Mystery lens - Sigma 28mm, F2.8 macro, manual focus, PK mount
Would appreciate any information at all about this lens. Can't find a thing on the Internet. Best regards - Martin. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX exposure compensation
When you are at the limits of the ISO range, it cuts off the exposure compensation, so if you are at the slowest speed (ISO 6 I think) you can't dial it 2x or 4x for an equivelent ISO 3 or ISO 1.5. Todd At 10:58 PM 4/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hey guys, > > The LX seems to have a slight problem. When I push in the exposure >lock button and try to dial in 1/2 or 1/4 compensation I have no >problems, but the dial won't move past 1x to go towards 2x or 4x. Is >there some trick to this that's not in the manual? I'd hate to send the >camera off to be repaired so soon (although it SHOULD be under 12 month >warranty . . .) > >Thanks, >Illinois Bill >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX exposure compensation
What ISO is it set to? If it is at iso 6, it will not give + exposure compensation. William Robb - Original Message - From: "William Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 11, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: LX exposure compensation > Hey guys, > >The LX seems to have a slight problem. When I push in the exposure > lock button and try to dial in 1/2 or 1/4 compensation I have no > problems, but the dial won't move past 1x to go towards 2x or 4x. Is > there some trick to this that's not in the manual? I'd hate to send the > camera off to be repaired so soon (although it SHOULD be under 12 month > warranty . . .) > > Thanks, > Illinois Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
[FW: Pentax K Mount Lenses PRICE REDUCTION]
Spotted in rec.photo.marketplace http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&as_ugroup=rec.photo.marketplace Todd Subject: FS: Pentax K Mount Lenses PRICE REDUCTION Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:10:34 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Moy) Organization: Rayovac Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace For Sale: All lenses in excellent condition with front and rear caps, buyer to pay shipping costs. Pentax SMC 24mm f3.5 $175 Pentax SMC 35mm f2.0 $115 Pentax SMC 400mm f5.6 Manual Diaphram $325 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX exposure compensation
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, William Kane wrote: >The LX seems to have a slight problem. When I push in the exposure > lock button and try to dial in 1/2 or 1/4 compensation I have no > problems, but the dial won't move past 1x to go towards 2x or 4x. Is > there some trick to this that's not in the manual? I'd hate to send the > camera off to be repaired so soon (although it SHOULD be under 12 month > warranty . . .) I don't have my LX with me so I can't test this, but it sounds like it's at the limit of its metering capability. What ISO do you have it set to? I think the button is only for setting your ISO (not exp. comp.) so that might be the problem. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX exposure compensation
Hey guys, The LX seems to have a slight problem. When I push in the exposure lock button and try to dial in 1/2 or 1/4 compensation I have no problems, but the dial won't move past 1x to go towards 2x or 4x. Is there some trick to this that's not in the manual? I'd hate to send the camera off to be repaired so soon (although it SHOULD be under 12 month warranty . . .) Thanks, Illinois Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
Hi John - Original Message - > I bid on many items early in the auction, just to track the final > price, mostly out of curiosity. I do the the same, all the while hoping for a miracle. > Heck, I cheerfully bid a thousand bucks on the A* 400/2.8. Think there > was any chance I would win at that price? About as much as getting a A*300 for under $600. I've last 3 auctions on that lens. Just can't be there for the last bid. Oh well, there's another one that's over by the W/E. Take care. Don > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New to the list
Hi All, I have just subscribe to the list and discovered the images at PUG!! Very nice!! I do mostly macrophotography and dabbled in some UV reflectance images. They can be seen at http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/windows/htmls/index9.htm showing macro shots of palm flowers not fruits as captioned. When I got my LX about 3-4 years ago, I sold off a lot of other equipment to purchase it and did not regret it at all. Since then I acquired the PZ1 SE, the 43mmf1.9, 77mm f1.8 ...I don't know when this acquisition is going to end!! I have heard that MZ3 and the two lenses above now comes in black. Have not seen it yet!! The silver chrome ones complements my PZ1 very well. These lenses are beautiful and sharp!! Regards to all Eddie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My turn for a picture-of-the-day
Great shot John. I just have to get 'enabled'. What a lensdrool...pant...pant Don - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: My turn for a picture-of-the-day > > I happened to be in the right place to grab this one > last Sunday at the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach > > http://reality.sgi.com/jfrancis/motorsport/wildride.jpg > > I've cropped away about 25% of the right edge and top, so this is > only from about 50% of the image. I'd have preferred to get the > nose of the car in the frame, but there's not a lot of time to > adjust things here (the cars are still travelling at over 100mph). > > PZ-1p, A* 300/2.8, Provia 100F - exposure around 1/1500 at f4. > > -- > John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. > (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 > (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 > Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote: > You also wrote in another post: > >A bit off topic, but thought you might be interested to know that; a) it is > so hot here that I am wearing a sarong with the air con blaring at me > > Now, you > just > stop > right there... I thought that sarong comment would bring you out of the woodwork, Lasse. *L* :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OK, MZ-S MLU Y/N?
I didn't think this question had been confirmed as yet, but since I believe everything I read I'll report that the cover story for the May 2001 Peterson's Photographic is on the MZ-S. On the MLU issue, it says "On the rear-canted top plate, at the far right are two switches. The top one lets you directly set the drive modes. Move it to the self timer icon, and exposure will be made approximately 12 second after you fully depress the shutter button. . . . (You can change the self-timer delay to 2 second with mirror lock-up via Pentax Function 14.)" The article starts on one corner of the camera and explains in detail every switch, button, wheel, socket and display as the author circumnavigates the camera. If the article is right, you won't need a manual. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fairy pics
Tom C wrote: "You know it's rather interesting... I detect that our group has become somewhat protective and mother-hennish about one of our new members." This is kind of ironic, as anybody who knows me in day to day life always looks at me as the "mothering" one and also one who is extremely "protective" of those I consider to be my friends. I am surprised that you have been able to detect my "accent" though (this is amusing to me, as it is you guys that I consider to have the "accent"), I guess maybe my spelling of "arse" gave it away. (Not exactly a "lady-like" word to use though...) "I don't know if it's because she has a delightful writing style replete with foreign accent, if it's because she's shown a few photos of herself (OK, how many times did each of you guys go back to her page about the roll of Fuji running through the camera in about 15 seconds..." Ok, so enough, "feathering fairy's ego". In a bid to get this back on topic and before I am aprehended by the band-width police, I will post some more shots of myself in a sec, but they do HAVE a Pentax-related purpose, as you will soon see. (And they are also really crappy photos to boot...) "I hope her husband is not too jealous though. He sounds like a pretty nice guy." BTW, my hubby is a reeeally nice guy, that is why I married him! He comes home today for 4 days over Easter,so I will disappear for the next few days, just in case you all wondered where I went, I at least owe him a few days of my attentions...Oh, yeah, and he's an extremely jealous guy, but an incredibly selfless one at that, and would never dream of coming between me and my new found "passion" (photography). As such, he is happy for me to communicate with whomever, whenever I need to in a bid to learn what I need to...(especially if it might make us some money in the long-run, hehe. He DOESN'T like me working for "peanuts"...hmmm, sounds kind of like you guys really...) fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm Lens Comparison
Hi Rob ... Thanks for posting the pictures. Saved me the trouble, and your photos are so much better than mine. Rob Studdert wrote: > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs518.jpg > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs516.jpg > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs519.jpg -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hi from a Newbie!!
Hi Rebecca, welcome to the list. Paul and Artur already gave you some good advice. Please keep us posted on your progress and don't hesitate to keep on asking as you go along. It is always useful to get as much specifics (as exactly what scene, what distance, what colours or lights, what lens, what speed of film, automatic or manual exposure etc) about problematic shots, since there may be many factors involved. About the flash, make sure you always use fresh batteries. A lot of flash shots may quickly drain them, resulting in the flash not getting reloaded enough.. I used to do some karate a long time ago. I tend to get the (many) various eastern marshal arts mixed up nowadays - what kind of clothing do you use at the Taekwondo? If it is all white, and you shoot close up shots, it may influence the metering so that you might want to compensate for it, by increasing the light a stop or two. Do you know anything about that? If not, get back to us and someone will tell you more. (Also, when you learn more, and if you get a flash that can do it, you might want to impress someone by shooting close up flash shots with second shutter sync at longer exposure times which will make movements look a little more...flashier(?) ) Good luck, Lasse - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Hi from a Newbie!! > Hello All, > > I have been reading the archives for about a month now and decided that it > was time to join the list. I am very new to photography. Actually the reason > I got started was because I was trying to take action shots at our Taekwondo > tournys with an older point and shoot camera, but the pics were not turning > out the way I wanted them to. And the focusing took so long that I would end > up missing the shot. So, while in Wal-Mart one day I noticed a pentax camera > on clearance. I snapped it up, remembering that my older sister and brother > both at one time had pentax cameras and loved them. (my sister still has > hers) > The one I bought is a ZX50, with the 35mm f4-80mm f5.6 lens that came with > it. I have also purchased a 2X tele converter, a Hanimex 135mm f2.8, a sakar > macro 1:3.8X 75mm-200mm f4.5 and a Achiever 260AF flash, which I cant seem to > get to work when using the manual focus, any and all help is appreciated. > Some of the pics seem to turn out good and some of them not so good. I still > have not gotten the hang of shooting things indoors. Like this last roll I > just got developed, 3 of the shots turned out pretty good, but about 12 of > them looked like I needed more light, even though I was using the same flash > for all of them (the one on the camera, not the 260AF) > > I just wanted to say HI to everyone and find out if anyone has any ideas for > indoor sport photography, PLEASE... send them my way. > > Rebecca Lane - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm Lens Comparison
William Johnson wrote: > I was hoping someone else would ask this question, so > I wouldn't have to display my ignorance, but this is > driving me nuts! How do you focus the Leica lens? I > don't see a focusing ring anywhere. Also, is it > difficult to handle, being so small? Just curious. Hi ... many Leica lenses, including this one, have a focusing lever on them, and focusing can easily be accomplished just by moving a finger. From closest focus to infinity takes only about 120-degrees of rotation on this and at least several other Leica lenses. It's very easy to handle, and in some ways is similar to using the 43mm Ltd in manual mode. One day, if everything goes my way, I'd love to grab a 43mm Ltd in one of the rare Leica mounts. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm Lens Comparison
On 11 Apr 2001, at 19:14, William Johnson wrote: > I was hoping someone else would ask this question, so > I wouldn't have to display my ignorance, but this is > driving me nuts! How do you focus the Leica lens? I > don't see a focusing ring anywhere. Also, is it > difficult to handle, being so small? Just curious. Hi Bill, I once owned that lens too, the focus ring is the one between the fixed mount (with the red dot) and the aperture ring at the front. :-) The whole focus ring rotates, there are no serrations since there is a little tab that protrudes from the bottom of the ring. When you are holding the camera lens combo the correct way the tab falls into a comfortable position for one finger to pop into, it all becomes quite intuitive. See: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs518.jpg http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs516.jpg http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/fs519.jpg Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: St. Louis Camera Shops
Schillers on Manchester has the best selection of used, but never much in Pentax. They do have a 400T flash though. You can also try Jefferson camera, closer to downtown; and Creve Couer Camera out in west county. Good luck. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
Had I seen the $150.00 BIN, I'd have bought it, even though I already have one. It's hard for me to pass up a good deal. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. Steve Larson wrote: > > I did. Almost flexed that BIN muscle on it, but while I was contemplating > the BIN expired. Any bets on it goes higher than the BIN @ $150 it had? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
Tanya wrote: > 8. You guys are a great bunch of people who will give me a good swift kick > up the bum when I need it... Hey, I want to be counted as one of that bunch too... So...a late welcome to the list Tanya, from Stockholm, Sweden, where everybody's waiting for spring to really burst out. (Yes, sorry to hear about what happened to your PZ, but, as others already have said, it was better than hearing you reporting "Yeah, I saved my camera! Pity though about the kid bumping down hill...") You also wrote: >but I feel truly guilty that I am taking up > so much bandwidth with this Don't worry, very much of the advice that you are getting will be of interest to many other members as well. That's one of the great assets of lists like this. Although I agree with what have been said to you about not selling yourself too cheap I think I really can relate to what you're saying about the aspects of living/working in a small town. There simply are some inherent obstacles in being a local without an established reputation. In Swedish there is also a saying, something like "You'll never become a prophet in your home town" (if it's of Biblical origin you may have a version of it.) Just to add a little: Even if you do choose to do some work for a cheap price, you can always explain to your clients that your usual or future rates will be higher. Make sure you only show them the good stuff, never downgrade your own work, no matter how insecure you may feel about it at times. And never give away your negatives. All your copyrights are in there, for one thing. (Well they actually are with you anyway, but without access to the negs they may be a whole lot more difficult to control.) You also wrote in another post: >A bit off topic, but thought you might be interested to know that; a) it is so hot here that I am wearing a sarong with the air con blaring at me Now, you just stop right there... :-) Lasse, once believed to have joined the Pentax list in order to pick up girls... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fairy pics
Oops, almost forgot, David also said: "Who would have lent you an LX body until you were back on your metaphorical feet, if you lived a tad closer." Remember what I said earlier about the internet "closing geographical boundaries"? *wink* No, seriously though, I have had many offers since the PZ-1P for assistance to becoming "re-enabled", ranging from clearcut donations, to extremely cheap offers of sales, to outright "you can borrow this for as long as you like"... So thankyou to everyone who did this (or even thought of doing it), you are all very generous and I must say, TRUSTING people - particularly the PDML'er who did send me his ME Super in good faith that I would pay him "when I can afford it"... fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Fairy pics
David Chernicoff wrote: "The mild ones are the stories about customers who come in to complain that the color photocopy enlargements they did themselves of the 5x7 they bought (not wanting to spring for 8x10) doesn't look good." I really don't think I want to hear about the not-so-mild to hot stories It is stories like these that remind me what a sad, sad world it is that we occupy... It also brings up the point of copyright that I wanted to ask about. I am guessing that in light of my "transition" into the world of child portraiture, I should at least "invest" in some sort of mechanism for marking my shots with copyright information. Can you guys offer suggestions as to the best way to do this? ie. a sticker/stamp on the back etc? And how should this information be phrased? What information should be included? I'd better look into some sort of "business name" too, perhaps I'll call it "Fairygirl's Frames". hehe... fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hi from a Newbie!!
