Re: OT: St. Louis Camera Shops
Why yes you are sooo right. It should be put on a pedestal raised high in the sky and almost worshiped. It should be photographed only with pentax and loved by the whole world. After all it is a "baseball town". jeepgirl (the Rockies fan) > If it is in St. Louis and it is colored red > then it's a Cardinal and should be dealt > with using appropriate measures. > > Collin (the Cub fan) > > (For those not understanding, this is Life ... err, Baseball) > > *** > > Data Processing Consultation, Inc. > Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance > http://www.iol21.com/dpconsult > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Hello I also do, but my opinion, is that the MZ-S does not fit the purpose it has to. Because I am waiting for a better SLR, and I do believe that this will only help Pentax to built a better camera. (I also do not like Mz-S as I hold a sample for a moment) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: vendredi 13 avril 2001 07:31 Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > The Maxxum 7 may be a good SLR, but then you are stuck using > Minolta lenses. I use Pentax because, in part, I don't like > Minolta lenses. > William Robb > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: April 12, 2001 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > > > > >Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I > am very > > >waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. > > > > If a camera that fits the purpose, why care if it was better > than Minolta or > > any other brands. Besides, there are always something better > and more > > advance in the near future. > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, William Johnson wrote: > Mine does the 400...1000...1600. It is a #151. My remaining Super Program does 400...1000.1600..3200 It's 1216109. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rear Converter-A 2X-L lens compatibility, experiment
Rob Studdert wrote: > Hi Team, > > I've been naughty :-) > > I was re-organizing my tele-kit and was prompted to do a little > experimentation. > > Thought: Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the Rear Converter-A 2X-L on > my SMCPA*200f2.8, can't though, it won't fit, have to carry the 2X-S just for > this lens. > > Light-bulb over head: Measure the rear element clearance in the 200f2.8, > seems to be enough room, 2X-L won't fit though as there are two short light > baffles that prevent it from seating fully. > > Icky part: Miniature hex point screw driver in hand, remove screws that > secure the entire rear baffle, slip it out carefully, lens is now looking > decidedly bald from the rear :-) > > Cool part: Carefully pop the 2X-L on the back of the lens, no bumps, clashes, > fits perfectly, locks in no problems, looking good. Take the combo outside > mounted on an LX, no noticeable vignetting, great crisp view through the > finder, have to do some real performance tests between the two converters > now. > > Since there seems to be no issue with this coupling optically was the > addition of the two baffles simply a marketing ploy or what, I can't see the > baffles being significant optically excepting when the sun is just out of frame > at the top of the long edge of the frame? Am I now obliged to file off the > baffles :-( > Wow, you are brave, modifying a "star" lens. I have no hesitation to modify my stereo equipment & just about anything else to make it suit my needs better but I have not been brave enough to modify any of my "star" lenses yet. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG News
Let me note for the record, Alin sent me the update 10 days ago. Thanks Bill - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 12, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: PUG News > In the better late than never category, Alin Flaider has updated > the PUG directory to include the April Gallery. > We also are welcoming yet another kind soul to the PUG Enablers > Team (PET). > Adelheid Kirschten has graciously volunteered his services. > Thank you and welcome aboard, Adelheid. > Thanks > Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG News
In the better late than never category, Alin Flaider has updated the PUG directory to include the April Gallery. We also are welcoming yet another kind soul to the PUG Enablers Team (PET). Adelheid Kirschten has graciously volunteered his services. Thank you and welcome aboard, Adelheid. Thanks Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
The Maxxum 7 may be a good SLR, but then you are stuck using Minolta lenses. I use Pentax because, in part, I don't like Minolta lenses. William Robb - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 12, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > >Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I am very > >waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. > > If a camera that fits the purpose, why care if it was better than Minolta or > any other brands. Besides, there are always something better and more > advance in the near future. > > regards, > Alan Chan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
>Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I am very >waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. If a camera that fits the purpose, why care if it was better than Minolta or any other brands. Besides, there are always something better and more advance in the near future. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
Hi Paul, Mine does the 400...1000...1600. It is a #151. I don't know any of the answers to your questions, but I will speculate on one. About the time that the Super Program was in production, Kodak came out with their VR1000 high speed color print film. I don't believe that there were any 800 speed films being produced at that time, and Kodak was pushing the low light capability of the 1000 speed film pretty hard (I think this may have been the first T-grain emulision, first in color anyway). Perhaps Pentax thought that it would be less confusing for the general consumer to have a mark at 1000 for a film that existed vs 800 that only someone who might be pushing film speed etc. (in other words, knew what they were doing) would be using. Just a guess. Regards, William in Utah. Paul wrote; Does anyone know when the change was introduced? Which came first? Why the change was made? What other changes occurred during the Super Program / Super A's manufacturing cycle? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fw: Hi and lens find
- Original Message - From: "Greg Erker" Subject: Hi and lens find > Hi Bill, > > I saw at Pentax-M 200/4 at MPS for $75 on my > lunch hour today. It looked good thru the window but > I didn't inspect it since I don't need it (I have the 200/2.5). > > If you or anyone on the list might want it let the > list know. Their web page is www.mpscanada.com > I believe. > Regards - Greg > > --- > Greg Erker > Product Design Engineer > PMC-Sierra Saskatoon > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New to the list
Well thank you. All of us at the PUG are quite proud of the response it recieves. http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html has submission guidelines http://pug.komkon.org/general/themes.html has the upcoming themes listed. Thanks William Robb - Original Message - From: "S B Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 12, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: Re: New to the list > Will consider sending some images to the gallery > after reading how to do it. My images have to be > rescanned or scaled down to meet the requirements. > I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed > it tremendously!! > > Best Wishes > Eddie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New to the list
Welcome Eddie, I saw your photos over at the site you mentioned, so you know how it works. Scaling stuff down is a simple resizing in almost anybody's software package. You'll have a welcome audience for whatever you post. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Will consider sending some images to the gallery after reading how to do it. My images have to be rescanned or scaled down to meet the requirements. I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed it tremendously!! Best Wishes Eddie >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Plus-X
Plus-X is not the same film it was 25 years ago, either. I found that out by taking a few years off from the darkroom in the early 1980s. When I went back to it, everything had changed, and none of the old techniques worked the same. What you described in your previous post sounds like simple under development. Shel says increase the time 10%, while leaving all other factors the same. I say increase time 30% and see if it is too much. If it is (it should be), then you can work backwards to what is correct. I believe in setting some sort of upper limit with this sort of testing procedure. Look also at your shadows and make sure you are not under exposing the film. I like a fairly meaty negative, especially with the larger formats. I don't put as much stock in the idea of the MAGIC DEVELOPER concept. I have found over time that developers all do pretty much the same thing. With a few exceptions, they are interchangeable, though not with the same time/temp/agitation scheme. I certainly agree that making one developer work for you is important, so stick with one developer. You will find that knowing how a developer works is very handy when trying a new film. William Robb - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 12, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Plus-X > These were negs from 25 years ago. The developer was D-76, dilution unknown. > The paper was Kodak's RCII. I've just reprinted some of them on RCIII. > > It appears that I should spend some time to (re)learn darkroom techniques. > > Thanks, > > Collin > > From: Shel Belinkoff > > -- -- > > > Do not use Acufine until you've resolved this situation. Jumping > from developer to developer will not solve anything. > > BTW, did you print the negatives, or just view them? Negatives can > surprise you. They may look flat, thin, or low in contrast, but they > may print beautifully. Which then begs the question, what paper and > paper grade are you using? What paper developer are you using? > What time/temp are you using to make the prints? > -- > Shel Belinkoff - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine ...
Sid, I agree Doug's page is very nice...maybe a bit complicated for your friends first try. You might take a hike thru the Pentax web ring at http://www.phred.org/pentax/pdlist.html Keeping it simple is a good idea. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New to the list
Will consider sending some images to the gallery after reading how to do it. My images have to be rescanned or scaled down to meet the requirements. I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed it tremendously!! Best Wishes Eddie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: suggested student cameras?
That's "the MZ-M everywhere in the world except the US, or in the US, the ZX-M". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of martin tammer Sent: April 12, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: suggested student cameras? I've recommended the ZX-M, or in Canada, MZ-M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: suggested student cameras?
Here in Richmond BC, Kwantlan College runs some Photography courses, and the recommends SP's, SPF's and K1000's etc. Consequently they do go quickly, and are a bit more expensive. BTW: The SP II I saw a couple of weeks ago is still available at $165CDN +tax, is this reasonable? James - Original Message - From: "martin tammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: suggested student cameras? > Be careful, my friend, because I've gone through a MG and a ME Super in the > past few months because of electronic failure. > Also, be careful of the seals in the camera, that they are not going to > mush. > That is why I've recommended the ZX-M, or in Canada, MZ-M. > It's new and will get your student through the course, and then some. > Cheers - Martin > --- Geordie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to thank everyone who suggested camera bodies and lenses for a > > student. I was also happy to notice that many people suggested the K1000, > > MX, ME Super etc. Especially since I can find one or two of these wihtout > > any trouble. My friend will be pleased! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Geordie Clarke > > Victoria, British Columbia. > > > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My decision...
Tanya, Sounds like a pretty reasonable plan, I guess. Only a couple of things to think about: Plan for repeat business. Giving them 70-80 5x7's will assure that they will be awash in photos for the foreseeable future. Maybe forever. You have a pretty good eye, but I don't think you're yet at the point where you can come up with 70-80 shots that are unique and different enough from one another, as well as photographically valid, as to warrant including them all. Also, you don't want to shoot your wad right away. If you use up every single idea you have, what are you going to do next time? A smaller number of carefully edited and arranged portraits will work better for you, because the clients will be impressed with your work, you leave room for reorders (which will be non-existent if you deliver 80 5x7's), AND, possibly most important, the client will begin to think of the next session. And speaking of reprints, keep the prices up there on them. If folks figure out that the reprints are cheaper than the initial package, they'll cheap you on the first order and then reorder you to death. Entirely up to you, Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My decision...
