical, rough, warm, human) opposition. You have handled well the lines here. The light is a bit flat, but it reveals the wall texture anyway. Cant judge the DOF too well on my monitor, but it appears to be good and gives depth to the photo. Assembly in the Court by Gianfranco Irlanda: The radial pattern is the first thing I notice. At first it seems chaotic, but then you can see the order there. Visually it reminds me of a sunflower macro shot. The wide angle view is what this scene calls for. There seems to be some light fall off at the corners (due to the lens?). The scanning may not be up to the slides quality, but it looks good enough in my monitor. Did you take any photos including what they were looking at? Just my opinion ... Luis __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April '01 Commentary
> " Rain " by Take Ueda, Japan > You got texture. Just keep your camera out of that stuff! Thanks Collin, for your comments. My LX is supposed to keep that stuff away!! :-) Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Other PUG Comments - Mainly for Wheatfield about his shot
Of course you know that is in my favorite part of the world, Robb. Yes, it was defintely near Mexican hat. It is geologically an anticline whose name begins with "R" and if I were at home I could grab my Roadside Geology book and tell you precisely - The Rapley? anticline. I was shooting from almost that exact spot about fifteen years ago with a full moon rising over the anticline. Great navaho tacos in the little restaurant by the river in Mexican Hat, too. annsan the desert ratttess William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "aimcompute" > Subject: Other PUG Comments > > > " Navaho " by William Robb - Very nice Bill. Makes me want > to run out and > > get one of those P&S. I know I have been by there as well but > I think it > > was close to dusk and the contrast in the zig-zags was far > less. I like > > that this shot has four distinct layers, the grass, the red > rock, the zigs > > and zags, and the sky. > > Tom C > > Thanks Tom. I am sure it was close to Mexican Hat, but if you > say it was close to dusk, then I believe you. > Bill > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: April '01 Commentary
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: >Here's my comments for April [snip] >" Minaret " by Bill Peifer > Nice shot. Good capture of a thought. Thanks, Collin. I had another couple of shots incorporating this motif. One in particular, which I almost submitted, was a twilight view of the local horizon incorporating several "modern" suburban-looking vertical elements (light poles from a local park, a tall brick smokestack from a county heating plant in the distance, parts of the structures of some government services buildings, etc.) juxtaposed with this more "ancient" looking religious element. That horizon shot had what I thought was a pleasing palette of twilight colors, and it probably would have better conveyed the cultural "texture" I was trying to capture. However, the print looked too cluttered for my tastes. I sumitted this simpler and less cluttered composition instead. I may go back and try some different angles, points of view, etc., when I'm out for another evening walk sometime. Again, many thanks. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax shutter noise?
I'm not familiar with the Super A, but have not had this problem with the Pz-1p or Pz-70, which I've used for birding. Neither have cery loud shutters though. I have had a problem with my Tokina ATX 400mm f5.6 in autofocus mode. It tends rip through the focal range and then make a sharp "crack" when it hits the end stop. But that's unique to that camera. The quietest Pentax model I have experience with is the ME Super, which makes a subdued "snick" upon being fired. - MCC At 11:13 PM 4/2/01 +0300, Matti Etelapera wrote: I was photographing some birds the past weekend with my Super A and Tamron 80-200/2.8. Sitting three meters from my target, it took some 15 minutes for the birds to begin ignoring me so that I could begin taking pictures. One thing the birds didn´t get used to was the shutter sound of the Super A. This scared them away for a couple of minutes every time I took a picture. How would you rate the noise of this camera against the LX for example? Are there any really silent Pentaxes? - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
PUG Commentary