Hi Rebecca, Welcome to the group. Indoor sport photography is something I haven't learned anything about yet, but I am sure there are people with expertise in that area on the list. Because of the variables, ighting with flash can be very complex at times. Do you remember what speed film you were using? Were the subjects in the well lit shots about the same distance from the flash and camera as in the poorly lit shots? Same lens for the good and bad shots? Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Hello All, > >I have been reading the archives for about a month now and decided that it >was time to join the list. I am very new to photography. Actually the reason >I got started was because I was trying to take action shots at our Taekwondo >tournys with an older point and shoot camera, but the pics were not turning >out the way I wanted them to. And the focusing took so long that I would end >up missing the shot. So, while in Wal-Mart one day I noticed a pentax camera >on clearance. I snapped it up, remembering that my older sister and brother >both at one time had pentax cameras and loved them. (my sister still has >hers) >The one I bought is a ZX50, with the 35mm f4-80mm f5.6 lens that came with >it. I have also purchased a 2X tele converter, a Hanimex 135mm f2.8, a sakar >macro 1:3.8X 75mm-200mm f4.5 and a Achiever 260AF flash, which I cant seem >to >get to work when using the manual focus, any and all help is appreciated. >Some of the pics seem to turn out good and some of them not so good. I still >have not gotten the hang of shooting things indoors. Like this last roll I >just got developed, 3 of the shots turned out pretty good, but about 12 of >them looked like I needed more light, even though I was using the same flash >for all of them (the one on the camera, not the 260AF) > >I just wanted to say HI to everyone and find out if anyone has any ideas for >indoor sport photography, PLEASE... send them my way. > >Rebecca Lane - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Subject: RE: Fairy pics
Tanya, that's sweet of you to say, but I forgot to mention the part where I cordially invited them to pound sand. Don't believe a word Bill says; we're all filthy rotten pigs up here in the frozen wastelands. "HAR" Mike Vancovuer, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tanya & Russell Mayer Sent: April 11, 2001 6:20 PM To: Pentax Discussion List Subject: Subject: RE: Fairy pics O M G, now THAT is an insult to ANY photographer. To date, I have been considering (because they have all been paying for their own film/processing) my keeping the negs as my form of "payment" as I think that they are my most necessary learning tool. I can't say that I would have been as polite as you in this situation, Bucky...you are to be commended for having such self control! fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 35mm Lens Comparison
Shel wrote; >I just thought you might get a little lift out of >this. Both lenses >are 35mm/f2.0. The one on the left is the Leica 35mm >Summicron and >the other is the SMC Pentax. >http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/35mmcomp.jpg -- Hi, I was hoping someone else would ask this question, so I wouldn't have to display my ignorance, but this is driving me nuts! How do you focus the Leica lens? I don't see a focusing ring anywhere. Also, is it difficult to handle, being so small? Just curious. Thanks, William in Utah. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
While there are people here that may complain that this thread is OT. The fact that there are so many replies indicates that we find it interesting. Besides old farts like me just love to give advice, especially to someone who may listen. --Tom Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: > > Doug Brewer wrote: > > "Actually, Rob Brigham deserves thanks for providing a link to Derek's site" > > Oops, sorry, Roband thanks... > > Ok, so Doug also wrote heaps more in a very lengthy, detailed response. > But, here's the thing, I am kind of feeling a little guilty that my "quest > for enlightenment" has seemingly dominated most of the postings over the > past few days. Of course, I appreciate and have read and considered all of > your responses at great length, but I feel truly guilty that I am taking up > so much bandwidth with this and also that I can barely keep up with > responding to you all individually. I have three more PDML digests that I > have yet to even look at and just don't know how I can possibly respond to > you all in the manner that you deserve for spending so much time and energy > with me on this topic. > > So, in summary, here is what I have learnt so far: > > 1. I am being both inconsiderate and unjust to other local photographers by > charging too low a price. > > 2. I am effectively "cutting my own throat" as far as any future earnings > are concerned by charging too low a price. > > 3. I am (apparently?!?) capable of producing a product that is both > marketable and worthy of paying good money for. > > 4. I am a whore!?! ;-) > > 5. I may have to compromise my artistic integrity at some point if I wish > to "please" all of my clients. (This is something I am very uncomfortable > with and would probably choose to turn down a client's business before > having to do this). > > 6. I have a knack for still life and baby photos. > > 7. I am a "sharp cookie" (I always thought that the phrase was "smart > cookie", but, we are a bit "backwards" down here in Aus.) > > 8. You guys are a great bunch of people who will give me a good swift kick > up the bum when I need it... > > Thanks again for all your advice everyone, and also in advance to those who > have offered suggestions in the three digests that I am about to read > ;-) > > fairy. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Significant Chance of Auroral Activity Next Two Nights
Another newbie here. :^) Thanks for the heads up concerning the aurora. I spotted it towards the end of twilight. It had been hazy-clear with high cirrus all day here in downeast Maine, so I originally thought I was looking at more clouds! I soon realised that clouds don't move like that, and dashed back in for my equipment. I must confess that my usual astro camera is a Miranda Auto Sensorex EE, and I shot off the best part of a roll of Fuji Superia 400 with it before switching to my MX with my Vivitar 17-28 zoom (same film). At this point I ran into a problem. I acquired the MX on ebay in January and I have had that zoom for about a year and a half. Both pieces of equipment had been fine up to this point, but I had never used them together. In a nut shell, when I depressed the shutter release nothing would happen. After some tinkering about in the dark I discovered that if I pressed the depth of field preview lever the mirror would lock up; then, if I pressed the shutter release the shutter would fire. As I was missing a lot of good shots by fiddling around I finally switched to another lens, and the MX worked fine. Any thoughts? The aurora started to fade away after about an hour. At one point, though, it extended down into Corvus...which if you know your constellations you will know is pretty far south! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What they don't test (WAS: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images)
Pål wrote: I've noticed the 43mm asthonishing quality while studying my slides. It took me completely by surprise. It wasn't informed about this until I told it to japanese friend who could tell that this was all over the place in japan. It was the design goal behind the lens and Pentax describe it as "capturing air". Thats right, the picture comes alive; it has room - depth - soul. Hell, the Limited lenses have more soul than Otis Redding! - - - - - - - - 'Boy, then they gotta be the Jimi Hendrix of lenses!! And I will just have to get them, once I get out of my financial mess... Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Tom V wrote: "This guy is obviously an ass." True, I agree that he is, but he is also a rich one who is making lots of $$$ from this town by being just that BTW, I have FINALLY gotten through reading/replying to all of the digestsI am yet to respond to those who communicated to me off-list, however, I think it is time to give me kids a bit of attention. You "kids" can have me back in a couple of hours when the other two go down for their naps Thanks again to EVERYBODY who gave advice, a response or told of a personal experience with respect to my questions. Be ware, I will be asking some stuff about copyright a bit later on... :-) fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
I did. Almost flexed that BIN muscle on it, but while I was contemplating the BIN expired. Any bets on it goes higher than the BIN @ $150 it had? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay! > Did you notice that the seller described the lens as a SMC > Pentax-A? It's not, of course ... > > Daphne wrote: > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229385165 > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > There are no rules for good photographs, > there are only good photographs. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: RE: Fairy pics
Bucky wrote: "I resolved to give them enlargements as a wedding gift, and made an album of 4x6 proofs for them to look over, not telling them that any they chose would be presents (partly as a test, to be honest, since they had made no mention of paying me for my materials). I just suggested that they look my copies over and let me know which ones they wanted me to print for them. They said, "Well why not save yourself the trouble and just give us the negatives?" I picked my jaw up off the ground and suggested that I wanted to keep the negs in controlled conditions (a sleeve in a binder in my drawer)." O M G, now THAT is an insult to ANY photographer. To date, I have been considering (because they have all been paying for their own film/processing) my keeping the negs as my form of "payment" as I think that they are my most necessary learning tool. I can't say that I would have been as polite as you in this situation, Bucky...you are to be commended for having such self control! fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: RE: Fairy pics
- Original Message - From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" Subject: Subject: RE: Fairy pics I can't say that I would have > been as polite as you in this situation, Bucky...you are to be commended for > having such self control! > > fairy. Like me, Bucky is a true Canadian. Never rude. Always polite. HAR William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: C41 b+w and hand-coloring
- Original Message - From: "Treena Harp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 11, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: C41 b+w and hand-coloring > Question, guys: I'd like to try something new. I want to do some > hand-coloring of black and white photos. While I have my darkroom here at > the house for regular black and white and understand the process for > hand-coloring that, I was wondering about the use of C41 black and white > (the Kodak B+W) printed on color paper. Do any of you know if the surface of > color paper is suitable for hand-coloring, and if so what kind (pencil, > oils, Spotpen, etc.)? I would think Kodak N surface would have a better tooth. Other than that, the colour paper is a basic RC paper, and should react similarly to any B&W RC. There is something to consider, though. Colour prints fade over time, and rarely do they fade evenly. Consequently, your hand coloured print on colour paper may start o look a bit odd after a while, because of this colour shift. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Tanya - One business issue to remember -If you think a too high price is keeping customers away, you can always have a sale. If you've built a base on cheap prices, you'll lose a lot of them when you try to raise the price to what you're worth. A good friend of mine and his brother have a photo studio in a moderately affluent area near me. You'd be amazed (though I doubt anyone else on the list would, given the responses you've gotten) at the horror stories he tells me about customers and prints and prices. The mild ones are the stories about customers who come in to complain that the color photocopy enlargements they did themselves of the 5x7 they bought (not wanting to spring for 8x10) doesn't look good. David< Who would have lent you an LX body until you were back on your metaphorical feet, if you lived a tad closer. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Big Eating Grin - Original Message - From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:57 PM Subject: Subject: Re: Fairy pics > Doug Franklin wrote: > > "Called a "mom", if I have the vernacular correct. :-)...No, the rest of us > can't mask out the noise they make like you can." > > Too true! My two are standing at my door (child-proof gate that they can't > get passed) screaming at me as we speakh, silence IS golden > > BTW, what does "" mean? > > fairy. > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Treena Harp wrote: "Sadly, this attitude applies no matter what skill you possess. I'm a skilled and experienced seamstress, but I utterly refuse to sew for other people. I tried to out of the goodness of my heart for friends, but when I did, suddenly I was treated as a servant -- they wanted EVERYTHING for free, were hypercritical of everything I did and were totally ungrateful no matter how good the finished product was. This goes for my other hobbies, too, photography included. I believe most people truly don't appreciate things that don't cost them anything. I say no because I'd rather have them experience a couple of moments of annoyance with me, than do it and possibly lose a friendship over it." I have done the exact same thing (as far as designing an making clothes for friends go), Treena, and when you put it in this context, it truly makes me realise the point that everybody has been making about this whole thing. In fact, at the moment I am fixing a zipper in my friends "favourite pants" and my machine broke down. She is phoning me everyday saying stuff like "are you every going to finish them?" and "how long can it take just to change a zip". Of course, she has never once offered to help pay for the repairs to my machine which would of course, have them fixed much faster I guess it is the same for photography, people DO always seem to appreciate something that they have had to pay for more than something they've been given (not so with me though)... The wedding stories that you guys posted are also testament to this... fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re[2]: suggested student cameras?