- Original Message - From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" < Subject: My decision... I would mark up the prints a bit more, I think. Do try to work towards having your nrgatives printed as rarely as possible, they do get scratched after a few printings. Have your work done by a lab that is not competing against you for photography. The last thing you want is for your competition to be in control of your print quality and negatives. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Inspiration
- Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" Subject: OT: Inspiration > I just picked up my first copy of "View Camera". > What an inspiring journal! > Does anyone else look at it? > I must start looking for it again. A friend of mine subscribed for several years, so I was able to borrow his old copies for a while. It is a wonderful magazine. I recall it as being extraordinarily expensive also. Quality costs. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Mystery lens - Sigma 28mm, F2.8 macro, manual focus, PK mount
martin tammer wrote: > Would appreciate any information at all about this lens. Can't find a thing > on the Internet. > Best regards - Martin. > Hi Martin, I have this lens. Very nice. Excellent quality. there is info on the internet though. Check Photodo.com and look at their lens testing results. (Look under sigma, then find this lens.) This lens gets a very good score. Sid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an exampleof how mine should be
http://www.jonmorgan.com http://www.tonysweetphotography.com I'm partial to my site as well. Hope this helps, Doug At 8:10 PM -05004/12/01, Sid Barras caused thus to appear: >Hi, >I have acquired a very nice lady friend and agent who'd like to design a >web page for my photography. She is about to complete a course in web >page design basics, and she wants to get a web page up for me quickly, >because I have an exhibition in early June, and she wants me to have a >web presence prior to and during the exhibition. > >She's even arranged for a local TV station to do a segment on me and my >photography on a local show that showcases "talented (read: >"undiscovered") local artists and eccentric characters" I think I >qualify under both parameters I think I must have done something >good in a previous life to run into this Lady > >Anyways, here's the deal: She would like for me to find a web site I >like and in a style that would be appropriate for show casing my work. >I'm not talking about plagiarism, guys. She would just like to see what >other photographers have done to get ideas for layout and format. > >Then, as time permits, she and I will get together on a style that is >more original and more personal. But she thinks (and I agree) that a web >presence is essential in today's market. An address to my site that we >could include on our invitations and flyers regarding the exhibition. > >So, help me out here, group! If you think your site is Boss, or you know >of someone else's, please tell me. I promise not to steal, just to get >ideas; and probably just temporary as we work on a permanent site. > >Thanks a million for your help, > >Sid B -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Copyright law
Geeze Tom, you think I don't do my research or something? The following is a direct quote from the Canadian Copyright Act. Be aware that Canada is signatory to both the WTO treaty and the Treaty of Berne. If your country is signatory to both of those conventions, your copyright act is probably similar. "(2) Where, in the case of an engraving, photograph or portrait, the plate or other original was ordered by some other person and was made for valuable consideration in pursuance of that order, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, the person by whom the plate or other original was ordered shall be the first owner of the copyright." SO THERE! William Robb - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" < Subject: Re: Copyright law > WRONG > > Work for hire is when you are an employee of the > people who you are working for. As a simple rule of thumb, > if they are not paying you wages and taking out taxes you > are not doing work for hire. Short of a written agreement > otherwise that is the only way they could prove you were > doing work for hire. And even then photography would > almost need to be part of your job discription. > > Other than that the only way you can give up your copyright > is by signing an agreement to do so. > > Of course, outside the US the laws may be different, but > most civilised countries are signaturies of the inter- > national agreement. > > --Tom > > > > William Robb wrote: > > > > > While I am not an international copyright expert, my > > understanding of copyright law is that in a work for hire > > situation (which means if you get paid to take the pictures with > > some sort of sitting fee), then the first owner of the copyright > > is the person paying for the work, unless you have a clause in > > your contract specifying otherwise. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Rear Converter-A 2X-L lens compatibility, experiment
Hi Team, I've been naughty :-) I was re-organizing my tele-kit and was prompted to do a little experimentation. Thought: Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the Rear Converter-A 2X-L on my SMCPA*200f2.8, can't though, it won't fit, have to carry the 2X-S just for this lens. Light-bulb over head: Measure the rear element clearance in the 200f2.8, seems to be enough room, 2X-L won't fit though as there are two short light baffles that prevent it from seating fully. Icky part: Miniature hex point screw driver in hand, remove screws that secure the entire rear baffle, slip it out carefully, lens is now looking decidedly bald from the rear :-) Cool part: Carefully pop the 2X-L on the back of the lens, no bumps, clashes, fits perfectly, locks in no problems, looking good. Take the combo outside mounted on an LX, no noticeable vignetting, great crisp view through the finder, have to do some real performance tests between the two converters now. Since there seems to be no issue with this coupling optically was the addition of the two baffles simply a marketing ploy or what, I can't see the baffles being significant optically excepting when the sun is just out of frame at the top of the long edge of the frame? Am I now obliged to file off the baffles :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My decision...
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: > > [detailed business plan snipped] > > Lemme know what you guys think In general, it sounds like a good plan. You are putting a far more resonable price on your own time, and setting expectations appropriately. Just one place where I think you are still too cheap: > Of course, any other > enlargements/reprints will be subject to cost plus a small mark-up on my > behalf (probably 25% to 50%-ish). Start off with a *much* higher markup. And a minimum order value; it's not worth your time to process a $15 order for reprints. Every time you hand over your negatives for printing there is a chance that they could be lost, scratched, or otherwise damaged. That means you will be spending time touching up the print so that your client doesn't see the scratches. Your cost structure needs to allow for that time, so a 50% markup is far too low. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: suggested student cameras?
Be careful, my friend, because I've gone through a MG and a ME Super in the past few months because of electronic failure. Also, be careful of the seals in the camera, that they are not going to mush. That is why I've recommended the ZX-M, or in Canada, MZ-M. It's new and will get your student through the course, and then some. Cheers - Martin --- Geordie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to thank everyone who suggested camera bodies and lenses for a > student. I was also happy to notice that many people suggested the K1000, > MX, ME Super etc. Especially since I can find one or two of these wihtout > any trouble. My friend will be pleased! > > > Regards, > > Geordie Clarke > Victoria, British Columbia. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations
I have the Vivitar 17-28mm PKA mount. One of the great unsung lenses. Check the rating site, photodo, and it gets a 4. It's built like a tank but you have to be careful regarding flare cheers - Martin --- Bill Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Michel Adam wrote: > > > > > This much I know: after the first time you look through the viewfinder > > with a 15mm, nothing is ever the same. > > This much I can agree with. I always thought my 35 was wide, but when I > got my hands on a 17mm . . . WOAH, now when I put on the 35 I > think it must be one of my narowest lenses! (and I have a 100-500 zoom!) . > . . > > BTW, I have a vivitar 17 manual focus for sale if anyone is interested. > > Illinois Bill > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My decision...
Ok, firstly everybody THANK-YOU so much for your insightful, informative and detailed replies. I am glad to see that this topic has progressed into a full-scale discussion that can be useful for many others on the list, as well as myself. Thankyou also to those of you who have offered encouragement and also praise of my work on photo.net. I am not naive or stupid enough to consider anything I have produced to be faultless or even anything much more than amateur in its appearance, but judging by your responses, and those of the kids' parents that I have worked with, I must be doing at least SOMEthing right. It is now at a point where it is physically impossible for me to reply to you all individually. There has been such an overwhelming number of responses and posts on this topic that I just don't have the time, and with my poor neglected hubby being home, I'd soon be divorced if I even attempted it! ;-) So I will summarise by saying that I have read EACH and EVERY response and analysed them all to the "nth degree" in a bid to come to a decision about how I should approach any prospective "clients" and in what direction I should take as far as photographing for payment is concerned. I have tried to come up with a situation that will allow me to make some money, will allow me to keep my creative control, will be value for money for the client, will provide the client with portraits that are soulful, thought-provoking and very personal, will not jeopardise the standing of other photographers in town, is in line with what others in town charge, AND will offer me promotion and experience and a chance to add to my portfolio. I have considered all of your suggestions of "sales", discounts, donations, etc, etc and I have devised a plan of attack, which should in theory, provide all of the above as well as satisfy you lot as well. It is a combination of a number of the ideas input through your suggestions on PDML and will work in conjunction with fundraising efforts with my son's day-care centre I will be offering each parent a special "Exclusive" priced sitting (which must be booked and paid through the day-care centre) of $250, while stressing that payment via cash or cheque must be paid on the day of the shoot or prior (to emphasise the importance of the "special" price). For this, I will spend 2 hours with each child at their choice of location/s (petrol/travel is not an issue as it only takes 10 mins to drive from one side of town to the other, and I mean from boundary to boundary here, no exaggeration, that is how small this town is!) I will shoot 3 rolls - 2 x 24 exp colour, 1 x 36 exp b&w. The child/children/family can make use of my props/costumes etc or they can wear what they already have (this will be discussed in an initial meeting with the parents so that I know "what I am in for" and can make alternative suggestions to ensure that I have the input and the outcome that I want from the photographs). They will receive (included in the $250); a single set of all prints (except for the crap ones that I will - and always do - ditch before they see them), so about 70-80 shots in all, printed at 5x7 size. For an extra $75 they may have an 8 x 10 enlargement that is framed in a handmade, rustic style frame in their choice of coloured stain (these are beautifully constructed, high quality frames that a friend of mine is going to produce for next to nothing in a bid to promote his "rustic" furniture business). Of course, any other enlargements/reprints will be subject to cost plus a small mark-up on my behalf (probably 25% to 50%-ish). I am also looking into bulk-buying a number of basic albums to present the shots to the clients in and for them to keep. In return for their support and assistance in promoting me/my work, I will be "donating" $25 from each sitting to the day-care centre. They jumped at the chance when I offered it to them as they are constantly fundraising to try and make ends meet. When I said to them, "we only need 20 sittings and you have $500 in your pocket", without any effort on your behalf, they were extremely excited. There are over 70 kids enrolled in the centre, so 20 sittings should not be too out of reach. I will earn about $2500 after expenses, a total of about $60 per hour (about 40-45 hours shooting time), not including the work I put in at home on props/costumes/backdrops etc, which I would be more than happy with. I may also be able to increase my profit margin by approaching the lab that I use and striking up a deal for the processing and film since I will be purchasing large amounts (eg. about 40 rolls coloured film - probably Fuji reala 100, 20 rolls b&w - Kodak TCN-400, plus 5x7 printing (doubles, I'll keep one set for myself) of all of these films). This shouldn't be hard as they already offer me a discount cause I give them so much business. I look at it like this, if I can book at least 20 sittings like this, I will then have enough money to
Re: SPF/SP and using date expired B&W and Colour films.
