Centon K100 and other k1000 clones
On one trip to Britain, I spent some time in the Jessops in Bournemouth. The prices on used SLRs looked pretty good compared to the U.S., and I was shopping for my wife. The salesman tried to talk me into a Centon 35-70 lens in K mount. It's Jessops' brand, but I don't know who made it. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
I know I would. I churn out an awful lot of work every week, and most of it never gets a remark from anyone. I've found out that doesn't mean it was ignored as being boring or uninteresting, just that most people didn't comment on it. When I do get comments they are either very favorable or very negative (sort of the nature of the business), but I appreciate them all because I know something I did struck a chord with someone, even if I don't agree with it. I think it's the nature of the creative process. If you put a lot of yourself into what you do, sometimes there's a need for a little something more than personal satisfaction. - Original Message - From: "Robert Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing > Dan Scott wrote: > > > > > > > >What do you learn when your photo is ignored? Is there a way that > > >you've found to interpret silence, especially silence on a mailing > > >list? > > > > > >-- > > >Shel Belinkoff > > > > You learn that your photo wasn't a big hit with anyone. > > But you do not learn whether it is just bland, boring and uninteresting, > or whether it really sucks. Don't you want to know? :) > > Bob > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
Joseph Tainter writes: > As for Shel's comment...when photographers or artists exhibit their > work, obviously they hope to direct attention to it. If you viscerally > dislike a photograph, just ignoring the submittal accomplishes a lot. > When one of my PUG submittals garners no comments, I learn something. If someone doesn't like a photo of mine I'd rather know about it, and be told why. The same goes if they like it. That's the only way I'll learn to make better photos. I'm neither sensitive nor politically correct so I can take as much as I can give :) I rarely get any feedback from my PUG images and I never know if that's because they suck, or because my style is so unique that noone appreciates it :) Keep in mind that we all have different tastes and if one of my landscapes gets assigned to a person who's more into candid portraiture, they might not appreciate it in the same way that I do (I take photos to please only myself - until money comes into the equation:). > This is not to say that positive comments for improvement should not be > directed to the individual. That's what the contact information is for. This is true, it may be more appropriate not to post comments in public but I'd leave that up to the individual. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG comment
" Ready for Action! " by Doug Tankersley, USA One of my favorites! Nice work Doug. I`ve tried many shots of Hibiscus, but have failed to capture the beauty of them as you have in that photo. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Unsolicted PUG comments: My Favorites
On Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:31 AM, Bob Poe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > I, too found this month's images to my liking. I > could say that about every month's PUG, so I thought I > may as well offer a few thoughts/feelings about how > some of them affected me: > "DAYDREAMER" by Amber Dayton. What is the nature of > this sad, intellegent being? Ms. Dayton records a > poignent moment of refection. > "NIGHT TRAIN" by John Mason. Everything comes > together, like a still in a film noir...the pool of > light framing the figures, and the way the figure on > the left cocks his head as if, perhaps questioning the > darkness beyond his vision. > "CARUCHAS" by Albano Garcia. The wide angle distortion > enhances the individual facial expressions. A fun > picture. > "GOLDEN RAIN" by John Coyle. The transluscent quality > of the light in this image make me glad to be alive. > "WOOD DUCK" by Steve Larson. To me, this is the most > "jewel" like image in this month's PUG. > Thanks for sharing these beautiful images, which > connect to me on so many levels. > Thanks Bob - to me this is a true use of the real meaning of the root of 'photo' 'graphy'. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gerald's crass comment....
jeepgirl wrote: > I > for one plan on being here till the day I die or the list shuts down... > Aren't you fellows lucky? :) > jeepin Angel Yep, we're lucky. But what's this "jeepin Angel" stuff. Does that mean you've reformed? Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A Source for a New LX
http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/mitsuba.txt -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
Dan Scott wrote: > > > > >What do you learn when your photo is ignored? Is there a way that > >you've found to interpret silence, especially silence on a mailing > >list? > > > >-- > >Shel Belinkoff > > You learn that your photo wasn't a big hit with anyone. But you do not learn whether it is just bland, boring and uninteresting, or whether it really sucks. Don't you want to know? :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Rollei 35
I just bought a Rollei 35 ( heresy!) off ebay with the Schneider lens ( 40mm F3.5 ). Based on the first roll. THIS LENS IS KILLER SHARP. No light falloff in the corners either. Neat little toy but scale focusing SUCKS. Three times I forgot to refocus. But when i did I had no problem "guesstimating" the range at all. Too bad pentax never tried making a camera of this type. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Kodak Film Extractor
Dymo Label tape works as well, for about a third the price. William Robb - Original Message - From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 4, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Kodak Film Extractor > Hi All, > > Just thought I'd let everyone know that I had one of those "wow, > this tool really works as advertised" moments.I was taking bulb > exposures of the meteor shower a few weeks back, and as I result, I had > a few of the camera-decided-to-rewind-mid-roll moments. > > Anyway, I usually just open the canister in the darkroom and > transfer the spool and film into a reloadable. This time, when I was > buying a few extra canisters at the local photo shop, I found a tool > called the "Kodak Film Extractor". To make a long story short- this > tool is awesome. Pulls the leader back out every time! I've added > this to my "gig bag" and would highly recommend it to others. Maybe > I'm an idiot for not knowing this existed. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My humble tribute to my LXen on the web, finally.
"Matamoros, Cesar A." wrote: > Now that I think of your LX #1, > how could you get rid of it? After > putting that page together and where > my #1 has been, I don't think I could > ever part with it. Hi ... I didn't have much attachment to that particular camera. The second one I owned had more pleasant memories associated with it, and, of course, the two new ones have been getting a pretty good work out. I like battle-scarred cameras, and those that have seen some use. The shot of your old one, with all the paint worn off, was great! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "ya can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself " - Rick Nelson - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Commentary, Gary L. Murphy
On Thu, 03 May 2001 23:52:26 -0400, PAUL STENQUIST wrote: >"Two Countries," Gary L. Murphy >it is, realistically, two worlds. I find that an intriguing >thought.Overall, a very nice rendering of a somewhat conventional scene. Thanks, Paul. Yup, there's always a trade off. :-) Actually, I learned alot from these series of shots. The next ones should be better. :-) Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: PUG Commentary, Gary L. Murphy
On Fri, 4 May 2001 23:17:24 +1000, Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote: >"It's not just two countries that this photo depicts, >it is, realistically, two worlds. I find that an intriguing >thought.Overall, a very nice rendering of a somewhat conventional scene." > >I agree totally with Paul's comments, I loved this shot! Thanks, Fairy! Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Unsolicted PUG comments: My Favorites
Bob Poe wrote: > "WOOD DUCK" by Steve Larson. To me, this is the most > "jewel" like image in this month's PUG. Bob, you`re too kind! Thanks for the kind words. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Paul"s Picture > Paul said: > Still waiting for the comment on mine for this month > :) > >OK, Paul, when I saw this, I thought snapshot, whose purpose was to record part of a holiday experience. When I looked a bit longer, it occured to me that the girlfriend is in a fairly intense concentration with her viewfinder. That seems to be what the subject is, but the lens isn't quite long enough (or is it the photographer who isn't quite close enough?) to make it clear. I won't try to second guess the alternatives, but to me I am left wanting to see more of her face, more of what she is looking at-the cause of her interest. It is not my nature to want to be frustrated, so I go on the the next image, and hope that next month the photographer will present a clearer expression. Happy trails...Bob > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG > Commentaries > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I wasn't trying to kill the commentary, just > suggesting a change. > > > > My concern is that by making someone "opt out" you > might completely > isolate > > them (even from the normal level of PUG > commentary), whereas someone > > "opting in" is signalling to the group that they > would like even more > > attention than usual (and are open to possibly > negative criticism). > > > > Also, I'm not clear how someone adding a request > for criticism to their > PUG > > submission letter dumps more work on Bill's > head-cut an paste of a block > of > > text is still just cut and past, right? > > > > Dan Scott > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chris wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Dan Scott wrote: > > > > > >> Why don't we do it the other way around? If I > recall correctly, the > > >> critics pretty much volunteered themselves--why > not let the people who > > >> want criticism volunteer to receive it? All > they would have to do is > > >> include an "I'd like criticism on this > submission" in the text of > > >> their PUG submission letter. > > > > > >If we're going to abandon the structured > comments, then the best way > would > > >be not to dump more work on Bill's head. We > could do it like we did > > >before this experiment. If something about a > piece really catches your > > >eye, comment about it. If, as a submitter, you > want your photo commented > > >on, send an e-mail to the list asking us to do > it, and I'm sure some > > >people would be happy to oblige. That's simple > enough, rigth? > > > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the > directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
Well, maybe, but that's only an assumption. Perhaps the photo was well liked by several people, but they just didn't comment. You can't learn anything from silence. Dan Scott wrote: > > > > >What do you learn when your photo is ignored? Is there a way that > >you've found to interpret silence, especially silence on a mailing > >list? > > > >-- > >Shel Belinkoff > > You learn that your photo wasn't a big hit with anyone. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
> >What do you learn when your photo is ignored? Is there a way that >you've found to interpret silence, especially silence on a mailing >list? > >-- >Shel Belinkoff You learn that your photo wasn't a big hit with anyone. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries
Hi, I think it would be a great shame if we lost the comments, i find them very well thought out and informative. Still waiting for the comment on mine for this month :) cya - Original Message - From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries > Hi Chris, > > I wasn't trying to kill the commentary, just suggesting a change. > > My concern is that by making someone "opt out" you might completely isolate > them (even from the normal level of PUG commentary), whereas someone > "opting in" is signalling to the group that they would like even more > attention than usual (and are open to possibly negative criticism). > > Also, I'm not clear how someone adding a request for criticism to their PUG > submission letter dumps more work on Bill's head-cut an paste of a block of > text is still just cut and past, right? > > Dan Scott > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chris wrote: > > >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Dan Scott wrote: > > > >> Why don't we do it the other way around? If I recall correctly, the > >> critics pretty much volunteered themselves--why not let the people who > >> want criticism volunteer to receive it? All they would have to do is > >> include an "I'd like criticism on this submission" in the text of > >> their PUG submission letter. > > > >If we're going to abandon the structured comments, then the best way would > >be not to dump more work on Bill's head. We could do it like we did > >before this experiment. If something about a piece really catches your > >eye, comment about it. If, as a submitter, you want your photo commented > >on, send an e-mail to the list asking us to do it, and I'm sure some > >people would be happy to oblige. That's simple enough, rigth? > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
Joseph Tainter said: > If you viscerally dislike a photograph, > just ignoring the submittal accomplishes > a lot. When one of my PUG submittals garners > no comments, I learn something. What do you learn when your photo is ignored? Is there a way that you've found to interpret silence, especially silence on a mailing list? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing
I enjoy PUG and am sorry to see the recent flame war. I don't know whether Shel's comment was part of the established PUG commentary, or a volunteered comment. Whichever, I feel that the PUG commentary should be discontinued. It will always have the potential to generate this stuff. As for Shel's comment...when photographers or artists exhibit their work, obviously they hope to direct attention to it. If you viscerally dislike a photograph, just ignoring the submittal accomplishes a lot. When one of my PUG submittals garners no comments, I learn something. This is not to say that positive comments for improvement should not be directed to the individual. That's what the contact information is for. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: About PUG Commentaries
Rabid skunks, God bless 'em, promote alertness, increased cardio vascular fitness, and a general appreciation of the virtues of good running shoes. Dan Scott ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >So maybe those terse, harsh, >information-lacking comments are useful for something after all -- if for no >other reason than simply to keep me on my toes? > >Bill Peifer >Rochester, NY > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Sunpak 433d Flash for Pentax
Another eBay auction someone may be interested in (not my own): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234211362 Currently $24.99, no bids, two days to go. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens is this? (More)
Carlos Royo escribió: > No, it isn't. They are different optically, and the SMC-F has got an ED > (estra low dispersion) element. I meant EXTRA low dispersion. I have to check my messages for spelling mistakes before hitting the "send" button, or perhaps I have to become a better typist. -- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My humble tribute to my LXen on the web, finally.
