date:20010502


"Moss Corner, Mosport, 1973" by Frank Theriault.
I love motorsports and motorsport photography, and this is an excellent
example of the art.  I'm not familiar with the Praktica LTL, but I
suspect that it's manual focus, which makes this shot all the more
commendable. Are you certain  that the shutter speed was1/250; it looks
like somthing in the neighborhood 1/60? However, I ask that on the
assumption that the car was not moving extremely fast at this point on
the race track. Achieving a smooth pan at optimum focus is something
that can only be learned through extensive practice. You apparently have
learned it. In terms of BW craftsmanship, I would cite the photo's nice
range of middle grays, along with almost white highlights and almost
black shadows. Your exposure and processing must have been just about
dead on. This one's a keeper for me. It goes in my files.
Paul Stenquist
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PUG Commentary, Chris Mitchell


"Crease Cam 1" by Chris Mitchell
This was among my favorite shots this month, and I don't know anything
about cricket. (I tried to watch it on TV when I was working in
Australia, but couldn't figure out what was going on.:-) 
In any case, I find this shot very compelling. The athletes face is
the only part of the body that is fully in focus and not motion blurred.
Thus his face is highlighted, and it displays intense determination and
concentration. The limbs, on the other hand, are in motion, and the
sense of power and muscular control are fully communicated. The framing
is very nice, the camera position, outstanding. Again, a very fine
photograph. Thanks for sharing it.
Paul Stenquist
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RE: PUG Commentary - John Mason's "Night Train"

2001-05-02 Thread aimcompute



Bob Walkden wrote 

>
> People get emotionally involved in their photographs, as we can see, and
> this means that their own judgement is not necessarily the best. This is
> something I've experienced myself quite a lot, and I personally value the
> emotional detachment that other people's opinions can bring to my work
> (although I reserve the right to disagree and stick to my
emotionally-based
> opinions). If somebody's work is virtually worthless (and I'm not
> suggesting that this is so in John's case) it can work like a bucket of
> cold water and stop people wasting their time going in the wrong
direction.
>

I agree.  In general I think I'm my own worst critic. I'd just prefer a
bucket of cool to lukewarm water.

>
> This is probably the nub of the thing, really. Each person submitting
their
> work has motives for doing it; each commentator/reviewer has _their_
> motives for doing it. Nobody, as far as I've seen, has explained what they
> want to get from a review of their work, and none of the reviewers has
said
> anything about what their criteria for reviewing a picture are.

I agree again.  I would suspect that in general people appreciate praise for
a job well done, suggestions on how it could be made better, but not a
tirade og negativism.  That's the way I feel.

My motives for contributing are:

1. I want to share something I think is beautiful with others.
2. I want to find out if I am the only person who values my work or not,
i.e.; do I demonstrate enough potential to eventually self-publish or get
published.
3. I want to find out if a particularshot/kind of shot has potential.
4. If there are ways to improve a shot I want to hear it so I can improve.

My motives for reviewing are:

1. I like to talk alot. :-)
2. A close review of others work will make be better.  I will see
elements/techniques I like and remember them.  I will see elements I dislike
and try to avoid them.
3. I want to praise outstanding photographs to let the photographer know I
think their work is worth something.
4. I think I can offer constructive comments on possible ways to improve if
need be.

>
> I agree that it's a very good gallery most months, and there are some
> exceptionally good and interesting photos this month, but my overall
> impression is that very few people are really trying hard to stretch
> themselves and move their photography up a notch or 2. This criticism is
> not restricted to the PUG, of course, but applies to most photographers,
> amateur or professional.

That's fair.

Tom C.


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Re: My PUG comments (for Paul Stenquist, Bill Casselberry, Gene Kane, Rob Studdert)

Jan van Wijk wrote:
> 
>
> One thing I find distracting in this image in the longer term is the unsharp flower 
>in
> the lower left corner. It draws my attention too much. I would prefer to have some 
>more DOF
> to have this flower sharp, or maybe to move the frame up a bit to get it out of the 
>frame.

Hi Jan,
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I intentionally limited depth of
field here to draw attention to the one central flower that stands above
the rest. In fact, this frame has more DOF than the others I shot.
However, I found that the color in the out-of-focus foreground flowers
tended to band and posterize when I scanned the images, so I compromised
and scanned this frame rather than those shot at a larger stop. Of
course I can't say with any certainty that the limited DOF works
aesthetically, but that was my intent. Again, thanks for taking the time
to write about my photograph.
Paul
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eBay Auctions

2001-05-02 Thread Gary L. Murphy


I have the below items for sale on eBay.

Pentax ME Super (Chrome)
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Pentax ME II Winder
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Later,
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Re: My PUG comments (for Paul Stenquist, Bill Casselberry, Gene Kane, Rob Studdert)

2001-05-02 Thread Rob Studdert

On 2 May 2001, at 21:05, Jan van Wijk wrote:

> OK, here are my commants for the may PUG, wich was again a remarkable 
> collection of images ...

> Rob Studdert, " Acoustics "
> 
> An unusual place for photography I guess! 
> But a very nice image capturing the "mood" amongst this group.
> Must have been difficult shooting under those conditions.
> Given the few sources of light available, the scene is remarkably well lit with
> most persons in group recognizable.
> Maybe I would crop a little from the left of the image, there is really nothing 
>there. 
> I am not sure the more square format would be still pleasing though ...
> Nice shot!

Hi Jan,

Thanks for the honest critique. I like to present less than perfect images 
particularly if I believe that there is a story to tell that would be forsaken in 
the pursuit of absolute sharpeness or perfect composition. Sometimes the 
environment or the dynamic nature of an event simply doesn't allow the 
photographer to be pedantic about such things.

The composition of this image is not optimum I agree, I did make some far 
more pleasing compositions in a vertical format however none of them had 
the set of expressions on the faces of the choristers like this one. Granted I 
could have cropped but I like to maintain the standard 35mm 2:3 aspect ratio 
if possible and to maintain the 2:3 ratio would have meant that I would have 
lost the flashlight reflections in the water (which I quite like).

Given the limited light available I was quite pleased with the outcome, many 
of the images that I made during the walk (about 24) were not usable due to 
excessive shake or very limited depth of field however there were a few 
images that made it all worth while. I suppose my main purpose in displaying 
images such as this on the PUG is to really encourage more conservative 
photographers to "give it a go". In other words don't write off any potential 
photographic opportunities because the situation looks too difficult, given the 
correct selection of equipment and media and a little bit of knowledge (that's 
what the PDML is for) it is often surprising what can be captured on film.

Some more shots from the same roll for those interested:

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/dissuedtunnel.jpg
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geroc/floodedtunnel.jpg.jpg

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: Subject: Re: temperature range of MZ-5N (OT)

2001-05-02 Thread Pdgsurvey

Interestingly enough, my ZX-5n and my ME Super, both had an operational life 
of approximately 20 minutes at -25  degrees F.

Had to take photos of product for an insurance investigation in an ice cream 
freezer.  Despite keeping the cameras against my body for warmth, they ceased 
to function after about 20 minutes.  Pictures turned out just fine.

Paul Gutkowski
Milwaukee, Wi.