Thanks Alin, That's interesting, just been playing with the Ricoh KR-10 I received the other day (Thank you again Mark), and noticed there is an adjustment for asa settings of +/- 2. Given a 3200 ASA film, I was told use it at 800 ASA. Am I right to assume this is equivalent to 2 stops? James - Original Message - From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:57 AM Subject: Re: SPF/SP and using date expired B&W and Colour films. > > James, > All colour emulsions lose sensitivity due to natural radioactivity > and internal diffusion between layers. I hear the rate is somewhere > around half of stop each year, maybe more for faster films. It also > depends largely on the film. > > Servus, Alin > > James wrote: > > JA> A professional photographer friend of mine, recently gave me some surplus > JA> date expired B&W and Colour films he had stored in his freezer. As he is > JA> away at Whisler as a ski instructor most of the ski season, he would not be > JA> able to use the film. He also said, I may need to adjust film speed down > JA> [e.g. 3200asa to 800asa]. Can anyone explain why (can't get hold of him to > JA> ask more)? > > JA> The film types are: > JA> 1. Tmax TMZ 135 p3200 > JA> 2. Kodak Pro1000 PMZ-36 (C-41) > JA> 3. Kodak Tmax-400 TMY-36 > JA> 4. Kodak Pro Supra 400 > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: anyone know a cheap source for glass and plexiglass?
> How about plexiglass, anyone have experience with it? suitable > substitute for glass in a fine art framed print? Not in my opinion. It scratches far too easily, has inferior optical qualities, and costs more than glass. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: RE: Fairy pics
Agreed Begin Original Message From: "Provencher, Paul M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:27:34 -0400 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fairy pics I disagree to some extent, but my opinion might come off a little arrogant so bear with me... I do admit that when you take money to do a job for a client, you have to please them. And if you happen *not* to be very well known, regarded, etc, you may have to do work in a style that pleases your client but not yourself. Then photography indeed gets to be a little bit too much like work. On the other hand, if you cultivate a style, produce a recognizable body of work, and make yourself happy, you might starve happily. But if you have lodged yourself in a place where your style and body of work appeals to people who pay money to get it, you have the best of both worlds. This balance may be hard to strike in pure commercial work, but it goes to the question put forth here about "good clients" and how to recognize them. If you are working toward working full time as a photographer, but still have gainful employment in another place, don't take those jobs that would spoil your enjoyment of the craft. Don't shoot those shots that offend your taste or cramp your style. You may not reach your goal, but more people have, than one might imagine. I am sure that even those who are hired to "be themselves" from time to time shoot things they'd rather not. But by and large I think most truly great photographers regularly put their soul into their work. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Inspiration
I just picked up my first copy of "View Camera". What an inspiring journal! Does anyone else look at it? Collin *** Data Processing Consultation, Inc. Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance http://members.iol21.com/dpconsult [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: RE: Fairy pics
I shoot pictures at many local horse shows not only for the riders at our barn but of others to sell at a meager profit.I to have many compliments re the sharpness of colour from my Pentax's(and i'm sure Kodak has something to add also). Dave Begin Original Message From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:54:52 -0400 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fairy pics I guess it takes all kinds in this world. One salesman at my photo store constantly shows me his pictures. He takes good shots and I make sure to let him know which ones are great and then point out some things he can do to correct others. A lot of times they are action shots and I tell him that he just has to keep certain things in mind in terms of timing and composition, not so much the technical aspect. I know he appreciates my inputs both good and bad. I cannot see how anything can be gained by just pointing out the negatives - I agree with Tom's note on this point. On a Pentax note, he is considering getting rid of his Minolta gear. Especially after we both spent some time photographing a rugby tourney a while back. He noted how everyone raved about my photos. Beyond the timing and composition, he noticed the color saturation and sharpness of my shots. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida > From: tom [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: > > > > I have this guy here in town (yep, the one hour guy again,) who > > constantly looks at my stuff and picks it to pieces without ever having > > anything nice to say, > > This guy is obviously an ass. > > tv > - > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Plus-X
These were negs from 25 years ago. The developer was D-76, dilution unknown. The paper was Kodak's RCII. I've just reprinted some of them on RCIII. It appears that I should spend some time to (re)learn darkroom techniques. Thanks, Collin From: Shel Belinkoff Do not use Acufine until you've resolved this situation. Jumping from developer to developer will not solve anything. BTW, did you print the negatives, or just view them? Negatives can surprise you. They may look flat, thin, or low in contrast, but they may print beautifully. Which then begs the question, what paper and paper grade are you using? What paper developer are you using? What time/temp are you using to make the prints? -- Shel Belinkoff *** Data Processing Consultation, Inc. Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance http://members.iol21.com/dpconsult [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on?
I've done this. The adaptor I got had a small tab that sticks out that holds the adaptor in the Kmount. I just removed the little tab, it was held it by a small screw. The adaptor still fit pretty really tight, so the lens would tend to unscrew from the adaptor rather than having the lens+adaptor come out when I twisted the lens, so I took a dremel and filed down the K-mount side, then screwed the adaptor onto the lens real tight, and now the lens is basically a manual K-mount. Todd At 07:24 PM 4/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Now that I have acquired ttwo Vivitar Series 1 telephotos--the 135/2.3 and >the 200/3.0--I find myself annoyed by the M42 screwmount-to-K mount >adapters. When I set about to remove the lens, the adapter stays in the >Super Program body; the lens unscrews from the adapter. It's VERY annoying >to have to extract the adapter, with whatever tools I have available, so >that I can fit the body with another lens. (That is the idea of >interchangeable lenses, isn't it?) Last night I used a screwdriver, but I >realize this is a no-no. > >I had hoped that by using genuine Pentax-brand adapters I wouldn't face >this problem, a problem that I first experienced last year when using a >Samigon-brand adapter to fit an 85/1.8 screwmount lens to my Super Program. >The Samigon actually came with a little tool to extract the adapter. > >If I'm going to have this problem each time he removes the lens, I might as >well dedicate a body to it. If I decided to do that, I could have bought >these lenses in their multicoated versions in Minolta mount, or Canon, or >Olympus. The screwmount units--certainly the 200/3--appear to be >single-coated. > >I'm tempted to use Loc-Tite to more or less permanently keep each adapter >on the lens. > >Comments? Suggestions? > > >Paul Franklin Stregevsky > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: (Was: Fairy pics) (sexual innuendo removed)
The suggestion to visit websites and Sears and J.C. Penney was intended to get her to look at the full range of pricing and packages being offered. In doing so, she can see where she fits into the range. Rarely can someone set their prices without knowing what others are doing, and she must be fully aware of the competition. Keeping in mind the locale in which she will be working, of course. You can't charge 90210 prices if you live in 62221. :) You don't get much business setting your prices too high before you establish a reputation. I'd set my prices at the going rate for my community and then increase them when the referrals started rolling in. Referrals usually mean your customers' friends saw and liked your work The magic/art/creativity of your work will get you the name recognition you need to be successful but it doesn't come overnight, except in very rare cases of fantastic talent. From the few samples I've seen, so far, I'd say she has some talent, which can be developed, but there's a lot of work to be done and dues to be paid before she can expect to command top dollar. Len --- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Tom Rittenhouse > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: (Was: Fairy pics) (sexual innuendo removed) > > > You are right her work is only worth what people are > willing to > pay for it. However comparing her work to Sears and > JC Penny's > is what we are advising her not to do. Respect is very > important > in how the public views your work. > > You are aware, are you not, that most of us telling > her not to > low ball her work are, or have been, professional > photographers? > We have been there done that, and paid the price of learning > what > we are telling her. > > Your photography is worth what you think it is, > Tanya's is worth > a decent living. Of course she can not charge New York (or > Sidney) > prices where she is, but she does not need to be a > scab either. > --Tom > > > "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > > > Norm, > > > > What she is worth is what the customers are willing > to pay for her work, not > > what she (or we, for that matter) think that she is worth. > > > > There are lots of child photography studios with > web sites that have prices. > > There are also lots of stores, like Sears and JC > Penney, that do child > > portraits. I'd suggest that she look 'em up, price > her work accordingly, > > keeping her local market in mind, and set up a rate > schedule for each type > > of job (or package) she intends to offer. Then, > she needs to get the word > > out, advertise in other words. Put her best work > into a portfolio that she > > can show and see how it goes. It's not going to > happen over night. > > > > Len > > --- > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:39 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: > Fairy pics) > > > > > > > > > It just sounded like everyone was trying to > suggest to Tanya different > > > methods she can use to keep lowballing her prices > instead of > > > encouraging her > > > to charge what she's worth and doing so with a > clear conscience. > > > Norm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
screwmount adapters: how to keep them on?