Cesar: I enjoyed the little page. Your oldest LX is what I call "a beauty" : - ) Regards Albano (owner of two LXs) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Kodak Film Extractor
"Ryan K. Brooks" wrote: > > Maybe > I'm an idiot for not knowing this existed. Those of us in labs lose them thingies by the truckload. :) Non-lab people seem mezmerized by the fact that such a device exists. My fave is the one from Kaiser, but they all do the job (the Kaiser one is just smaller). Once I worked at a place that had an insane motorized one from Noritsu that apparently cost $3500 and worked about half as well as the plastic Kodak one. My boss there was always frustrated that I used the Kodak one over the Big Noritsu Machine and was also much faster with the plastic thing than any of the rest of the staff were with the machine. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: About PUG Commentaries
Hi, > That's pretty much exactly how I feel. > I still find it a bit hard to understand how someone could submit > an image to the PUG, but not want it to be discussed. I submitted the 2 I did (years ago) on the 'show me your photos' principle. Since I was allowing myself the luxury of mouthing off in public about the subject I figured I ought to show people what sort of photos I take. To me it helps form an opinion of the person that may not come through the posts, and adds/subtracts weight to what they write. I submitted 2 photos that I think are fairly representative and which I think are successful (although one of them got mangled in the jpegging), so feedback, good or bad, wouldn't have made a lot of difference to me. > But apparently > there *are* people who feel this way, so I'd support a 'no discussion' > request. I think the default should be to allow discussion, though. I'm surprised nobody's picked up on my suggestion in an earlier post that the reviewer should contact the reviewee and between them they should decide what general form, if any, the review should have. > And I think the discussion *should* stay on the PDML. For one thing > I want criticism from PDML members simply because I've come to know > a bit more about them from their other postings. Some people I agree > with; others, I know, have a significantly different worldview. That > gives me a little more context in which to evaluate their comments. Indeed. > And, dammit, if we *can't* talk about photographs made, by PDML > members, with (mostly) Pentax gear, then what is the point of the > group? Agreed, too much talk about hardware, not enough about photography and its barnacles (such as criticism). > More endless nitpicking about the smallest technical details, > moaning about the cameras that Pentax don't make, and speculations > about what might get released in the next lifetime. Yawn. Ever the optimist! Cheers, Bob > To repeat an epigram: Nice equipment. Now show me your photos. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Comment from a local photo developer.
I was at the photo store the other day when they were commenting on
a major developing job concerning numerous rolls taken at a charity event
this past weekend. I guess the organizers were promised a very quick
turnaround of the photos.
Anyway, the lady in charge of the lab asked if I had taken any of
the photos. I informed her that I was not involved. She looked at me and
said it was a shame because mine were the easiest photos to get right. She
was now looking at a lot of work to get all the work done. Something
occurred in the store and I did not persue the comment.
This morning as I was driving into work and looking at the road in
front of me and wondering with the lighting how I would compose and meter
the image, yes I was in a photographic mood, I thought about her comment. I
consider it high praise from her that she would comment as such when I have
heard her talk about professional photographers in the area and trying to
get their images right.
Sorry for the feel good for me post, but who else would understand
the subtle pride I felt upon receiving such praise (at least in my eyes).
Happy shooting, I will be in New Orleans for the Jazz &
Heritage Festival for the weekend trying for the same. The LX will be my
main and the Super Program as a backup, no flash.
Enjoy,
César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida
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Re: What lens is this? (More)
Joseph Tainter wrote: > > Okay, I checked Boz's site and see that the 70-210 F4-5.6 Takumar F > Autofocus did not have SMC coating. > > Does anyone know whether it was otherwise the same optically as the SMC > F 70-210 Autofocus? > No, it isn't. They are different optically, and the SMC-F has got an ED (estra low dispersion) element. It is a much better performer. -- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #695
In a message dated 4/5/01 6:07:55 pm, you wrote: <> The only affiliation is that Big J are the UK importers, under that brand name. See also "Phenix" (sic). In rather the same way that Chinon was "affiliated" to Dixons. Chinons always had a lot more going for them than Centon ever had. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: About PUG Commentaries
Glenn wrote: > I recieved a harsh criticism on my submission to the most recent > PUG. Oh, it was politely phrased, but it was still harsh. You know > what? I'd still like to see the PUG commentaries continue Hi Glenn, I couldn't agree more. I'd also like to see the commentaries continue. But in terms of what constitutes a harsh review, perhaps we need a little perspective here in order to calibrate our "harshness" scale. I recall from a few months ago that several folks were getting comments off-list from someone with the e-mail account name of Versal Cross. Some of these comments were pretty terse and a bit over-the-top, and that's putting it mildly. This fellow (?) had sent me comments off-list on a couple of my submissions: one month the comment was pretty direct and pretty useful, but the following month, the comment was something like, "The astronomy lesson does not rescue an otherwise dull photo." Well, you certainly can't complain about that comment not being direct! Could you call it harsh? Maybe. Might even say "crucified on the Versal Cross". :-) But could you call it useful? At first I didn't think it was useful at all, especially since I had gotten a lot of additional comments off-list asking me about some of the technical details of setting up a shot like that particular one. (Turns out it's not all that hard.) But I guess in retrospect, even this terse and unfavorable comment was actually useful. When I'm trying to compose images of night sky scenes now, I often ask myself, "What could I do to a shot like this in order to convey to even a viewer like VC a sense of what I see when I look up at the night sky?" So maybe those terse, harsh, information-lacking comments are useful for something after all -- if for no other reason than simply to keep me on my toes? Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Kodak Film Extractor
Hi All, Just thought I'd let everyone know that I had one of those "wow, this tool really works as advertised" moments.I was taking bulb exposures of the meteor shower a few weeks back, and as I result, I had a few of the camera-decided-to-rewind-mid-roll moments. Anyway, I usually just open the canister in the darkroom and transfer the spool and film into a reloadable. This time, when I was buying a few extra canisters at the local photo shop, I found a tool called the "Kodak Film Extractor". To make a long story short- this tool is awesome. Pulls the leader back out every time! I've added this to my "gig bag" and would highly recommend it to others. Maybe I'm an idiot for not knowing this existed. fyi, Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=113369 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Glenn's Critique "Dilemma" :^)
!8^) when all else fails - fall back on "FoundView" as I did w/ my hack job on little birdies! ( ... best left to Mark, who has the proper tools!;^) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: About PUG Commentaries
"D. Glenn Arthur Jr." wrote: > > I recieved a harsh criticism on my submission to the most recent > PUG. Oh, it was politely phrased, but it was still harsh. You > know what? I'd still like to see the PUG commentaries continue. > I don't think we _need_ a formal system for comments and ciriticism, > but I'll say this: it does make sure that every darned photo gets > talked about. In the past, I've submitted photos that have gotten > praise and ones that have gotten no reaction at all. It would have > been nice to have at least some idea what people thought of those. That's pretty much exactly how I feel. I still find it a bit hard to understand how someone could submit an image to the PUG, but not want it to be discussed. But apparently there *are* people who feel this way, so I'd support a 'no discussion' request. I think the default should be to allow discussion, though. And I think the discussion *should* stay on the PDML. For one thing I want criticism from PDML members simply because I've come to know a bit more about them from their other postings. Some people I agree with; others, I know, have a significantly different worldview. That gives me a little more context in which to evaluate their comments. And, dammit, if we *can't* talk about photographs made, by PDML members, with (mostly) Pentax gear, then what is the point of the group? More endless nitpicking about the smallest technical details, moaning about the cameras that Pentax don't make, and speculations about what might get released in the next lifetime. Yawn. To repeat an epigram: Nice equipment. Now show me your photos. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
>It's been two months since I sold an item on eBay and >I got No Payment yet. I'm sure I never will from that >auction. So hears my question, If I leave negative >feedback, what stops him from doing the same and >ruining my perfect record? And if that's the case, >what good is the feedback forum anyway. I think you should email that person one more time before leaving a -ve feedback. After that, you should file a report to eBay so you don't have to pay the ad fee because you have never received the money. I do not know if eBay can do anything about the -ve feedback. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
>Are you sure that you can leave feedback after that time? >I guess, there's still the time limit after which you can't give any more >feedback. I think the limit is 90 days. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Centon K100 and other k1000 clones
Interesting. Who thinks that standard lens that comes with the camera has a strange resemblence to the M 50mm F1.7? Todd At 12:48 PM 5/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Here's one K1000 clone... >http://www.mingca.com/ >Hit Products, then Cameras, then choose from the two cameras. > >Paul M. Provencher >(ppro) > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Commentaries & the Pub Atmosphere