Re: PUG Commentary - John Mason's "Night Train"

2001-05-02 Thread Bob Walkden


Hi,

From: Tanya & Russell Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Amongst other things, Tom wrote the following:

>Post a photo you feel good about and let me tell you it was amateurish,
>something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer, and of little or
>no
>significance.  Then tell me what it felt like"

>And I must say that I totally agree.  I think that we need to be
>encouraging people here,
>not deflating them.  I too, like that shot, and I too, am glad that Shel
>was not critiquing my
>shot, which, I gather from the lack of comments and also after comparing it
>to the other
>fantastic submissions, was not "up to scratch".  This was my first PUG and
>I can guarantee
>that had I received such harsh comments, I would not be submitting again.

Please don't feel that way. However harsh people may seem to you,
nobody wants you to leave or stop submitting. Whatever you submit is
worthwhile. The picture of your dog's eye is similar to a well-known
photo by the British photographer Jane Bown of a cow's eye, and proves
that you have a good eye! I, for 1, am looking forward to seeing
more of your work.

- Message from "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 1 May 2001

>if I make a submission and you like it, I like to hear it.
>if there's something I could have done better, I like to hear it.
>if your opinion is that it's virtually worthless, then what's the point in
>commenting? If as the photographer, I felt that way, I wouldn't have
chosen
>it.

People get emotionally involved in their photographs, as we can see, and
this means that their own judgement is not necessarily the best. This is
something I've experienced myself quite a lot, and I personally value the
emotional detachment that other people's opinions can bring to my work
(although I reserve the right to disagree and stick to my emotionally-based
opinions). If somebody's work is virtually worthless (and I'm not
suggesting that this is so in John's case) it can work like a bucket of
cold water and stop people wasting their time going in the wrong direction.

>> After all, what is the use of feedback if it
>> can only ever be praise? Surely a sincerely held, and well argued,
>> negative opinion is better than any number of insincere positive
>> opinions.

>You are arguing something I did not say. Feedback, both positive or
negative
>may be appropriate.  OTOH, if we look hard enough we can find or
manufacture
>something negative about practically anything.  Is that beneficial?
>Sometimes emphasizing the positive can be just as good or better, in it's
>effect on the hearer than anything else.  In part, the tone and/or content
>of the feedback depends on what its intended purpose is.

This is probably the nub of the thing, really. Each person submitting their
work has motives for doing it; each commentator/reviewer has _their_
motives for doing it. Nobody, as far as I've seen, has explained what they
want to get from a review of their work, and none of the reviewers has said
anything about what their criteria for reviewing a picture are.

>> Ah, but was that the photographer's intention? If so then the picture
>> was successful; if not then the picture has failed. Since we don't
>> know what the photographer's intention or motives were we cannot say
>> whether or not it is a successful picture.

>I disagree.  It may be, as you say, that the photo invokes emotions the
>photographer was not trying to convey depending on who looks at it.  If
the
>photo invokes an emotion different than what the photographer was
attempting
>to convey, why does that make it unsuccessful?  It simply means different
>people see different things.  If a photo can evoke many different feelings
>in many people, and the photographer did not intend those feelings, maybe
>it's more sucessful than he ever realized at the time he was taking it.

On something like this we can only state our positions, since it's a matter
of individual opinion and there's no right or wrong.

>>
>> Of course, each individual will react differently to any given
>> picture.  That may seem like a very over-the-top thing to
mention,
>but it makes
>> the point that as far as useful criticism goes, the feelings evoked in
>> the critic by the photograph are worthless.
>>
>> Criticism is very difficult; Shel is at least trying to go beyond the
>> rather bland and innocuous comments that most other people give. If
>> and when I next submit to the PUG I hereby request to be reviewed by
>> Shel. And he can take the gloves off :o)

>Post a photo you feel good about and let me tell you it was amateurish,
>something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer, and of little or
no
>significance.  Then tell me what it felt like.

Fortunately I'm a sufficiently good judge of my own work not to put myself
into that position. On the numerous occasions that I have put forward my
work for criticism I've made clear beforehand what it is I'm trying to find
out. I've had people skimming through my work - including natio

Subject: Re: temperature range of MZ-5N (OT)

2001-05-02 Thread Tanya & Russell Mayer


Todd wrote:

"- -10 to 0 degrees C isn't even cold.  The camera will be fine."

It's cold enough for me!  There's no use if my camera's work, but my fingers
are frozen!  Just for the record (and totally off topic, sorry!), in my town
the coldest is has gotten in the past ten years is 3 degrees Celcius!  Now
snow 'round these parts!  It is officially "autumn" now, and last night it
got down to a "freezing" 19 degrees Celcius, with a top expected today of 32
degrees.  Needless to say, I hate the cold!!

Frank, good luck in Nepal, I'll be thinking of you while I am sitting here
sweltering under the airconditioner or lying around in the pool!

fairy.x.


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PUG comments


For what it may be worth, I thought I would add some comments on my personal
favorites from the May PUG.

My clear favorite is Gianfranco Irlanda's "The Jewel."  It has an abstract beauty
about it, even before I realized what it was.  Then, I was awed by the creativity of
even conceiving of a photo of bubbles in a cup of coffee.  Add to the the technical
finesse of the shot, and it is a real wonder!

Other entries that I especially enjoyed:

Herbert Brasileiro' "Breathless Cathedral."  I've taken a lot of shots in a lot of
cathedrals over the years, and it is always difficult.  This is one of the best
executions of that problem that I have seen in quite a while.

Fairy's "Eye Spy."  The vivid details make this shot in my view, especially what I
believe is the reflection of the photographer in the dog's eye.

Alexey Tikhanov's "Daniil."  A stunning portrait in the style of the Dutch masters.

Carlos Royo's "Saddhu." A great study of character, with a feeling of human feeling
and a sense of timelessness and texture.

David Dixon's "Frog."  Great composition and detail.  I especially love the little
piece of pond weed on the frog's nose.

Patrick Hunt's "Seaoat."  I love the warm colors, the detail in the foreground
silhouette, and the arc of the plant across the frame.

Norman Baugher's "Serenity."  A good portrayal of the title theme.  I really like
the interesting shape of the tree in the upper right.

Ken Waller's "North Face of Denali."  Mountains are always difficult subject,
especially from a distance, and especially Denali.  One of my own favorite shots is
of Denali from a moving train, but this photo really captures the power and mystery
of that mountain for me.

R. K.'s "Cycas."  I love the color, the patterns, and the interesting details that
are all well captured in this shot.

Bill Casselberry's "Hummer."  A very artful rendition of a very tough subject.

I'm not sure my unlearned opinions add anything the the discussion, but I enjoyed
this month's gallery so much I thought I should toss in my two cents.