Now that I have acquired ttwo Vivitar Series 1 telephotos--the 135/2.3 and the 200/3.0--I find myself annoyed by the M42 screwmount-to-K mount adapters. When I set about to remove the lens, the adapter stays in the Super Program body; the lens unscrews from the adapter. It's VERY annoying to have to extract the adapter, with whatever tools I have available, so that I can fit the body with another lens. (That is the idea of interchangeable lenses, isn't it?) Last night I used a screwdriver, but I realize this is a no-no. I had hoped that by using genuine Pentax-brand adapters I wouldn't face this problem, a problem that I first experienced last year when using a Samigon-brand adapter to fit an 85/1.8 screwmount lens to my Super Program. The Samigon actually came with a little tool to extract the adapter. If I'm going to have this problem each time he removes the lens, I might as well dedicate a body to it. If I decided to do that, I could have bought these lenses in their multicoated versions in Minolta mount, or Canon, or Olympus. The screwmount units--certainly the 200/3--appear to be single-coated. I'm tempted to use Loc-Tite to more or less permanently keep each adapter on the lens. Comments? Suggestions? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Copyright law
Yes, civilized is spelled with a z. Now why didn't my smell checker notice that? BTW, my spelling stinks, that is why I use a smell checker --Tom Bill Kane wrote: > > You're right, we aren't civilised, we're civilized . . . and civilized is a > word that is defined by the civilization that is judging, not the > civilization that is being judged . . . not exactly as black and white as > photography > > Bill > > aimcompute wrote: > > > Wow - I didn't know the U.S. was civilised. That's not what I see in the > > pictures... how long have you lived here? > > > > Tom C. > > > > From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Of course, outside the US the laws may be different, but > > > most civilised countries are signaturies of the inter- > > > national agreement. > > > > > > --Tom > > > > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
I just noticed something about my three SPs: On two of them, the markings go 400 800 ... 1600. On the third (serial number 1358162), the markings go 400 ... 1000 ... 1600. Click stops are in 1/3 steps on both varieties. The ones that say 800 are currently mounted on a tripod and covered by a QR, and I'm too lazy to check them out. Does anyone know when the change was introduced? Which came first? Why the change was made? What other changes occurred during the Super Program / Super A's manufacturing cycle? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: RE: Fairy pics
For my 1995 wedding, the wedding pro wanted something like $2000. Well, we're talking about a wedding comprising about 15 total people, counting the bride, groom, and their families. That was too rich for my blood. Not being aware that my request might be a big deal, I also asked whether I could have, or buy, the negatives, He said, "After 3 years, you can buy them from me for $150.00." His thinking, correctly I suppose, was that few couples would be patient enough to wait three years to make reprints. Well, on to Plan B: I approached an aspiring young photographer--age 17--and asked her to photograph the wedding for expenses plus $150. We would get a good rate, and she would get some experience for her portfolio. She was delighted by the offer but informed us, with regret, that she had an academic test to take that Sunday morning. On to Plan C: A friend told us of a woman who worked at a mall-based portrait studio who freelanced. The woman agreed to shoot our wedding for $250 plus expenses; I can't recall who came up with the $250, but the "plus expenses" was definitely my suggestion. "May I have the prints on Photo CD?" I asked. Certainly, she replied. (Picture CD had not yet been invented.) When she delivered the contact prints, she lent us the negatives so that we could order as many reprints as we liked, at any size we liked, bypassing her completely. The only constraint was that we would have to use a local lab so the negs couldn't get lost in the mail. We used a Kodak lab. The job took three months, because we ordered many of the frames in several sizes, and one of those sizes was 8 by 12, apparently an unusual request. Each size required a new "run" through the system. When the prints finally came back, we showed them to our photographer and returned the negatives. As a "tip" of sorts, I presented her with a video, taken by a friend of ours, that documented the photographer's entire outdoor portrait shoot of the bride, groom, and family. She was delighted, explaining that she had never been privileged to see herself at work. She planned to use our video to show others that she could work well with people. Tanya, you might consider doing the same. I was not out to deny anyone a living. I didn't begrudge the fee asked by the "real" wedding pro; I just couldn't afford him, and the small ceremony didn't warrant it. Our photographer used a 35mm SLR. I had led her to understand that flash would be unacceptable, so she came prepared to shoot in available light. But when the rabbi corrected me, "Of course, she can use flash," I quickly informed her, and she came with 200-speed film and an auxiliary flash mounted on a bracket. My only disappointment was that she did not use an auxiliary battery to quick-charge her flash, and hence she missed one or two nice shots while waiting for her flash to charge. "Tanya Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: O M G, now THAT is an insult to ANY photographer. To date, I have been considering (because they have all been paying for their own film/processing) my keeping the negs as my form of "payment" as I think that they are my most necessary learning tool. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Copyright law
You're right, we aren't civilised, we're civilized . . . and civilized is a word that is defined by the civilization that is judging, not the civilization that is being judged . . . not exactly as black and white as photography Bill aimcompute wrote: > Wow - I didn't know the U.S. was civilised. That's not what I see in the > pictures... how long have you lived here? > > Tom C. > > From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Of course, outside the US the laws may be different, but > > most civilised countries are signaturies of the inter- > > national agreement. > > > > --Tom > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations
Michel Adam wrote: > > This much I know: after the first time you look through the viewfinder > with a 15mm, nothing is ever the same. This much I can agree with. I always thought my 35 was wide, but when I got my hands on a 17mm . . . WOAH, now when I put on the 35 I think it must be one of my narowest lenses! (and I have a 100-500 zoom!) . . . BTW, I have a vivitar 17 manual focus for sale if anyone is interested. Illinois Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Happiness is...
... popping a few vitamin C pills with a nice cup of hot chocolate at 3 in the morning, after 2 hours on the ice shooting a few rolls of transparencies of the Aurora... and not a cloud in the sky! Now I have a cold... Michel - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations
This is a slippery slope. To get a 'fix' that last, I would recommend a 15mm, or maybe the Tamron or the Sigma 14mm/2.8. This much I know: after the first time you look through the viewfinder with a 15mm, nothing is ever the same. The 15 is not my favorite lens. Michel - Original Message - From: "Ed Dombek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations > Question for the group: > > I'm looking to purchase an ultra-wide angle lens for use with my ZX-5n. The Phoenix >AF 19-35mm f:3.5-4.5 seems to be in my budget range. Any comments on this particular lens or other recommendations? I'm looking to supplement my Pentax SMCP-FA 28-80mm f:3.5/5.6 and Pentax SMCP-FA 80-320mm f:4.5/5.6. > > Thanks in advance!!! > > -Ed > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Plus-X
Collin ... Kodak makes lots of developers. A typical, standard developer is D-76. "By the book" could indicate one of two, or possibly three, dilutions. However, since you're unable to give lots of detail, and neither Bill nor I can see the negs (are they thin? Are highlights blocked? How's shadow detail?) then I'd suggest increasing development time by 10% and see what the results are. Do not change the agitation pattern, the temp, or anything else. Just increase the time and, if an agitation cycle would fall in that increased time, then agitate. Do not use Acufine until you've resolved this situation. Jumping from developer to developer will not solve anything. BTW, did you print the negatives, or just view them? Negatives can surprise you. They may look flat, thin, or low in contrast, but they may print beautifully. Which then begs the question, what paper and paper grade are you using? What paper developer are you using? What time/temp are you using to make the prints? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > Per the inquiries from Shel & WW: In the Plus-X work I've done, development > was with the standard Kodak chemicals and by the book. That produces some > nice fine grain but also some low contrast. I'd like to improve that contrast > characteristic with same exposure setting. Normally I rated it at 125, > also by the book. > Would Accufine be a better developer for this purpose than the standard - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:33:32 -0700, John Francis wrote: > Bernie "I just sold some of my SLEC holdings for billions" Ecclestone > started off as a used car dealer. Actually, I think he started off as spawn of Satan, then got a promotion to car dealer. :-) TTYL, DougF PS. He is undoubtedly one of the most arrogant, cussedest people I've ever had the misfortune of encountering. But that's probably why F1 the business is thriving ... sometimes it takes a real hardcase to get the job done. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Additional comments to Tanya.