This is my first opportunity as a commentator, and I have been pleased to pay close attention to the PUG Gallery of photos for a change - I have usually just glanced at them and moved on to what seemed more pressing at the moment. So here goes: Paul Provencher's "Vanishing Vista" Paul has described his patterns and textures better than I can. This is an intriguing and marvelous photograph. One sees lines on the roof of the front building and lines on the side of the rear - similar patterns, differing shades, and very nicely juxtaposed with the crosshatch of the side of the front building and of the silo to the right. The colors are of dusk and almost of a duotone sepia - this works out just right for this image and a reddish or bluish sunset would IMHO have spoiled the restful reflection of the viewer. My only reservation is that the picture is too dark - I would have liked to see the textures of the side of the front building, the side of the silo, and the rooftop of the building in back, as well as the textures and patterns of leaves or branches behind, but perhaps Paul wanted it this way. Joseph Tainter's "Maiden Castle, Dorset" Joseph has approached the subject of this Castle with an unusual point of view, as he describes in his note, and I like it. The gently rolling contours of the land and the rampart (whatever a rampart is) form an interesting subject in themselves, and the tufts of dry brown grass against green grass adds to the patterned effect. But I will quarrel once again, as is my duty - the fenceposts in front detract from the image as does the overgrown grass in the foreground. It may, of course, have been impractical to photograph from a different vantage spot. I would also have liked to have seen more of the higher slope on the far right of the picture - does it lead to something? and how high is that slope? All in all, though, a good picture with a unique perspective. D. Glenn Arthur Jr's. "Ripples, Folds, and Rays" Glenn, your inner eye is indeed sensitive - you grasped an opportunity most photographers would have missed, despite your being unprepared for landscape photography and having B&W film in your camera. You're right, the divergent rays did not show up as well as they would have had you been able to be prepared, but they come through nevertheless. Though textures are few the patterns you have captured are worthy. My quarrel? - the grain of the sky, which we all have trouble with and which, never having scanned B&W film for all I know may be impossible to deal with. Some "dust and scratch" or "Gaussean blur" filtering perhaps? - to smooth out the grain and let the sunbeams in the clouds shine through. And perhaps a steeper curve up there, too. You have a good eye, as I said, and unfortunately your equipment wasn't set up to match the clouds but rather the performers in the tent. My complements to all three of you and to all of the others who posted in this April Gallery. Maris Lidaka - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Way OT: Burning Again
I am reminded of when I was younger and the evening news mentioning a three alarm fire in North Tonowanda (however that's spelled) at least once a month, until it became kind of a grim running joke with my friends (and actually, it still is, to this day). Anyone else from 'round here remember that? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Very OT: Rob's setiathome milestone, Yipeeee!!
> Wonder what's > a good shutter speed for computer monitors? Anything slower than 1/30. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Free camera for me.
petit miam wrote: > Maybe I can give it to one of my > brothers. I think my younger brother is using my old > Hanimex dual-lens (wide-angle and telephoto). The Hanimex is probably better. Don't punish your brother with the Reader's Digest camera! -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My switch to APS
> > And the government is > > blaming Australia. First Yahoo Serious, then Survivor II, now this... Australia, get yer act together!! ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
April '01 Commentary
Here's my comments for April. My personal approach to judging a shot are (a) did you get what you wanted and (b) does it communicate the desired thought or evoke the desired feeling. Some of my comments are just to be a little silly, but I do respect each shot. " Leaves " by Herbet C. Brasileiro, Canada This is a great shot. Good leaf positioning for contrast. Did you shoot it at f3.5 or f2.8? Shallower DOF may add something more. " Opening Rose " by David A. Mann Outstanding. " Bridge Deck " by Steve Knobbe, USA A sort of photographic double-entendre with the contrast of color and texture. " Fern Fractal " by Jostein Øksne If you don't have this on your wall at home I'd be disappointed. " Color soup " by Luis Salado What I like even more than the photo is that you've employed the tools you needed to get the job done -- the filter. " Leaf Dance " by Dan Scott, USA It's a pleasing composition though it doesn't seem to say much. Nothing