I have watched the furror over the critiques. Not being honest and just saying nice things is counter productive. The shooter will keep using the same poor technique unless someone is honest and tells them that there is a better way. It is sort of like telling a math student that 2 times 3 is 7 is ok just so you don't hurt the student's feelings. I realize that there is a knack in telling someone that their picture is poor without offending them but I also realize that unless they are told that next month's picture will be no better. If you post and want to grow your photo skills, then making suggestions to improve is the only way that you or I will lift outselves out of the amatuer catagory. Obviously, some of our critiquers need some experience in making comments BUT our critiques of the critiquers need to be polite and positive comments for them to improve. Looks like it should be a two-way street. - Old Math teacher. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Unsolicted PUG comments: My Favorites
Bob Poe wrote: "CARUCHAS" by Albano Garcia. The wide angle distortion enhances the individual facial expressions. A fun picture. Thanks for the comment, Bob albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: About PUG Commentaries
I recieved a harsh criticism on my submission to the most recent PUG. Oh, it was politely phrased, but it was still harsh. You know what? I'd still like to see the PUG commentaries continue. I don't think we _need_ a formal system for comments and ciriticism, but I'll say this: it does make sure that every darned photo gets talked about. In the past, I've submitted photos that have gotten praise and ones that have gotten no reaction at all. It would have been nice to have at least some idea what people thought of those. (Not that I can really say much about lack of comments, given how seldom I get around to posting my own reactions to others' work. My intentions are good, but I seldom find time. I've still got some notes from the April PUG lying around...) Well this way, I know I'll hear what at least one person thinks about my submission. And it's possible that the first critic's comment will spur someone who disagrees to post in response (I'm not thinking of my own photo here, but rather "Night Train", which I may or may not get around to commenting on, but which I'm sure I would _not_ have bothered to comment on were it not for the discussion about it). Worst case, I'll get a "What were you thinking? You can do better than this." Next-to-worst case, I'll get, "That sucked, and here's how you could have fixed it." Either of those can be useful, though uncomfortable. Best case, of course, is that I post some masterpiece that everyone would have talked about anyhow (I can dream), but somewhere in the middle are the comments that reassure me I did something right and maybe suggest a few things to work on, on photos that would otherwise have been overlooked simply because other photos outshone them and got more attention. -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: b/w prints on color paper
I haven't messed around too much with different B&W photo papers, the Polycontrast III does what I like so I use it. It seems to have a lot of punch when printed on with slightly overexposed negatives. I have used Ilford and don't care much for it, though I like the color of their cool tone paper. The Polymax RC paper is also a nice one, but I tend to stick to what I know hmm... I should try some new papers. Maybe someone else here can jump in and help you out with different papers to try, I'm afraid not much help :| Todd At 09:43 AM 5/4/01 +0800, you wrote: >I got that one, Todd. Thanks. I had mistaken that for >the Kodak Professional color paper that had been >advertised here as *the* paper for color prints. >Polycontrast III looks good with a slightly yellowish >white for highlights. Comparing that with the cheap >Fuji ones I got, it's heavenly... any other papers you >think I ought to try out? > >Kelvin > >--- Todd Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> different. On the Polycontrast III it says in light >> grey text: >> >> Kodak Professional >> PAPER·PAPIER·PAPEL > > > >__ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pug down?
I just used the link at the bottom of the message and it worked even for my feeble attempt. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "jeepgirl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: pug down? > is the pug down or do I just have a bad link stored? > JeepinAngel > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: About PUG Commentaries
Bill P wrote>> I like your story, and I like your suggestion. In my former life -- not as any sort of artist, but as a publishing academic in the physical sciences -- I got used to some occasionally biting reviews on research grants and journal manuscripts. But it made all of us in the group more careful researchers...<< (and more) Thanks Bill, your story sounds familiar too. Obviously I agree with what you're saying. I should have added to my commentary that I realize that the direct approach is not for everyone. I welcome the comments but I do understand that there are those who do not. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:06 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: About PUG Commentaries Paul Provencher wrote: > I think the decision to ditch the PUG commentary is premature. > Perhaps is should be sent to the recipient and they can decide if they > wish to share it with the group, although that would diminish its value > for the rest of us, it would "protect" the meek. Hi Paul, I like your story, and I like your suggestion. In my former life -- not as any sort of artist, but as a publishing academic in the physical sciences -- I got used to some occasionally biting reviews on research grants and journal manuscripts. But it made all of us in the group more careful researchers. As a graduate student, I had the fortune (sometimes good, sometimes bad) of working for a very critical and exacting research adviser. He was pretty brutal in his critiques of any of our written work or verbal presentations, and generally a jackass. His style didn't endear him to any of us, but it made us all much better writers and speakers. I don't shoot too many rolls of film, and most of what I shoot probably doesn't look too much different from the hundreds of properly exposed snapshots sitting under the counter at your nearest drugstore at any given moment in time. Nonetheless, I get an occasional shot that turns out especially nice, or especially interesting -- at least as far as I can tell. I'd like to learn what I need to do consistently to be able to get better shots more frequently. I'd like to know if I'm really on to something, or if I'm just fooling myself. I'd like to know if I have a better knack for some subject matter than for others. I'd certainly appreciate the direct and straight approach from somebody who professes to have the background and experience to comment from a technical, artistic, and/or commercial point of view. Sure it's subjective, but it's (hopefully) a subjective opinion from somebody with a greater exposure to this sort of thing than I have. I figure the reviewer is doing me a favor by sharing his/her opinions. I'm not asking, "What do you think as my friend?" I'm asking, "What do you think as someone with an appreciation for all the technical details of setting up a shot and making an image? What do you think as someone with an appreciation of the successful photographers who have tried to capture a similar idea or express a similar sentiment? Did I really miss the mark here? What might have made this a better shot?" If I've done something correctly, that's always nice to hear, but if I want to improve, I need to hear about the details I may have missed or the things I may have done wrong. By all means, take the gloves off and tell me what you really think! Now I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who'd rather not subject their work to such intense scrutiny, and we should certainly respect their wishes. On the other hand, I'd hate to think we'd get to the point where reviewers are afraid to be honest and forthright on account of possibly rubbing someone the wrong way. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: temperature range of MZ-5N (OT)
Quoth Fairy: > Todd wrote: > "- -10 to 0 degrees C isn't even cold. The camera will be fine." > > It's cold enough for me! There's no use if my camera's work, but my fingers > are frozen! That's actually one of the things I really like about the KX: I can work it with my winter gloves on. Sure, the Super Program is easy to use in aperture-priority or program mode, but seeing as most of my too-cold-to-want-to-take-my-gloves-off shooting has been in the dark where I'm trying to compensate for various odd light sources in the frame and such and using manual mode a lot, that nice shutter speed dial on the top of the KX winds up being a serious advantage. (The speed buttons on the Super Program are significantly smaller than the tips of the fingers of my warm gloves.) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG request
Tonghang Zhou mentioned: > I see a camera basically > as a metering device. Not my H3, S1a, and H1a! ;-) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG request
Jon Hope explained: > >Where I disagree with Jon is on the > >notion that this has anything to do with modern, feature-full > >bodies. > > There have been that many animated discussions on this list about the evils > of modern cameras I thought I'd just get a small dig in. LOL Jon, I apologize for spoiling your joke by not connecting the smiley to the right part of your comment. Can I blame it on lack of sleep? (And maybe on the fact that I think of the Super Program as a "modern" camera?) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Criticism in the context of comments on my own photo (Re: May PUG Gallery: William Parmley, Cy Galley, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., Norman Baugher)
This is the way it should work. tv "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." wrote: > > "IronWorks" (Maris V. Lidaka) wrote: > > D. Glenn Arthur Jr's "My Neighbourhood's a Real Circus" > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG Criticism in the context of comments on my own photo (Re: May PUG Gallery: William Parmley, Cy Galley, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., Norman Baugher)