Alin Flaider wrote: "Put a K/M lens on MZ-M and you get center weighted meter. Switch to manual mode and the bar graph it appears in the viewfinder is more accurate and more suggestive than any match needle. And please don't tell me a student has to cock the shutter in order to get a grasp on photography basics..." I agree totally with Alin here. I learnt everything that I know to date from starting with an MZ-50. You don't need to have a camera that is all manual, just so long as you use it AS a manual camera. ie. no AF and only use it "metered manual mode". This is what I have done, while at the same time, also being able to use its more automatic functions to your advantage eg. AF when shooting kids. Personally, I do feel though, that I purchased and tried to master my PZ-1p too early on. It was totally mind boggling to a beginner, and I think that my recent loss may have in fact been a blessing in disguise to a certain point as it has now forced to learn, in depth, just what my other cameras are capable of doing. On another side of the coin though, the ME Super that I now have will prove beneficial particularly for long exposures (due to its lower battery usage), cost (again due to lower battery usage & wy cheaper batteries) and also the fact that there is less electronically that can go wrong with it (cheaper and fewer repairs - hopefully). And besides, I think that it is kind of fun to "cock the shutter"... BTW, I was watching Arena last night. On "Destination Style" (a show that features a different fashion shoot and photographer each week), I was most pleasantly surprised (and shocked) to see that the pro photographer who was featured, and who, I might add was a very talented woman, was using an ME Super and what appeared to me to be a SMC-A 50mm lens! Her resulting shots were fabulous to say the least, and it was really cool to see her manually "cocking" (there has GOT to be a better word for this "action" btw) the shutter between shots, especially when she was shooting incredibly fast! That is a talent in itself... fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
re: suggested student cameras?
You don't specify an SLR - so what about a rangefinder such as the Voigtlander Bessa R. Especially if acquiring something secondhand requires a leap of faith. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: > > However, (now please don't attack me for being naive or over-sensitive > here), as most of you know, I have alot of stuff posted on Photo.net. NONE > of my stuff has ever received a critique rating of above 4 or 5 on that > site, I have this guy here in town (yep, the one hour guy again,) who > constantly looks at my stuff and picks it to pieces without ever having > anything nice to say, This guy is obviously an ass. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Reasonable price for A* 1.8 135mm
Sears 135mm F2.8 "Macro": Macro setting engaged (1:5): 3ft Macro setting not engaged: 4.75ft I took these by measuring from the object to the film plane. If you a measuring from the front element, subtract 1/2ft. Todd At 06:56 PM 4/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Close focusing distances for various K-mount 135s: > >Vivitar 135/2.8 CF: 1.7 feet (CF = Close Focus) >Pentax 135/2.8F,FA: 2.3 feet >Vivitar 135/2.3: 3 feet >Pentax 135/2.8A: 3.9 feet >Pentax 135/1.8A*:4 feet >Pentax 135/2.5K: 5 feet >Pentax 135/3.5M: 5 feet >Tamron 135/2.5 PK[a}:??? (Tanya? Anyone?) >Vivitar 135/2.5 PK: 5 feet >Zenit 135/1.8 MC > Fodis-1K 5.2 feet > > >Paul Franklin Stregevsky >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fairy pics
Ken Archer wrote: "Do you really want to be known as the woman here in town that takes great pictures, gives great service and she is CHEAP?" Ken, I am not sure why it was your comment in particular that hit home with me, but I just had something else come to mind; on many occasions, I have had people say to me (about many things, not just photography) "geez, that is s expensive, but it's worth the money". I guess this is the point that you guys are all trying to make to me here, and that this is the way I should be thinking. I just need to gain the confidence and the trust in myself to believe that what I am doing IS "worth the money". Hopefully, in time this will come. However, (now please don't attack me for being naive or over-sensitive here), as most of you know, I have alot of stuff posted on Photo.net. NONE of my stuff has ever received a critique rating of above 4 or 5 on that site, I have this guy here in town (yep, the one hour guy again,) who constantly looks at my stuff and picks it to pieces without ever having anything nice to say, and I also have a good friend in Toronto who is s talented and yet living on the bones of his arse cause he can't get any work. I am entering some competitions later this month (locally/regionally) and I am hoping that should I find any success with these, it will be a little reassurance that I do have "what it takes". I know, I know, I shouldn't rely on these sort of things for determining my "market value" (hehe, sorry, that was a really bad joke from Temptation Island if any of you watched it), but I just need to be sure that I can stand out from others in my own right. Parents are easy to please, as long as their kids look good, they don't care about the technical stuff, but I just want to be sure that I am doing at least some of the technical stuff correctly too. I haven't had anyone teach me anything or "mentor" me face to face, I have learnt everything I know from books and the internet over the passed 9 months or so, and I guess this is where I get my insecurities from. Sorry, rambling, yet again fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fairy pics
Doug F wrote: "The two have radically different audiences, success criteria, and control principles. If they ever meet, it's dumb luck at worst and serendipity at best. The odds are that they never meet. The best scenario I can imagine is where they meet only at the cash register. That way, you're "art" stays pure and your bank account stays full. :-)" Exactly Doug. It is a merger that I am really putting a lot of effort into making work. If it ever comes to a point where I have to sacrifice my creative control or my artistic input to please a "client" or to make some money, lets just say that this whole thing will once again become a hobby. I really love what I am doing and I know too many pro photographers who have warned me against becoming "pro" because the love of what you are doing fast becomes overshadowed by the need to please the customer and by how much they are paying you. I can say right now that this won't be happening to me, no-way, no-how Integrity is much more important to me than $$$. Basically, I only want to earn enough so that my poor hubby doesn't have to work an entire week just to buy me a certain lens or flash that I feel I "need"... fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fairy pics
Whoa! Boy have I opened a can of worms with this oneI guess what I have achieved with this thread has been the most valuable thing that I needed to learn. I think that what I really needed prior to embarking on this venture was a bit of a confidence boost or a reassurance that what I am doing is worth paying for. My one hour lab "friend" picks my stuff to pieces when I show it to him, saying that I have used too little depth of field, or that the kids ear is in focus more than his nose, or that a flower isn't placed quite correctly (which pisses me off cause I know I have better composition skills than him, if nothing else). I guess when it comes down to it, as many of you have pointed out, if there are a couple of slight technical errors in the shots, it doesn't really matter providing that the parents of the kids are happy with what they've been given. So far, I have shot four separate families (none of whom I charged anything except film and processing) as well as my own kids a zillion times, and on each of these occasions, the parents have been overjoyed with the results. I guess that this reaction is what I should be basing my "rates" on, rather than what I personally feel that I am "worth" or what some one hour photo guy (albeit with many more years of experience than I) says... To start with William (Bill) Robb, who said: "Tanya, I am going to tell you exactly what I think, in my typical understated, respectful and polite manner. If you are easily offended, or your kids are reading, hit delete now. Otherwise, there is a reply interspersed below" hehe, my kids are only 3 and 16 months, the three year old knows the letters "W" (for Woolworths) and "M" (for Mummy) and "K" (for Keegan, his brother), so unless you communicate with only these three letters, I feel that you are pretty safe...Oh, and I am NOT easily offended, far from it, in fact "Bullshit. I went and had a look at the stuff you put up on that website. You have a marvelous eye, and obvious rapport with your subjects. I have been working commercially for nearly 30 years, and I still get my shit in a knot before a lot of jobs. This doesn't mean I am going to sell myself cheap. If I am going to be a whore, by gumm, I am going to be an expensive one. Shoot yer three rolls of film, that is your insurance. Don't be a cheap whore, you won't get respected for it, and when you want to graduate to being a high class whore, no one will be willing to pay you for it. I have seen it happen before in my under populated part of the world. Since you ae giving more, charge more. People will only value your work as much as you do." Of course I understand your point here, and I love your terminology (you'd be right at home in Australia! lol!). I too am concernced that it would be difficult to increase my prices later on (especially with return "customers"), but again I don't want to appear to be "full of myself" by charging top dollar. OMG, I can't even begin to imagine what people (such as my 1 hour photo lab chum) would say "she's charging what? but she only picked up a camera for the first time 9 months ago!". Also, you must remember that this is a VERY small town, with SMALL minded people, with very small pockets. If I were in Sydney, I wouldn't bat an eyelid, and would charge the most that I possibly could, but seeing as I do have to live here "Yup, fer sure. More horse poopie. I do my best portraits with a wooden camera and a 20 year old lens. Latest technology doesn't matter for crap with portaiture." I don't really mean "latest" technology, I just feel that I could provide a more reliable and professional service if I at least owned a decent lightmeter, a variety of lighting choices (at present I have two choices - with reflector or without reflector, oh, and RTF on my MZ-50 and PZ-20) I also really miss the DOF preview that was on my PZ-1P and which none of my current bodies have. "If you are offering something unique that they aren't offering, it doesn't matter how many of them there are. The portrait trade is about personalities, the pictures themselves are a secondary item. If the personalities work, the pictures work." I do agree with this statement completely. It will be the entire "basis" of my business. I am a people person, I am a people photographer, I have an in built ability to read body language and to understand what it is that people want and expect. I know that I have a knack for dealing with kids in particular (I had this prior to my ever becoming a mum), and it is this knack and my "gift" for communication and being "approachable" that I hope to bring me to a level above those around me who I consider to be my "competition". For me, the consideration of personalities IS secondary, it is something that I don't need to think about because it comes very natural to me. My way of thinking is to suit my pictures TO the personality and this is the trait that hope people will come to know me for. "Does
Additional comments to Tanya.