is dancing. Perhaps a longer exposure to allow some motion would have done it for me. " Early Warning System " by David Chernicoff I haven't figured out what to think of this one yet. Maybe it's my personal aversion to cats? (just kidding) Maybe "EAR-ly Warning System"? " Crow walking " by John Cohen, USA This is my favorite this month. The contrast is distinct and keeps the segments of the image discernable. " Flowing Rock " by Gary L. Murphy, U.S.A. I think you succeeded. It's a good shot with the lighting results you wanted. " Neopolitan in Grey " by Bill D. Casselberry I like the content, but might again like the original better than the web shot. " Reflections " by Timo Hartikainen, Finland I like this. Almost makes be dizzy. " Harborside " by Thomas Cakalic, USA Must have been an import beer because you could still hand-hold the camera. " Cloud 1 " by Gene Kane, USA It looks like a refelction in water. Sometimes photos just don't compare to reality. " Abstraction " by Bucky Looks like something from the 50s & 60s. Nice shot. Marketable. " Natural firewood " by Jan van Wijk, Netherlands An excellent job of capturing texture. " New Generation " by Alin Flaider Good work. Another craftsman. " Classical Goya " by Matt McCarter Being one who plays classical guitar as well I really like this shot. I really like garage sales as well. Good purchase. B&W film might bring out even more of the texture of the wood. " Bridge in Motion " by Serge Kozak, Australia Good choice of filter. Well done. " Inside A Train " by Erin Dayton, USA Good job. You got the detail in a place where most of us may never go. " Columns and Reflections " by William Johnson A great contrast of construction eras as well. Good composition. " Dome of the Great Court " by Mark Roberts, USA You definitely succeeded it capturing both pattern and texture. Nice shot. " Strawberry " by Kevin Thornsberry, USA You not only captured pattern and texture, but you make me want a strawberry malt! Great shot. " RenCen " by Bill Sawyer, USA Good grab of verticals and horizontals. " Additional benefits! " by Niall Woods I'll bet the slide is even better than the scan. " Leaf Lace " by Robert Poe Good work. " War Feathers " by Dan Matyola,(USA) Good shot. " Long Way From Home " by Ed Dombek, USA Great shot. Well done. " The Pattern of Life " by Jon Hope Nice shot & color contrast as well. " Heir Bourn " by David Brooks Ontario, Canada Is it difficult to get the horses to hold still like that? Good timing. " Minaret " by Bill Peifer Nice shot. Good capture of a thought. " Navaho " by William Robb Great scenic. " Sydney's Magic Mushroom " by Paul Harvey, Australia The clouds make it. Great shot. " Burned Forest " by Yves Caudano Another shot where the image doesn't compare to the reality. There's more texture there than film can capture. " Painting Beauty " by Jens Bladt, Denmark A great cultural shot. " Heavy " by Darek Zukowski, Poland Good cropping. " Waitress, London, 1980 "by Cotty I'm still pondering this one. But you got what you wanted. Good job. " Droplets 2 " by Arnold Stark, Germany Great capture of texture. " Plastilin Courtyard " by Alexey Tikhonov An eerie sort of shot. Fascinating. " Ice Planet Spalding " by Ollen Mullis, USA Good shot. " Barracks Boards " by Steve Lewis, Wales Often the description makes the photo more important, esp when preserving history. Good job. " Old log " by Conrad Samuels You definitely got texture. Good job. " Tortoise " by John Mustarde, USA Good shot. How big is that beast? " Autumn
Re: Spotmatic SP II , IIa and F
The Spotmatic F will work fine with your Super Tak lenses. You'll meter just as you would with a Spotmatic: by pushing the meter switch up with the lens on the auto setting and stopped down to where you want to shoot. The IIa is the same as a II with the exception of a built-in sensor for use with a Honeywell Strobonar. I'd like to find one of these cameras, since I have a potato masher Strobonar sitting on the shelf. They're very powerful flashes but require the expensive and heavy Everready 497 battery. (I think it's 515 volts. I know I got knocked to the ground by touching it in the wrong place once.) Paul Kelvin wrote: > > I'm considering one of these spots for myself , and am leaning towards the > "F" > because it has open-aperture metering. > > However, my assortment of lenses includes those with levers (SMC-Tak), > as well as those which don't (super Tak, pre-set lenses etc.) ... so , would > the > "F" still be able to meter without the lever of the later lenses? > > For general use hence, would I be better off with the II or IIa? What's the > diff b/n these two as well? > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: April PUG comments - my assignment.