Many years ago, when I earned my living as a magazine writer and photographer, my 35mm arsenal consisted of a Fuji 801 screw mount body, a Vivitar 200/3.5, a Vivitar 20/3.5, a Mamiya 135/2.8, and a Fuji 50/1.4. I supplemented that with a Mamiya TLR with the early uncoated 80/2.8, and a Speed Graphic with a Wollensak 127/4.5. (I purchased the Speed Graphic for $100 from a guy who owned a junkyard). For lighting, I had a couple of Honeywell potato masher strobes with those big 500 volt batteries, and some reflectors. I shot numerous magazine covers, lots of centerspreads and hundreds of feature articles. I would never have bought any expensive equipment, because it would have tilted my whole investment/income picture. Eventually, I went to work for Hearst Magazines full time, and while they wouldn't buy me a lot of new equipment, they did pay for CLAs on all my old junk. They also flipped for a few extras, like a polaroid back for the Speed Graphic and a good incident/flash meter. Some of my contemporaries had boxes full of Nikon equipment, but they didn't have four kids to feed. That's all way in the past, and these days I rarely do any photography for pay, but I now own a couple of dozen very nice lenses and several fairly expensive camera. (Since I no longer work as a photographer, I can afford them. Incongruous? Yes. But true.) In other words, you're right. The amateur mindset is different. It's not a question of bad or good, just different. Conrad Samuels wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax Discussion Malling List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:03 AM > Subject: Additional comments to Tanya. > > > Most real pros only replace their equipment when it wears out, > > so are often using what most amateurs consider obsolete junk. > > Amateurs think cameras make pictures, don't fall into that > > trap. You make pictures, your camera is the tool you use > > to do that. > > --Tom > > Some while ago I sold an M42 lens to a chap who turned up here to see if it > fitted and worked on his camera. I was rather surprised to see that he > brought with him an old Zenit SLR, the type with a meter on top but no TLR > metering. He bought the lens (a Vivitar zoom) with great joy and went on > his way rejoicing. > > I suppose he saw a strange expression on my face so he said that he took > wedding photos on a part-time basis to supplement his income. He was quite > pleased with his results too and apparently in his community (which was > financially challenged) his work was in some demand. From what I know he is > by no means the only one of his kind. > > Whenever I read about all the equipment used by affluent society photogs I > tend to remember this chap and the many one never hears about. > > Conrad F. Samuels > Kirstenhof SA > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Copyright law
Wow - I didn't know the U.S. was civilised. That's not what I see in the pictures... how long have you lived here? Tom C. From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Of course, outside the US the laws may be different, but > most civilised countries are signaturies of the inter- > national agreement. > > --Tom > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Copyright law
WRONG Work for hire is when you are an employee of the people who you are working for. As a simple rule of thumb, if they are not paying you wages and taking out taxes you are not doing work for hire. Short of a written agreement otherwise that is the only way they could prove you were doing work for hire. And even then photography would almost need to be part of your job discription. Other than that the only way you can give up your copyright is by signing an agreement to do so. Of course, outside the US the laws may be different, but most civilised countries are signaturies of the inter- national agreement. --Tom William Robb wrote: > > While I am not an international copyright expert, my > understanding of copyright law is that in a work for hire > situation (which means if you get paid to take the pictures with > some sort of sitting fee), then the first owner of the copyright > is the person paying for the work, unless you have a clause in > your contract specifying otherwise. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SuperProgram question(s)
Hi, They are some really nice images, they have scanned very well also. Just out of curiosity what lenses, film and scanner did you use? Paul - Original Message - From: "Cyril MARION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: RE: SuperProgram question(s) > Hello, > > > Also, i know it is more modern camera's, but is the > > aperture priority mode and shutter priority modes > > stepless? Meaning could it use a shutter speed of > > 1/317th of a second if it felt that would give > > proper exposure. > > Yes, the SUPER PROGRAM displays pre-defined values of shutter speed but the > electronically controled shutter operates at the shutter speed which is > calcuulated by the light meter (i.e. 1/428th of a second for instance) I'll > show all pages of my manual in short time at www.cymweb.com/pentax/ but it's > very long... > > > and if you'd like to see some of the shots i've put through the > > SuperProgram, you can see them at www.auburn.edu/~roberrb/pics1.html > > Let me know how you like the shots too...all of the > > other pages are my older shot with the K1000 or KX. > > Very nice pictures; you know how to manage with deep of field (the piano, > the archway...) > > Bye, > > Cyril > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SuperProgram question(s)
I believe all the M auto cameras featured stepless shutter speeds. As for the aperture, my SP's LED typically tells me it can select a 5.7 aperture or other non-standard f-stop if needed. Steve S. -- http://people.mn.mediaone.net/sscott2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have recently acquired a SuperProgram, thanks to a fellow member of the > PDML who sold it to me. I have already put two rolls of film through it, and > love it. Truly a great camera. > I am used to the K family though, and I miss the match needle...i'm not > too sure about this "0+/-" stuff. Is there any way of knowing the exposure > closer than within about a one stop range (my assuming that 0+/- implies from > -.5 to +.5 of proper exposure)? > Also, i know it is more modern camera's, but is the aperture priority > mode and shutter priority modes stepless? Meaning could it use a shutter > speed of 1/317th of a second if it felt that would give proper exposure. > One more: the exposure compensation only has "stops" at 2X, 4X, 1/2X and > 1/4X, but are you limited to only those. Could you leave the knob at 1/2 or > even 1/3-2/3 between 1X and 2X. It would make since to me that you could, b/c > it is merely moving the ISO setting by a certain amount, and the ISO can be > adjusted at stops in between 100 and 200. (did my ramblings make any > sense...i'm definitely not a good communicator). Let me know if my thinking > is correct. > > and if you'd like to see some of the shots i've put through the > SuperProgram, you can see them at HREF="www.auburn.edu/~roberrb/pics1.html">www.auburn.edu/~roberrb/pics1.html > . Let me know how you like the shots too...all of the other pages are my > older shot with the K1000 or KX. > > brent > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: (Was: Fairy pics) (sexual innuendo removed)
You are right her work is only worth what people are willing to pay for it. However comparing her work to Sears and JC Penny's is what we are advising her not to do. Respect is very important in how the public views your work. You are aware, are you not, that most of us telling her not to low ball her work are, or have been, professional photographers? We have been there done that, and paid the price of learning what we are telling her. Your photography is worth what you think it is, Tanya's is worth a decent living. Of course she can not charge New York (or Sidney) prices where she is, but she does not need to be a scab either. --Tom "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > Norm, > > What she is worth is what the customers are willing to pay for her work, not > what she (or we, for that matter) think that she is worth. > > There are lots of child photography studios with web sites that have prices. > There are also lots of stores, like Sears and JC Penney, that do child > portraits. I'd suggest that she look 'em up, price her work accordingly, > keeping her local market in mind, and set up a rate schedule for each type > of job (or package) she intends to offer. Then, she needs to get the word > out, advertise in other words. Put her best work into a portfolio that she > can show and see how it goes. It's not going to happen over night. > > Len > --- > > > -Original Message- > > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:39 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics) > > > > > > It just sounded like everyone was trying to suggest to Tanya different > > methods she can use to keep lowballing her prices instead of > > encouraging her > > to charge what she's worth and doing so with a clear conscience. > > Norm > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Plus-X
HC110 is an adjustable, but usually quite high contrast, developer. I used it years ago for astrophography- with Plus-X. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12 1:47 PM >>> Per the inquiries from Shel & WW: In the Plus-X work I've done, development was with the standard Kodak chemicals and by the book. That produces some nice fine grain but also some low contrast. I'd like to improve that contrast characteristic with same exposure setting. Normally I rated it at 125, also by the book. Would Accufine be a better developer for this purpose than the standard Kodak chemistry? Collin *** Data Processing Consultation, Inc. Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance http://www.iol21.com/dpconsult [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Test was(Re: A rare Bellows )
Thanks Todd Live and learn.. Don - Original Message - From: "Todd Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Test was(Re: A rare Bellows ) > > Everything after the item number is random garbage eBay adds to their URLs > for no reason at all that I can tell. This should work just fine: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229518157 > > Todd > > > At 02:16 PM 4/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > >The URL still wraps. Do any or you have any suggestions? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: SuperProgram question(s)
Hello, > Also, i know it is more modern camera's, but is the > aperture priority mode and shutter priority modes > stepless? Meaning could it use a shutter speed of > 1/317th of a second if it felt that would give > proper exposure. Yes, the SUPER PROGRAM displays pre-defined values of shutter speed but the electronically controled shutter operates at the shutter speed which is calcuulated by the light meter (i.e. 1/428th of a second for instance) I'll show all pages of my manual in short time at www.cymweb.com/pentax/ but it's very long... > and if you'd like to see some of the shots i've put through the > SuperProgram, you can see them at www.auburn.edu/~roberrb/pics1.html > Let me know how you like the shots too...all of the > other pages are my older shot with the K1000 or KX. Very nice pictures; you know how to manage with deep of field (the piano, the archway...) Bye, Cyril - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
changed addys
> Just a little tip - People on this list prefer plain text messages but are > too polite except me to say so. Yours are coming up as HTML. > > Just click Format Plain text if you are using MS outlook - if using > something else then have a search through the menus to see if you can find > the option. Thanks Peter, I didnt realize aol was doing that. It is ok though I can get mail here at netzero too. So I just unsubscribed from the aol addy and subscribed to this one. Thanks for telling me, Rebecca Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
> Here we go again... Do you feel like sharing the reasons *why* you don't > like it, or what about it disappoints you, or are you satisfied with > coming across as a teenage flamer? As your post stands now, it's not very > useful to anyone thinking of buying an MZ-S. > > chris > I just want to say that the MZ-S is not the SLR I am stilll waiting for. I hope, even as the same cost, a body bettre than a Nikon F-100 or a EOS 3. Why ? I will answer "Why not !" (I o not want to say "for Pentax sake") I really prefer Pentax making better SLR that nowadays. But, I also understand that they may not wish to make such a SLR, because it does not fit the Pentax Traditional way of making SLR. Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I am very waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. I really understand people who are going to buy it, and I will not say that this is a mistake as far as it is really what each one wish. But I know now that this is not the SLR I wish to buy (except as the same price as a Nikon N80 because in this case, this means I encurage Pentax to sells its stuff as low price as it is possible) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My turn for a picture-of-the-day
"Matamoros, Cesar A." wrote: > > John, > > My co-worker was at this event. He loves the shot. He says that he > just has to be happy to be sitting in the stands using his imagination and > small digital camera. He is curious as to where you were. Basically trackside, right up against the first line of chainlink fencing, peering through a 0.5m x 1m photo-cutout. At this point the cars are maybe thirty feet away from me, just past turn five. If you want to see *close*, try this one from last year: http://motorsport.com/photos/cart/lb00/jf-2000-cart-lb413.jpg That's taken with a 21mm! The red line you can just see at the bottom of the picture is the rumble strip beside the concrete barrier at the apex of turn eleven (the final hairpin). Some drivers come much closer to the wall - so close that you could literally touch the car as it goes past. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz)
The Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 (S/N 4391349) was for many years "just" a Super Takumar with traditional Super Takumar coatings. But according to Gerjan van Oosten in "The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Guide http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/907653702X/diecastpro Asahi first used the SMC coating on the Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150. I had a much earlier version with regular coating (light amber). See: http://whitemetal.com/pentax/st_70~150_45/index.htm This one here is definitely SMC'd. I have another that is a little earlier than this one (serial number is a couple thousand lower) and the coating is also SMC. It's too bad this lens is so large - it really is quite nice in spite of that, and with SMC, I expect it will be very usable. I will try to put images up on my site when I can - right now I am behind on two deadlines for Krause and a book deadline besides. Pay first then play! The other one I have needs to have a sticky diaphragm taken care of. It is unmarked and still quite smooth other than the diaphragm, has no tripod ring, hood, case, caps OR attachment lens. So it will probably be sold fairly cheaply (I have sold the plain ST's in complete working order for between $100-$150) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz .etc > (ppro) > > happy as a pig in with my "new" ST 70~150 (late SMC version!) > - > They actually put out a "late" SMC coated version of the ST 70-150 zoom??, never seen nor heard of that one. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Plus-X
Per the inquiries from Shel & WW: In the Plus-X work I've done, development was with the standard Kodak chemicals and by the book. That produces some nice fine grain but also some low contrast. I'd like to improve that contrast characteristic with same exposure setting. Normally I rated it at 125, also by the book. Would Accufine be a better developer for this purpose than the standard Kodak chemistry? Collin *** Data Processing Consultation, Inc. Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance http://www.iol21.com/dpconsult [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz
Todd wrote: > Of course, as photographers we instantly see this kind of stuff, but when > Joe Sixpack picks up the brochure, does he see it or even care? He may not be aware, I agree - but he can tell the difference even if he's unaware that he is doing so. Succinct, non-jarring photos will be absorbed well, whereas mediocre ones will be noticed and identified as such - even by Joe Q. The brochure is the means of portraying an establishment's nature and it's state of "classiness", for lack of a better word. It is a "total image" of the establishment, often looked through far from the property. It doesn't cost any less to have poor photos printed in your brochure order than it does for good ones. The printing costs for large runs tend to minimize a $1000 cost differential in image sources. > The purpose of the brochure is to sell you a hotel room, so does bad photos > in the brochure sell less than excellent photos - if it makes no difference > then why fork out the cash? Because it does! If they are already decided to use your hotel, all is fine - no need for them to even see ad materials! But- when approaching your town and leafing through the vast arrays of ads and brochures of places to stay when they get there, you want them to look at *yours* from the many racked up in competition for their eyes! The "Motel 6 Crowd" will always pick the low-end on arrival anyway. > Keep in mind also a bad picture to us may seem like a really good > one to Joe Sixpack and his zoom P&S camera The management must cater to more than Joe Q. Most of these places make a good deal of their income from small conventions, meetings, retreats and the like. It is important to put forth a top-notch image to attract these large accounts. - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: St. Louis Camera Shops
If it is in St. Louis and it is colored red then it's a Cardinal and should be dealt with using appropriate measures. Collin (the Cub fan) (For those not understanding, this is Life ... err, Baseball) *** Data Processing Consultation, Inc. Providing Broad-Spectrum Business Solutions and Assistance http://www.iol21.com/dpconsult [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Camera Shops, Thanks
Many thanks for the tips about camera shops in St. Louis. I believe that I've privately thanked everyone who answered. If I missed someone, very sorry. This one's for you. I'm signing off until I get back. If I find something interesting, I'll let you all know. Best, John = John Edwin Mason Charlottesville, Virginia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations
Question for the group: I'm looking to purchase an ultra-wide angle lens for use with my ZX-5n. The Phoenix AF 19-35mm f:3.5-4.5 seems to be in my budget range. Any comments on this particular lens or other recommendations? I'm looking to supplement my Pentax SMCP-FA 28-80mm f:3.5/5.6 and Pentax SMCP-FA 80-320mm f:4.5/5.6. Thanks in advance!!! -Ed _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Provencher, Paul M. > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:31 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz > > > Thanks for the running commentary - glad to see I make sense to someone. > Must be the common thread of that M42 mount... > > Paul M. Provencher > (ppro) > > happy as a pig in with my "new" ST 70~150 (late SMC version!) > - > They actually put out a "late" SMC coated version of the ST 70-150 zoom??, never seen nor heard of that one. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re[2]: suggested student cameras?
Hi, if I remember correctly Helmut Newton was involved in the photography on that film. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, April 12, 2001, 6:56:59 PM, you wrote: > Check out the movie, "Eyes of Laura Mars," from the late seventies, I > think. Faye Dunaway plays a high fashion photographer who has a paychic > abilitly to "see" a murder as it is happening, through the murderer's > visual perspective. Tommy Lee Jones plays the detective assigned to protect > her and find the murderer. It's really cool to see a glitzy fashion shoot. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Test was(Re: A rare Bellows )
Everything after the item number is random garbage eBay adds to their URLs for no reason at all that I can tell. This should work just fine: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229518157 Todd At 02:16 PM 4/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >The URL still wraps. Do any or you have any suggestions? > >Don >- Original Message - >From: "Donald Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:01 PM >Subject: Re: Test was(Re: A rare Bellows ) > > >> It helps when you post the url again <-sheepish grin >> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229518157&r=0&t=0&sh >> owTutorial=0&ed=987627779&indexURL=0&rd=1 >> - Original Message - >> From: "Donald Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Additional comments to Tanya.
- Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discussion Malling List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: Additional comments to Tanya. > Most real pros only replace their equipment when it wears out, > so are often using what most amateurs consider obsolete junk. > Amateurs think cameras make pictures, don't fall into that > trap. You make pictures, your camera is the tool you use > to do that. > --Tom Some while ago I sold an M42 lens to a chap who turned up here to see if it fitted and worked on his camera. I was rather surprised to see that he brought with him an old Zenit SLR, the type with a meter on top but no TLR metering. He bought the lens (a Vivitar zoom) with great joy and went on his way rejoicing. I suppose he saw a strange expression on my face so he said that he took wedding photos on a part-time basis to supplement his income. He was quite pleased with his results too and apparently in his community (which was financially challenged) his work was in some demand. From what I know he is by no means the only one of his kind. Whenever I read about all the equipment used by affluent society photogs I tend to remember this chap and the many one never hears about. Conrad F. Samuels Kirstenhof SA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Blind or hide experience
You must have gone hunting here in Texas 8-) Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Blind or hide experience You might also want to try some of the hunting magazines. They also have some good articles, you know like, "How to Bludgeon a Deer to Death with a Long Neck Budweiser Bottle". Norm "Lewis, Gerald" wrote: > You might get some ideas from watching some of the hunting programs on > TV.cableespecially those who are hunting the North American turkey...a > particularly wiley bird. These guys become experts at blending in with > their environment while still shouldering a gunwhy not a camera. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Blind or hide experience
I knew someone from Texas would appreciate that :) Norm (who lived there quite a while) "Lewis, Gerald" wrote: > You must have gone hunting here in Texas 8-) > > Jerry in Houston > > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > You might also want to try some of the hunting magazines. They also have > some > good articles, you know like, "How to Bludgeon a Deer to Death with a Long > Neck Budweiser Bottle". > Norm > > "Lewis, Gerald" wrote: > > > You might get some ideas from watching some of the hunting programs on > > TV.cableespecially those who are hunting the North American turkey...a > > particularly wiley bird. These guys become experts at blending in with > > their environment while still shouldering a gunwhy not a camera. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
tom wrote: > > One more thing...I've had several people tell me that discounting makes > you appear, ah, cheap. As in used-car dealer cheap (sorry dad). Bernie "I just sold some of my SLEC holdings for billions" Ecclestone started off as a used car dealer. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 85/2M in Great Britain
If my notice of the lens caused that scramble, I apologize. I copied the data from the broweser and pasted it into my email message. If it has caused such scrambling before, I was unaware of it. I'll try to be careful and use "Paste-Simple." By the way, Bucky: Do you take your name from buckyballs, the new form of carbon discovered (created?) in the 80s and named for Buckminster Fuller because of its resemblance to his geodesic domes? Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:47:20 -0700 From: "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: 85/2M in Great Britain Well said! Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
135/2.8F Mint in Great Britain (160 Br. Pounds)
Let's see if this comes out better: 160 pounds (about $240?) MINT, MXV, 11 April 2001 http://www.mxv.co.uk/stock.htm Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Because "painting with broad brushes", i.e. generalization, pisses off lots of people, not just Americans. It's nothing one needs to "get over". It's a natural response. If you can't understand it, perhaps you missed the point. Len --- > -Original Message- > From: Lewis, Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:37 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Direct from Chasseur d'Images > > > Why do Americans always get so upset when we get dissed by another > country...WE are constantly dissing other cultures, etc > The French are > a favorite foile, followed by Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, > Africans, etcso > whats the problem? We often times deserve the criticism...as > do they at > times. WWII was almost 60 years agoget over it. > > Jerry in Houston - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Picture for Astrophotographers
mike wilson wrote: > > Hi, > > Nice pic for those who are interested in this sort of thing, > which will be all of us, given the subject. > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127.html Isn't that a great shot? I've been using it as wallpaper. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My turn for a picture-of-the-day
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:45:53 -0700, John Francis wrote: > > > > > I happened to be in the right place to grab this one > > > last Sunday at the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach > > > > > > http://reality.sgi.com/jfrancis/motorsport/wildride.jpg > > > > Great shot, John. Where were you? Turn two? No - that was turn five (diagonally across the parking structure). The T2/T3 area was even busier this year, because there were less photo holes cut in the fencing. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Black and White Photography - Filters
- Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" Subject: Re: Black and White Photography - Filters > Okay. > I'm getting a refreshed understanding of filters > myself these days. But my problem lies in another > area -- film and optimum contrast. > Particularly, I like the general appearance of > Plux-X, but not the softness. How does one > compensate for that softness in either chemical choice > or development time? More information please. Are you talking about a mushiness in the grain structure? An optical effect brought on by lower than optimal contrast? Thanks William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Blind or hide experience
You might get some ideas from watching some of the hunting programs on TV.cableespecially those who are hunting the North American turkey...a particularly wiley bird. These guys become experts at blending in with their environment while still shouldering a gunwhy not a camera. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: dave o'brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Blind or hide experience A scroll of mail from Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:03:09 +0200 Read it? y >Are there anyone with experience with the small blinds you basically just put over your head? Like Rue's Pocket Blind? Does it work? *boggle* Does this work on the theory that if you can't see it, it can't see you? dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Bob Blakely wrote: > > An article presented by one member subtlety demonstrating a not uncommon > attitude of many French toward Americans generally pissed me off. As I said > to one member who brought this up to me personally: > > "I'm sorry, ___. I should have held my tongue [regarding the defamatory > article]." Why hold your tongue? Why not simply bash that person as well? > The words of the article were totally unnecessary, but apparently > acceptable. Of course. In the eyes of many, it is quite ok to bash Americans. > I will, however, hold my tongue concerning anything of the like in the > future. No, please don't. That will make this a duller place. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Blind or hide experience
You might also want to try some of the hunting magazines. They also have some good articles, you know like, "How to Bludgeon a Deer to Death with a Long Neck Budweiser Bottle". Norm "Lewis, Gerald" wrote: > You might get some ideas from watching some of the hunting programs on > TV.cableespecially those who are hunting the North American turkey...a > particularly wiley bird. These guys become experts at blending in with > their environment while still shouldering a gunwhy not a camera. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fairy pics