By the way, Tanya, I use ME Supers for my 35mm photography. How dare you say that I ain't a professional because of that . For several years I used one camera (medium format) with one lens. Equipment is an amateur buggy-boo, to a pro a camera is just a tool. It helps to have the right tool to do the job, but a carpenter does not think he needs to replace his hammer because someone brought our a new one. Most real pros only replace their equipment when it wears out, so are often using what most amateurs consider obsolete junk. Amateurs think cameras make pictures, don't fall into that trap. You make pictures, your camera is the tool you use to do that. --Tom - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re[2]: Fairy pics
It's sound practice, but these are cousins, and I just didn't think they'd pull a trick like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Walkden Sent: April 11, 2001 3:33 PM To: Bucky Subject: Re[2]: Fairy pics Hi, in future why not stamp the word 'Proof' in red on the front of the proofs, and your name & contact details on the back? --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 10:15:58 PM, you wrote: [...] > They took the proofs, saying they'd get back to me soon, and I haven't heard > from them since. That was August of 2000. > Live and learn. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms
Pål , We had heavy snow this AM. It looks like it's clearing though. I might get lucky. Tom > > Unfortunately its snowing here so its no chance for me to see it :-( > > Soon the aurora season is over for my part. Daylight 24 hours a day. > > Pål > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > > The only time you are charging too much is when you can not get > customers at that price. Of course, if that's the cheapest price in town, you don't want those customers anyway. > Another thing to think of is that in my experience people who > look only for price are > never satisfied. There is no way you can make them happy. Exactly. Good post. You listening Tanya? tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
85/2M in Great Britain
$B?(B120, Condition B (listings updated 2001 April 11) http://www.camera-direct.com/used.asp?bhjs=1&bhsw=1600&bhsh=1200&bhswi=665&bhshi=929&bhflver=4&bhdir=1&bhje=1 Camera Direct 8 Dorset Street Kemp Town Brighton BN2 1WA Tel: 01273 681129 Fax: 01273 681135 or via e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
I wrote: - Note that they rate the A* 300/2.8 much higher than the FA* 85/1.4 (so would I). Ooops! It turns out to be the FA* 300/2.8. Anyway, it show that the FA* 85/1.4 isn't rated nearly as high as CDI does. Also the quality relations between the FA* 300/4.5 and the FA* 85/1.4 is totally reverse of CDI's rating. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Hi, Tanya, Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: > The mother of the little fairy in the shots I posted earlier > said to me that the thing that really > "got" her about the shots I took was that they have so much "heart", and > that I went to great lengths to consider the > child's and the parents beliefs, personality etc and to cater specifically > to those things rather than just > saying "smile" and then "that's a wrap!". Well, Tanya, this is what you are selling. Not what you don't have, or can't do, but a service that is valuable to your customers. If a guy with years of experience and lots or equipment produces mediocre pictures and your produce pictures that have the verve your customers are looking for which is the more valuable product? You are not selling your experience. You are not selling your equipment. You are not selling your studio. What you are selling is your ability to make a picture that satisfies your customer, from your quote of one of your customers that is more than satisfactory. You should be paid for what you provide. Now there is an economic reality factor involved. No one is likely to pay you much more than they can get the same product for. The competitor you mention is booked up weeks in advance. What is it worth to your customers to not have to wait those weeks? He produces mediocre work. What is it worth to your customers to get more sensitive and insightful photos? The only time you are charging too much is when you can not get customers at that price. Another thing to think of is that in my experience people who look only for price are never satisfied. There is no way you can make them happy. Whereas people who expect to pay a fair price have realistic expectations. The expect to get what they pay for, and nothing else. Years back I tried to get jobs based on my making about $10 and hour, the jobs I got were nothing but a pain. I raised my expectations to $100/hr by bidding on a job I didn't really want. I got the job. The client was happy. They recommended me to other clients. Their most reveling comment about my bid was, "That's reasonable. Not cheap, but reasonable." If I had bid my usual cheap price I would not have gotten the job, they would have figured I was only worth what I was asking. That is, not much. --Tom - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
Daphne wrote: "looks good why do these always show up *after* I buy an expensiv-er lens" Daphne, that would be because of a stupid little irk called "Murphy's Law", and it sucks, don't it!?! ;-) fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5
I have one (over 12 years old) that continues to see very heavy comercial usage. It has held up like a tank. It has an industrial/amoured feel to it. I have no objective optical data for it but I regularily get enlargements from it that I have no problem with. I've never noticed any obvious distortion with it. I've never seen any flare with it and I shoot it mostly without a hood. Mine also says .8m, but I can focus to about 15", this with the zoom ring in the macro (green) end of the zoom range, just to the left of 80mm. The .8m must apply to the non "macro" close focus. The lens exterior is mostly made up of metal, with the zoom ring & aperature set ring being of a rubberized plastic. The filter attachment end appears to be metal. I would recommend this lens and wouldn't hesitate to buy another if the need arose. Hope this helps. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Artur Ledóchowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5 > Hi, > I desperately need Your advise. I have a chance to buy an used (but in good condition) > SMC F 28-80 f3,5 - 4,5, 58 mm filter diameter. Can you tell me anything about this lens > from the practical point of view? It would be meant to be a backup standard zoom, since > I have SMC F 35-80 f4-5,6 on my MZ-7. How about it's sharpness, distortion, flare > problem, bokeh? It has a nice grade on Photodo - 3,3. Pretty well, ha? > There's also one question. On Bojidar's site this lens is claimed to have minimum > focusing distance of 0,4 m. I had a grip on this lens this morning and saw 0,8 at the > end of the indicator. So how's that? Did I see it wrong? > And also I found it to be pretty heavy, much more than my 35-80 (and they both are of > the similar size). So what is it made of? Less plastic, more metal? > I think that buying this lens would be a pretty good bargain, but I'd like to be sure > of that. The guy in the shop promised me to keep it until tomorrow, so I need to make > up my mind quickly. > What is Your view on this lens? What is it worth? > Thanx in advance > Artur > -- > = > "Our time has come, get ready to fight. > Sisters and brothers, in metal unite. > The dreams that you had are about to come true. > The voice of the Warrior is calling for you!" > Hammerfall "The Way of the Warrior" > > > --- > Bezpieczne zakupy w sieci! < http://www.ws.pl/Reklama/m.html?s=3 > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Cyril wrote: > The 'one at the magazine' had nothing against Americans or any other people. > He's just been told that somewhere on a list (PDML to be clear) people were > asking questions about the relyability of the tests he performs every day. > No one likes its said somewhere that his/her work is shit, and he did not > like it. But in light of the recent posting by Alin of another french lens test pasted here: Wide open f/8 Uniformity(%) Light fall-off (EV) FA* 85/1.4 ** *** 790.6 FA* 300/2.8 *** 930.5 FA* 300/4.5 *** *** 940.4 together with other tests that are in totall disagreement with CDI claims, isn't it reasonable to question the tests (not only CDI) validity and reliabilty? Is it reasonable to be pissed off when people question obvious discrepancies? CDI cannot seriously mean that we should believe them and discard the rest including user reports without any further explanation. I agree with those who claim that this could be turned into an interesting discussion about undeniable discrepancies if CDI had wanted to enlighten us. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms
Tom wrote: > This is exciting. I haven't seen this much activity when going to site > before. Unfortunately its snowing here so its no chance for me to see it :-( Soon the aurora season is over for my part. Daylight 24 hours a day. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Fairy pics
Hi, in future why not stamp the word 'Proof' in red on the front of the proofs, and your name & contact details on the back? --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 10:15:58 PM, you wrote: [...] > They took the proofs, saying they'd get back to me soon, and I haven't heard > from them since. That was August of 2000. > Live and learn. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms
Cool George. I hope you're out there jamming down that shutter release! Tom C. - Original Message - From: "george de fockert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms > Even some red aurora visable here in holland at this very moment (rare). > > George > > - Original Message - > From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:28 PM > Subject: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms > > > > For those Aurora Watchers out there, > > > > The NOAA Space Weather Site is listing geomagnetic storms in the last 24 > hrs > > and currently, as SEVERE. If the impact holds up, according to "polar > > observer satellite plots" observable activity could extend deep into the > > mid-latitudes tonight. > > > > This is exciting. I haven't seen this much activity when going to site > > before. > > > > http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Maligned?