"IronWorks" (Maris V. Lidaka) wrote: > D. Glenn Arthur Jr's "My Neighbourhood's a Real Circus" > > The picture is interesting but it needs cohesion. It has sparks in the > literal sense but not in the emotional. The first thing that struck me was > the lack of focus, and the foggy tonality of the image. The sparking is > somewhat hidden, and frankly I didn't even notice it the first time I viewed > it - it does not draw the viewer's attention to it. The other items in the > picture are somewhat of a jumble - perhaps a larger frame (less cropping) > would have helped. I have seen much better from Glenn on the gallery. Ouch. Okay, in the context of negative comments, this one is an example of a splash of cold water in the face that serves a purpose. This image was not my best work, and I probably shouldn't have submitted it. I got wrapped up in the idea that I wanted to show an image of that particular event, rather than realistically evaluating whether the images I had were any good. No, that's not an attempt to make excuses -- I made a bad decision and am explaining how I did so, both to provide a "don't do this" example for anyone else who needs to learn from my mistake, and to make sure _I_ really understand what went wrong so I'll learn from my own mistake. What we have here illustrates the danger of an artist being his or her own editor. It's somewhat annoying to read "Your photo sucked", but it stings a lot more to read _how/why_ my photo sucked and have to realize the criticisms were spot-on. Here's what happened, as I perceive it: 1) I got hung up on the idea that I wanted to show an image from this particular evening, ignoring the fact that I didn't get any really great shots of it. It's a cool memory to me, but unless I manage to convey some of that in my photos, the photos only serve as a reminder to me, not as communication to anyone else. 2) I got hung up on the idea that I had to show the sparks, so I passed over some shots that may have worked better because they didn't have enough orange sparks in them. I could have just shown the flame of the torch, or even the trailer missing its front wheels. 3) I stayed perched in my window instead of going back downstairs and shooting from the sidewalk when they brought out the torch. 4) I botched the exposure. It was night, and there was this great contrast between the darkness and the sparks, but it's a brightly lit street, so it wasn't _that_ dark. I didn't get the picture I saw in my mind. I wanted enough light to see the people, and the all-important circus logo, but I guessed wrong on how much exposure compensation to use. The prints don't really look "nighttime" enough. (Though, come to think of it, I haven't compared the prints to the negs yet, so I don't know for sure whether that was my mistake or a "correction" by the printer. More likely my own error, but I should check just in case.) 5) I rushed the digital editing stage -- I'm not really all that good at getting good results from my scanner yet, and rushing things didn't help. I also didn't preview the image on different monitors. It looks somewhat less foggy on at least one of my machines. Taking the time to check it on more than one screen would have helped me see how far off I was. 6) I cropped too aggressively. When I crop for the web, I'm aiming for a compact image that shows as much of what I think is the important part of the image, as large as possible, in some small-ish number of bytes. The point of the PUG is to show off our images, not to apply them in some more utilitarian role. My usual approach was completely the wrong mindset for cropping a "show off my composition and image-making skills" photo. So basically, I made a few honest mistakes, made a few more mistakes I really shouldn't have made (due to rushing, laziness, not working in an appropriate paradigm), and got too wrapped up in the personal memory the image reminded me of instead of seeing and evaulating the photo itself, which led to the biggest mistake of all: posting an image with so many other problems instead of showing off one of my photos that's actually worth showing. I've felt inadequate in the past, when I've posted a photo that was pretty good for my skills at the time but not as good as what everyone else submitted, but this is the first time I've really felt that I've _screwed_up_. The final comment, "I have seen much better from Glenn on the gallery," drove that home. There's the glass of cold water in my face. I bear no ill will towards Ironworks, as it seems I needed waking up. The PUG is not a competition, but I bloody well ought to be able to at least keep up with my own darned self. In the next few months, I guess we'll all see just how well I learn from this uncomfortable lesson, eh? -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the di
Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries
I also still favor the assignments. Here's why... In the two months we've done it, I was assigned a number of photos I would not have commented on normally. I found it difficult to comment on those but I learned things from it anyway. 1. I really had to examine the image. It was easy to see things I didn't like in these cases. But as I looked and looked, I almost always found things I did like. I was able (I think) to get a sense of what the photographer saw. 2. Upon close examination I often saw techniques in practice. While the total image may not have turned me on, seeing the use of those techniques did. I realized many images deserve more than a cursory glance and a quick judgement. 3. When I had ideas of how to possibly improve on the image, cropping, etc., I then thought of several of my own images and learned that what I was suggesting to others, could apply equally well to some of my own work. If the group has considered the "experiment over", I'll not try to sway it. I did consider it highly beneficial though. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Frank Theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries > That's too bad. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind on this, > but I liked it for two reasons: > > 1. Personally, I wouldn't comment on images that don't do much for me. This > forces me to be critical of images that I might not otherwise comment on, > which I think in turn helps me with my critical skills (such as they are!). > > 2. It's good for me to see critique on my submissions, some of which might > escape comment because they are neither good enough or bad enough to garner > anyone's attention. I may or may not agree with the comments, but it's alway > helpful to hear what someone else thinks. > > Keep in mind as well. that the critique that brings this on was unsolicited in > any event, and most likely would have been made, regardless of whether our > "structured" critiques were in place or not. > > Like I said, I'm not trying to chance anyone's mind here, but I thought I'd > put in my two cents. > > regards, > frank > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My PUG assignment: Dombek, Smith, Sundstrom, Kanto
My assignment this month is to comment the shots of Ed Dombek, Mike Smith, Patti Sundstrom and Ayash Kanto. " Cherry Rooster " by Ed Dombek That's what I call a lucky shot. You've been able to catch a very quick movement and you have nicely put the subject not exactly in the center of the frame (even if you did it by cropping the print). I'm sure you couldn't in such a hurry, but I would have compensated the metering (+1 or +1,5 EV), the shadow are really dark and I barely see any detail of the plumage. " Sitting Pretty " by Mike Smith Pretty indeed (the squirrel...) but rather still. I would have avoided to place the eye of the subject in the center leaving so much room in the upper part of the frame. Maybe a little more of the trunk where the rodent sits would have made the difference. I find the clear branch in the background (the one that crosses the ears of the squirrel) a bit distracting, too. Anyway, I understand that shooting at little wild animals in their environment is rather difficult. I like the color rendition of the shot. " Buick Hood Ornament " by Patti Sundstrom, USA I like the colors of the shot and the composition, except for two details: the lower part of the windshield seems to be there by mistake (the reflex on the engine hood is enough to suggest its presence) and what appears to be like a wooden door on the background should have been more out of focus - hard to obtain with a 400 ISO film (the contrast of the colors is nice, though). Too bad the scan looks very poor on the screen. " Do Ants like Tap Water? " by Ayash Kanto Nice shot. I like the act of seeing and catching the moment, and the framing too. The shot looks soft, but it's probably a fault of the lens, used wide open. Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Centon K100 and other k1000 clones
Here's one K1000 clone... http://www.mingca.com/ Hit Products, then Cameras, then choose from the two cameras. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Terence Mac Goff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Centon K100 and other k1000 clones Just a quick one. I read recently here that there is a Chinese camera factory which bought out the pentax production line for the K1000 and now market it under a different brand. I didn't pass much heed to it at the time, but I was in my local Camera store yesterday, and saw a brand called Centon they had two models advertised, a K-Mount camera called a k100, and an OM mount camera called and X300. the k100 looked awfully like a k1000, except it had an all black finish. SoDoes anyone know who centon are? I know they are affiliated with Jessops in the UK (Large camera chain), but as the camera body was only about IR£90, which is extremely reasonable, its interesting. Any info or speculation would be welcome. Thanks in advance. T - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
I always warn them yes! I'll try to do the opposite. Thanks - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: Re: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7 > > > XOSNI wrote: > > > > I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my mini studio > > using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 with flash synchro speed > > of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It has to be a > > multifactorial cause, the relatively long exposure time (1/30) & the > > strobefiring duration. > > It has nothing to do with the 1/30 sync speed. Your flash fires for a > much shorter period of time than 1/30 of a second, so you are > effectively only exposing the film for less than 1/1000 of a second, > unless you have a large amount of other light (from powerful tungsten > lights or a window or something like that). > > The problem you are having is one of timing. The only thing to do about > it is watch the person that you are photographing and shoot after > they've blinked. :) > > Are you warning the subject that you are about to shoot or anything like > that? I find if people know that the picture is about to be taken they > blink for sure. > > -Aaron > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
pug down?