Dan



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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread Alexandre A. P. Suaide

Hello all,

I use Netscape for windows (yes, I am old fashioned, I don't use
explorer and outlook). I use it because  I have to manage to work
with windows, linux, sun osf, silicon graphics and HP-UX. Netscape
has versions for all these operating systems (thanks Netscape). 
I have no problems running it, but sometimes it gets crazy on
windows machines (maybe microsoft has a netscape detector). I
like it, it is easy to configure, to use, etc. People complain
about html mail because a lot of them (including me), when in
a situation where graphic environment is slow, use text base
mail client (as pine, or mail for linux). Microsoft seems to forget
that they are not alone in the world

Alex

Len Paris wrote:
> 
> Boz said:
> 
> > >My dearly-loved Unix accound is going away...  No
> > more elm...  I must join
> > >the world of Microsoft...  I too will start sending
> > e-mails with senseless
> > >attachments...
> 
> Oh, really?  I use Microsoft Outlook.  Am I sending e-mails with
> sensless attachments?  Or are they just plain text, as I think
> they are?
> 
> What I like best about Outlook is never having to care what kind
> of text other folks are sending.  HTML, RTF (Rich Text Format)
> or whatever.  That's why I never complain when folks use HTML
> for e-mail here, I just read it.  In fact, if the font is too
> small, one or two clicks of the mouse makes it larger.  Nice for
> old eyes.
> 
> Len
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OT: Gas Humor

2001-05-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl


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Re: b/w prints on color paper

2001-05-02 Thread tom

Kelvin Ang wrote:
> 
> I recently got interested in b/w photography and went
> on to shoot a few rolls of Tri-X. When the prints are
> out (I got them from labs since I don't do them
> myself), I'm surprised they are printed on Kodak
> Professional Paper. I thought it could be due to that
> the lab is trying to cut cost (I assume that proper
> b/w paper cost more), so I switch to another reputable
> lab in my area. 

Uh...Kodak makes b+w paper.

> They had theirs done on Fuji Crystal
> Archive paper, and if the negatives have already been
> developed, they could do it in half an hour...

OK, now that's weird.

> 
> Is this the trend these days, or are these labs all
> out to cheat novices like me?

B+W is expensive. If you go to lab and ask to get a roll of proofs,
they're probably going to run it through their mini-lab, and use a "b+w"
paper that works in color chemicals. This is the cheapest option if you
want actual 4x6 proofs of every neg, though it's still expensive.

These prints might last 3 years if you're lucky.

A better option might be to have them contact print the negs, and only
have them print the ones you like on real b+w paper.

Most labs are not set up to do good b+w these days...it just isn't
cost-effective for most of them.

tv

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list guy testing

2001-05-02 Thread Doug Brewer


don't you have anything better to do? Go read something relevant.
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RE: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread Len Paris


Boz said:

> >My dearly-loved Unix accound is going away...  No
> more elm...  I must join
> >the world of Microsoft...  I too will start sending
> e-mails with senseless
> >attachments...

Oh, really?  I use Microsoft Outlook.  Am I sending e-mails with
sensless attachments?  Or are they just plain text, as I think
they are?

What I like best about Outlook is never having to care what kind
of text other folks are sending.  HTML, RTF (Rich Text Format)
or whatever.  That's why I never complain when folks use HTML
for e-mail here, I just read it.  In fact, if the font is too
small, one or two clicks of the mouse makes it larger.  Nice for
old eyes.

Len
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RE: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread Len Paris


> You don't hawve to join the world of MS LookOut!,
> there are lots of good
> email clients out there for windows that aren't
> gaping security holes.  I
> recommend you look at Eudora.
>
> Todd
>

Pegasus is a pretty good e-mail client and it's free.  Free
Agent should work pretty well as an e-mail client, as well as a
usenet newsreader and it's free too.

There are a lot of alternatives.  I use Outlook because I like
it.  It has never caused me any problems and I've never been
bothered by worms or virii because I take the necessary
precautions.

Len
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RE: Subject: Re: Re[2]: PUG Commentary - starting to get OT?

2001-05-02 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]


Bucky wrote, in response to my earlier comments:
> Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  The expression of opinion does not
> necessarily equate to expertise.

>> I really like a lot of Shel's work, and I suspect he's got a fair amount
>> of formal artistic training and has seen a tremendous number of very
>> good photographs (and perhaps an even larger number of not-so-
>> good photographs) against which to compare others' works.


Yes Bucky, you're quite right.  Certainly is a big difference between having
an opinion and having expertise.  Actually, I think I used the term
"experienced" in my earlier post, and there's likewise a big difference
between having experience and having expertise.

Nonetheless, some folks on our list -- by virtue of their familiarity with
perhaps several thousand very good images -- have a large mental database
against which to evaluate new images they see.  Maybe they've even
categorized in their minds what artistic elements comprise a memorable image
of a particular subject.  Perhaps what looks to me like a totally new and
different way of capturing an image of a sunset, for example, will remind a
more experienced viewer of photographs of 100 similar images they've seen
before.  I can always tell the viewer what I was trying to capture, or what
I believe I captured serendipitously.  I can certainly enjoy my picture
without any knowledge of these 100 or so other images, but I'm also curious.
Have I really captured something truly new and different, or is this an idea
that's been captured before in a number of ways, perhaps with greater
impact?  Is there a technical detail or two that I overlooked, or that I'm
unaware of, that could have increased the artistic impact of my image?  Did
the reviewer get something from my image that was entirely different from
what I had ever intended?  Does the reviewer typically *expect* to get some
sort of impact from an image that was never my intention to capture?  If
he/she can give me some well thought out and precisely worded answers to
these questions, I feel like I've learned something.  Now I'll admit that if
the comments I get are more on the order of, "Peifer, you ham-fisted hack!
My pet rock could have taken a better picture!!", I probably won't feel too
good about it.  However, I try to take this all in stride, laugh it off, and
chalk it up to one of three things: (i) the reviewer is having a bad day;
(ii) the reviewer simply isn't interested in pictures of sunsets, no mater
how wonderful they are; or (iii) the reviewer wouldn't recognize a good
picture of a sunset if it bit him/her in the arse.  :-)  As John Mason said
in his earlier post today, you sometimes need thick skin for these sorts of
things.  I hope nobody gets discouraged from contributing to the PUG on
account of anyone's critique.

That said, I think I like John Mason's "Night Train" for two reasons.
First, it's stimulated a lot of what I believe is some useful discussion on
the value of critiques.  Second, after seeing "Night Train" in the subject
line of so many e-mails today, I'm reminded of the James Brown song of the
same name from many, many years ago.  Dammit, I can't get that saxophone out
of my head now!  Good thing I'm a James Brown fan.  :-)

More later,

Bill Peifer
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My PUG comments (for Paul Stenquist, Bill Casselberry, Gene Kane, Rob Studdert)

2001-05-02 Thread Jan van Wijk


OK, here are my commants for the may PUG, wich was again a remarkable 
collection of images ...


Paul Stenquist, " April Morning "

Well, this is my kind of picture! 
I like the way you can see the sun almost shining through the delicate leaves of the 
flowers.
Also, the thin green gras make a nice contrast to the yellow.
The sharpness is fine for most of the flowers, and fades away to the background,  nice 
bokeh.
One thing I find distracting in this image in the longer term is the unsharp flower in
the lower left corner. It draws my attention too much. I would prefer to have some 
more DOF
to have this flower sharp, or maybe to move the frame up a bit to get it out of the 
frame.
I guess an unsharp flower in the background would be less distracting.