Anthony wrote: > If you call the A* 135/1.8, A* 300/2.8 and A* 85/1.4 average then I guess > that you could presume the A 35/2.8 to be mediocre. I do not, and you must > agree, think that the Pentax "Star" lenses are average. They belong in the > highest order of optical quality. > > Did you understand my disagreement with you? I actually did agree with you > that the "Star" lenses had been damned with faint praise, and never did > contend that the A35/2.8 is their equal. Being less than excellent does not > instantly denote mediocrity, there is a vast gulf between the two levels. > Are you possibly confusing "mediocre" (moderate to inferior in quality, > ordinary) with "median" (a method of defining averages) because of the two > words' superficial resemblance? If you feel offended that I used the word medoicre instead of average then please don't cause it isn't personal. Again I used the words medoicre in comparison to the A* lenses because CDI had rated them similarly. It wasn't because I believe they are comparable quantities but because CDI apparently did. By saying medoicre I did indeed stressed the distance between the A 35/2.8 and the A* lenses. Sure I've could have used the word average instead to stress the same issue but this is meaningless nit-picking. Medoicre is a realtive term that is in the eye of the beholder. Average is a more absolute term and frankly I have no idea about how an average lens actually performs. Among the lenses I own the A 35/2.8 is below average. It is indeed an OK lens, slightly inferior to the A 24/2.8. Again, medoicre was used to distinguish the 35/2.8 from the A* lenses it was grouped together with. To me it seems like you make an issue of differences in opinion that isn't there. >And then to compare the humble A35/2.8 to yet another "Star" lens > (FA* 28-70/2.8) is a gross mismatch because "Star" lenses are a class above > those lacking the star. Or was it an opportunity to drop the name of yet > another Stellar lens that you possess? Nope. It was an opportunity to distingus its performance relative to the prime A* lenses and showing how the A 35/2.8 compare to a good zoom lens. I do not posess the FA* 28-70/2.8 but I can recommend its optical quality. > (See: Subject: Macro flash bracket > "Anyone with tips on a lightweight flash bracket for use on my FA* 200/4 > macro? > > Pål", > as if someone as knowledgable and resourceful as yourself, who apparently > has all the answers, needs our opinion. A Dolly Dixer if ever I heard or > read one!) I for one always ask other users of equipment I've no experience with. This include macro bracketts (its a good idea to tell people how you intend to use the equipment) and lenses. I recently asked for experience regarding the FA* 400/5.6. I'm aware of test where this lens don't perform well but as you probably know I don't much faith in lens tests, so I aske the knowledgeable Pentax users. I got answers both private and posted on the forum. This from people whose judgement I trust. Hence, I think I'm goig to buy the FA* 400/5.6. > > Whatever your opinion of lens tests is, one thing is true about them. A > lens CANNOT deliver better results than it should because of human error, > because resolution can only be lost by poor handling, not increased. If you > truly believe that (in Yoshi's figures that I posted) the A35/2.8 delivered > its absolute best while EVERY OTHER lens suffered from some kind of testing > error, then there is nothing more to say except, > > "There is none so blind as he who will not see". I have no ax to grind regarding this lens. I haven't tested it nor do I intend to. My opinion on this lens is based on 17 years of use and the slide it produces on the light table. I'm not saying my opinion on any lens is absolute truths. Just my honest opinion. I also appreciate others opinion and I have nothing against diverging opinion. They can be discussed. However, the difference between average and mediocre, although real enough, is nit-picking and is baically in the eye of the beholder. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Alin wrote: > I too have this impression. > Just to show Paal there still are French he can agree with: in his > lens test file, FNAC (a large photo-video french commercial chain) > laboratory gave the following ratings to Pentax lenses (4 stars being > the highest): > Wide open f/8 Uniformity(%) Light fall-off (EV) > FA* 85/1.4 ** *** 790.6 > FA* 300/2.8 *** 930.5 > FA* 300/4.5 *** *** 940.4 Yes, this results is far more in accordance with my experience and really just show my point. Also, this show why I did not believe in the CDI test; they rate the FA* 85/1.4 * and the A* 300/2.8 ***; totally at odds with the test above and my (and others) experience. Hence, its because CDI's odd result I object, not because they are french. It also proves again that lens test varies widely; even the french ones :-) ;now which one do you pick? Note that they rate the A* 300/2.8 much higher than the FA* 85/1.4 (so would I). Also not that they also rate the FA* 300/4.5 significantly higher than the FA* 85/1.4. Clover said that the FA* 300/4.5 was not worthy; I assume this might have been based on less than favorable CDI test of that lens (correct me if I'm wrong). My point is that sometimes test coincide with personal experience sometimes they don't. I don't trust CDI because they seem to be most often at odds with user experiences and other tests. This has nothing to do with the fact that they are french. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms
Even some red aurora visable here in holland at this very moment (rare). George - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Severe GeoMagnetic Storms > For those Aurora Watchers out there, > > The NOAA Space Weather Site is listing geomagnetic storms in the last 24 hrs > and currently, as SEVERE. If the impact holds up, according to "polar > observer satellite plots" observable activity could extend deep into the > mid-latitudes tonight. > > This is exciting. I haven't seen this much activity when going to site > before. > > http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html > > Tom C. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: suggested student cameras?
I agree, I have both a ZX-M & K 1000, the added features make the ZX-M better for a beginner. Pretty hard to learn to use DOF if the camera does not have it. Dan Sheetz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of martin tammer Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: suggested student cameras? For the money, I think a ZX-M is hard to beat, especially because of the depth-of-field function. --- Geordie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know a person who will be taking a summer course in photography at her > local community college. So she will be needing a camera that allows her > to > use all the functions manually. > > What might we suggest to this student? Now, the camera can be of any make, > but we must keep in mind that the camera needs to be affordable, roughly > $500 or less with a couple lenses, it needs to be well built/sturdy, > compatible with a variety of third party lenses, and of course it needs to > be a quality product for the price. Nothing extravagant. We're talking > about > a student with a loan. > > Now, I was thinking this person should get an older K mount pentax, of > course, because they are so readily available here. I was thinking > something > like an ME Super, because I can walk into any shop and buy about ten of > them...which other models are well suited for a beginner? > > And to stray from pentax..which other brands and models might be good as > well? > > > Geordie Clarke > Victoria, British Columbia > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Peter Smith wrote: > I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not once > was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My > view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a > reasonable gesture. Today my fairyizing client called to find out what I drink, because two of the big prints we worked on together were selected to hang at the PPO (that's Professional Photographers of Ontario, a division of PPoC, Professional Photographers of Canada) convention over the weekend, and both scored over 80 in judging. This is after I billed her hundreds of dollars before the prints just for the work. Good clients are worth the effort, bad clients really are not. The hard part is determining which they are. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Severe GeoMagnetic Storms
For those Aurora Watchers out there, The NOAA Space Weather Site is listing geomagnetic storms in the last 24 hrs and currently, as SEVERE. If the impact holds up, according to "polar observer satellite plots" observable activity could extend deep into the mid-latitudes tonight. This is exciting. I haven't seen this much activity when going to site before. http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fairy pics
I did a similar thing for my wife's cousin's marriage. They asked me to
travel about the ceremony and take what the photogs missed. The "real"
photogs were a couple of very beautiful women with N
N-something-or-others and Metz flashes who professed to shoot in a
"photojournalistic" style. It turns out what they actually produced were
lots of small group shots where the bottom 55% of the frame was taken up
with the people's torsos (hips to heads) and the top 45% was airspace, lots
of shots with random tilts of the frame, and lots of indoor shots with heavy
front strobe and distant backdrops, so that the tuxes faded into the general
blackness of the undrexposed background. They were NOT pleased. They
expressed delight with my work ("we should have hired YOU!"), partly because
I treated the opportunity as one to proctice taking interesting,
unconventinal shots that were often directed at areas of the ceremony where
the main action was not.
I resolved to give them enlargements as a wedding gift, and made an album of
4x6 proofs for them to look over, not telling them that any they chose would
be presents (partly as a test, to be honest, since they had made no mention
of paying me for my materials). I just suggested that they look my copies
over and let me know which ones they wanted me to print for them. They
said, "Well why not save yourself the trouble and just give us the
negatives?" I picked my jaw up off the ground and suggested that I wanted
to keep the negs in controlled conditions (a sleeve in a binder in my
drawer).
They took the proofs, saying they'd get back to me soon, and I haven't heard
from them since. That was August of 2000.
Live and learn.
Mike
Vancouver, Canada
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute
Sent: April 11, 2001 12:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Yep 100%. I shot a wedding for friends and spent upwards of $400 on film
and processing. They also had a pro wedding photographer. The pro shot the
wedding party and entrance to the church. I shot the actual ceremony and
the reception (and piggybacked on the pro earlier).
I was extremely happy with the results and was pretty sure they were at
least as good as the pro's proofs, given what I had seen from a former
wedding using the same photog. The bride & groom loved them.
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Scanner question
Hi I purchased ( online ) Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II from www.camerazone.com. www.camerazone.com has charged me 408USD for scanner and 30USD for multiple film/slide holder. But the manufacturer's manual says multiple film/slide holder is not an accessory. Sales guy had told me that multiple film/slide holder is accessory. Now, When I called www.camerazone.com, they told that Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II comes in two version. One version with single film/slide holder and other version with multiple film/slide holder. Is it the case? They told that they have shipped me the second version instead of "First version" + accessory.. Bye Ramesh - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
Also noted that that 'Texdance" member has a bid on it. I've seen his and sbarra(Sid)'s name on frequent items I've been interested in Don - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay! > Did you notice that the seller described the lens as a SMC > Pentax-A? It's not, of course ... > > Daphne wrote: > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229385165 > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > There are no rules for good photographs, > there are only good photographs. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Curing Lens Envy (a URL) - Maybe OT
Hi Paul Some news readers are not capable of displaying graphics. If someone posts a message that has a graphic or html in it, the reader will detach it from the text and list it as an attachment. It works this way at my work where we use Lotus Notes. I went to the subject URL without incident. Kevin is a regular contributor to the list. Hope this helps. Don - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Curing Lens Envy (a URL) - Maybe OT Question: As sent to me this date: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Thornsberry) File: Unknown (2496 bytes) DL Time (5 bps): < 1 minute Why does someone send a message, with a download attached, that has a heading as "Unknown"? Hasn't this list been attacked by enough viruses? Needless to say, I didn't download this particular file for reasonable fear. My loss or not? Can anyone confirm the contents of this file? Paul Gutkowski, Milwaukee
Re: St. Louis Camera Shops
I would visit: Creve Coeur Camera & Video 11615 Olive Blvd, St Louis, MO 63141-7001 Phone: (314)567-3456 ww.cccamera.com This is the camera store i use mostly for film developing, books, etc... I like the crestwood location, but they don't have anything used. Schiller's Camera & Video 9240 Manchester Rd, St Louis, MO ZipCode Phone: (314)968-3650 Schiller's.com this is my favorite camera store. If you go in ask for Greg. He will treat you right. I followed him there from Creve Cour Camera. City Photo of St Louis 1136 Washington Ave, St Louis, MO 63101-1158 Phone: (314)645- i've been here it used to be a quaint little shop that was fun to go to, but they moved. I bought my ME here for 25 bucks... The guy just called me back they deal mostly in high end 35mm. (translated nikon and cannon) and medium format. I have yet to visit these shops so I cannot say anything about them except what they have told me themselves on the phone. Jefferson Camera Shop 2009 S Jefferson Ave, St Louis, MO ZipCode Phone: (314)773-8539 they say they have "everything" but they don't have anything over 400mm. This store has a pretty good reputation around town. O J Photo Supply Inc 8338 Olive Blvd, St Louis, MO ZipCode Phone: (314)991-5550 he has a little, nothing rare. Steve's Clayton Camera 44 N Central Ave, St Louis, MO ZipCode Phone: (314)727-7731 he says he doesn't have much in k-mount.. couldn't get much else out of him. - Original Message - From: John Edwin Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: OT: St. Louis Camera Shops > > Hi, folks. I'll be in St. Louis (MO, USA) for a few > days next week. I wonder if any of you can recommend > camera shops worth visiting. I'm especially > interested in used equipment. > > Best, John > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Great photojournalism in 'Granta'
Hi, I've been a subscriber for several years to the UK literary magazine "Granta" (http://granta.nybooks.com/latest_issue.html), which appears every month or so. Over the last few years photojournalism has featured increasingly, usually with at least one good photo essay. The current edition, #73 'Necessary Journeys' is exceptional, containing a very powerful photo essay & article by Manuel Bauer, who acompnaied a 13-year-old Tibetan girl as her father led her out of Lhasa and into Dharamsala via Nepal as a refugee. He also followed her story for several years afterwards. Bauer was recently showcased by Reportage: http://www.reportage.org/PrintEdition2/Tibet/PagesTibet/01tibetintro.html In addition to that there is also a very interesting, much gentler, and well-photographed essay by Dayanita Singh about the Women's Ashram in Benares/Varanasi, India. This is becoming a really 1st class outlet for good photojournalism. I urge everybody who enjoys reportage, documentary and photojournalism to get hold of this copy and have a look. --- Cheers, Bob (no connection with Granta except as a subscriber) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Cyril MARION wrote: > (and as a French, I have been hurt by some of the words that have been > written here) > I haven't liked some of the things I've read in the list lately, but if I were you, Cyril, wouldn't take them too seriously. There are some people here in the list who enjoy bashing other nationalities whenever they see the smallest chance. Such behaviour reveals much more about themselves than about the nations they want to criticize. Luckily, one of them, perhaps the noisiest, has unsubscribed recently, as he would have jumped into this anti-French wagon for sure. Regards -- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #579