is the pug down or do I just have a bad link stored? JeepinAngel - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
Thank you Doug It seems that some people are natural born blinkers. Some are not. Anyways, I have another alomst off topic question: what difference would it make if I use the FP socket at 1/30 instead of the X ? - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7 > Rather than blame the equipment, I'd take a look at the > technique. > > Are you using a cable release? This will enable you to > move away from the viewfinder. Lots of people get > "nervous blinks" when a photographer gets behind a > camera, making it harder for you to get a clean shot. > (They also get CheeseFace, a related condition.) > > The other great reason for using a cable release is that > you never want to let the subject know when you are > going to press the shutter. Using any kind of remote is > better than having your finger poised over the shutter > release. I like to keep my shutter hand behind my back. > > If you are photographing a blinker, there are methods > for getting him/her to keep the eyes open: > > 1.) Have him close his eyes. When he reopens them, take > the shot. > > 2.) Have her follow your finger with her eyes. It makes > her concentrate on something other than anticipating > when the shutter is going to fire. A bonus is that you > can more easily center the eye this way, avoiding eyecut > > 3.) Set up the pose so that the subject is not looking > into the camera. This can be anything from a profile to > you putting your face next to the lens and having her > look at your nose. Note that you are to the side of the > camera, not behind it. > > 4.) Take more shots. Truly, your odds get better. > > I had a sitting once that I will never forget. The woman > was a blinker who also had one lazy eye. Her husband was > a one-expression man, dead straight into the lens, no > matter where I tried to get him to look. And then there > was their 200lb Akita, who was intensely interested in > every sound/smell/movement in the room. Sometimes at > night I can still hear myself repeating, "Okay, let's do > that again." > > Doug > > > > Quoting XOSNI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I > shoot in my mini studio > > using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 > with flash synchro speed > > of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It > has to be a > > multifactorial cause, the relatively long exposure > time (1/30) & the > > strobefiring duration. > > What is the solution? Do you think I can use the FP > mode with the strobe > > ata > > higher shutter speed (1/60)? > > I'm desperate! > > > > Xosni > > > > Ashwood Lake Photography > http://www.alphoto.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: question about new Pentax 24-90 zoom lens
Yes it stays - but if you focus at the short end and zoom to longer focal lengths you must refocus - this is normal. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Frank Wajer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 04. toukokuuta 2001 12:11 Aihe: questionm about new Pentax 24-90 zoom lens >Hi, > >anyone know if this lens stays focussed when zooming? > >Frank > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: No more PUG comments
Hi all, I've been following the "PUG comments" thread and would like to give my opinion. I consider Shel's critique was too hard. How can one call a photo 'amateurish' when nobody said the PUG was reserved to pros? Also, most things 'have been photographed thousands of times, rarely to any great effect'. You could said that about just any subject. Anybody can like or dislike any photo, and negative critiques are sometimes the most useful, but there's no need to use such harsh words IMO. I never thought that some people wouldn'like to have their photos commented, because really I like to, but it seems there are many who feel that way, and I respect them. So, perhaps Chris' idea is best: people who would like to know the members' opinion can state it in their posting, and let's assume the others just want to share their work but don't want any feedback. As for me, I will use the caption "Please comment - Only positive critiques are accepted" :) Luis __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: About PUG Commentaries
Steve wrote in part: > > Why not set up a photo.net critique/comment/"rating" system for each > image. This way, there's a greater chance that the average PDMLer will > sit back and comment while enjoying a frosty beverage on the first of > each month. > Hi Steve, Respectfully this idea is what I have come to dislike about Foto Forum and Online Photo Contest. The voting and tallying of results is virtually unrelated, allowing contibutors/non-contributors to skew things. IMO, both those sites are used as self-ego boosters. Get all your friends and family to vote/comment so you get the highest score. The results end up being meaningless, IMO. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Centon K100 and other k1000 clones
Just a quick one. I read recently here that there is a Chinese camera factory which bought out the pentax production line for the K1000 and now market it under a different brand. I didn't pass much heed to it at the time, but I was in my local Camera store yesterday, and saw a brand called Centon they had two models advertised, a K-Mount camera called a k100, and an OM mount camera called and X300. the k100 looked awfully like a k1000, except it had an all black finish. SoDoes anyone know who centon are? I know they are affiliated with Jessops in the UK (Large camera chain), but as the camera body was only about IR£90, which is extremely reasonable, its interesting. Any info or speculation would be welcome. Thanks in advance. T - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Canada expertise
"Alexandre A. P. Suaide" wrote: > > It is so scary > Did you try to ask if he knows his name, address, age? If he tells you his name, assure him that no one with that name works for Pentax and tell him that maybe he works for Canon. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
Xosni wrote: >I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my >mini studio using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 >with flash synchro speed of 1/30. Why do I always get these >blinking eyes? It has to be a multifactorial cause, the >relatively long exposure time (1/30) & the strobefiring >duration. >What is the solution? Do you think I can use the FP mode with >the strobe ata higher shutter speed (1/60)? >I'm desperate! If you're using studio strobes, they typically fire at 1/500th. Therefore, you're exposure is being made rather quickly (within that 1/30). I believe hot shoe flashes have an even shorter duration. I think you're best bet is to work on your timing. Shoot "after" your subject blinks. Better yet, prepare your subject for the photo. If they're holding their eyes open waiting for you to take the shot, they stand a large chance of blinking when you finally do. If you work with communicating how you shoot and coach your subject, then they can know to blink a second or two before you trigger the shutter release. Hope that helps, Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Canada expertise
It is so scary Did you try to ask if he knows his name, address, age? Alex herbet brasileiro wrote: > > A silly but scary episode: > I called Pentax Canada in Mississauga (near Toronto) > to ask a couple of questions about the MZ3. > > customer service - "...so you have a question about > the MZ3 camera body... I'll transfer your call to a > technician that will be able to answer more > appropriately." ... > technician - " ...what camera do you have?... MZ3? ... > sorry we have no camera with this name ... that might > be a Canon..." > Me, a little astonished with his conviction that my > camera was in fact a C - "...but I have it in > front of me and it says Pentax MZ3." > Technician doubting my sanity - "... where did you buy > that... we have a PZ3, the latest model MZ30, but no > MZ3!" > Me, still patient - "... ok, but you know the MZ5n, > don't you? The MZ3 is almost the same camera but with > a higher max. shutter speed and flash synch." > Technician, puzzled - "... hum... M...Z..5? Wait a > moment, I'll have to check..." > > I guess I'll be calling Vancouver for now on. > I wouldn't believe hadn't it happened to me personally > :) > Herbet. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- - Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Sao Paulo Phone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State UniversityICQ number: 78139605 - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: About PUG Commentaries
Not to beat a dead (high?) horse but by way of another example, perhaps ... I used to be in great shape (I am now verging on being "fat and bald") and ran with the junior varsity cross country team. I was no great feature of the team and did my best to avoid hurling my lunch during practice every day. I took the "No Pain" part of the "No Pain, No Gain" formula if you know what I mean. One day we were running short "loops" to improve our endurance. It was hot as hell. We ran along an abandoned railway bed (no ties or tracks, just cinder and ash), down a hill, around, and back up again to where we start. It sucked big time. It was hot. I was doing what I had to stay with the pack. I hated it. After about the third or fourth repetition (of the twenty we were slated to do) the assistant coach comes up to me and lets me have it. "What the hell are you doing?" More harangue, accusations of being a slouch, not trying hard enough, just marking time, etc., etc. He was pretty harsh. I was taken aback (he was always a really nice guy to me), humiliated (jeeze, the whole team heard him), insulted, and enraged. How dare he accuse me of being a lazy no good so and so. I'll show him that I'm giving my all... So on the next time around, I ran like my life depended on it. I just knew that by the time I got to the bottom of the big hill for the climb back to the start I would be so tired I would be hurling my guts in the bushes and everyone would see that he was being mean, rude, inconsiderate, and just plain evil. It was not to be. I left the rest of the team behind. Permanently. I made it back to the start alone, in front of the group by a wide margin, and felt no worse than I ever had taking it easy. I discovered that his abuse had resulted in the realization that I could do better than I had ever expected from myself. That was the last day I ran J.V. The next week I was moved to the Varsity team where I stayed for the next four years. When I graduated high school, the team had been undefeated for the entire time (and in fact that was the twelfth year undefeated). I had taken turns with two other guys on our team to win every race we ran, was ranked 12th in the state (Massachusetts) and got an athletic scholarship to Berkeley (I didn't go but that is another story). The nerve of that coach, insulting me, humiliating me, and for being so evil... Why couldn't he have just been nice? (Jim, if you are out there, thanks for being such a bastard that day.) I think the parallel is obvious here. We live in such a politically correct society today, that any cross word is grounds for war. I can't say that I condone rudeness and insensitivity but I do think directness and straight talk far outweighs pussyfooting around. I received great benefit from that harsh but well-deserved assault. Had that coach not taken the interest in showing me my own potential, I can't even say where I might be today. Still doing just enough so I don't risk a good puke in the bushes? Probably. I think the decision to ditch the PUG commentary is premature. Perhaps is should be sent to the recipient and they can decide if they wish to share it with the group, although that would diminish its value for the rest of us, it would "protect" the meek. Paul M. Provencher http://whitemetal.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
Exactly! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How about this: Wait until the last *hour* of the 90 day period (I've found > eBay times everything to the second. Although I haven't tested it with the > 90 day feedback limit, I'd bet it applies there as well.) That way they > won't find out about your feedback until after it's too late. Kinda like > snipe bidding ;) -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A toy to play with
Hi all My friendly distributor of all things Pentax (and Sigma) has been kind enough to let me play with a Sigma 70-200 EX F2.8 zoom for a few days. He is a nice chap. I ran off a roll of TMAX 100 at lunchtime, using it as a portrait lens. I did shoot a couple of other photographs with it, landscapes and candids of people having barbecues down by the river near work. I was going off to the trots tonight, so I thought that's be an interesting place to try it out. I think I got off about three frames with it. I'm used to using my 300/4 or A50 + AF1.7x TC for the harness racing at Gloucester Park. Those two cover most things I want to shoot. The 70-200 should have slotted in quite nicely, giving me the bottom end, the top end, and something I don't normally bother with, something in the middle. I found I was spending too much time zooming, and consequently missing the shot I wanted. It looks like I'll have to practice some more tomorrow. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it performs. Oh, I almost forgot. The Sigma 180/3.5 macro, the 70-200/2.8 EX and 300/4 APO all use the same diameter tripod collar thingy. This is a good thing [tm], because if you own two or more of these lenses you only need to carry around one tripod collar. Cheers Jon Relax! Take life as it comes, you can't chase the sun, you can't race the wind - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Canada expertise