Bill Casselberry, " Hummer "

Another nature picture, now including a hard to catch bird too.
It must be quite difficult to get enough DOF to get the flowers sharp, and still
use a fast enough shutter-time to freeze the birds motion ...
I like the overall picture, but there are two things that could have been better I 
think:
1) There is no real "main subject" I think, the hummer is a bit too small so it doesn't
catch attention right away. (also the wings are almost invisible at this point)
It would take a lot of patience and shots (and getting closer ?) to correct this 
though,
so I realize that was probably not an option at the time ...
2) The big light triangle at the upper right corner is distracting.
That probably would have been solved by a small change in camara position ...
I DO realize it is very hard to notice those little distracting thing on the edges 
while
you are litteraly focusing on a fast mover like the hummer.
You could make it less distracting by cropping the top off a bit as well I guess.
Still, a good shot!


Gene Kane, " Tree "

I nice peacefull image, it probably looks even more impressive in larger format!
Some parts of the tree seem to be pure silhouettes while most parts show a
lot of detail and grades of gray. I am wondering if that comes from the scanning?
The lower left area in the image doesn't add to the overall image, it is 'just a bush'
with a lot of detail that takes away attention from the tree ...
Another thing that probably comes from scanning is the border arround the picture
as it now shows on the PUG pages, there is both an unevenly sized small black
border and a wider white border. I don't like the combined effect of those.
Again, that is probably not in your print at all ...



Rob Studdert, " Acoustics "

An unusual place for photography I guess! 
But a very nice image capturing the "mood" amongst this group.
Must have been difficult shooting under those conditions.
Given the few sources of light available, the scene is remarkably well lit with
most persons in group recognizable.
Maybe I would crop a little from the left of the image, there is really nothing there. 
I am not sure the more square format would be still pleasing though ...
Nice shot!

Regards, JvW
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Vs: thinking about getting MZ-5N, but have a lot of manual lenses

2001-05-02 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Actually it is the other way round. With A lenses you have program AE, shutter 
priority AE (both with full readouts) and aperture priority AE and metered manual 
(without aperture shown in the viewfinder). With non-A lenses you have aperture 
priority AE and metered manual (but the aperture will is not shown in the viewfinder).
The combination of MZ-5n and 3.5/35-105 SMC A works very well - with focus 
confirmation.
All the best!
Raimo
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Lähettäjä: Gerald Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Päivä: 02. toukokuuta 2001 20:13
Aihe: Re: thinking about getting MZ-5N, but have a lot of manual lenses

>On Wed, 2 May 2001, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>> On Wed 2001-05-02 (11:23), Gerald Wang wrote:
>> > Your manual focus lenses will work nicely with the MZ-5n. With the 
>> > exception of the A35-105, you will give up multisegment metering,
>> > shutter priority AE and Program AE, however you can still use the
>> > aperture priority AE, manual exposure, spot metering, and
>> > center-weighted metering. 
>>
>> What's the difference between the A 35-105 and the other lenses,
>> concerning the mentionned metering, shutter and priority?
>
>The "A" lenses have an auto aperture setting (indicated by an "A" on the
>aperture ring) - the M and orignal K series lenses lack this. With lenses
>that lack the A setting, you won't be able to take advantage of the
>camera's auto aperture modes (aperture AE and program AE). However, you
>can still use shutter priority AE and metered manual mode (like a
>traditional manual body). The multisegment metering is also unavailable
>with non-A lenses however I prefer to use spot and center-weighted
>metering (which I am used to from using manual bodies).
>
>> I got the MZ-5N this week and tried it both with 50/1.7 and 35-105, but
>> did not see special problems yet?
>
>You won't notice any problems - you'll just be unable to use some of the
>modes that are described in the manual for your camera, that's all.
>
>I hope this helps,
>
>Gerald
>
>

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Re: AF280 T flash replacement

2001-05-02 Thread Nicholas Wright

Yes, I know that is still on their website. It is also
still listed in the literature that they send out on
the camera bodies. But... the repair guy called to get
the part and this is what they told him... Oh well.
With used af500ftz's going for $195 I'd much rather
have that model. Many more features that I could use.
:) Thanks.

Nick

--- Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The AF280T is still listed on Pentax USA's web.
> 
>
http://www.pentax.com/products/accessories/accessory.cfm?accessoryType=Flashes
> 
> Regards,
> Bob...
> ---
> "In the carboniferous epoch
> we were promised perpetual peace.
> They swore if we gave up our weapons
> that the wars of the tribes would cease.
> But when we disarmed they sold us,
> and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
> And the gods of the copybook headings said,
> 'Stick to the devil you know.' "
> --Rudyard Kipling
>  
> From: "helen davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > Nick,
> > Now that I've learned that the AF280T flash is no
> > longer being manufactured, I'm going to be more
> > protective of mine. May even acquire a second, in
> > case.
> > Actually, I see this flash advertised with some
> > frequency (new and used) in various photo
> magazines.
> > An example: B&H $149 new (May 2001 issue).
> 
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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread John Francis

Todd Stanley wrote:
> 
> You don't hawve to join the world of MS LookOut!, there are lots of good
> email clients out there for windows that aren't gaping security holes.  I
> recommend you look at Eudora.

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OT: A camera funny

2001-05-02 Thread Mark Dalal


To The List,

I was surfing through Stan Halpin's website (contemplating the purchase of a
couple of lenses) when I came across this amusing typo:

>Bill Cassleblad - . . . it is a very good lens as far as I can >tell. . .

Uh, Mr. Cassleblad, is there something we should know about??? 

Mark Dalaleiflex


 

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Re: Participate in research project!

2001-05-02 Thread Bob Blakely


I increased my font size. This worked. Now I have returned the font to the size I had
before and which works on all other web pages that I view.

Thank you.

Regards,
Bob...
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we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling

- Original Message -
From: "Provencher, Paul M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Participate in research project!


> Not sure if you are kidding or not - I found the font to be of normal size.
> But you can always change your font size temporarily in your browser to make
> it larger and easier to read.
>
> ppro
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Participate in research project!
>
>
> The questionnaire's font is of insufficient quality to be read. I have great
> difficulty
> making out even a few of the words, let alone the questions. If you have a
> survey, it has
> to be readable. I have no idea what this is about because I can't read it.
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
> ---
> "In the carboniferous epoch
> we were promised perpetual peace.
> They swore if we gave up our weapons
> that the wars of the tribes would cease.
> But when we disarmed they sold us,
> and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
> And the gods of the copybook headings said,
> 'Stick to the devil you know.' "
> --Rudyard Kipling
>
> From: "Christensen Anders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Participate in research project!
> >
> > The Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration is
> conducting
> > several research projects on consumer's brand relationships. By answering
> an
> > eight-minute questionnaire on your experience with Pentax products, you
> will
> > help us gain a better understanding of the depth and complexity in
> > consumer-brand ties.
> >
> > Participants in the questionnaire will take part in a drawing on the
> > following prizes:
> >
> > : 2 x US $250 worth gift certificate at Amazon.com [Amazon.com is
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> >
> > To participate - go to: http://www.conatio.no/index.php?prod_id=39
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> > Note! Our research is independent from any manufacturer or commercial
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Re: AF280 T flash replacement

2001-05-02 Thread Bob Blakely


The AF280T is still listed on Pentax USA's web.

http://www.pentax.com/products/accessories/accessory.cfm?accessoryType=Flashes

Regards,
Bob...
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we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling
 
From: "helen davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Nick,
> Now that I've learned that the AF280T flash is no
> longer being manufactured, I'm going to be more
> protective of mine. May even acquire a second, in
> case.
> Actually, I see this flash advertised with some
> frequency (new and used) in various photo magazines.
> An example: B&H $149 new (May 2001 issue).