In a message dated 11/04/01 17:41:32 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: James Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What is the ideal lens for landscapes? Should I try to get hold of a 17mm and 20mm? >> Absolutely - we have a very nice 20mm here for £350. I should rush out and buy it, if I were you. On a slightly different tack, if we were to get hold of some Pentax hoods, which ones should we order? KR Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Cyril, Thanks, but really, I was just joking. It doesn't matter to me what a magazine writer of any nationality thinks of Pentax or Americans or American Pentaxistes, because you know what? I've never paid the slightest bit of attention to lens tests. They mean nothing to me. What I care about is whether a lens helps me get what I want on film. If it does, great. If it doesn't, I don't use it. I am, however, saddened that some have taken this as an opportunity to bash the French. There's no excuse for it, and there are far more important things to worry about, such as being in a second-class community of camera users. Doug "that last part was a joke, too" Brewer Quoting Cyril MARION <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello the world, > > Doug, you have probably missed some parts of the translation : > > > A Scandinavian complained that a French magazine rated > > some Pentax lenses too high and others too low, so in > > response a French reader of said French magazine wrote > > to someone at the magazine. In response, someone at the > > magazine said that Americans, whose opinions don't count > > anyway, should read another magazine. > > The 'one at the magazine' had nothing against Americans or any other > people. > He's just been told that somewhere on a list (PDML to be clear) people were > asking questions about the relyability of the tests he performs every day. > No one likes its said somewhere that his/her work is shit, and he did not > like it. As the information came from a PENTAX lover, he put all niche > camera make users, such as, say : > - PENTAX > - CONTAX > - LEICA > from various countries such as : > - America (US) > - JAVA (?) > - France > in the same bag, and says "if you only want to read elogious stuff about > your beloved make, dont read CdI." He suggests those people read their club > bulletin instead. > > I'm not sure my translation of this proverb is correct : > 'Il n'y a de pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre' > 'there is no deeper deaf than the one who does'nt want to ear' > but it resumes well what I feel from this discussion. > > (and as a French, I have been hurt by some of the words that have been > written here) > > We are not a lot of PENTAX fans through the world, so it semms useless to > argue one against each others. > > Peace, and keep enjoying photography. > > Cyril Ashwood Lake Photography http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Yep 100%. I shot a wedding for friends and spent upwards of $400 on film and processing. They also had a pro wedding photographer. The pro shot the wedding party and entrance to the church. I shot the actual ceremony and the reception (and piggybacked on the pro earlier). I was extremely happy with the results and was pretty sure they were at least as good as the pro's proofs, given what I had seen from a former wedding using the same photog. The bride & groom loved them. The parents somehow acted a little ho-hum, even though they were the ones that asked me to do this. I provided my services because we were friends of the family. To this day I don't really know if they 1) expected better, 2) just weren't the type that get excited over photos, or 3) were simply tired after the exhausting days leading up to the wedding. I suspect 2 &3, plus the fact they wouldn't have realized how much I had invested emotionally. To be fair, they did offer to pay me in advance for materials & for the processing. I turned it down because I figured it was my gift. In retrospect, they might have been more excited had they the feeling of purchasing something, versus being given something. The same goes for computer skills. Of course because I'm a software developer, friends think I should know EVERYTHING about computers and why their PC does not work right, and what DLL's they've got hosed up, and should come over and fix it or figure it out over the phone. Well I don't, and it got to the point that I was contemplating listing them my hourly rate. Many of these folks were employed in various fields, an engineer, a carpet cleaner. I wouldn't think of inviting my carpet cleaner friend to come to my house and clean my carpets for free, because it was his expertise (and I doubt he would). Now I "just don't know", "it could be about anything and would probably take hours to figure out". I suppose the same can be said for photography. If your friends view you like a pro, you should probably charge like a pro. If things go bad, then don't charge or reshoot if possible. Tom C From: "Treena Harp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sadly, this attitude applies no matter what skill you possess. I'm a skilled > and experienced seamstress, but I utterly refuse to sew for other people. I > tried to out of the goodness of my heart for friends, but when I did, > suddenly I was treated as a servant -- they wanted EVERYTHING for free, were > hypercritical of everything I did and were totally ungrateful no matter how > good the finished product was. This goes for my other hobbies, too, > photography included. I believe most people truly don't appreciate things > that don't cost them anything. I say no because I'd rather have them > experience a couple of moments of annoyance with me, than do it and possibly > lose a friendship over it. > > > > > I was asked (didn't offer) some years ago to shoot a wedding for a > colleague > > at work. I said I would do it but didn't negotiate a fee because I was > > willing as an amateur to do it at cost. > > > > I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not > once > > was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My > > view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a > > reasonable gesture. > > > > Peter > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Sadly, this attitude applies no matter what skill you possess. I'm a skilled and experienced seamstress, but I utterly refuse to sew for other people. I tried to out of the goodness of my heart for friends, but when I did, suddenly I was treated as a servant -- they wanted EVERYTHING for free, were hypercritical of everything I did and were totally ungrateful no matter how good the finished product was. This goes for my other hobbies, too, photography included. I believe most people truly don't appreciate things that don't cost them anything. I say no because I'd rather have them experience a couple of moments of annoyance with me, than do it and possibly lose a friendship over it. > > I was asked (didn't offer) some years ago to shoot a wedding for a colleague > at work. I said I would do it but didn't negotiate a fee because I was > willing as an amateur to do it at cost. > > I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not once > was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My > view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a > reasonable gesture. > > Peter > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
I just sold my K24/2.8 for $192 on eBay a month ago. I liked it but already had an M28/3.5. I know, I know, the former is wider, faster and perhaps optically superior but I'm not as sophisticated as some of the other list members here. All my other primes from WA to TELE use the 49mm filter. The 24/2.8 was a 52mm size. Of course, I just bought an M200/4 from Mr. Brogden so now I need to get some more 52mm filters... Cheers, Steve S. -- http://people.mn.mediaone.net/sscott2 Dave Evans wrote: I hold that K lens in very high regard. The one I bought a few years ago on Ebay cost me $170 plus shipping, no filter. Well worth it. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/11 8:29 AM >>> At 07:48 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Did you notice that the seller described the lens as a SMC >Pentax-A? It's not, of course ... > >Daphne wrote: > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229385165 The seller changed (added) the description to "M" Which of course, isn't correct, either. David< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5
I thought the "F" was lighter as it doesn't have the power zoom of the FA Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com - Original Message - From: "herbet brasileiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5 > Arthur, > Have you tried the lens on your camera yet? I find the > F lens to be heavier and much slower to focus then the > FA series. I got the 70-210 and although it has > excelent optics, I don't use it as often because I > find it noisy and slow to focus. > However, if it's really a bargain, buy it. In the > worse case you can e-bay it and get your money back. > Herbet. > > --- Artur Ledóchowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I wrote, this lens is especially well graded on > > Photodo. My 35-80 mm lens (which is > > BTW F, not FA) has the grade of 2,2 and that 28-80 > > mm - 3,3. A significant difference, > > isn't it? And since I find my zoom to be VERY well > > built (despite it's bad opinion) - > > it's very sharp, no vignetting, little distortion - > > then that 28-80 mm should be > > incredible. The incredible quality for a low price > > is quite a bargain, isn't it? So, > > suppose I'll buy it, I'll have two options: > > - keep both lenses as standard zooms for main and > > backup bodies > > - sell that potentially worse lens (35-80 mm) and > > keep the incredible quality lens:) > > So I'd like to know how good is that 28-80 mm lens > > in reality. > > And I'm going to buy that 28 mm f2,8 anyway:) > > Greetz > > Artur > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Reasonable price for A* 1.8 135mm
Rob, Your point is well-taken: The 135/1.8A* is, of course, at the top of the heap of other 135/1.8s, which include the following third-party auto-diaphragm telephotos. Year of introduction is shown, followed by original list price and list price in 1998 U.S. dollars. Unless noted, these are available only in screwmount. (My apologies if my tabs are misaligned) Brand Porst MC135 1.8 80s? ?? ?? (82mm filter) M42 screwmount spiratone 135 1.8 73$135 $513 (82mm filter) T-mount soligor 135 1.8 73$330 $1,255 sigma 135 1.8 74$230 $800 (82mm filter) rokunar135 1.8 75$180 $560 samigon 135 1.8 75$260 $808 sigma XQ135 1.8 76$250 $728 (77mm filter) T-mount spiratone MC135 1.8 77$100 $277 formula 5 135 1.8 77$225 $623 Zenit MC Fodis 135 1.8 97 N/A N/A(77mm filter) Soligor CD 135 2.0 76 N/A N/A (77mm filter) M42 screwmount + K mount -- The only lens in the group for which I have close-focus information is the Zenit: 1.6 m (5.2 ft). Supposedly the 135/1.8s that used 77mm filters are optically superior to those thoat took 82mm filters. A German deaker that was recently offering the Porst told me he "thought" it was made by Tamron. But I doubt this is so, for I can find no record of a Tamron 135/1.8. As one list member wrote, "The 135/1.8A* is 'infinitely' sharper at f/1.8 than any other Pentax 135!" Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Paul, ...the only real comparison that can be made WO is with the Zenit 135/1.8 MC that you mentioned in your previous list. How does the Zenit stand up against the Pentax f1.8 WO? I expect that comparing the f1.8 at the maximum aperture of the lenses to which it was being compared would lead you to different conclusions. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
24/3.5 metal hood, Alastair?
um, sorry for mailing this to the list but I lost your email adress - are you still after that specific hood? if yes contact me offlist, I might have a lead for you. Daphne - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
An opposite experience I had. And also to address the previous thread about
being amateur and using older gear. I shot a wedding last year just for fun, it
was my oldest friend's wedding. They are not short of cash (read very wealthy)
and hired the best photog in town. Hassies, assistants, the full hit. I used my
ME Super w/50 and 135Ms. They ordered the obligatory shots from the pro
(comments="they were all right") and "ordered" about 200 prints from mine. I
spent 2 days in the darkroom and delivered them as a wedding present. The
embarrassing praise was more than enough pay back. I had phone calls from their
relatives around the US thanking me and complimenting me. So, don't think you
should undervalue your work for the idiotic reasons Bill addressed in his usual,
diplomatic style :-)
Norm
Peter Smith wrote:
> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>
> > I have too many friends who don't ask for enough up front for weddings
> > and the like, and then when faced with demands from the client for cheap
> > prints or the like ("Twelve dollars for an 8x10? I can get one done at
> > Wal-Mart for six!"), they find themselves not making any money, or worse
> > still, losing money.
>
> I was asked (didn't offer) some years ago to shoot a wedding for a colleague
> at work. I said I would do it but didn't negotiate a fee because I was
> willing as an amateur to do it at cost.
>
> I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not once
> was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My
> view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a
> reasonable gesture.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Exactly, we don't need to bring nationality into the debate. We can find plenty of other reasons to hate each other :-) Norm Cyril MARION wrote: > > (and as a French, I have been hurt by some of the words that have been > written here) > > We are not a lot of PENTAX fans through the world, so it semms useless to > argue one against each others. > > Peace, and keep enjoying photography. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5
Arthur, Have you tried the lens on your camera yet? I find the F lens to be heavier and much slower to focus then the FA series. I got the 70-210 and although it has excelent optics, I don't use it as often because I find it noisy and slow to focus. However, if it's really a bargain, buy it. In the worse case you can e-bay it and get your money back. Herbet. --- Artur Ledóchowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I wrote, this lens is especially well graded on > Photodo. My 35-80 mm lens (which is > BTW F, not FA) has the grade of 2,2 and that 28-80 > mm - 3,3. A significant difference, > isn't it? And since I find my zoom to be VERY well > built (despite it's bad opinion) - > it's very sharp, no vignetting, little distortion - > then that 28-80 mm should be > incredible. The incredible quality for a low price > is quite a bargain, isn't it? So, > suppose I'll buy it, I'll have two options: > - keep both lenses as standard zooms for main and > backup bodies > - sell that potentially worse lens (35-80 mm) and > keep the incredible quality lens:) > So I'd like to know how good is that 28-80 mm lens > in reality. > And I'm going to buy that 28 mm f2,8 anyway:) > Greetz > Artur __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Lens quality and distance (SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Mali1gned?)