herbet brasileiro wrote: > > A silly but scary episode: Yikes! Any idea of who you were talking with? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
-- Original Message -- >Actually, there is a way. Feedback can be left for up to 90 days. >I don't recall where on eBay I found this, but if you can find it, >wait until the 90th day and then leave the feedback. By then the >buyer will have probably forgotten about the incident, and IAC it >will be too late for a retaliatory response. Good idea. How about this: Wait until the last *hour* of the 90 day period (I've found eBay times everything to the second. Although I haven't tested it with the 90 day feedback limit, I'd bet it applies there as well.) That way they won't find out about your feedback until after it's too late. Kinda like snipe bidding ;) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries
>Hi Chris, > >I wasn't trying to kill the commentary, just suggesting a change. > >My concern is that by making someone "opt out" you might completely isolate >them (even from the normal level of PUG commentary), whereas someone >"opting in" is signalling to the group that they would like even more >attention than usual (and are open to possibly negative criticism). > >Also, I'm not clear how someone adding a request for criticism to their PUG >submission letter dumps more work on Bill's head-cut an paste of a block of >text is still just cut and past, right? > >Dan Scott >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uhm. that would be "cut and paste" and "cut and paste" (was waiting for my first pot of Kenya to brew). Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
The sound of a Pentax 6X7 firing is a wondrous thing. All that noise starts in advance of the image actually being made. It might be possible that your subjects are experiencing a reflex (no pun intended) response to the camera firing and blink at the decisive moment. Try using mirror lock up (MLU) (if you have it) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: XOSNI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7 I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my mini studio using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 with flash synchro speed of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It has to be a multifactorial cause, the relatively long exposure time (1/30) & the strobefiring duration. What is the solution? Do you think I can use the FP mode with the strobe ata higher shutter speed (1/60)? I'm desperate! Xosni - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
Rather than blame the equipment, I'd take a look at the technique. Are you using a cable release? This will enable you to move away from the viewfinder. Lots of people get "nervous blinks" when a photographer gets behind a camera, making it harder for you to get a clean shot. (They also get CheeseFace, a related condition.) The other great reason for using a cable release is that you never want to let the subject know when you are going to press the shutter. Using any kind of remote is better than having your finger poised over the shutter release. I like to keep my shutter hand behind my back. If you are photographing a blinker, there are methods for getting him/her to keep the eyes open: 1.) Have him close his eyes. When he reopens them, take the shot. 2.) Have her follow your finger with her eyes. It makes her concentrate on something other than anticipating when the shutter is going to fire. A bonus is that you can more easily center the eye this way, avoiding eyecut 3.) Set up the pose so that the subject is not looking into the camera. This can be anything from a profile to you putting your face next to the lens and having her look at your nose. Note that you are to the side of the camera, not behind it. 4.) Take more shots. Truly, your odds get better. I had a sitting once that I will never forget. The woman was a blinker who also had one lazy eye. Her husband was a one-expression man, dead straight into the lens, no matter where I tried to get him to look. And then there was their 200lb Akita, who was intensely interested in every sound/smell/movement in the room. Sometimes at night I can still hear myself repeating, "Okay, let's do that again." Doug Quoting XOSNI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my mini studio > using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 with flash synchro speed > of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It has to be a > multifactorial cause, the relatively long exposure time (1/30) & the > strobefiring duration. > What is the solution? Do you think I can use the FP mode with the strobe > ata > higher shutter speed (1/60)? > I'm desperate! > > Xosni Ashwood Lake Photography http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
You have no protection from retaliatory feedback. You spin the wheel and you take your chances. I have dodged this problem by just chalking it up and not leaving feedback. The bum I was dealing with sent me a piece of roadside trash that was billed as "like new in box". I sent it back, nearly lost all my money and had a very unproductive phone conversation which revealed the true colors of the seller. I called it even when I got most of my money back (less shipping both ways). If you make a few more attempts to get your payment and get no response you can leave a non-paying bidder claim and then follow it up in a few days and get your final value fee back from e-Bay. Three of these and the bidder cannot bid for 30 days. I sent one bidder packing that way, who bid on three of my items and then backed out. In one fell swoop he was off for a month (on that user id anyway). use the system - it works. Sort of... ppro -Original Message- From: Ryan Charron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ebay Negative Feedback OT Hello, It's been two months since I sold an item on eBay and I got No Payment yet. I'm sure I never will from that auction. So hears my question, If I leave negative feedback, what stops him from doing the same and ruining my perfect record? And if that's the case, what good is the feedback forum anyway. Sincerely, Ryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax Canada expertise
A silly but scary episode: I called Pentax Canada in Mississauga (near Toronto) to ask a couple of questions about the MZ3. customer service - "...so you have a question about the MZ3 camera body... I'll transfer your call to a technician that will be able to answer more appropriately." ... technician - " ...what camera do you have?... MZ3? ... sorry we have no camera with this name ... that might be a Canon..." Me, a little astonished with his conviction that my camera was in fact a C - "...but I have it in front of me and it says Pentax MZ3." Technician doubting my sanity - "... where did you buy that... we have a PZ3, the latest model MZ30, but no MZ3!" Me, still patient - "... ok, but you know the MZ5n, don't you? The MZ3 is almost the same camera but with a higher max. shutter speed and flash synch." Technician, puzzled - "... hum... M...Z..5? Wait a moment, I'll have to check..." I guess I'll be calling Vancouver for now on. I wouldn't believe hadn't it happened to me personally :) Herbet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow This is where you can leave feedback for up to 90 days after an auction closes. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: About PUG Commentaries
Stan wrote:
"Yes Tanya - I wasn't very clear in my comments, but in a back-handed way it
was complimentary. I agree with Mark's comments (which I alluded to) about
the marvelous shot you had on your page recently. ..."
Thanks Stan, MUCH appreciated!!
"If you are so blessed as to
be able to produce such a wonderful image, why denigrate it? No work
involved you say? Just luck you say? Nonsense.
I will grant that sometimes people get lucky. But people who seem to be
consistently lucky probably have something else going for them, like talent.
It wasn't luck that had you recognize the moment, that caused you to compose
and frame the shot the way you did, that led you to pick that frame from
among the 35 others on the roll, . . .
You and Shel both seem to belong to the old Puritan School of Photography
and Life: "if you don't work hard for what you get, then what you get is
nothing but a gift from the devil! You must work!" {Corollary: if you use an
auto-focus lens, a built-in light meter, a motor drive, and/or color film
processed by someone else then you haven't worked hard enough to "deserve" a
good image.}"
Point taken, I just sometimes feel that with so much yet to learn, I don't
know that I could honestly view anything I have thus far produced as a true
"work of art". I guess I will soon learn to accept thse things as time
progresses and I thankyou for trying to teach me!
TTYL,
fairy.
(who REALLY needs some sleep now!)
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Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
Actually, there is a way. Feedback can be left for up to 90 days. I don't recall where on eBay I found this, but if you can find it, wait until the 90th day and then leave the feedback. By then the buyer will have probably forgotten about the incident, and IAC it will be too late for a retaliatory response. Mark Roberts wrote: > > Ryan Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >It's been two months since I sold an item on eBay and > >I got No Payment yet. I'm sure I never will from that > >auction. So hears my question, If I leave negative > >feedback, what stops him from doing the same and > >ruining my perfect record? > > Nothing. :( > I'd guess a good portion of the negative feedback on eBay is "revenge feedback" > from crooks. > It's happened to me (and, I'm sure, many others). See > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1208140754&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=980190775&indexURL=0&rd=1 > It turned out to be a photocopy (not an original as explicitly stated) and to be > lacking the exploded views and parts list (also explicitly stated). After trying > to work it out with the seller I just left negative feedback stating what > happened. Then they left negative feedback (spoiling my 100% perfect record) > stating "NO COMMENTS. BUT CUSTOMER." (Translation: We can't think of any > rebuttal to his claim against us so we're just going to spoil his feedback > record as revenge.") > > >And if that's the case, > >what good is the feedback forum anyway. > > You just have to read the feedback (from both parties) and decide for yourself > who's trustworthy, I suppose. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Gerald's crass comment....
Gerald also wrote: "I am probably as far as a man can be from being a disgusting pig. This is most offensive character attack I have ever experienced here. And it was uncalled for." Sorry Gerald, I forgot to respond to this in my last post. I just wanted to point out that I did not say that you WERE a "disgusting pig"- I said that you were acting like one when you posted that comment and there is a big difference! Although from the description that Shel wrote, I gotta wonder ;-) fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: About PUG Commentaries
2. By the way, when I did my first scan of the PUG thumbnails last night when I got home from my trip, the one that caught my eye first was Night Train. I like it. I like the reflected lights on the platform, I like the cocked head of the one looking down the track, the general mood. I agree. In fact it was the first pic that called my atention from the thumbnails. First I thought it was a night street scene with the silouetes coming to the camera, but when I enlarged the pic discovered they were in a train station taken from the back. I liked the pic either. It happens a lot to me with thumbnails. I think they are one thing, and when I saw the full-size, it's another thing. I like the picture, and it's the kind of night photos I will try to start doing with my incoming Super Program. Risking a LX here in Buenos Aires at night is suicidal (I did it a pair of times, but I don't want to tempt the luck anymore). Regarding the fact of facing the subject, I'm very shy, and I lost some pics because I don't "have the balls" to face the people. I know it's a thing I have to beat. But in fact, it's possible the author liked the "from the back" point of view, maybe trying the viewer to share the feeling of being waiting for the train. Who knows? Just the author. Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: Gerald's crass comment....