I disagree to some extent, but my opinion might come off a little arrogant so bear with me... I do admit that when you take money to do a job for a client, you have to please them. And if you happen *not* to be very well known, regarded, etc, you may have to do work in a style that pleases your client but not yourself. Then photography indeed gets to be a little bit too much like work. On the other hand, if you cultivate a style, produce a recognizable body of work, and make yourself happy, you might starve happily. But if you have lodged yourself in a place where your style and body of work appeals to people who pay money to get it, you have the best of both worlds. This balance may be hard to strike in pure commercial work, but it goes to the question put forth here about "good clients" and how to recognize them. If you are working toward working full time as a photographer, but still have gainful employment in another place, don't take those jobs that would spoil your enjoyment of the craft. Don't shoot those shots that offend your taste or cramp your style. You may not reach your goal, but more people have, than one might imagine. I am sure that even those who are hired to "be themselves" from time to time shoot things they'd rather not. But by and large I think most truly great photographers regularly put their soul into their work. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
One more thing...I've had several people tell me that discounting makes you appear, ah, cheap. As in used-car dealer cheap (sorry dad). It was suggested to me that instead of trying to lower or discount prices in order to sign people up, I should offer freebies or incentives. So, to encourage people to get their print orders back to me more quickly, I tell them they can have a few extra 8x10's if they order within a month of receiving the proofs. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm no business guru. tv Norman Baugher wrote: > > It just sounded like everyone was trying to suggest to Tanya different > methods she can use to keep lowballing her prices instead of encouraging her > to charge what she's worth and doing so with a clear conscience. > Norm > > Rob Brigham wrote: > > > Well if its pedantic you want: > > > > OK we are not explicitly talking studio - anything in life that you pay > > for can have a discount applied under whatever regime you like. > > > > 'First job gets a discount' was just one suggestion, everyone knows that > > discounts are discretionary, subject to change over time, and only > > necessarily applicable in one instance. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 12 April 2001 13:29 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics) > > > > 1) we are not talking studio, and it wasn't mentioned in that context > > 2) the above quotes do not sound like "first job gets a discount" > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fairy pics
Hi, I am jumping in late but just wanted to reinforce what some folks said. When I studied photography, one of our instructors told us that, assuming technical competence and good business behavior, and of course getting the shots, it is a bad idea to undervalue your work, even from the beginning. I took it to heart but it wasn't for a year or so before I had to put his advice into practice. I found an insurance company that bought stock photos for a publication. I sent several photos on speculation for their review, after requesting and receiving their terms and guidelines. I was very pleased that they decided to use one of my shots for a color cover. It was a photo taken at night of a firefighter outlined by a burning grainery. To make a long story short, the check arrived and it was significantly less than the terms and guidelines promised. If it had been a couple dollars short I might have let it go. But they were several hundred dollars short so I called the person who had bought the work and called him on it. I politely and patiently referred him to the terms and guidelines and asked if there was some reason they hadn't stuck to it. No, the terms were right, he said. So I said, how about sending the rest of the money then? To which he replied (and this is almost a quote) "OK, it's not my money anyway". Right - it was my money. The check came and I cashed it and I have never looked back. I get requests from people to use my work. If they want to pay my going rates, and they are happy with "non-exclusive, one-time publication" rights. we do business. If they want to outright own the work or want it for free, we end our conversation without doing business. I have learned that people will pay what you expect them to pay, especially if your photography "works" for them. I suspect you have gotten over seeing your name in print, so it should be pretty easy to say "No" if you aren't getting compensation that meets your needs. And don't set the bar too low. My Mom drives me crazy because she sells her work (pottery, paintings, hand-painted books) for the cost of materials "to make more". She's in it for the fun, which is, I suppose, her choice. But she could buy so much more materials if she charged more. Also, people tend to place a value on your work that at least comes up to the value YOU place on it. If you are giving it away, people (in general) will not respect it as much if you haven't put a price on it that speaks to the quality. Sure, I am a capitalist, but I think the Fairy pics are great. You should mark them up enough to cover your time, and a little more to offset the cost of throwing cameras and tripods down cliffs (so to speak) :-) ppro - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hi from a Newbie!!
She has an AOL address, I don't think you can send plain text in the latest version... Norm Peter Smith wrote: > Just a little tip - People on this list prefer plain text messages but are > too polite except me to say so. Yours are coming up as HTML. > > Just click Format Plain text if you are using MS outlook - if using > something else then have a search through the menus to see if you can find > the option. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Blind or hide experience
A scroll of mail from Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:03:09 +0200 Read it? y >Are there anyone with experience with the small blinds you basically just put over >your head? Like Rue's Pocket Blind? Does it work? *boggle* Does this work on the theory that if you can't see it, it can't see you? dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Hi from a Newbie!!
Hi Rebecca and welcome to the group - beware though it can sometimes get a little heated. And don't post any pictures of yourself unless you want gifts on a regular basis - ask Tanya. Just a little tip - People on this list prefer plain text messages but are too polite except me to say so. Yours are coming up as HTML. Just click Format Plain text if you are using MS outlook - if using something else then have a search through the menus to see if you can find the option. Regards Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 April 2001 12:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hi from a Newbie!! Thanks everyone for the welcome! Rob, thanks for the link. When the kids get back to school next week I will try to get some of the ones that I took up on the web. So far I have only shot with color film, I am going to check on getting a couple of rolls of B&W for the next tourny. Artur, it is hard sometimes to predict what is coming next especially when they are sparring, but like you said I do know most of the ones I am shooting and I know their moves so that helps alot. Our whole family practices Taekwondo(ITA), it is something that we can all do together and have fun with. Paul, the film I was using was just a roll I had left over in the bag, it was fuji 400. And your right I was closer when my husband was doing his board breaking(this was at testing) and a little farther away when he was sparring. I have tried doing some shots without the flash a couple of weeks ago, with fuji 800 but those did not turn out to well. Although the building we were in was quite smaller then the gym. I had bought a roll of fuji 1600, I think that is what it was, but I ended up using that at my moms 70th birthday in a dark resturant, those turned out great. I am going to keep playing around with it. Our next tourny isnt until June but I can practice when we have classes a little. The room there is alot smaller then a gym but I have tried shooting there and I still need a lot of work at it. Tanya, I have seen the pics you have taken they are Beautiful!! Here's a question for ya'll, Tanya says that her Achiever only works on "manual" with some lenses and mine seems to only work on "auto focus". Why is this? Dan, I did use the same lens for all the shots. I was mainly using up a roll that I had in the camera bag, fuji 400. The lens was the one that came with the camera a 35mm-80mm with the 2X tele converter that I have. I know that I should have used a faster film but I was mainly just playing around some. Also with the tele converter I have to focus manually, I am guessing because of the lack of lighting it doesnt focus good indoors. Lasse, our uniforms are the white ones. I never thought about them influencing the metering. Although in these shots from Saturday I wasnt that close, but that is a good thought to keep in mind. I didnt use the Achiever 260 this time because the lens that I was using, along with the tele, seems to not want to focus in auto so I was focusing manually and I knew from experience that the Achiever would not flash in manual. I know a little about light compensating but not much. Actually not a whole lot at all. I can see there is a whole lot of this that I havent a clue about, like the second shutter sync. Is this where you set the tv at a slower speed? Thanks ya'll, I am going to take the kids out this weekend and try to get some outdoor shots. I think I will try that panty hose thing that Tanya was talking about and see how they turn out. Hopefully when the kids get back to school I will have time to get some of the pics that I have taken up on the web. I will post a link to em when I do. Thanks again, Rebecca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Why do Americans always get so upset when we get dissed by another country...WE are constantly dissing other cultures, etc The French are a favorite foile, followed by Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, Africans, etcso whats the problem? We often times deserve the criticism...as do they at times. WWII was almost 60 years agoget over it. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images An article presented by one member subtlety demonstrating a not uncommon attitude of many French toward Americans generally pissed me off. As I said to one member who brought this up to me personally: "I'm sorry, ___. I should have held my tongue [regarding the defamatory article]." The words of the article were totally unnecessary, but apparently acceptable. I will, however, hold my tongue concerning anything of the like in the future. Regards, Bob... Just getting the rules straight. From: "Peter Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cyril wrote: > > > I am, however, saddened that some have taken this as an > > opportunity to bash the French. > > Here here - totally unnecesary. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scanner question
I have never heard of a second version of this scanner. I got my Dual II and it did come with the film/slide holders. The APS holder though is an extra accessory. They might have put the price down to attract buyers and then charge extra on the holders. I'd call Minolta and check. You can find their phone number in their website www.minolta.com. Herbet. --- Ramesh Kumar_C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > I purchased ( online ) Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II > from > www.camerazone.com. > www.camerazone.com has charged me 408USD for scanner > and 30USD for > multiple film/slide holder. But the manufacturer's > manual says multiple > film/slide holder is not an accessory. > Sales guy had told me that multiple film/slide > holder is accessory. > > Now, When I called www.camerazone.com, they told > that Minolta Dimage Scan > Dual II comes in two version. > One version with single film/slide holder and other > version with multiple > film/slide holder. > Is it the case? > > They told that they have shipped me the second > version instead of "First > version" + accessory.. > > > Bye > Ramesh > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: (Was: Fairy pics) (sexual innuendo removed)
Now that's good advice. Norm "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > Norm, > > What she is worth is what the customers are willing to pay for her work, not > what she (or we, for that matter) think that she is worth. > > There are lots of child photography studios with web sites that have prices. > There are also lots of stores, like Sears and JC Penney, that do child > portraits. I'd suggest that she look 'em up, price her work accordingly, > keeping her local market in mind, and set up a rate schedule for each type > of job (or package) she intends to offer. Then, she needs to get the word > out, advertise in other words. Put her best work into a portfolio that she > can show and see how it goes. It's not going to happen over night. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: (Was: Fairy pics) (sexual innuendo removed)
Norm, What she is worth is what the customers are willing to pay for her work, not what she (or we, for that matter) think that she is worth. There are lots of child photography studios with web sites that have prices. There are also lots of stores, like Sears and JC Penney, that do child portraits. I'd suggest that she look 'em up, price her work accordingly, keeping her local market in mind, and set up a rate schedule for each type of job (or package) she intends to offer. Then, she needs to get the word out, advertise in other words. Put her best work into a portfolio that she can show and see how it goes. It's not going to happen over night. Len --- > -Original Message- > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics) > > > It just sounded like everyone was trying to suggest to Tanya different > methods she can use to keep lowballing her prices instead of > encouraging her > to charge what she's worth and doing so with a clear conscience. > Norm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual for Sekonic L-408?