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RE: Participate in research project!



I found the font to be smaller than most websites, but I didn't find any
problems reading it.  If you have a smaller monitor or are using a high
resolution I could see problems.

Todd


At 02:10 PM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Not sure if you are kidding or not - I found the font to be of normal size.
>But you can always change your font size temporarily in your browser to make
>it larger and easier to read.
>
>ppro
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Participate in research project!
>
>
>The questionnaire's font is of insufficient quality to be read. I have great
>difficulty
>making out even a few of the words, let alone the questions. If you have a
>survey, it has
>to be readable. I have no idea what this is about because I can't read it.
>
>Regards,
>Bob...
>---
>"In the carboniferous epoch
>we were promised perpetual peace.
>They swore if we gave up our weapons
>that the wars of the tribes would cease.
>But when we disarmed they sold us,
>and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
>And the gods of the copybook headings said,
>'Stick to the devil you know.' "
>--Rudyard Kipling
>
>From: "Christensen Anders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> Participate in research project!
>>
>> The Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration is
>conducting
>> several research projects on consumer's brand relationships. By answering
>an
>> eight-minute questionnaire on your experience with Pentax products, you
>will
>> help us gain a better understanding of the depth and complexity in
>> consumer-brand ties.
>>
>> Participants in the questionnaire will take part in a drawing on the
>> following prizes:
>>
>> : 2 x US $250 worth gift certificate at Amazon.com [Amazon.com is
>optional]
>> : 20 x US $15 worth gift certificate at Amazon.com [Amazon.com is
>optional]
>>
>> To participate - go to: http://www.conatio.no/index.php?prod_id=39
>>
>> Note! Our research is independent from any manufacturer or commercial
>> company. All data and findings based on this survey will be of academic
>use
>> only.

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Re: b/w prints on color paper



Kodak PC Polycontrast III says "Kodak Professonial Paper" on the back, ore
you sure it's not B&W paper?

Todd

At 11:10 PM 5/2/01 +0800, you wrote:
>I recently got interested in b/w photography and went
>on to shoot a few rolls of Tri-X. When the prints are
>out (I got them from labs since I don't do them
>myself), I'm surprised they are printed on Kodak
>Professional Paper. I thought it could be due to that
>the lab is trying to cut cost (I assume that proper
>b/w paper cost more), so I switch to another reputable
>lab in my area. They had theirs done on Fuji Crystal
>Archive paper, and if the negatives have already been
>developed, they could do it in half an hour...
>
>Is this the trend these days, or are these labs all
>out to cheat novices like me?
>
>Kelvin
>

>
>
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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address



You don't hawve to join the world of MS LookOut!, there are lots of good
email clients out there for windows that aren't gaping security holes.  I
recommend you look at Eudora.

Todd

At 09:14 AM 5/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Recently Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> 
>> >My dearly-loved Unix accound is going away...  No more elm...  I must join
>> >the world of Microsoft...  I too will start sending e-mails with senseless
>> >attachments...
>> 
>> Boz, for Finagle's sake, it doesn't need to be like that! There *is* an 
>> alternative...
>
>Well, I am looking for alternatives.  I own a Windows-based machine from
>which until now I used for telnetng to my University account (which should
>have expired a lng time ago).  Now that this account is gone, I have to
>either:
>
>1. Run my own Linux machine (I don't have time for setting it up and
>maintaining it)
>2. Buy a Macintosh (I don't have the money or place for two machines)
>3. Get a payed Unix account (I am willing to do that, but know of noone who
>offers such a service in Germany).
>
>Have I overlooked somehting?
>
>Boz
>

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Re: temperature range of MZ-5N

-10 to 0 degrees C isn't even cold.  The camera will be fine.

Todd

At 01:25 PM 5/2/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>this autumn I'll be going to Nepal and I'll be climbing up to Kala Patar
>(5500m/18000ft high) with expected temperatures around
>-10 to 0 degrees Celsius.
>Anyone know if the MZ-5N will work at these temperatures?
>I also have an MX, maybe its save to take that just in case.
>
>Frank
>

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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

Recently Chris Brogden wrote:
> 
> There's always web-based mail.  Purpleturtle.com, for example, is
> structured like hotmail but they donate 20% of their advertising revenue
> to sea turtle conservation.  I'm sure there's other good ones out there,
> too.

Well, at the very minimum I need a way of donloading all received mails
with a single action, then work out the answers off-line, and send all
replies again with a single action.  Basically, an IMAP or POP3 account,
like Netscape mail.  This I already have with phred.org, the site that
hosts the KMP.

But if I were to lose that account, I don't think that the web-based mail
providers provided IMAP or POP3.  Is there such a provider in Germany?  I
need to catch up on the topic...

Anyhow, I mourn the loss of the purdue.edu account.

Cheers,
Boz

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Re: SMC-K Pentax 105mm f/2.8

2001-05-02 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 2, 2001 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: SMC-K Pentax 105mm f/2.8

> That looked to be just the lens for $450. At least that's how
I read it.

Right you are. It's still a great lens. I don't know if they are
worth that much. I paid 500 bucks (Can) for mine, and have seen
them for as much as 600US at B&H used and KEH.
William Robb

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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread Chris Brogden

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:

> 1. Run my own Linux machine (I don't have time for setting it up and
> maintaining it)
> 2. Buy a Macintosh (I don't have the money or place for two machines)
> 3. Get a payed Unix account (I am willing to do that, but know of noone who
> offers such a service in Germany).
> 
> Have I overlooked somehting?

There's always web-based mail.  Purpleturtle.com, for example, is
structured like hotmail but they donate 20% of their advertising revenue
to sea turtle conservation.  I'm sure there's other good ones out there,
too.

chris

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thinking about getting MZ-5N, but have a lot of manual lenses

2001-05-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl


Since you've got the A35-105,
perhaps add a 24/2AL and a FA50/1.4.
Then send me the others.  I'll take good care of them. ;^)

Collin


Frank wrote:

Hi, I'm thinking about getting an MZ-5N,
but I have a nice collection of manual lenses:
Pentax MX
K 28mm f3.5
M 50mm f1.7
M 100mm f4.0 macro
K 135mm f2.5
A 35-105mm f3.5
What would be a nice lens to get with the MZ-5N?
The standard zooms like 28-70 or 35-80 overlap with the lenses I have, so ???

bye,
Frank

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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

Recently Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
> >My dearly-loved Unix accound is going away...  No more elm...  I must join
> >the world of Microsoft...  I too will start sending e-mails with senseless
> >attachments...
> 
> Boz, for Finagle's sake, it doesn't need to be like that! There *is* an 
> alternative...

Well, I am looking for alternatives.  I own a Windows-based machine from
which until now I used for telnetng to my University account (which should
have expired a lng time ago).  Now that this account is gone, I have to
either:

1. Run my own Linux machine (I don't have time for setting it up and
maintaining it)
2. Buy a Macintosh (I don't have the money or place for two machines)
3. Get a payed Unix account (I am willing to do that, but know of noone who
offers such a service in Germany).