Treena wrote: "I ... respectfully disagree. I took that comment in a humorous manner as his way of making a point. Reminds me of a rather colorful relative, actually. I basically got a chuckle out of it and went on. There's been worse posted on the PDML, and I'm sure in the future I'll be responsible for some of it. :) I didn't really have a problem with it." Fair enough, Treena! :-) I guess it was the context that really annoyed me mostI just don't us to be made to feel like this is a "boys club" as photography already generally is in everyday life. Sure sexist jokes can be funny, but really do we all need to be reminded about this type of stuff here? .Ah, anyways, I don't want to digress even further here, and it is late in these parts so I won't go into it any more, let's just agree to disagree and leave it at thatUs girls gotta stick together you know! heehee ;-) Chris wrote: "I'll have you know that that is an extremely rude and insensitive comment. I know a lot of very polite and friendly drunks who talk about non-sexual subjects. So there!" Really? Not in this hemisphere! If you can even find a drunk that CAN talk in the pubs in outback Australia (where I am so lucky to be located), he/she will be doing one of a number of things: 1. Trying to bum a cigarette from you or asking you for a dollar to add to the one he/she already has so as to buy another beer. 2. Talking about football or saying "show us yer tits!", "wanna root?" (Aussie colloquialisms, not my words!) 3. Grabbing said "tits" or getting a "handful of arse". Needless to say, I don't go to the pub much these days 8-D Gerald wrote: "Fairy, I truly am sorry you were offended by my joke." H(in my best impersonation of my mother voice): You are forgiven, JUST this once! ;-) "Seriously, Tanya, you are right about one thing, this isn't a pub (though the blood alcohol content of some posters might lead one to think that), but at the same time this is also not a monastery. And certainly I hope you don't think my comment was directed at you personally or as any general attack on females. " Of course I know this place is not a monastery Gerald, I mean geez, I have had people emailing me asking what colour sarong I am wearing on any given day! I also know that you were not directing that comment towards me or "as a general attack on females" and that it was meant as tongue-in-cheek. I just felt that it was used out of context and was something that was totally unnecessary. I mean here we are trying to put a point across about respecting each other and considering peoples' feelings when a comment such as that is posted?!? (And I did say WE as there are more than just myself who are posting on "my side of the fence" - Tom C, for example). "It is you, not "we", who is talking about tact and consideration on this thread. I started this thread as a defense of not needing to care much about tact and consideration with PUG comments. After having read other's viewpoints on it, I still hold the same opinion. Certainly some folks are more graceful with criticism than others, but that shouldn't mean the blunt person's thoughts are no less valid than yours, their character no more a target of attack than yours, and their right to speak openly and freely no more impugnable than yours." I do not know WHERE the idea that I feel that my thoughts are more valid than somebody elses just because I may choose to endow them with a little tact could have possibly been conveyed. I have never, and will never lay claim to such a fact. Actually , I feel that MY offering a genuine technical critique of anyone's work would be TOTALLY invalid, as I am too inexperienced and lacking in technical knowledge to offer anything that they probably wouldn't already know, and probably better than I. I have never alluded that Shel's comments (or anybody elses for that matter) were less valid than mine, that he deserves an attack of character more than I would or that he has less of a right to speak freely than I do. I am totally dumbfounded by the thought. Shel obviously has many years of training and experience and his comments would obviously be taken very seriously and with deep consideration, and this is my point exactly. He is obviously well respected and as such, being just a little more subtle,would ensure that he is continued to be and that people do welcome his thoughts and appreciate his taking the time to partake in sharing his knowledge with them. He has the opportunity to pass on his great eye and talent in a way that truly can inspire and encourage people rather than deflate and discourage them, I just don't see why it is so hard to do this. I'd be truly honoured and humbled to be in such a position. Aaack, what's a little water under the bridge, hope we can all be friends again after all is said and done here! (*smiles sweetly through her eyelashes, as the introduction of Louis Armstrong's "What A Wonderful
Re: Why wives can't trust their cheatin' husbands
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Scene from work, this morning: That's funny. When I buy stuff it's either shipped to where I work or to my buddy McLaren's place, to avoid...uh...incidents. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: blinking eyes with Pentax 6x7
XOSNI wrote: > > I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my mini studio > using a strobe & flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 with flash synchro speed > of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It has to be a > multifactorial cause, the relatively long exposure time (1/30) & the > strobefiring duration. It has nothing to do with the 1/30 sync speed. Your flash fires for a much shorter period of time than 1/30 of a second, so you are effectively only exposing the film for less than 1/1000 of a second, unless you have a large amount of other light (from powerful tungsten lights or a window or something like that). The problem you are having is one of timing. The only thing to do about it is watch the person that you are photographing and shoot after they've blinked. :) Are you warning the subject that you are about to shoot or anything like that? I find if people know that the picture is about to be taken they blink for sure. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
Ryan: There's nothing preventing him from sending negative feedback about you. Comments should be explained and you have a chance to offer an explanation that gets attached to the negative feedback. A deadbeat buyer is a deadbeat buyer and should be noted accordingly. Have you contacted the buyer directly and attempted to clear the situation? I'm presuming you have. All you can really do is document, document, document. I had a miscommunication way back with a seller with e-mails that didn't get through for some reason and they left feedback (negative) on me after only 7 days. Didn't hurt one bit and I responded with an explanation and asked Ebay to investigate the situation which eventually got cleared. My 2 cents worth. Good luck. Paul G.
Re: What lens is this?
My recommendation is to stay away from non-multicoated Pentax lenses. My experience is with Tak 135 2.5 bayonet. The lens performance was quite good for protraits and the like, but it was too flare-prone. Believe me it was sometimes VERY frustrating. Put the extra money for the SMC. It's worth every buck Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: On-line Albums
Jody If you register for a Hotmail account, you can register for a communities photo album (60MB free space). Here is the URL for my page: http://Communities.msn.ca/BirdMigrationRichmondBC It's ok for a start, but I hope to find a better host that give some freedom e.g. insert Metalinks. Currently MSN won't let me alter the Welcome Page. I'm not pleased with everything I have put in the album, but it was a way of showing friends and family whats around the Richmond Dike. Hope this helps. James Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "petit miam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: On-line Albums > I was wondering where I can find an on-line album to > perhaps display some of my photos publicly once I get > my internet connection set up. > > What ones do you all use? What are the merits and > demerits (can't think of the word)? Please let me know > pref. off list. > > Thanks, > Jody. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: PUG Commentary, Gary L. Murphy
Paul Stenquist wrote: "It's not just two countries that this photo depicts, it is, realistically, two worlds. I find that an intriguing thought.Overall, a very nice rendering of a somewhat conventional scene." I agree totally with Paul's comments, I loved this shot! fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Commentaries & the Pub Atmosphere
Recently Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I think the critiques are a BAD idea for the PUG. > > I have not volunteered to critique photos because I don't like it and I don't want >to critique photos that don't move me. > > I would like to respectfully, but strongly, disagree. I disagree too. I do not submit to the PUG because I shoot almost exclusively slides, and I have no access to a slide scanner (actually, since about one week I do, so maybe I will participate now too). However, if I did submit, I would fully expect to hear from people who can help me improve my skills. I would be happy to receive positive comments, I would be happy to receive constructive comments, and I would be unhappy but not offended to receive pure negative comments. Comments which are just mean would ruin my mood for a few hours, but I'll get over it. So, in short, I find commenting on the PUG to be a good idea, especially if you attempt to show in your comments what exactly is bad and how it can be done better. Still related to this topic, I find that PUG comments do not belong to the PDML. If we have chosen to have the PUG as a separate (Web) site, then comments should also belong there. I know that this means a lot work for the PUG meisters, so I will not insist on voting the comments away from the PDML. But for someone who is not a member of the PDML but looks at the PUG, he/she has no idea that photos get commented, or at least cannot read comments on photos other than his/her own. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: About PUG Commentaries
I've been following these recent discussions very loosely, so please forgive me if similar comments and observations have already been made. First, I enjoy reading and receiving comments and critiques, and not just of my images. However, it seems that each month there's usually only a very small percentage that regularly and consistently receive comments. The PUG maintainers have tried to "even out" the playing field by requesting that certain commentators comment on a group of three or four images. While this helps, I think there may be a better solution. Why not set up a photo.net critique/comment/"rating" system for each image. This way, there's a greater chance that the average PDMLer will sit back and comment while enjoying a frosty beverage on the first of each month. That said, I realize this would be a large undertaking for such a small site. However, if this is something that everyone feels is fair, or at least an improvement over the current system, I'm sure we can pool resources to implement this. Respectfully (and possibly redundantly), Steve - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Commentaries & the Pub Atmosphere
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think the critiques are a BAD idea for the PUG. > I have not volunteered to critique photos because I don't like it and I don't want >to critique photos that don't move me. I would like to respectfully, but strongly, disagree. I know that I'm not a skilled photographer. I participate in the list and in the PUG to learn more about photography and, I hope, to gradually improve my skills and my eye. I appreciate ANY comments on my work, especially those that give suggestions on how I might improve it. I don't care how harsh or nasty the comments are, as long as they give me something to learn or something to think about. I would be quite sad to see PUG comments disappear, or to have them degenerate into a mutual admiration society exchange. By the way, I did not volunteer to be an official commentator because I know I am not qualified, and I eould hate to see three serious efforts relegated to comments from a hack like me. I do, however, comment on my favorites each month, because I think its important to tell people when you like what they have done, and because it forces me to carefully study each entry and try to articulate to myself which photos work for me and why. Dan -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Unsolicited May PUG Comments
Thanks for the nice comment. It was around 10am in the summer, but the interior was pretty dark. Very little light comes in since all the windows are painted in dark colors (I got several shots from that too, not yet scanned). The background behind the statues is blue painted and lighted so that's probably responsible for the blue predominance. Herbet. --- Ed Dombek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few more brief unsolicited comments on the May > PUG: > > "Breathless Cathedral" by Herbet Camerino Brasileiro > This is a truly great shot. I am curious as to what > time of day it was taken - is the bluish light > coming through glass or is the altar lit that way? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: PUG request
When I first started in 35mm photography I would write down all the information for each shot. I would then go over the nuances of the series of shots I took, and the single shots I took. It was a great learning tool. Now, I use program mode (when available) for metering and move the camera to meter on the pertinent parts of the picture. It is from this that I figure out how I must manipulate the camera to get the result I have pictured in my mind. When I don't have time to compose the shot I usually meter on a similar object and then use exposure compensation for the shots I will be taking. I use this most often in sports photography and predominantly use shutter priority for it. I had noticed how many people have exposure information for their PUG shots. I will someday submit a photo, but I would almost be assured that I will not post exposure information - unless I happen to wait until the MZ-S shows up . César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida > -Original Message- > From: Frits J. Wüthrich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: PUG request > > > Why would you record the exposure details? The same > > lighting and composition configuration will never occur > > again. Even for zone system, I don't record more than > > the +/- needed for development. > > (Unless of course I'm shooting a particular kind of > > test or experiment) > My point as well. I find it more interesting to find out if a correction > was > applied to the suggestion of the meter, and why. > > Frits > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gerald's crass comment....
Sounds like someone I dated once ... :) - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: Re: Gerald's crass comment > Indeed, Gerald is a crass son-of-bitch. He's self indulgent, drinks > too much, overcompensates by eating like a pig, and has the sexual > appetite of a rutting Elk. On top of that he's rude, boorish, > sometimes manic, sometimes depressive, and always difficult to deal > with. I can say this because I'm one of gerald's dearest friends > . > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: About PUG Commentaries
My father always preached to me, "The harder you work, the luckier you get."
Stan Halpin wrote:
> Yes Tanya - I wasn't very clear in my comments, but in a back-handed way it
> was complimentary. I agree with Mark's comments (which I alluded to) about
> the marvelous shot you had on your page recently. Your self-deprecating
> remark at the time about how little time/effort was involved made me want to
> thump you on the head (figuratively speaking). If you are so blessed as to
> be able to produce such a wonderful image, why denigrate it? No work
> involved you say? Just luck you say? Nonsense.
> I will grant that sometimes people get lucky. But people who seem to be
> consistently lucky probably have something else going for them, like talent.