Thankyou for your kind comments Cesar :) , when I tried to get more detail in the trees behind I found that I was severely overexposing the foreground which was killing the detail of the wall, overall though it turned out to be one of my favourites for that day. :) Cheers, Bill Gekas - Original Message - From: Matamoros, Cesar A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Pentax' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: April PUG comments - my assignment. > > 2. "Maroondah Reservoir" - by Bill Gekas > > Good shot! It is often that I have to wait around to get the people > out of my shots. It seems that people dally around more as they see me with > the camera trying to get my shot - at least it seems like it. > > I like the way the path is lighter than the surroundings and leads > the viewer's eyes into the picture. Some would complain about the loss of > tree detail but I like it. The wall is the issue here and you have > highlighted it just fine. I like the included sky. I tried cropping it out > and definitely did not like the ensuing images. I cannot think of anything > I would do differently on this. > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX Finders? FA-1 FA-1W
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:03:05 -0500, William Kane wrote: > Ok, I know what boz's page on the FA-1 FA-1W finders for the LX say >(I went there), but I'm having a bit of trouble TRANSLATING that into >something I can understand. Can anyone hazard to attempt to explain the >difference to me? > I think it is quite simple, they made the FA-1W to support a larger range of diopter correction, from -3 to +1 instead of -1.5 to 0 at the cost of some magnification. (I have the FA-1W but don't use the correction, so an FA-1 would have been better, or an FA-2 because I hardly use the sync terminal either) > Oh, and while you're at it, if you have a favorite eyepiece, what is >it and why? For a lot of work the FB-1 + FC-1 action finder, despite the low magnification and huge size, I really love the high eyepoint (I wear glasses) and the ability to turn it 90 degrees. Great forlow ground shots with the 15mm! I would love to have an FD-1 for macro work, but have not found one for a reasoneble price. I do have the refconverter-A, that attaches to the FA-1W and has a 2x magnification option, but I think the optical quality with the FD-1 would be much better ... Regards, JvW - Jan van Wijk; www.fsys.demon.nl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My switch to APS
petit miam writes: > I am deeply hurt. But I wouldn't have bought it > anyway. The exchange rate is too crappy. We have > apparently just slipped below 0.40 USD for the first > time in I don't know how long. And the government is > blaming Australia. It dipped below 0.40 during Oct/Nov last year as well, then peaked at 0.45 in January. Now it's 0.397 :( A good time to sell stuff on Ebay, I guess. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fw: ALERT: Major Solar Flare Alert - Class X17.1 Solar Flare Observed
Tom C. writes: > Don't give up on Aurora photos. This was just delivered to me. [...] I read about an X-class flare this morning which was pointed away from Earth. Is this a different one? How much time do we have between a flare being detected and the auroras starting? I hope there's plenty of auroral action over Easter; I might go back to Lake Tekapo (which is nice enough during the day). Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: I really dont like Hoya HMC filters....... Now
Don't you have "Budget" dishwashing liquid there? Comes in a white bottle with blue writing and smells of mint not lemon. Haven't tried using it as a toothpaste yet, but I bet it gives you lovely fresh breath and squeaky clean teeth :) > Dawn dishwashing detergent is my favorite for > filters I take of sunrises; > Joy for newborn baby pictures; > Lux for lowlight; > Ivory for weddings; > Mean Green for machinery... etc __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FW: Comments April, Herbert Brasileiro, David Mann, Steve Knobbe (fwd)
Chris Brogden relays from Adelheid: > "Opening Rose" from David Mann > > One picture I would love to make. The drops of water make it interesting, > let it look fresh, the main part is in focus, the center draws the attention > etc. - Only the copyright mark is a pain to look at. I don't want to start a > war about this, I understand the necessity but IMHO it spoils it. Thanks for the comments. I understand about the copyright; it annoys me as well. I tried to put it somewhere that was intrusive enough to make Photoshop removal difficult, without it being too distracting. If I remember to put the copyright in next month's image I'll try and think of a better way to do it. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Pug comments...
Skip, Thanks for the praise. I was concerned that the small size just wouldn't show the texture very well, but it sounds like you can see it fine. Those who see the 8 X 12 print have a similar reaction to yours. It was certainly a unique scene that I came upon and was pleased that I was able to do it justice. I chose the ZX-M for this hike because of it's manual control and light weight for packing. A very pleasing camera to use. Again, thanks for noticing. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: "dosk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: More Pug comments... > Exceptionally good PUG stuff this month, IMO! > > Favorites: > > snip< > > "Caramel" (by Bruce Dayton) My personal favorite this month. Fantastic > color and texture! Nothing else (IMO) lives up to this month's selected > theme quite as well... Feels like all those slippery orange globules are > going to slide right off of my PC screen and into my lap! A rare photo, > deserving of National Geographic... (And I love that it was done with "my" > camera, a ZX-M!) > > Skip - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: (April PUG Comments) X 3
Aagh. Once will do thanks. For that I'm voting you off on this week's Survivor :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX vs P1-zp vs Spotmatic
Ah, April Fool's day, huh? Are you offering to pull apart your MZ-M for me? > Hello > For helping your manual focusing, may be you can > buy a MZ-M viewfinder > piece > and put it in your MZ-30 ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Goodbye Pentax
Yeah, anyone remember this? I suppose this was the real Pål too :) From: Pål_Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One of my inside contacts just gave me a lot of prototypes that I have never seen before! So now I have a 20/1.4, 35/1.4 and a working 24-70/2.8. Pentax experimented with this AL ED IF lens but shelved it in favour of the less-expensive 24-90, but it's a beauty Except the plastic window fell off and it's all dirty inside and I think it doesn't focus at infinity. Oh well. I gave my friend a couple of Vivitar Series 1 50/1.2's in trade, since I have no use for the 6 I picked up at a garage sale for 50 cents. Has anyone else heard about the new 16-32mm f2.6-3.3 Limited Zoom? Sure looks like a beauty. Pål > > Hey, at least when I did it I used my real address > so people knew it was a > > joke. > > > > chris "the real one" __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Way OT: Burning Again
I lay down, tucked into my bed, with a friend on the phone.