> > A lens would be damned for any other optical defect, so why > not for this? > Field flatness at all distances is a worthwhile goal for any lens to > achieve. > Regards, > Anthony Farr Sure it's a worthwhile goal. Look at the price for a 14mm rectilinear. About $1200, the last time I looked. The shorter the focal length, the tougher, and more expensive it is to do things like that. I suspect all lens makers have this goal but are limited to producing lenses that they can get to market for reasonable prices. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fairy pics
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> I have too many friends who don't ask for enough up front for weddings
> and the like, and then when faced with demands from the client for cheap
> prints or the like ("Twelve dollars for an 8x10? I can get one done at
> Wal-Mart for six!"), they find themselves not making any money, or worse
> still, losing money.
I was asked (didn't offer) some years ago to shoot a wedding for a colleague
at work. I said I would do it but didn't negotiate a fee because I was
willing as an amateur to do it at cost.
I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not once
was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My
view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a
reasonable gesture.
Peter
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Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa³ / wrote: > Arthur, > > You should check Boz's pages under lenses. > > http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/ I checked it before. That's why I posted my email:)) > > See the zoom lenses and the non-Pentax lenses. There are pictures of the lenses included. You should note that Pentax labeled some lenses Pentax but did not include SMC coatings. I know. The point is, that I've seen "SMC F" written on this lens. > These seemed to happen particularly with the 28-80 zooms, where there were K versions, A versions and F versions. I noticed on Boz's site that the A version goes to .8 minimum focusing distance. I noticed it too and it confused me. I'm not sure if I didn't notice the distance indicator on the lens correctly or it is some strange lens Boz don't know (which I doubt:)) > > Overall, if you have a FA 35-80 lens, why do you want a 28-80. I would go for a >28mm f2.8. They are smaller and lighter and FASTER than your zoom. Why not do this? > As I wrote, this lens is especially well graded on Photodo. My 35-80 mm lens (which is BTW F, not FA) has the grade of 2,2 and that 28-80 mm - 3,3. A significant difference, isn't it? And since I find my zoom to be VERY well built (despite it's bad opinion) - it's very sharp, no vignetting, little distortion - then that 28-80 mm should be incredible. The incredible quality for a low price is quite a bargain, isn't it? So, suppose I'll buy it, I'll have two options: - keep both lenses as standard zooms for main and backup bodies - sell that potentially worse lens (35-80 mm) and keep the incredible quality lens:) So I'd like to know how good is that 28-80 mm lens in reality. And I'm going to buy that 28 mm f2,8 anyway:) Greetz Artur -- = "Our time has come, get ready to fight. Sisters and brothers, in metal unite. The dreams that you had are about to come true. The voice of the Warrior is calling for you!" Hammerfall "The Way of the Warrior" --- Bezpieczne zakupy w sieci! < http://www.ws.pl/Reklama/m.html?s=3 > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Info about PDML Location Survey: Please Read!
If you're new to the list or just haven't seen the geography poll before, here's how it works. I'm asking every member of the PDML (Pentax Discuss Mailing List... this thing you're reading now ) to mail me their city, state/province and country so that I can complile the information in a list. For security reasons, I will post a general summary to the PDML and will mail the detailed info directly to the participants. The general summary will be a list of how many PDML members are in each state/province or country. No names or e-mail addresses will be attached to this summary, as it will eventually wind up in the online PDML archives. The detailed info will consist of your name, city, state/province, country and e-mail address in the following format: Canada, Manitoba, Winnipeg; Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you don't want to include your city, that's fine; just let me know. I will mail the detailed info directly to the participants, so it will not be posted on the PDML or wind up on a web page somewhere. This way, only those PDML members who are sharing their info with you will have access to yours. Hopefully this info will help us to appreciate the truly international flavour of the PDML and will faciliate contacting other members. If you're taking a trip somewhere and have questions about your destination, you can see who lives there and e-mail them directly. If you want to arrange a get-together with other people from a region, you have their contact info at a glance. There have been a few meetings of PDML members already, which have apparently been a lot of fun, and I hope that this info makes it easier for meetings like this to happen. If you're interested in submitting your location for the list, or want to change the info you've already sent to me, or just have questions about the project, please e-mail me *off-list* at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll get right on it. Don't just hit "reply" to this message, as it will go to the list, not to me. I'll try to mail out an update to this info near the middle of every month, unless there have been no changes to it. Thanks! chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Hello the world, Doug, you have probably missed some parts of the translation : > A Scandinavian complained that a French magazine rated > some Pentax lenses too high and others too low, so in > response a French reader of said French magazine wrote > to someone at the magazine. In response, someone at the > magazine said that Americans, whose opinions don't count > anyway, should read another magazine. The 'one at the magazine' had nothing against Americans or any other people. He's just been told that somewhere on a list (PDML to be clear) people were asking questions about the relyability of the tests he performs every day. No one likes its said somewhere that his/her work is shit, and he did not like it. As the information came from a PENTAX lover, he put all niche camera make users, such as, say : - PENTAX - CONTAX - LEICA from various countries such as : - America (US) - JAVA (?) - France in the same bag, and says "if you only want to read elogious stuff about your beloved make, dont read CdI." He suggests those people read their club bulletin instead. I'm not sure my translation of this proverb is correct : 'Il n'y a de pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre' 'there is no deeper deaf than the one who does'nt want to ear' but it resumes well what I feel from this discussion. (and as a French, I have been hurt by some of the words that have been written here) We are not a lot of PENTAX fans through the world, so it semms useless to argue one against each others. Peace, and keep enjoying photography. Cyril - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Rude salespeople (was RE: Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 1)
Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Sometimes, in writing, people confuse Kodak Supra with Fuji Superia, which does come in 200. It happens all the time on rec.photo.film+labs. Both are color negative films, but Supra is a professional film made for photojournalists. Professional color negative films generally skip ISO 200 because the grain is close to ISO 400 (although some portrait films come in ISO 160)." Years ago, I telephoned a one-hour lab in a mall and asked the saleswoman whether they sold EktaPress 1600 color print film. "Sir," she replied, "Kodak doesn't make Ektapress in 1600. Just 100 and 400." "No, that's not true," I explained; "Ektapress 1600 has been my standard film for about three years." "Sir, you're mistaken. There is no Ektapress 1600." A year later (1991), I called a local branch of a well-known camera-store chain. "Do you have any used Olympus OM-4T cameras?" I asked. "No, sir, we don't. But you must keep in mind that that camera just recently came out. You're not gonna find many used samples on the market for some time." "That's not true," I replied, "The OM4-T came out in 1985." (or maybe I said '86) "Sir," the salesman replied condescendingly, "It came out this year. But if you want to believe it came out in 1985, it came out in 1985." He had no idea what he was in for. "EXCUSE ME, I fumed. "I am sitting at my desk with a folder labeled 'Olympus OM4-T.' In it are cover stories from Modern Photography, Popular Photography, Peterson's Photographic, and Shutterbug, all introducing the OM4-T, all from 1985. Don't tell ME it just came on the market!" "Oh." Oh, indeed! My sister was a sales rep for a large pharmaceuticals firm. I asked her how she would reply--or has replied--when a customer insists that something is true when my sister was 100 percent certain it was false. Her reply: "I would probably reply, "Oh, really? I wasn't aware of that; I'll have to look into it. Thank you for calling that to my attention." Does it really take a Ph.D in Customer Relations to know that this is the only way to treat a customer? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: RE: ME viewfinder (was Re: Zenitar 16/2.8 Fisheye)
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I consider myself a documentarian, not an artist. The point I wished to > make was that, even with matrix metering and autofocusing, real life is > difficult to capture accurately on film without periodic user intervention. > It is a point that Herb Keppler makes time and again in his Popular > Photography column. If some cameras can deliver well-exposed, well-focused > shots with the simple press of the shutter release, I have no problem with > that. Most can't. Thanks for responding in an intelligent manner to a post of mine which could easily be considered inflammable. I agree that user intervention is necessary to accurately record some scenes. I wasn't arguing that it wasn't; I was just saying that the *desire* for a camera that will do everything like that properly and automatically is perfectly understandable, IMO. I wasn't sure why you were looking down on people who wanted to get good pictures from a camera (I'm talking properly exposed and focused most of the time) even if they don't have the time to learn photography. > The people I've met who have spoken this sentiment to me usually > didn't mean, "I don't want to be an artist," but rather, "I'd rather > accomplish what you accomplish, the easy way." If only it WERE that > easy. These same people wonder why the indoor-graduation shots they > took from Row 23 with ISO 100 film in their auto-everything P&S are > underexposed. Ah, well that's a different matter than what I was talking about. I do think it's obviously unreasonable to expect your 23rd row p&s to compare favourably with a good camera used by someone who knows what they're doing, and it's equally unreasonable to assume that buying an expensive camera will mean that you're suddenly taking well-composed intelligent photos. If people expect that buying a good camera will make their composition perfect, or give them a better eye, they're probably mistaken. From my experience, though, a lot of people who want push-button cameras aren't looking for that. They just want their photos to come out well-exposed and with the main subject (usually in the center) properly exposed. I don't think it's unreasonable of them to want a camera that will do this most of the time without user intervention, especially if they're willing to spend the money on an SLR and not a p&s. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Peter wrote: PS> But then it all got a little Xenophobic don't you think? I too have this impression. Just to show Paal there still are French he can agree with: in his lens test file, FNAC (a large photo-video french commercial chain) laboratory gave the following ratings to Pentax lenses (4 stars being the highest): Wide open f/8 Uniformity(%) Light fall-off (EV) FA* 85/1.4 ** *** 790.6 FA* 300/2.8 *** 930.5 FA* 300/4.5 *** *** 940.4 Note the overall rating takes in account resolution uniformity across the frame as well as light fall-off - two parameters that are less weighed by Photodo's averaging method, for instance. Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Test of FA* 85/1.4 (WAS: Re: SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Maligned?)
I can't recall where I read this--either in Herb Keppler's book, "The Honeywell Pentax Way" or in Popular Photography--but when you compare the precision of a typical SLR's split-image rangefinder with the precision of a Leica rangefinder camera, the Leica is more precise at focal lengths up to about 85mm; the SLR has the edge at longer focal lengths. So the FA 85/1.4 would present a tie. The comparison was a theoretical one based solely on each rangefinder's base distance. Other factors, such as image magnification, would likely probably also play a role. --- Brian Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Clover's lens comparison obviously depends on focusing accuracy. I'm quite sure that I can focus my rangefinder more accurately at close distances than my ZX5-N (or, perhaps, Clover's MZ-3) can focus the 85/1.4 with either manual or auto focus. Good as it is, the Leica M lens still has a built-in advantage in Clover's test. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: suggested student cameras?