maybe a little late but try sending an email through: http://www.sekonic.com/ask.html I requested a manual on an older one via pdf and was sent one w/in a couple of days. Delano > From: Michael Nosal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:12:59 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Manual for Sekonic L-408? > > At 08:06 AM 4/11/01 EDT, you wrote: >> I apologize in advance for writing off topic. I'm just not certain where to > look for a manual for a Sekonic L-408. Can anyone help? >> - > > Try: > http://www.sekonic.com/sek_orderbklts.html > > Mike Nosal > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Blind or hide experience
The wildlife won't be fooled. (except maybe Ostriches) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pål Jensen > Sent: 12 April 2001 11:03 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Blind or hide experience > > > Are there anyone with experience with the small blinds you > basically just put over your head? Like Rue's Pocket Blind? Does it work? > > Pål > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hi from a Newbie!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa³ / wrote: > Lasse, our uniforms are the white ones. I never thought about them > influencing the metering. Although in these shots from Saturday I wasnt that > close, but that is a good thought to keep in mind. I didnt use the Achiever > 260 this time because the lens that I was using, along with the tele, seems > to not want to focus in auto so I was focusing manually and I knew from > experience that the Achiever would not flash in manual. I know a little about > light compensating but not much. Actually not a whole lot at all. I can see > there is a whole lot of this that I havent a clue about, like the second > shutter sync. Is this where you set the tv at a slower speed? Bright areas of the scene, as well as dark ones, if being relatively large, tend to fool the camera's meters. The meters are calibrated to see the scene as 18% grey. This means that if the scene consists of large bright areas, in our case white uniforms, the meter will underexpose it - it will try to make the white uniforms 18% grey:) But not only you will get grey uniforms instead of nice, white ones. You will also get any potential darker areas of the scene totally black, without any details in them. And reversely, if there are large, dark areas in your scene, your meter will overexpose the scene to get that 18% grey. It means that any bright areas of the scene will be "burned" - white, without any details. So the point is to correct the exposure parameters set by your camera, either by manually adjusting aperture and shutter speed in reference to the meter's reading, or by pressing the Exposure Correction Button, if the camera has one. BTW, in fact, the only parameter you would want to correct is the shutter speed, since changing the aperture would influence the depth of field. The exact value of the correction, which should be applied, is the matter of experience and (in my opinion:)) taste. And, instead of constantly using pretty long terms, like "aperture opening", "shutter speed" and more related to the exposure parameters, latitude and so on, photographers use an abstract term "Exposure Value", or shortly - EV. As for the exposure correction, there are two direction of it: overexposing or "+" and underexposing or "-". If there's a risk of underexposing the scene by your camera, you should correct it in "+" (overexpose it), and reversely. Usually, the necessary correction isn't greater than +/- 2EV. Well, that's but a short beginning of the subject. Feel free to ask us, if you need further explanation. I also recommend you a following site: http://www.photo.net There you'll find a whole bunch of useful stuff you need to know. Greetz Artur -- = "Our time has come, get ready to fight. Sisters and brothers, in metal unite. The dreams that you had are about to come true. The voice of the Warrior is calling for you!" Hammerfall "The Way of the Warrior" --- Bezpieczne zakupy w sieci! < http://www.ws.pl/Reklama/m.html?s=3 > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Black and White Photography - Filters
What do you mean by softness? What camera and film format are you using? What developer at what dilution? What time/temp/agitation are you using. At what EV are you rating the film. Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > I'm getting a refreshed understanding of filters > myself these days. But my problem lies in another > area -- film and optimum contrast. > Particularly, I like the general appearance of > Plux-X, but not the softness. How does one > compensate for that softness in either chemical choice > or development time? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hood for 28-70/4AL
The NH-3 will be a better choice. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. Darren & Tara Sutherland wrote: > > The Nikon HN-2 works wonderfully. If you really want, just black out the > white Nikon writing and no one will ever know it's not Pentax...well maybe. > > Darren S. > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: April 10, 2001 5:11 AM > Subject: Hood for 28-70/4AL > > >Hi, > > > >I few weeks back there was a discussion on Nikon hoods to fit the Pentax > >FA28-70/4, I think it was Shel. I was wondering what the part number was > for > >this hood? as I neglected to write it down at the time. > > > >I assume the standard 52mm lense cap can be used with the hood? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
It's always good to do that so one can know how to properly break them . Norm Bob Blakely wrote: > Just getting the rules straight. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
An article presented by one member subtlety demonstrating a not uncommon attitude of many French toward Americans generally pissed me off. As I said to one member who brought this up to me personally: "I'm sorry, ___. I should have held my tongue [regarding the defamatory article]." The words of the article were totally unnecessary, but apparently acceptable. I will, however, hold my tongue concerning anything of the like in the future. Regards, Bob... Just getting the rules straight. From: "Peter Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cyril wrote: > > > I am, however, saddened that some have taken this as an > > opportunity to bash the French. > > Here here - totally unnecesary. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hood for 28-70/4AL
The Nikon HN-2 works wonderfully. If you really want, just black out the white Nikon writing and no one will ever know it's not Pentax...well maybe. Darren S. -Original Message- From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: April 10, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: Hood for 28-70/4AL >Hi, > >I few weeks back there was a discussion on Nikon hoods to fit the Pentax >FA28-70/4, I think it was Shel. I was wondering what the part number was for >this hood? as I neglected to write it down at the time. > >I assume the standard 52mm lense cap can be used with the hood? > >Thanks, >Paul Jones >_ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics)
It just sounded like everyone was trying to suggest to Tanya different methods she can use to keep lowballing her prices instead of encouraging her to charge what she's worth and doing so with a clear conscience. Norm Rob Brigham wrote: > Well if its pedantic you want: > > OK we are not explicitly talking studio - anything in life that you pay > for can have a discount applied under whatever regime you like. > > 'First job gets a discount' was just one suggestion, everyone knows that > discounts are discretionary, subject to change over time, and only > necessarily applicable in one instance. > > -Original Message- > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 April 2001 13:29 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What are you wearing tonight? (Was: Fairy pics) > > 1) we are not talking studio, and it wasn't mentioned in that context > 2) the above quotes do not sound like "first job gets a discount" > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Additional comments to Tanya.
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > > By the way, Tanya, I use ME Supers for my 35mm photography. > How dare you say that I ain't a professional because of that > . > > For several years I used one camera (medium format) with one > lens. Equipment is an amateur buggy-boo, to a pro a camera is > just a tool. It helps to have the right tool to do the job, > but a carpenter does not think he needs to replace his hammer > because someone brought our a new one. I did five years of solid, well-paid work with my recently deceased ME Super and 50mm f1.4. I had a few other lenses and never used them, as the 50 was much faster and all of my work was lower-light. Then one day some lenses wandered into the store where I was working, and BAM! Now I have lots of 'em. I wouldn't say that the quality of my work has gone up dramatically (and if it has gone up at all it's prolly not because of the lenses), but my shooting style has changed. My 50mm f1.4 took a nasty tumble over a year ago now, and I've been kinda pining for it of late, and I think that if and when I pick up an MZ-S I'll make my first AF lens a 50mm f1.4 and use it exclusively for at least a couple of weeks to see what happens. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