Have I overlooked somehting?

Boz

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Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address

2001-05-02 Thread Steve Cottrell



>My dearly-loved Unix accound is going away...  No more elm...  I must join
>the world of Microsoft...  I too will start sending e-mails with senseless
>attachments...

Boz, for Finagle's sake, it doesn't need to be like that! There *is* an 
alternative...

Cotty

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Re: temperature range of MZ-5N

2001-05-02 Thread Alin Flaider



   Hi Frank, I've been using the MZ-5n at -10 Celsius with no problems
at all, autofocus and even integrated flash comprised. What I strongly
suggest are a couple of lithium spares - battery life more than halves
at cold. I also advise against the alkaline AAs as they drop very
quickly.

   Servus, Alin

Frank wrote:

FW> this autumn I'll be going to Nepal and I'll be climbing up to Kala Patar
FW> (5500m/18000ft high) with expected temperatures around
FW> -10 to 0 degrees Celsius.
FW> Anyone know if the MZ-5N will work at these temperatures?
FW> I also have an MX, maybe its save to take that just in case.


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2001-05-02 Thread Aaron Reynolds




Norman Baugher wrote:

> 

No prob, I'm just an Agfa pimp. ;)

-Aaron
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Re: May PUG

Bob Walkden wrote:

> I'd like to congratulate Dan on seeing that shot. I've walked past it
> a thousand times and stupidly never seen it - a case of familiarity
> breeding blindness, perhaps.
> As for the perspective, well you'd need a much longer lens to bring
> the clock tower further forward, you'd also need to be a little higher
> up to bring them into a better balance, but unfortunately there's a
> large building (County Hall) right behind where Dan was standing, and
> it's pretty much impossible, I think.
>

Bob:

Thanks for your comments.  There are all right on.
I was there to see the aquarium (One of my passions), ans didn't bring my
longer lens.  It turned out to be a school holiday (mid term?), so the
aquarium was mobbed with kids.  Then I noticed the Dali exhibit, and we
decided to take it in rather than waiting in the long line for the
aquarium.  When we came out of the exhibit, the clock sculpture was staring
me in the face, but there were electic wires in the way.  While moving
around to minimize the wires (which I eventually took out in photoshop), I
noticed "Big Ben"  and framed the shot.  It was drizzling and a bit hazy, so
the tower isn't as clear (or as large) as I would have liked.  I actually
turned around to see if I could get higher, but that was not possible
because of County Hall.  I think i would have missed the shot if I was not
just coming out of the Dali exhibit and therefore in the right spot.

Thanks again for your comments.

Dan
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Re: "The Jewel" (May PUG)

"D. Glenn Arthur Jr." wrote:

>  when I hit "The Jewel" I just had to stop and stare, and stare some
> more,
> read the accompanying text, look away, stare again, and leave it
> sitting there on my screen for a while as I go do other things and
> then come back to my computer.

I agree with the high praise this shot is receiving.  When I stared into
my cup of black coffee this morning and saw a few bubbles where
Gianfranco had found jewels, I knew what the difference is between a
hack like me and a real photographer!

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Re: May PUG

John Francis wrote:

> Dan Motyola: Different Times.   Is a different perspective achievable?
> I'd like to try and make the clock tower a little larger in the frame,
> by using a longer focal length from a bit further back (and a bit
> higher off the ground).   I don't know if that's possible, though.

John:

Thanks for your comments.  Good constructive criticism is what I like in our
PUG discussions.  For hacks like me, its more important to hear what could have
made the picture better than to hear praise for its good points.

As I noted in my reply to Bob, I was planning on taking shots in the acquarium,
and didn't have a longer lens, nor could I get higher or further back.  I spent
most of my energy trying to eliminate electric wires, which were eventually
taken out in PhotoShop.  This is one of those shots that I like even though I
realize it has a number of defects, because it recreates the feeling I had at
the time looking at the two clocks and the humorous effect they created.

Thanks again for your comments.

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new FA 24-90 lens

2001-05-02 Thread Frank Wajer


Hi,

anyone test the new 24-90 lens yet?

bye,

Frank

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re: hi all!

2001-05-02 Thread Pat White




First, what lighting look are you after?  Lots of soft lights are 
great for a studio look, but most fashion pix are journalism-style, with 
on-camera flash.  A simple set-up that has worked for me is to use a big 
piece of paper (8 1/2 by 11) and rubberband it to your flash with the tilt head 
pointing upward.  If you bend the top few inches of the paper forward, most 
of the light is directed forward, and there's not that much loss.  A piece 
of glossy white card would be even better, and as big as you feel is practical 
(bigger equals softer (no funny remarks, now)).  Good luck.
 
Pat

hi all!

2001-05-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl


For near subjects I've not used a soft box.
While the lighting is nice, the power consumption
is significant.  My compromise is to use a wide-
angle diffuser to scatter the light a bit more.  Even
without something to reflect off of, it still
reduces the harsh shadow lines but keeps power
consumption modest.

jmho,

Collin

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re: my first published photo!

2001-05-02 Thread Pat White




Frits and Lasse asked about the prize for the Newton contest.  First 
prize is Newton's big book, Sumo, while second prize is 4 "monographs of the 
grand masters".  They haven't arrived so far, but I expect to see them any 
day now.  Third prize (awarded to three people) is a copy for each of 
Newton's "Works".  For me, the recognition is the big prize.  As you 
can imagine, I've got quite a few copies of the magazine.
 
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Re: thinking about getting MZ-5N, but have a lot of manual lenses

Recently Frank Wajer wrote:
> 
> K 28mm f3.5
> M 50mm f1.7
> M 100mm f4.0 macro
> K 135mm f2.5
> A 35-105mm f3.5
> 
> What would be a nice lens to get with the MZ-5N? The standard zooms like
> 28-70 or 35-80 overlap with the lenses I have, so ???

Well, a 28-80 zoom is actually missing, but what would be even better is
the new FA 24-90/3,5-4,5.  The new FA 28-105/3,2-4,5 would also be nice,
and would free up the funds tied up by the A 35-105/3,5.

Of course, these are new lenses (maybe not even for sale everywhere yet).
If you need something more "real", why not the FA* 24/2.0 AL?

Cheers,
Boz

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Re: 24mm/2.8 suggestions

2001-05-02 Thread Aaron Reynolds


I own the Sigma 24mm f2.8, and while it is quite sharp and has a stellar
minimum focussing distance, it is a little on the flarey side.  That
said, it is at least a pleasing flare. :)

I'm happy with it, enough that if I purchase another 24mm lens it'll be
when I can afford the FA* 24mm f2.0.

-Aaron

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I faced a similar dilemma recently in my desire to
supplement my primes with one decent consumer-level
zoom, for point & shoot purposes - the kind of
shooting I do with an Olympus Stylus (I know, apples
and oranges...). [Search for topics "A primes guy
seeks advice on a zoom" and "Tokina 28-80mm f/2.8 ATX
Pro and 28-70mm f/2.6-2.8 ATX Pro-II" in the find
window of the archives.] I have considered two fast
Tokinas - a 28-70 and a 28-80 - as well as the various
slower Pentax zooms (28-70/f4, 28-80, the two 28-105s,
and the forthcoming 24-90). If you can wait, I would
definitely lean toward the 24-90 based on speculation
and a little hearsay.