Put a K/M lens on MZ-M and you get center weighted meter. Switch to manual mode and the bar graph it appears in the viewfinder is more accurate and more suggestive than any match needle. And please don't tell me a student has to cock the shutter in order to get a grasp on photography basics... Servus, Alin :o/ Mark wrote: MS> I do not think any camera with any features other than match needle metering MS> is good for a student. If I had a ZXM years ago or a Super Program I would MS> have learned a lot less about sensitometry and judging a scene as to whether MS> to over expose or underexpose (relative to the needle). Features are a big MS> distraction. Multi segment metering means nothing to a student. A well MS> schooled student should be able to go out on a sunny day using the sunny 16 MS> rule and produce good negatives shooting in changing light conditions (i.e. MS> be able to compensate for a subject in the shade or passing cloud.). No MS> features for the student. When they understand what they are doing then MS> they can select the camera with the features they want. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 'mint' SMC-K 24/2.8 with 150$ BIN on ebay!
yup I noticed that this seller labels all Pentax primes (K, M) as 'A". perhaps he thinks 'A' means 'first-rate'? :-)Daphne - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMCF 28-80 f3,5-4,5
Arthur, You should check Boz's pages under lenses. http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/ See the zoom lenses and the non-Pentax lenses. There are pictures of the lenses included. You should note that Pentax labeled some lenses Pentax but did not include SMC coatings. These seemed to happen particularly with the 28-80 zooms, where there were K versions, A versions and F versions. I noticed on Boz's site that the A version goes to .8 minimum focusing distance. Overall, if you have a FA 35-80 lens, why do you want a 28-80. I would go for a 28mm f2.8. They are smaller and lighter and FASTER than your zoom. Why not do this? Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Lens quality and distance (SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Mali1gned?)
- Original Message - From: "Peter Spiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The published resolution tests are not very useful for wide angle lenses. > These tend to have more field curvature, and their close distance > performance is not good in the corners for flat objects, such as the test > targets in resolution tests (which are at less than 2 meters distance from > the camera). Thus, the 35mm f/2 has a low resolution rating in the corner > in the resolution tests. However, my real world tests for subjects at > infinity shows that its corner performance is if anything better than the > 50mm lenses, which score higher in the resolution tests. > > These tests can be found linked to my home page at > http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/photopage.htm > Why should lens manufacturers be excused for letting so much curvature of field occur that corner resolution at close distances and large apertures is compromised? Besides, 1-2 metres is not such a small distance for a WA lens. A lens would be damned for any other optical defect, so why not for this? Field flatness at all distances is a worthwhile goal for any lens to achieve. Anyway, is there some convention that prevents a lens from being focussed in the corners when corner resolution is being tested? Was there a desire to only use one frame of film at each aperture being checked? Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: EXCITEMENT!! LX dating help . . .
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, William Kane wrote: >Ok, I'm not going to make this a LONG post, as I want to go and > play, but I JUST got the LX I had ordered from MXV camera's . . . It > was in EX+ condition according to them, and I must say that it's in > much better condition than I had expected. A few small scratches to > the baseplate, one scratch on the finder and some brassing to the MLU > button is about all the damage I can see right now. Inside of the LX > is CLEAN!! Came with a set of strap lugs installed on it too. Congrats! I just got mine a little while ago, and after it gets back from a CLA I'm going to have a lot of fun with it. :) > A couple of questions . . . what exactly is the function of the "thumb > screw" that is just to the right of the shutter curtain (when looking > inside the body from behind)? If you turn it in the direction it indicates (counterclockwise), a film blind drops down. You have to use this with the Watch Data LX back, but not the Dial Data LX. You don't have to use it with normal backs. Have fun! It's a beautiful camera. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Maligned?
Pål, If you call the A* 135/1.8, A* 300/2.8 and A* 85/1.4 average then I guess that you could presume the A 35/2.8 to be mediocre. I do not, and you must agree, think that the Pentax "Star" lenses are average. They belong in the highest order of optical quality. Did you understand my disagreement with you? I actually did agree with you that the "Star" lenses had been damned with faint praise, and never did contend that the A35/2.8 is their equal. Being less than excellent does not instantly denote mediocrity, there is a vast gulf between the two levels. Are you possibly confusing "mediocre" (moderate to inferior in quality, ordinary) with "median" (a method of defining averages) because of the two words' superficial resemblance? BTW "by todays standards" practically all of the greatest lenses in the history of photography would be mediocre, yet practically all of photography's greatest pictures were shot with yesteryear's "mediocre" lenses. That is one reason why revisionist history is a repugnant concept. And then to compare the humble A35/2.8 to yet another "Star" lens (FA* 28-70/2.8) is a gross mismatch because "Star" lenses are a class above those lacking the star. Or was it an opportunity to drop the name of yet another Stellar lens that you possess? (See: Subject: Macro flash bracket "Anyone with tips on a lightweight flash bracket for use on my FA* 200/4 macro? Pål", as if someone as knowledgable and resourceful as yourself, who apparently has all the answers, needs our opinion. A Dolly Dixer if ever I heard or read one!) Whatever your opinion of lens tests is, one thing is true about them. A lens CANNOT deliver better results than it should because of human error, because resolution can only be lost by poor handling, not increased. If you truly believe that (in Yoshi's figures that I posted) the A35/2.8 delivered its absolute best while EVERY OTHER lens suffered from some kind of testing error, then there is nothing more to say except, "There is none so blind as he who will not see". Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anthony wrote: "The A 35/2.8 (if it is at least equal to the M35/2.8) is neither the best nor the worst lens amongst Pentax lenses. This would make it an AVERAGE performer. An average Pentax lens is pretty good when measured against any other brand IMO :)" REPLY: Well, I did put this lens in a context; compared to the A* 135/1.8, A* 300/2.8 and A* 85/1.4 the A 35/2.8 is a mediocre lens. You may call it a average performer compared to contemporary primes; I've heard that its better than similar vintage Nikkor 35mm lenses. Anyhow, by todays standards its a mediocre performer in my opinion. Eg. at 35mm the FA* 28-70/2.8 gives better result at all apertures. It's certainly not a bad performer. Some of my best photographs have been shot with the A 35/2.8. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: suggested student cameras?
Jeff, I did a lot of research into full-featured bounce/swivel dedicated flash for my Super Program. I ended up with Ritz Camera's best and I couldn't be happier. I forget the specs, but the guide number is something like 112 feet; you can zoom the head between 35 and 85mm focal lengths, and add a temporary 28mm diffuser; and you can select bounce only or bounce + supplementary front flash. You can set the ISO between 25 and 1600 in 1/3 stops. The Ritz is basically a rebranded version of the top of the line of one of the other main flash makers, whose name escapes me. It costs less than $100. And because it uses a dedicated module, you can move it onto different cameras, such as a Pentax AF SLR. As I recall, there was a slight aesthetic difference between the Ritz and its twin. One had clearer markings, the other was a bit prettier. But I forget which is which. The top-end Ritz is heavy; you might want to opt for a less powerful, but equally full-featured (I think) sibling. Jeff Tokayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just picked up a mint Super Program, for less than the K-1000. It has a nice feel to it and it balances very nicely with the A 50/1.4 and the SP 90/2.5 Tamron. Just wish I had kept the 280T flash. Jeff - Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: grandfather mountain
"Provencher, Paul M." wrote: > > Sorry for my ignorance - where is this located? And dates? Thanks! http://www.grandfather.com/calendar/calendar.htm Scroll down to "The 16th Annual Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend". 6/1-6/3. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Significant Chance of Auroral Activity Next Two Nights
Hi, Just another reminder that there's a significant chance of auroral activity the next two nights. Try to look before moonrise local time. Unfortunately, for me, we just got 8" of snow last night and it's still dumping like crazy. Predicted partial clearing this evening. I'm hoping so and that I'll be able to get some aurora over the snowy mountain pictures. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 3
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list, right to me. 2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b and w) 3 - You must choose ONLY ONE (color print OR slide OR b and w, etc). 4 - You must have personal experience with it. WINNER by now: Tri-X with 7 votes. Members: 40 COLOR (Print and Slide): Kodak Kodachrome 25 (2) Fuji Velvia (2) Kodak Kodachrome 64 (2) Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color 100 (2) Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (3) Fuji Sensia II 100 (2) Fuji Provia 100F (1) Kodak Supra 100 (1) Fuji Reala 100 (1) Kodak Portra 160 NC (1) Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1) Kodak Ektachrome E200 (1) Kodak Max 400 (1) Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1) Kodak Supra 400 (1) Kodak Portra 400 NC (1) Agfa HDC 400 (1) Agfa Optima Prestige II 400 (1) Kodak Portra 800 (1) Fuji Press 800 (1) Kodak PJC 1600 (1) BLACK AND WHITE: Kodak Plus-X (1) Ilford FP4 Plus (1) Kodak Tri-X (7) Agfa APX 400 (1) Ilford HP5 (1) INFRARED: Kodak HIE (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
You just don't know me very well yet. I think someone coined the term "dirty ol man" after they met me ;-) William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Ken Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Guess I should have waited with my response. I think I just > found a kindred soul. > > You are much more polite > William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Lens Roll Call Results UPDATE 10 (Dedicated with love to Pal)
This update number 2345678 is dedicated to Pal, who in an email says "some people at magazines hates the web, because common people (users) shares personal experience in equipment (ie lenses) wich is more valuable info than lens tests" and in next email laughs at my roll call. A warm regard for you. These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list exclusively. On-list votes will not be included. 2 - You must choose Your Favorite Pentax Lens. ONLY ONE. Yes, ONLY ONE. 3 - It must be original, no third-party allowed. 4 - Primes and zooms. 5 - You must specifiy: Tak, Super Tak, SMC Tak, K, M, A, F, FA, etc. 6 - You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you have it, had it, lost it, sold it, borrowed it, but you must have used it. If not it would be a wish list. First Place (5 votes): FA* 24 2 Members: 95 K 15 3.5 (1) A 15 3.5 (1) A 20 2.8 (1) K 24 2.8 (3) A 24 2.8 (1) FA* 24 2 (5) K 28 3.5 (1) K 28 3.5 Shift (1) M 28 2.8 (1) A 28 2 (1) FA 35 2 (1) M 40 2.8 (4) FA 43 1.9 Limited (1) SuperTak 50 1.4 (1) SMC Tak 50 1.4 (1) SMC Tak 55 1.8 (2) K 50 1.2 (2) M 50 1.4 (3) M 50 1.7 (2) M 50 4 Macro (1) A 50 1.4 (4) FA 50 1.4 (2) FA 50 1.7 (1) K 55 1.8 (1) FA 77 1.8 Limited (2) SMC Tak 85 1.8 (1) K 85 1.8 (2) M 85 2 (1) A* 85 1.4 (2) FA* 85 1.4 (2) M 100 4 Macro (1) M 100 4 Dental Macro (1) A 100 2.8 (1) A 100 2.8 Macro (2) F 100 2.8 Macro (1) FA 100 2.8 Macro (3) K 105 2.8 (2) K 135 2.5 (1) A 135 2.8 (1) Tak 200 3.5 Preset (1) A* 200 2.8 (1) A* 200 4 Macro (4) A* 300 2.8 (1) F* 300 4.5 (2) FA* 400 5.6 (1) FA 20-35 4 (3) M 24-50 4 (1) FA 24-90 3.5-4.5 (1) F 35-70 3.5-4.5 Macro (1) FA 28-105 4-5.6 powerzoom (1) A 35-105 3.5 (3) K 45-125 4 (1) M 75-150 4 (2) A 70-210 4 (1) A 80-200 4.7-5.6 (1) FA* 80-200 2.8 (1) 6x7 SMC 45 4 (1) 6x7 SMC Tak 55 3.5 (1) 6x7 SMC 55 4 (1) 67 165 4 LS (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