> It wasn't luck that had you recognize the moment, that caused you to compose
> and frame the shot the way you did, that led you to pick that frame from
> among the 35 others on the roll, . . .
>
> You and Shel both seem to belong to the old Puritan School of Photography
> and Life: "if you don't work hard for what you get, then what you get is
> nothing but a gift from the devil! You must work!" {Corollary: if you use an
> auto-focus lens, a built-in light meter, a motor drive, and/or color film
> processed by someone else then you haven't worked hard enough to "deserve" a
> good image.}
>
> Stan
>
> > Stan wrote:
> >
> > "1. One part of the criticism I saw quoted was to the effect that it is
> > harder to take pictures like this that show peoples faces. Implied judgment
> > that harder is better. In this Shel is joining Tanya in a very strange world
> > view that equates quality of outcome to effort required. Remember Tanya's
> > reaction to Mark's positive judgment of her one portrait? He said: "you
> > could charge $500 for that one image . . .", she said "Oh, but I just took
> > that, it didn't take any time at all!" So what Shel? So what Tanya? I will
> > judge the image by what it does for me, thank you very much, not by what you
> > did or didn't do to put it in front of me. "
> >
> > Urrrm, thanks, Stan, I think?!? I guess I'll take that as a compliment (and
> > a wake up call) hehe8-)
> >
> > Tanya.
> >
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> >
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Re: May '01 Assignment: Bill Gekas, Fairy, William Johnson, Timo Hartikainen
Thanks for the comment Adelheid, Since the time I took the shot I've wondered myself whether including the whole head in the photo would have improved it or not. I'll try similar shots again sometime and see how they look :) Bill G. > > Bill Gekas: Wife with Fritz the Cat > > I like this picture very much. Both of your "victims" look attentive into > the camera, the angle is nice, coming from a bit below. The cat doesn't seem > upset only curious. The two are forming a diagonal line across the frame, so > the composition is good as well. I wonder though whether it would improve the > pic further if the head of your wife where complete ;-). > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ebay Negative Feedback OT
Ryan, Complain to ebay. I had it happen to me. The complaint must have been the 2nd or third on the bidder as ebay canceled their user ID. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It's been two months since I sold an item on eBay and I got No Payment yet. I'm sure I never will from that auction. So hears my question, If I leave negative feedback, what stops him from doing the same and ruining my perfect record? And if that's the case, what good is the feedback forum anyway. >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries
Hi Chris, I wasn't trying to kill the commentary, just suggesting a change. My concern is that by making someone "opt out" you might completely isolate them (even from the normal level of PUG commentary), whereas someone "opting in" is signalling to the group that they would like even more attention than usual (and are open to possibly negative criticism). Also, I'm not clear how someone adding a request for criticism to their PUG submission letter dumps more work on Bill's head-cut an paste of a block of text is still just cut and past, right? Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris wrote: >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Dan Scott wrote: > >> Why don't we do it the other way around? If I recall correctly, the >> critics pretty much volunteered themselves--why not let the people who >> want criticism volunteer to receive it? All they would have to do is >> include an "I'd like criticism on this submission" in the text of >> their PUG submission letter. > >If we're going to abandon the structured comments, then the best way would >be not to dump more work on Bill's head. We could do it like we did >before this experiment. If something about a piece really catches your >eye, comment about it. If, as a submitter, you want your photo commented >on, send an e-mail to the list asking us to do it, and I'm sure some >people would be happy to oblige. That's simple enough, rigth? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pug commentary
Bob Blakely wrote: > > This is why God made PhotoShop! Ever had the urge to touch it up? I have, but I've left it. There are more pressing things to do, and I'd probably end up rethinking so much of the shot that I'd wreck what I like about it. > BTW, I see Lady MacBeth with longish (but not too long - 1" from cuticle) > somewhat pointed (classy, but not macabre) nails the color of venous blood. > Positioning of the hand (and index finger) would be critical as you say. Well, her nails are stubby and chewed-upon. :) The touch looks gentle, but like she could dig into him and rip him apart in a second. At least, it does to me. > Hey, I better shut up. It's your shot and your imagination and I'm > intruding... Maybe we should have MacBeth as a PUG theme? :) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Re: No more PUG comments Was: Re: About PUG Commentaries
That's too bad. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind on this, but I liked it for two reasons: 1. Personally, I wouldn't comment on images that don't do much for me. This forces me to be critical of images that I might not otherwise comment on, which I think in turn helps me with my critical skills (such as they are!). 2. It's good for me to see critique on my submissions, some of which might escape comment because they are neither good enough or bad enough to garner anyone's attention. I may or may not agree with the comments, but it's alway helpful to hear what someone else thinks. Keep in mind as well. that the critique that brings this on was unsolicited in any event, and most likely would have been made, regardless of whether our "structured" critiques were in place or not. Like I said, I'm not trying to chance anyone's mind here, but I thought I'd put in my two cents. regards, frank Chris Brogden wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2001, Dan Scott wrote: > > > Why don't we do it the other way around? If I recall correctly, the > > critics pretty much volunteered themselves--why not let the people who > > want criticism volunteer to receive it? All they would have to do is > > include an "I'd like criticism on this submission" in the text of > > their PUG submission letter. > > If we're going to abandon the structured comments, then the best way would > be not to dump more work on Bill's head. We could do it like we did > before this experiment. If something about a piece really catches your > eye, comment about it. If, as a submitter, you want your photo commented > on, send an e-mail to the list asking us to do it, and I'm sure some > people would be happy to oblige. That's simple enough, rigth? > > Personally, I don't care whether we keep the structured comments or > not. I thought they might be a good way to get the list talking about > photographs instead of just equipment, and that they would show that yes, > people are looking at the photos. But if the people submitting photos > feel pressured because of the comments, and some commentators themselves > are feeling like it's a school assignment, then it's just not worth it. > > If it was just Shel's comments that bothered people, then we could > probably find some way around it. But since several people have come out > and said that they don't like the whole idea of commenting on photos that > were originally just meant to be displayed, then let's stop with the > comments and go back to the way it was before. I think the comments were > a fun experiment, but if it's not working out then it's a stupid thing to > divide the list over. I'm sure we can find other things to fight about > instead. > > So, beginning with the June PUG, I won't be coordinating the comments any > more. If you want to talk about any photos that catch your eye, feel free > to do so. If you want people to critique your photo, just ask the > list. Some people have mentioned that the idea of critiquing every photo > on the PUG violates its open nature, and I can see the point that they're > making. The point seems to be that the PUG is more of a place to share > photos that interest us, and that critiquing all of the photos is against > the open spirit of the PUG. So... less work for me. :) Consider the > experiment officially dead as of now. > > chris > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Boz's e-mail address
Couldn't stand the colours on Purple Turtle. I like Excite mail best. > There's always web-based mail. Purpleturtle.com, > for example, is > structured like hotmail but they donate 20% of their > advertising revenue > to sea turtle conservation. I'm sure there's other > good ones out there, > too. > chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: About PUG Commentaries
Hi, the reassignment might be more than Chris would want to get involved in, but not the emails between the reviewer and the cringing victim. All it requires from the evil sadist is a form letter along the lines of "I've been assigned to review your photo in this month's PUG. What do you hope to learn from the review? What were your intentions in taking the photograh? What do you hope to do with the photo? My preferred style of review is to [ tell the world you're an idiot and to recommend you never to pick up a camera again / promote you as a new Leonardo da Vinci even though this is your first roll of film / show off my knowledge of Art and disregard your photo entirely ]" The photographer then replies "Get thee behind me, Satan / Give it to me straight, big boy / Be gentle with me, lovebuns" (or all 3 if it's a Saturday night, and not necessarily in that order). --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, May 04, 2001, 4:41:43 AM, you wrote: > Too much work. > Paul > Bob Walkden wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to make a suggestion. >> >> When the reviewers have been assigned their photos to review they should mail >> 'their' photographers privately and ask them what, if anything, they want >> get out of the review. This should help the reviewers to pitch their comments >> at the appropriate level. If the reviewer feels unable to comply - perhaps the >> photographer wants unstinted praise and the photographer thinks the photos smell >> bad - then, again privately, perhaps they should ask to be reassigned. >> >> --- >> >> > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: No more PUG comments
On Friday, May 04, 2001 3:06 PM, Chris Brogden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I hope PDML members will still feel free to comment upon those submissions where the contributor has completed the 'Comments to' box. I have always found it useful to receive such comments, or indeed to notice that nobody thought one of mine was worth any comment at all! I do feel that Shel's original comments were robustly put, and I think I would have winced if they related to a picture of mine; however it would have certainly made me look again at my own criteria for deciding whether a picture is really worth submitting. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia > > So, beginning with the June PUG, I won't be coordinating the comments any > more. If you want to talk about any photos that catch your eye, feel free > to do so. If you want people to critique your photo, just ask the > list. Some people have mentioned that the idea of critiquing every photo > on the PUG violates its open nature, and I can see the point that they're > making. The point seems to be that the PUG is more of a place to share > photos that interest us, and that critiquing all of the photos is against > the open spirit of the PUG. So... less work for me. :) Consider the > experiment officially dead as of now. > > chris > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: No more PUG comments
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >... we've just discovered one > way *not* to comment on the PUG I think you are being a bit unfair to the project. I think it was a success. I think it's a matter of a small hump sending a big load into the ditch. Thanks to all the commentators form me too. It was interesting read. Jostein - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gallery Themes (PhT)
No, I was there for a year and it snowed only one day. The snow in town was gone by midday, but in Cashmere it hung around until after night-time. And the snow in ChCh usually makes the national news. I love snow anyway (I'm just a big kid). I biked 6km home while it was falling, and biked through it to work the next morning. Jody. > > Actually I have a really nice sunrise over > > snow photo taken when I was living in > Christchurch. It > > doesn't snow here though. > I hope you don't think that snow in Christchurch is > actually a regular > occurrence! > Cheers, > - Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