I'd planned to sleep after a little more conversation.
Sirens, sirens, not unusual, but sirens, more sirens, and I
realize something big may be happening. They sound as
though they may be South of me, so I extricate my limbs from
the bedcovers and climb the creaky stairs to look out the
third floor window at the back of the house. I see an eerie
green glow in some sort of mist, but that doesn't seem to be
the big thing. ("Copper," my phone friend warns, "Don't
breathe that." "It's a few blocks away," I reply, "and I
don't know whether it's really green or merely green-lit.")
Then I notice, a little further West of that, where the
nearby buildings are taller and obscure my view, a plume of
smoke. It rises, hits some sort of temperature inversion or
something (there are flat clouds in a sheet higher still),
and extends dense, plump, and blunt-tipped to the East
across the sky, not too much higher than my own vantage
point. It is, more than anything, a giant and
disproportionately long tongue, being stuck out of the mouth
of West Baltimore, raching out to try to lick the nipple
of the B&O Railroad Museum. A short time later, West
Baltimore's smoke tongue is trying to French-kiss the Inner
Harbour or tickle the ear of downtown.
I see no flames higher than the rooftops, but the tongue is
impressive. After a quick peek out a front window, just in
time to see a news van blur past at twice the speed limit, I
look out the back again and the tongue has become an arrow,
or a ramp, or a slash across the sky, brightly lit from
beneath at the Eastern, downtown end, more subtle and sneaky
against the night sky in the poor section of town where it
originates. Distances are deceptive, but the fire is
definitely in my part of town. It looks like it's between
one and four blocks West of me, and I don't have as clear an
idea of how far South. Perhaps five or six blocks, perhaps
a dozen or more.
I turn on the television in case there is a news report on,
and find Warren Zevon instead, a fascinating juxtaposition.
I recognize his voice and lyrical style before I recognize
his face; I do not know the song.
The sirens have stopped for the moment, though there must be
a score or so of fire trucks at the scene by now based on
the sirens I heard earlier.
I wonder what's burning this time.
===
I finished writing that at five minutes to two AM (Eastern
daylight-savings time) and posted it elsewhere. At this
point (just after three AM), the long tongue of smoke has
either dissipated or drifted out over the Chesapeake Bay,
the eerie green mist has vanished, and there doesn't seem
to be any more smoke being generated. I did attempt to
photograph that interesting-looking smoke formation, but
it was kind of low-contrast against the night sky, so I
don't know how well it'll show on film. I did toy with
the idea of throwing on some clothes and tossing a camera
in the car to go photograph the firefighters in action,
but it's probably just as well that I didn't -- it looks
like all the visually interesting action would have been
winding down by the time I could have done so. If any of
the smoke photos come out, I'll put 'em where y'all can
see 'em.
Still being really busy with the same project I was working
on a few weeks ago, only now it's more difficult because
I'm physically worn out. (For the record, fibromyalgia
sucks. It sucks worse when one fails to pace oneself at
a sustainable level and triggers a flare.)
While I still don't know exactly where the fire was, it
was far enough away to not present any real danger to me,
for which I'm glad. Here's hoping it was another warehouse
or something, and not homes.
-- Glenn
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Re: April Fool's Day!
I'm glad someone else from the Southern Hemisphere was fooled too. BTW I think Shel is male. I only worked this out because there was a PUG month on self-portraits and he was in it. I thought Shel was a female name too. I know my name can be both and it can get a bit ambiguous, but I am definitely female. I was really worried for a bit. I had already posted at least three off-topic posts by the time I read that message. Jody. > OMG, you guys had me going! I was seriously > thinking, what the heck is > going on here?!? I mean think of it from my point > of view, April Fool's Day > was YESTERDAY in Australia, so here's me thinking > that Shel was turning to > APS, and that she didn't "like" me cause I didn't > receive one of her emails, > William was switching to Nikon(!), Doug was gonna > kick me off the list (and > how on earth would I be able to limit my posts to 2 > per week?!?) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