Myself, I happened across the site for Focus Camera
(focuscamera.com), where the older, heavier black FA
powerzoom 28-105 was selling for $255 - that's $100
below B&H. I just ordered it - model 27667. (Note,
there are TWO different Pentax 28-105s. Look here:
"http://www.pentax.com/products/lenses/lense_model.cfm?&lenseType=35mm&lenseSeries=FA&lenseModel=FA%2DZoom";
The older one, model 27667, has gotten great reviews,
but is large and heavy and has power zoom, which your
camera doesn't support. The newer, silver one, model
27678, is cheaper and lighter but optically not
reviewed as well.)
This $255 deal at Focus is still going while
supplies last. See here:
"http://focuscamera.com/cgi-local/frameph2.pl/%3Dpsl%3D12195132";
or use the links SLR SYSTEMS, and then click the
PENTAX logo. Dumb site overall.

Anyway, this seems like a great deal to me, based on
the lens's reputation. I will say that you might
consider whether you want something this large and
heavy for your camera and your particular needs. The
only way I can imagine that it is this cheap is that
they are trying to move some old stock with the
immanent arrival of the 24-90 - or they just plain
screwed-up and will send me the wrong one. We'll see.
My advice is to go the way I went, or if you can
afford $500 and can wait just a little while (adorama
and B&H may already have them, actually) for the 24-90
- go for it. If you really need the 2.8 speed, though
- that really changes the whole argument.

Incidentally, I don't know if I trust these Focus
guys. These bottom-dollar NYC dealers are scary. I
can recommend B&H, Adorama, Cameraworld, and KEH,
though.

Good luck!

Chaso

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Re: SMC-K Pentax 105mm f/2.8

2001-05-02 Thread Doug Brewer


That looked to be just the lens for $450. At least that's how I read it.

Doug


At 6:46 PM -06004/30/01, William Robb brandished a favorite crayon and scribbled:
>They also have a used Pentax 6x7 with 90mm leaf for US$450.00.
>Someone should snap it up, thats a great rig to use.
>William Robb
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Re: OT:Web sight set up questions

2001-05-02 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

helen davis wrote:

> I've learned that "Shopping Cart" and "Card Service
> International" would bump the sight installation cost
> by $1200 and my monthly fees by $50.

Is webspace no longer a part of one's ISP agreement anymore!
I get 5megs of space w/ my ISP account. I purchased an additional
5megs for US$25/year

Check your ISP arrangments, you probably have space already
at your disposal. You just need an FTP program to place your 
material.

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thinking about getting MZ-5N, but have a lot of manual lenses

2001-05-02 Thread Frank Wajer


Hi,

I'm thinking about getting an MZ-5N, but I have a nice collection of
manual lenses:

Pentax MX
K 28mm f3.5
M 50mm f1.7
M 100mm f4.0 macro
K 135mm f2.5
A 35-105mm f3.5


What would be a nice lens to get with the MZ-5N? The standard zooms like
28-70 or 35-80 overlap with the lenses I have, so ???

bye,

Frank

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temperature range of MZ-5N

2001-05-02 Thread Frank Wajer


Hi,

this autumn I'll be going to Nepal and I'll be climbing up to Kala Patar
(5500m/18000ft high) with expected temperatures around
-10 to 0 degrees Celsius.
Anyone know if the MZ-5N will work at these temperatures?
I also have an MX, maybe its save to take that just in case.

Frank

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Re: SMC-FA 1.4/50 vs. 1.7/50

2001-05-02 Thread Mark Roberts

John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>When my A50/1.7 aperture got stuck, it was because one of the metal
>tabs inside the aperture ring, at the A button, had come loose. This
>loose piece of metal prevented the ring from turning through all the
>stops. So I removed the offending piece of metal, and now the aperture
>works fine.

This seems to be a common problem with A-series lenses (at least the 50/1.7 and
50/1.4) and happens because they cheaped out and attached thos springs by
molding plastic stubs through their mounting holes instead of using screws. I've
repaired a couple by drilling a hole in the appropriate spot and reattaching the
spring with a very small screw (still had to file down the head of the screw a
little bit for clearance). Definitely a case in which the use of plastic was
demonstrably inferior to metal.
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May PUG


Wow, what a great collection of images. I found an incredible about of
them extraordinary. Below are my favorites, in no particular order:

" Right Margin, Paris, 1998 " by  Juan Buhler (nice composition)
" Daniil. Study Of Character " by  Alexey Tikhonov (wow)
" From the Mont-Blanc summit " by  Yves Caudano (beauty)
" Copper Seas " by  Brian Campbell (Is you horizon a bit unlevel?)
" Tulip Fields " by  Cameron Hood (simply outstanding)
" The Bench " by  Cyril Marion (background looks good a bit blurred)
" CreaseCam 1 " by  Chris Mitchell (very creative, nice effect!)

You can probably tell that I lean towards B&W and landscapes ...
Norm




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PUG commentary: Rebecca Lane


Rebecca Lane, "Ouch!"
You have managed to capture what was apparently a significant moment in
this event and an expressive response from the offended party, who was
apparently kicked in the stomach or thereabouts. That's a good start. As
I think you realize, the picture is a bit "soft:" It lacks sharpeness
and definition. This could be the result of an incorrectly focused lens
(whether it be manual or autofocus), camera shake, or simply a bad scan.
Without a lot of evidence to to go on, I'd say it's the lens focus in
this case. It appears that it may have been focused at a distance
shorter than the closest fighter. The electronic flash pretty much rules
out camera shake, since flash duration is short enough to overcome a bit
of the jitters. In terms of composition, the photo would have been more
effective and informative if you could have positioned yourself around
to the left, say about 90 degrees counterclockwise from where you were.
Then you would have captured the response and the impact. It would also
have framed up a bit nicer, I believe. The background may even have been
improved, since it would have been filled with the other contestants.
It's always a good idea to plan your vantage point as carefully as
possible and consider what both the subject and the background will look
like. I'm not fond of electronic flash lighting for this type of shot
both because of the way the foreground blows out and the background
lighting falls off. If you could have bounced it off a ceiling or
reflector it would have been better. You might also consider using
high-speed black and white film and available light. In typical
gymnasium lighting, you can usually shoot at 1/250 second with 3200 asa
BW film. You might even be able to achieve 1/500 with a fast lens set at
an aperture of f4 or so. You'll need some depth of field, even if the
contestants are equidistant from the lens. In summary, a good first
effort. 
Paul Stenquist
(My other commentaries will be posted ASAP)
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Re: unsolicited PUG comment

Thanks for the kind words Daphne. You should try B&W, great medium. Also,
any comments, be it negative or positive, are always appreciated by me...
Norm

Daphne wrote:

> can I still offer one even though I'm no 'appointed commentator' ?
>
> well it isnt really a comment, i just wanted to voice out my admiration
> for the two symmetrical formal B&W's - Sid's 'Tree' and Norm's
> 'Serenity' - just my kinda pics, and they got me reconsidering B&W
> photography.. (even though got no darkroom).can I wallpaper them ?

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Re: Subject: Re: SMC-FA 1.4/50 vs. 1.7/50

2001-05-02 Thread Martin Trautmann

On Wed 2001-05-02 (13:24), Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
> John Mustarde wrote:
> 
> "But, unfortunately I never got the A electrical contacts back into
> place, so now my A 50/1.7 is an M 50/1.7."
> 
> John, would you mind explaining to me the difference between the M and the
> A? (I have an A)...

A is for automatic aperture - resulting in automatic program, when you use
automatic time as well.

Regards
Martin
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Re: SMC-K Pentax 105mm f/2.8

aaahhhggg  STOP TEMPTING ME

William Robb wrote:

> They also have a used Pentax 6x7 with 90mm leaf for US$450.00.
> Someone should snap it up, thats a great rig to use.
> William Robb

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pdml@pdml.net

I use Sistan on anything I want to last. I'll let you know in 25yrs. how
it's working :)
Norm

William Johnson wrote:

> I have the first half of the article in front of me
> (not sure if I ever read the second part) but he does
> state that using either selenium toner or AGFA Sistan
> seems to provide considerable protection.  He also
> states that AGFA paper is more susceptible to the
> problem than Kodak.
>
> I have AGFA RC prints hanging in a bright area of my
> home and also my office that have been  framed and
> displayed for 3-5 years.  No sign of deterioration,
> all have been treated in selenium.

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Agfa Arcus 1200 (was Agfa Duoscan T1200)

2001-05-02 Thread David A. Mann


Hi all,

 Thanks for the comments.

 I took a bit more of a look around the web today and found that the Duoscan 
T1200 only does 600x1200 dpi (I thought it was 1200 in both directions).  I'd 
really like at least 1200x1200.

 That's when I found Agfa's Arcus 1200 which is only slightly more expensive 
than the Duoscan, but has double the resolution (1200x2400dpi) and a higher 
bit-depth.  Does anyone have opinions to share on this one?

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: May PUG Gallery: William Parmley, Cy Galley, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., Norman Baugher

Thanks for the comments Maris. My processor in Brazil, a very well know 30 yr.
pro photographer, liked the photo as well but wasn't keen on the tree. His
thought was that it kind of just comes out of nowhere. I personally liked it
because it breaks up the balance and puts something in a boring sky. Oh well.
Also, thanks to Bill Robb for cleaning up the scan in Photoshop for me as
well...
Norm

IronWorks wrote:Norman Baugher's "Serenity"

> The description of "simplicity and peacefulness" are dead on and this
> picture works well.  The tonal contrasts of the picture have been brought
> out well, especially the shadows on the ground and on the stone wall.  The
> composure is very good, with the otherwise unbalancing tendency of a tree
> somehow framing the image well - the latticework of the crippled tree
> branches (it was good to leave out the trunk) contrasts well with the
> straight lines of the wall/fence and of the geometrical gate.  The photo
> gives the viewer an impression of "Serenity".
>
> My impressions only.
>
> Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

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Re: PUG: Larson, Althoff, Brendemuehl and Roberts.

2001-05-02 Thread Leon Altoff

On Tue, 1 May 2001 16:36:03 +0200, Lasse Karlsson wrote:

>Hi all,
> 
>These are my comments to the pictures that were picked out for me to comment on this 
>month.
>I hope I will do justice to the pictures, the techniques and the shooters in my 
>comments. (If not, I don't mind at all, the shooters or anyone disagreeing with me...)
>
>Leon Althoff: Clarrie's Crab
>
>I haven't done any real or advanced macro shooting myself, other than just trying it 
>out a couple of times. However I think that I realise how difficult it may be. In 
>this case I want to commend you for having achieved what you have in this case. Yet I 
>do not find the picture altogether successful (although you may have accomplished the 
>best any photographer may be able to in that shooting situation).
>There is definitely a lack of 3-dimensionality. The crab appears slightly amorph, you 
>can't really feel the structure of the crab. (I realise that it is shallow DOF and 
>the colors/lighting that won't allow for the "tentacles" and the shell to appear, but 
>still.)
>I was also asking myself whether something could have been done to the colours to 
>make the parts stand out more. But I do not know if this, in your opinion, would have 
>made it too unnatural for your intentions.
>Interesting picture though.

First off I will say that shooting things this small that only look any
good when they are in water is not easy, but you do get used to it
after a while.  They tend to be afraid of the light and run away very
quickly, which means you have to focus in low light.  The depth of
field is next to non existant - maybe 2 mm if you are lucky (and that
is fully closed down).  Changing the colours may help it as a work of
art, but that is not what this picture is for.

What would have been nice is if the crab had found a shell that gave
better definition of the animal against the shell.  However, I have no
control over the shell they select - I will be on the look out for a
better subject though.

Success of a picture is measured differently by different people. I
gave a copy of the picture to Clarrie who it is named after and he
loves it.  All those who share an interest in small marine life have
marvelled at it.  I am willing to admit it does not have huge artistic
merit, perhaps next month.

What does drive me on though is that the pictures of animals like this
used in books on the subject are really dreadful in a lot of cases. 
The picture of this crab is better than you will find in any book, and
people who write the books are getting to see my work and I hope will
include my pictures in future books.

Oh and there is no "h" in my name, but I will forgive you that.

 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
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RE: PUG

2001-05-02 Thread John Coyle

On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:58 PM, tom [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> This is truly a kick-ass PUG, and I commend everyone.
> 
> These are exceptional: 
> 

> - " Golden Rain " by  John Coyle, Australia 

> 
> tv

Thanks Tom - this has always been one of my (self-assessed) personal bests too!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

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Re: Favorite camera among all brands and types (a voting site)

2001-05-02 Thread Alan Chan


>Pentax hardly rates :-)

Could that be Pentax cameras were so good, no man-known-scale could really 
represent their true quality?

regards,
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Re: Give me a idea about 28-70

2001-05-02 Thread Alan Chan


I'd go for option 3.

regards,
Alan Chan

>Last year,I got MZ50 and 28-80 len,but I am't satisified the len, so i sold 
>out the len and want to buy a new 28-70(80) len.Several choices are in 
>front of me.but I am 't sure which one  fits  me. I want to select one that 
>has the greatest resolving power.thanks.
>1)SMC 28-70/4
>2)SMC 28-105
>3)wait SMC 24-90
>4)Sigma 28-70/2.8

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Re: May PUG

2001-05-02 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

I'd like to congratulate Dan on seeing that shot. I've walked past it
a thousand times and stupidly never seen it - a case of familiarity
breeding blindness, perhaps.

As for the perspective, well you'd need a much longer lens to bring
the clock tower further forward, you'd also need to be a little higher
up to bring them into a better balance, but unfortunately there's a
large building (County Hall) right behind where Dan was standing, and
it's pretty much impossible, I think.

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Wednesday, May 02, 2001, 12:53:06 AM, you wrote:

[...]

> Dan Motyola: Different Times.   Is a different perspective achievable?
> I'd like to try and make the clock tower a little larger in the frame,
> by using a longer focal length from a bit further back (and a bit
> higher off the ground).   I don't know if that's possible, though.

[...]

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